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Motorcycle Forum / Country Specific / Australian Group / September 2008Psych student wonders how we tick!
Give this a go! Add aus.motorcycles as a group you are in! :) It taook me a lot less than 20 mins. ----------------8<--------------- Hi all, As part of my post graduate degree in psychology I am required to complete a research thesis. My thesis is looking at how various motorcycle riding behaviours (e.g., wearing protective gear, riding at night) are related to the risk of having an accident, as well as how riding behaviour and crash risk varies with age and sex. I am currently looking for Australian licensed motorcyclists to complete my confidential online survey at http://www.deakin.edu.au/psychology/research/motorcycling/ I would also really appreciate it if you could forward this email to everyone you know to help complete my research. Thanks Lauren Gook ----------------8<--------------- Cheers Goaty  Signature_--_|\ John Lamp - in beautiful downtown Highton / \ IRC:Goaty@aus.moto DoD#:1906 Ulysses#:10185 Vulcan Nomad \_.--._/ Phone: 0409 512 254 v mailto:John.Lamp@gmail.com Fax: 03 5227 2151 Hear no Evo, See no Evo, Fear no Evo Goaty <JohnLamp@gmail.com> wrote in news:00c283d8$0$20326$c3e8da3 @news.astraweb.com: > Give this a go! Add aus.motorcycles as a group you are in! :) It taook > me a lot less than 20 mins. Done. GB SignatureMy friend Steve is an atheist. He has a bumper sticker that reads "Honk if you love Jesus". When someone honks, he gives them the finger. > Goaty <JohnLamp@gmail.com> wrote in news:00c283d8$0$20326$c3e8da3 > @news.astraweb.com: [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > GB Done Rob > Goaty <JohnLamp@gmail.com> wrote in news:00c283d8$0$20326$c3e8da3 > @news.astraweb.com: >> Give this a go! Add aus.motorcycles as a group you are in! :) It taook >> me a lot less than 20 mins. > > Done. Done JL >> Goaty <JohnLamp@gmail.com> wrote in news:00c283d8$0$20326$c3e8da3 >> @news.astraweb.com: [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > > JL Data skewed. Moike >>> Goaty <JohnLamp@gmail.com> wrote in news:00c283d8$0$20326$c3e8da3 >>> @news.astraweb.com: [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > > Data skewed. You know you'll burn in hell for that! :) Cheers Goaty Signature_--_|\ John Lamp - in beautiful downtown Highton / \ IRC:Goaty@aus.moto DoD#:1906 Ulysses#:10185 Vulcan Nomad \_.--._/ Phone: 0409 512 254 v mailto:John.Lamp@gmail.com Fax: 03 5227 2151 Hear no Evo, See no Evo, Fear no Evo >>>> Goaty <JohnLamp@gmail.com> wrote in news:00c283d8$0$20326$c3e8da3 >>>> @news.astraweb.com: [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > Cheers > Goaty 1. Where? 2. You know me better than that. 2a. whoosh. Moike > Data skewed. Please don't! Something that you don't learn until you take a 'research methods' class or four or try to do some of your own survey research at university level is that it's really really difficulty to get people to do your survey, and even more difficult to get 'good' data. Mind you, one loopy outlier shouldn't skew things too much! :-) GB SignatureMy friend Steve is an atheist. He has a bumper sticker that reads "Honk if you love Jesus". When someone honks, he gives them the finger. >> Data skewed. > [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > > GB Oh, I wouldn't tell porkies. (I've done too much postgrad research to be stuffing about with someone else's work.) It's just that including me in any sample skews the data. Moike > It's just that including me in any sample skews the data. Well yeah, that did occur to me halfway through my reply. It's OK, I responded to the survey too. <Devito>"DO I LOOK NORMAL TO YOU?"</> GB SignatureMy friend Steve is an atheist. He has a bumper sticker that reads "Honk if you love Jesus". When someone honks, he gives them the finger. > > It's just that including me in any sample skews the data. > > Well yeah, that did occur to me halfway through my reply. > > It's OK, I responded to the survey too. <Devito>"DO I LOOK NORMAL > TO YOU?"</> :-) I think half a dozen responses from ausmoto have definitely warped the survey beyond any normal range :-) JL (I'm normal... for very large values of normal) > I think half a dozen responses from ausmoto have definitely warped the > survey beyond any normal range :-) Yeah; I wondered how my "competent rider" and "several crashes" results might be interpreted.... (not to mention the low weekly mileage but highish yearly mileage... It didn't have a box for the GP, Supers, Karuah, Wintersun etc etc....) SignatureClem >> I think half a dozen responses from ausmoto have definitely warped the >> survey beyond any normal range :-) [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > (not to mention the low weekly mileage but highish yearly mileage... It > didn't have a box for the GP, Supers, Karuah, Wintersun etc etc....) heh. My Typical day, month and year are 0, 0 and 7000 k respectively. Moike > >> I think half a dozen responses from ausmoto have definitely warped the > >> survey beyond any normal range :-) [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > > Moike This just means you are in that group that ride rarely and when you do you go for long rides, therefore are in the high risk category! Got your insurance up to date? SteveB >> (not to mention the low weekly mileage but highish yearly mileage... It >> didn't have a box for the GP, Supers, Karuah, Wintersun etc etc....) > heh. My Typical day, month and year are 0, 0 and 7000 k respectively. Heh heh; TAKE THAT Bell-curve!! SignatureClem > > I think half a dozen responses from ausmoto have definitely warped the > > survey beyond any normal range :-) [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > (not to mention the low weekly mileage but highish yearly mileage... It > didn't have a box for the GP, Supers, Karuah, Wintersun etc etc....) Hmm the box said in last N years IIRC - when did you last crash Clem - it was at least 3 or 4 years ago wasn't it ? JL >>> I think half a dozen responses from ausmoto have definitely warped the >>> survey beyond any normal range :-) [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > Hmm the box said in last N years IIRC - when did you last crash Clem - > it was at least 3 or 4 years ago wasn't it ? When did he collect the last Triumph? regards, CrazyCam > >>> I think half a dozen responses from ausmoto have definitely warped the > >>> survey beyond any normal range :-) [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > > When did he collect the last Triumph? Oh yeah I forgot about the Walcha wobble JL >> >>> I think half a dozen responses from ausmoto have definitely warped >> >>> the [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > > Oh yeah I forgot about the Walcha wobble Yep; sadly both the "Walcha Wobble" [(c) J Littler 2008] and the Eildon "I'll use gNatalie as a crash-bag" incidents fit into the "last three years" specification. SignatureClem >>> When did he collect the last Triumph? >> Oh yeah I forgot about the Walcha wobble >> > Yep; sadly both the "Walcha Wobble" [(c) J Littler 2008] In your defence, Clem, the steering geometry on that bike was quite inducive (is that a word?) towards a wobble, so it's probably to your credit that it only caught you out once...(see, if you tell the story right you can make it all the bike's fault) though it probably felt pity on you after the business with your back... Nev.. '07 XB12X >>>> When did he collect the last Triumph? >>> Oh yeah I forgot about the Walcha wobble [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > right you can make it all the bike's fault) though it probably felt pity > on you after the business with your back... The business with my back happened AFTER (or as a result of) the "Walcha Wobble" Nev. (Assuming you're talking about when I put my back out trying to pick up my Sprint after I panicked that a semi was gonna' run it over in 2007, rather than when I actually broke my back tangoing with a tree after running off the road on my Pantah in 1982). But yes; the steering geometry was way wrong but that really only makes me all-the-more totally-idiotic for ever contemplating riding it the 1000km home! SignatureClem >>>>> When did he collect the last Triumph? >>>> Oh yeah I forgot about the Walcha wobble [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > pick up my Sprint after I panicked that a semi was gonna' run it over in > 2007, Yes I think you can read the whole story on the lifeline website if you follow the "so _you_ think you've had a bad day" link :) Nev.. '07 XB12X >> The business with my back happened AFTER (or as a result of) the "Walcha >> Wobble" Nev. (Assuming you're talking about when I put my back out trying [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > Yes I think you can read the whole story on the lifeline website if you > follow the "so _you_ think you've had a bad day" link :) Ohhh yeah [shudder]... when you think your day has already hit it's lowest point you lock-up and out-of-control cannon an errant kangaroo at 120kph ...and you're still 450km from home! SignatureClem > Ohhh yeah [shudder]... when you think your day has already hit it's > lowest point you lock-up and out-of-control cannon an errant kangaroo at > 120kph ...and you're still 450km from home! [imagines ad] "You're in agony, your snot is freezing into your beard, you're starting to hallucinate from pain and exhaustion, you've still got 5 hours left to ride and you know you've only saved $100 by not getting it freighted...." It's dickhead time! SignatureClem > Ohhh yeah [shudder]... when you think your day has already hit it's lowest > point you lock-up and out-of-control cannon an errant kangaroo at 120kph > ...and you're still 450km from home! I was 1400 kms from home when I did the kanga-cannon trick. Theo >> Ohhh yeah [shudder]... when you think your day has already hit it's lowest >> point you lock-up and out-of-control cannon an errant kangaroo at 120kph >> ...and you're still 450km from home! > > I was 1400 kms from home when I did the kanga-cannon trick. I was about 20km from home last weekend when I noticed a roo about 2 metres from my shoulder to the port side. Nev.. '07 XB12X >>Ohhh yeah [shudder]... when you think your day has already hit it's lowest >>point you lock-up and out-of-control cannon an errant kangaroo at 120kph >>...and you're still 450km from home! > > I was 1400 kms from home when I did the kanga-cannon trick. ... and the emu? Cheers Goaty Signature_--_|\ John Lamp - in beautiful downtown Highton / \ IRC:Goaty@aus.moto DoD#:1906 Ulysses#:10185 Vulcan Nomad \_.--._/ Phone: 0409 512 254 v mailto:John.Lamp@gmail.com Fax: 03 5227 2151 Hear no Evo, See no Evo, Fear no Evo > >>> When did he collect the last Triumph? > >> Oh yeah I forgot about the Walcha wobble [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > In your defence, Clem, the steering geometry on that bike was quite > inducive (is that a word?) No - conducive (or induce/inducer/induced) JL >>>>> When did he collect the last Triumph? >>>> Oh yeah I forgot about the Walcha wobble [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > No - conducive (or induce/inducer/induced) Weighing up the pros and cons of the matter, I'd have chosen 'producive' :) Nev.. '07 XB12X >>>>>> When did he collect the last Triumph? >>>>> Oh yeah I forgot about the Walcha wobble [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > > Weighing up the pros and cons of the matter, I'd have chosen 'producive' :) <snicker> "Pro" because he was f.cked afterwards ? JL >>>>>>> When did he collect the last Triumph? >>>>>> Oh yeah I forgot about the Walcha wobble [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > > "Pro" because he was f.cked afterwards ? Conclusively! SignatureClem > It's just that including me in any sample skews the data. We're all individuals. GTheo theo <theo@bekkers.com.au> wrote in news:bbafe0cc-a647-485c-9eed- 976827393ca8@a2g2000prm.googlegroups.com: >> It's just that including me in any sample skews the data. > We're all individuals. Moike's not! GB SignatureMy friend Steve is an atheist. He has a bumper sticker that reads "Honk if you love Jesus". When someone honks, he gives them the finger. >>> Data skewed. >> [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > > It's just that including me in any sample skews the data. Errm Moike; he's already got me! SignatureClem (Skewed is as skewed posts!) >> Data skewed. > [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > > Mind you, one loopy outlier shouldn't skew things too much! :-) Surely the evaluation of the research is based on the conclusions drawn from the survey data gathered, rather than the degree of correctness of the survey data itself? Nev.. '07 XB12X > Hi all, > [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > Lauren Gook > ----------------8<--------------- I found it a load of drivel and quite offensive to me as an experienced rider. Given the wording and nature of the questions it was clear to me that there was a hidden agenda. Having undertaken my own postgraduate research in similar fields it appeared to me that the individuals invilved have limited or no experience of motorcycling. In all, responding to the survey is a waste of time. > I found it a load of drivel and quite offensive to me as an > experienced rider. Given the wording and nature of the questions it > was clear to me that there was a hidden agenda. Having undertaken my > own postgraduate research in similar fields it appeared to me that the > individuals invilved have limited or no experience of motorcycling. I think that you're lying about the postgraduate research in similar fields. The questions seemed to me to be pretty much exactly what I'd expect of a questionnaire grounded in psychology. The questions need to be carefully constructed in a range of ways for a range of reasons to ensure the veracity of the study. My usual approach to these tests is that if I get into them and find that they're hopelessly broken, I'll quit before the test is completed. In this instance, I found one question that was 'broken', and one that was a bit iffy. That's pretty good I think. I completed the test and seperately raised my (minor) concerns about the two questions with the author. I expect (as is usually the case) that she'll simply exclude those two questions from her analysis. It's perfectly routine to do that, and two iffy questions do not break an otherwise very sound test. In contrast to your imagined experience, I do have actual postgraduate training in designing survey instruments and in conducting survey research and actual first-hand experience in doing so, and I work daily with lots of other people who do the same thing. (Personally, I don't like the limits that the scientific approach places on research and I strongly prefer a postmodern/ polyphonic/ narrative approach to things, but that doesn't make this lady's research any less legitimate). I think that the survey instrument is perfectly fine. I also think that, given the difficulties associated with getting reliable data for research, that I as a researcher have a responsibility to help other researchers wherever I legitimately can. If you were an actual researcher and not just someone who plays a researcher on usenet, then you'd know the same thing. I quite like the turn the questions take. I can see some quite interesting new developments coming out of that research. I look forward to seeing the outputs. If you think that there's some sort of 'agenda' beyond producing novel new research (that is her job after all) then you ought to check to ensure that you haven't inadvertantly made your tinfoil hat too tight. > In all, responding to the survey is a waste of time. In all, reading (and responding) to your misinformed drivel is a waste of time (but I did it anyway). GB SignatureMy friend Steve is an atheist. He has a bumper sticker that reads "Honk if you love Jesus". When someone honks, he gives them the finger. > My usual > approach to these tests is that if I get into them and find that > they're hopelessly broken, I'll quit before the test is completed. > In this instance, I found one question that was 'broken', and one > that was a bit iffy. I'd be curious as to which two you thought were iffy (email me offlist if you don't want to skew the survey), I struggled with the wording of the 2 paired customisation questions which didn't really make semantic sense to me (they seemed to being attributing a lot of weight to me "customising" and to be somewhat contradictory - I think she knows too many Harley Chrome PTO buyers and not enough sportsbike riders "the CF part is 2/5ths of a gnats fart lighter - which makes me feel faster even though no one else knows nor cares, and nor do I want them to <grin>) JL >> My usual >> approach to these tests is that if I get into them and find that [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > > JL The survey was clearly biased against Sidecar riders (drivers). Boxer > The survey was clearly biased against Sidecar riders (drivers). Well she said she wanted motorcyclists not car drivers ;-) JL (just being mean 'cos I don't know how to handle one myself) "Boxer" <someone@nowhere.com> wrote : > The survey was clearly biased against Sidecar riders (drivers). Ya' generally try to exclude the mentally ill from surveys don't you? SignatureClem JL <jlittler@my-deja.com> wrote in news:8ee47f70-1954-48e8-ad89- fffb85338e94@v39g2000pro.googlegroups.com: > I'd be curious as to which two you thought were iffy C40 (on re-read was just my misinterpretation, not a broken question) and D30 struck me as a bit odd. Nothing terribly heinous though. > (email me offlist > if you don't want to skew the survey) What's the point? Moike already skewed it further than I could ever hope to! :-) GB SignatureMy friend Steve is an atheist. He has a bumper sticker that reads "Honk if you love Jesus". When someone honks, he gives them the finger. > I think that you're lying about the postgraduate research in > similar fields. [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > > GB GB, you come across as a typical academic w.nker, living in an ivory tower. Your attitude reminds me of one of the reasons I left academia. As for qualifications, does a PhD count in your eyes? A survey instrument is only as good as the effort that has gone into the design. But this also raises the whole qualitative/quantitative methodology debate. Pegasus > As for > qualifications, does a PhD count in your eyes? I got an email offering to sell me one this morning (and a whole heap of stock tips and "free loans") . JL Used to always be viagra and meat extension pills - aah the times have changed JL <jlittler@my-deja.com> wrote in news:37302b80-8672-40a6-9082- c2c1a4fc69d8@b30g2000prf.googlegroups.com: >> As for >> qualifications, does a PhD count in your eyes? > I got an email offering to sell me one this morning (and a whole heap > of stock tips and "free loans") . There are days when I think just buying one might be worth the risk! GB SignatureMy friend Steve is an atheist. He has a bumper sticker that reads "Honk if you love Jesus". When someone honks, he gives them the finger. > JL <jlittler@my-deja.com> wrote in news:37302b80-8672-40a6-9082- > c2c1a4fc69d8@b30g2000prf.googlegroups.com: [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > There are days when I think just buying one might be worth > the risk! Apparently some bird in the US got away with it for a decade at one of the big name Unis over there doing that (Wharton maybe ? Def east coast) JL >> I think that you're lying about the postgraduate research in >> similar fields. [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > > GB, you come across as a typical academic w.nker, Well, yes, he is, but he's OUR academic w.nker (well, one of them). living in an ivory tower. No, that's Theo that lives in an ivory tower. > Your attitude reminds me of one of the reasons I left academia. > As for qualifications, does a PhD count in your eyes? A survey > instrument is only as good as the effort that has gone into the design. ...and what it was designed to prove. > But this also raises the whole qualitative/quantitative methodology debate. Oh, dear...you're not really Hammo in disguise, are you? regards, CrazyCam > living in an ivory tower. How many elephants do you need to build one? >> living in an ivory tower. > > How many elephants do you need to build one? None. You generally only need ex-elephants. SignatureClem In aus.motorcycles on Tue, 26 Aug 2008 17:15:10 +1000 > Your attitude reminds me of one of the reasons I left academia. As for > qualifications, does a PhD count in your eyes? A survey instrument is only Not unless it's in a field that is germane to the subject. As someone who had done a decent one would know. Zebee > GB, you come across as a typical academic w.nker, living in an ivory > tower. Your attitude reminds me of one of the reasons I left academia. > As for qualifications, does a PhD count in your eyes? A survey > instrument is only as good as the effort that has gone into the > design. But this also raises the whole qualitative/quantitative > methodology debate. I share your contempt for quantitative methods, but I do not share your misconceptions nor your intolerance. A PhD never counts if all you do with it is wave it around like a big (small?) swinging dick. GB SignatureMy friend Steve is an atheist. He has a bumper sticker that reads "Honk if you love Jesus". When someone honks, he gives them the finger. > A PhD never counts if all you do with it is wave it around like a >big (small?) swinging dick. It counts, for that if that's what you use it for. > GB, you come across as a typical academic w.nker, living in an ivory > tower. Errm; I think that's Theo. GB is an atypical academic w.nker living in an faux-ivorette flat. We still need him here for stats though. SignatureClem > GB, you come across as a typical academic w.nker, living in an ivory tower. Hey, that's my ivory tower, thank you. > Your attitude reminds me of one of the reasons I left academia. As for > qualifications, does a PhD count in your eyes? A survey instrument is only > as good as the effort that has gone into the design. But this also raises > the whole qualitative/quantitative methodology debate. Oooh, really big words, and a PhD. I'm impressed. Theo I've got one of those academia trees in my yard, Still waiting for the first nuts though. There's one now. theo <theo@bekkers.com.au> wrote in news:10a5e1e6-9e48-4f05-a91a- 5b1e5dd01b35@v26g2000prm.googlegroups.com: > I've got one of those academia trees in my yard, Still waiting for the > first nuts though. There's one now. "academia nuts" (c) Theo 2008... That's gold that is! :-) GB SignatureMy friend Steve is an atheist. He has a bumper sticker that reads "Honk if you love Jesus". When someone honks, he gives them the finger. > theo <theo@bekkers.com.au> wrote in news:10a5e1e6-9e48-4f05-a91a- > 5b1e5dd01b35@v26g2000prm.googlegroups.com: >> I've got one of those academia trees in my yard, Still waiting for the >> first nuts though. There's one now. > > "academia nuts" (c) Theo 2008... That's gold that is! :-) Oh God I'm slow; I didn't even get that. Thanks GB. SignatureClem [grabs pointy hat and goes off to sit in the dunce's corner] > GB, you come across as a typical academic w.nker, living in an ivory > tower. Your attitude reminds me of one of the reasons I left academia. > As for qualifications, does a PhD count in your eyes? A survey > instrument is only as good as the effort that has gone into the design. > But this also raises the whole qualitative/quantitative methodology debate. Oh please! At least cast it in terms of positivist vs interpretivist, which *is* a methodological debate rather than a debate about simple methods. Cheers Goaty Signature_--_|\ John Lamp - in beautiful downtown Highton / \ IRC:Goaty@aus.moto DoD#:1906 Ulysses#:10185 Vulcan Nomad \_.--._/ Phone: 0409 512 254 v mailto:John.Lamp@gmail.com Fax: 03 5227 2151 Hear no Evo, See no Evo, Fear no Evo > Give this a go! Add aus.motorcycles as a group you are in! :) It taook me a lot > less than 20 mins. [quoted text clipped - 20 lines] > Cheers > Goaty I couldn't get past the second page, where it said, Do You agree or Do You Not Agree I couldn't decide which button to press > Give this a go! Add aus.motorcycles as a group you are in! :) It taook > me a lot less than 20 mins. [quoted text clipped - 20 lines] > Cheers > Goaty Done but some questions were loaded and the ones about retaliate were used wrongly and smacked of amateurism. >> Give this a go! Add aus.motorcycles as a group you are in! :) It taook >> me a lot less than 20 mins. [quoted text clipped - 23 lines] >Done but some questions were loaded and the ones about retaliate were >used wrongly and smacked of amateurism. Yeah - I started it but stopped. The one about typical week/month/year then stating that they may be different was silly. Then asking about how much riding in different environments, what do you mean? Time? Km? Very badly set up. > hen asking about how much riding in different > environments, what do you mean? Time? Km? > Very badly set up. What, the question that asked you to assign PERCENTAGES to different environments? Very badly read perhaps! :-) GB SignatureMy friend Steve is an atheist. He has a bumper sticker that reads "Honk if you love Jesus". When someone honks, he gives them the finger. >> hen asking about how much riding in different >> environments, what do you mean? Time? Km? >> Very badly set up. > > What, the question that asked you to assign PERCENTAGES to different >environments? Very badly read perhaps! :-) Yeah - but percentages of my total time or total km? If I'm on the open road I chew up km a lot quicker than being stuck in traffic. So half an hour in traffic and half an hour out on the highway are quite different. > > hen asking about how much riding in different > > environments, what do you mean? Time? Km? [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > My friend Steve is an atheist. He has a bumper sticker that reads "Honk > if you love Jesus". When someone honks, he gives them the finger. Done... and I mentioned that on the feedback. On Aug 26, 5:59 am, Kevin Gleeson <kevinglee...@imagine-it.com.au> wrote: > Yeah - I started it but stopped. > > The one about typical week/month/year then stating that they may be > different was silly. I didn't think that was a problem question. My typical week is 250 kms, my typical month is 1000, but my anual would be 20,000. Something to do with my atypical month of October, when the GP is on. Theo > The one about typical week/month/year then stating that they may be > different was silly. Then asking about how much riding in different > environments, what do you mean? Time? Km? > Very badly set up. Yeah; I had the "time vs km" question. My normal daily commute is about 30km but I generally do about 8 800-1200km days per year so that kinda buggers up the count! SignatureClem >> The one about typical week/month/year then stating that they may be >> different was silly. Then asking about how much riding in different [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > My normal daily commute is about 30km but I generally do about 8 800-1200km > days per year so that kinda buggers up the count! I think the question was probably structured that way intentionally, to acknowledge that due to it's recreational nature motorcycle usage is not linear. If they'd wanted simple average data on km travelled they'd just have asked for a single number. Nev.. '07 XB12X >>> The one about typical week/month/year then stating that they may be >>> different was silly. Then asking about how much riding in different [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > Nev.. > '07 XB12X I ended up averaging it anyway... my figures were sort of like Moikes and looked silly :) G-S >>>> The one about typical week/month/year then stating that they may be >>>> different was silly. Then asking about how much riding in different [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] > I ended up averaging it anyway... my figures were sort of like Moikes > and looked silly :) but if we all do that the average motorcyclist is going to end up riding a spherical Kawasaki !! Nev.. '07 XB12X >>>>> The one about typical week/month/year then stating that they may be >>>>> different was silly. Then asking about how much riding in different [quoted text clipped - 21 lines] > Nev.. > '07 XB12X I suspect it'd be a spherical Honda... but I take your point. G-S >>>>>> The one about typical week/month/year then stating that they may be >>>>>> different was silly. Then asking about how much riding in different [quoted text clipped - 23 lines] > > I suspect it'd be a spherical Honda... but I take your point. Possibly even a spherical motorcyclist ... Cheers Goaty Signature_--_|\ John Lamp - in beautiful downtown Highton / \ IRC:Goaty@aus.moto DoD#:1906 Ulysses#:10185 Vulcan Nomad \_.--._/ Phone: 0409 512 254 v mailto:John.Lamp@gmail.com Fax: 03 5227 2151 Hear no Evo, See no Evo, Fear no Evo >>>>>>> The one about typical week/month/year then stating that they may be >>>>>>> different was silly. Then asking about how much riding in different [quoted text clipped - 28 lines] > Cheers > Goaty *looks at Goaty* ok... you win :) G-S >>> I suspect it'd be a spherical Honda... but I take your point. >> [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > > ok... you win :) That's a lovely shade of black you're wearing there G-S JL >>>> I suspect it'd be a spherical Honda... but I take your point. >>> [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > > JL Why thank you sir... would like like a cup of tea from this lovely pot and kettle? G-S >>>>> I suspect it'd be a spherical Honda... but I take your point. >>>> [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > > would like like a cup of tea from this lovely pot and kettle? Thank you kindly, I seem to be wearing that same ausmoto shade as well JL > Give this a go! Add aus.motorcycles as a group you are in! :) It taook > me a lot less than 20 mins. Done. Theo > Give this a go! Add aus.motorcycles as a group you are in! :) It taook > me a lot less than 20 mins. > > ----------------8<--------------- <snip> > Cheers > Goaty Contribution submitted SteveB SignaturePosted at www.Usenet.com.au >> Give this a go! Add aus.motorcycles as a group you are in! :) It taook >> me a lot less than 20 mins. [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > > SteveB With surveys like this various inferences may be drawn from the results that may be incorrect Say everyone who does not have accidents says that they wear bright clothes the inference may be that bright clothes stop accidents. If the question was who wears underwear and every one who did not have accidents said yes then under wear stops accidents F Murtz is of the opinion: >>> Give this a go! Add aus.motorcycles as a group you are in! :) It taook >>> me a lot less than 20 mins. [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] > If the question was who wears underwear and every one who did not have > accidents said yes then under wear stops accidents Only if all the people who had accidents said that they didn't wear underwear. Here's a nickel, kid; go buy a statistics primer. - Matt In aus.motorcycles on Wed, 27 Aug 2008 02:50:56 +0000 (UTC) > Only if all the people who had accidents said that they didn't wear > underwear. If people think underwear is a safety item then they are likely to self-report wearing it. Zebee > In aus.motorcycles on Wed, 27 Aug 2008 02:50:56 +0000 (UTC) >> [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > > Zebee To not wear underwear is a safety hazard you get skid marks on your jeans if you don't wear them "George W Frost" <georgewfrost@gmail.com> wrote in news:X64tk.31646 $IK1.9500@news-server.bigpond.net.au: > To not wear underwear is a safety hazard > you get skid marks on your jeans if you don't wear them Q: How does George wipe his arse? A: First he pulls his overalls up at the front, then he pulls his overalls up at the back, then he pulls his overalls up at the back, then he... GB SignatureMy friend Steve is an atheist. He has a bumper sticker that reads "Honk if you love Jesus". When someone honks, he gives them the finger. > "George W Frost" <georgewfrost@gmail.com> wrote in news:X64tk.31646 > $IK1.9500@news-server.bigpond.net.au: [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > > GB very funny, you just don't realise how long that takes >> Q: How does George wipe his arse? >> [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > very funny, you just don't realise how long that takes Is it 'cause you need to have "up" explained to you first? SignatureClem >>> Q: How does George wipe his arse? >>> [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] >> very funny, you just don't realise how long that takes > Is it 'cause you need to have "up" explained to you first? At least, I have managed to stay "UP" on my bike not like some others here, including you, knobless >>>> Q: How does George wipe his arse? >>>> [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > At least, I have managed to stay "UP" on my bike > not like some others here, including you, knobless About time you took off the training wheels than George >>>>> Q: How does George wipe his arse? >>>>> [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] >> not like some others here, including you, knobless > About time you took off the training wheels than George When are you going to take yours off? >>>>>> Q: How does George wipe his arse? >>>>>> [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > > When are you going to take yours off? oh ffs be a touch more wittier than that! >>>>>>> Q: How does George wipe his arse? >>>>>>> [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] >> > oh ffs be a touch more wittier than that! ... er Smee.... It's Geo. W. Moike >>>>>>>> Q: How does George wipe his arse? >>>>>>>> [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > > Moike Sorry Moike I forgot what I was up against. (not much actually) >> Is it 'cause you need to have "up" explained to you first? > > At least, I have managed to stay "UP" on my bike > not like some others here, including you, knobless I think you'll find you have to actually RIDE places George. It's very easy for the bike to stay up when it's parked in the garage and you're doing all your travelling in a car..... SignatureClem >>> Is it 'cause you need to have "up" explained to you first? >> [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] >It's very easy for the bike to stay up when it's parked in the garage and >you're doing all your travelling in a car..... Oi! ... oh sorry Clem, you were addressing GWF Johno <the letterbox rider> Mind you... have had the bike 64 days now and have done 802km - not bad! >>>> Is it 'cause you need to have "up" explained to you first? >>> [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] >Mind you... have had the bike 64 days now and have done 802km - not >bad! oops... beer mate? >>> Is it 'cause you need to have "up" explained to you first? >> [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > It's very easy for the bike to stay up when it's parked in the garage and you're > doing all your travelling in a car..... I ride ny bike almsot every day knobless and have done for a few years and not fallen off in that time, unlike you >> I think you'll find you have to actually RIDE places George. >> It's very easy for the bike to stay up when it's parked in the garage and [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > unlike you Sure you do George; we all believe you. (That's probably why you're always posting those ride stories about places you go and people you meet). SignatureClem >>> I think you'll find you have to actually RIDE places George. >>> It's very easy for the bike to stay up when it's parked in the garage [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > (That's probably why you're always posting those ride stories about places > you go and people you meet). Post a link to a photo of your bike George. Boxer > Post a link to a photo of your bike George. Shouldn't you be asking for six photos, not a measly one? Theo On Aug 28, 11:50 am, "Boxer" <some...@nowhere.com> wrote: > Post a link to a photo of your bike George. Shouldn't you be asking for six photos, not a measly one? Theo How many photos of a CT110 do we really need? Boxer > "theo" <t...@bekkers.com.au> wrote in message > Shouldn't you be asking for six photos, not a measly one? > How many photos of a CT110 do we really need? The people accross the road from us used to have 35 CT110s in their garage, and they all got ridden regulary. OK, OK, we have a Post Office accross the road. Theo > Post a link to a photo of your bike George. > > Boxer I'm fairly certain it's this one Boxer... http://www.morgancycle.com/bikes/pink-bike2.jpg [1] G-S [1] He mentioned he liked morgans in an earlier thread... > > Post a link to a photo of your bike George. > [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > http://www.morgancycle.com/bikes/pink-bike2.jpg [1] Love the front suspension. Theo >>> Post a link to a photo of your bike George. >>> Boxer [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > > Theo Well if you look at the off road tyres it obviously need front suspension :) G-S In aus.motorcycles on Thu, 28 Aug 2008 03:45:42 GMT > Sure you do George; we all believe you. > (That's probably why you're always posting those ride stories about places > you go and people you meet). These days my riding can be stated as "to work. again. God I hate the Lane Cove Road" I get to take the Norge to Adelaide in October, but that will be the most exciting thing I've done motorcycle wise in months. Although Tex did say he wanted a swinger on his short track outfit... Zebee > With surveys like this various inferences may be drawn from the results > that may be incorrect Thi is wwhy we leave the inferences to be drawn by people who are trained to do so. > Say everyone who does not have accidents says that they wear bright > clothes the inference may be that bright clothes stop accidents. > > If the question was who wears underwear and every one who did not have > accidents said yes then under wear stops accidents Better not to have any idea what causes accidents eh? Theo >> With surveys like this various inferences may be drawn from the results >> that may be incorrect [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > > Theo We know what people do with stats, child accidents down at school zones so therefore 40k works overall child accident stats not mentioned [they have not changed as much ] less accidents at cameras therefore cameras work . Nothing mentioned about overall figures which show a different result gun homicide down since new fire arm laws.therefore gun laws work . Nothing about overall homicides which have not changed much > Give this a go! Add aus.motorcycles as a group you are in! :) It taook > me a lot less than 20 mins. [quoted text clipped - 20 lines] > Cheers > Goaty Done. Mind you, I think it's a hoax. My long lost (and completely imaginary) cousin Amy is apparently one of the researchers, and some of the other researchers have equally hard-to-believe names. SignatureRegards Andrew > Done. Mind you, I think it's a hoax. My long lost (and completely > imaginary) cousin Amy is apparently one of the researchers, and some of > the other researchers have equally hard-to-believe names. I know this is digging an even deeper hole, but I can confirm there are a few Gooks down here in Geelong (eg Alison, recent promoted to secondary school principal), Pat Wig is a rider and a psych lecturer, as is Lucy. http://deakin.edu.au/hmnbs/psychology/staffprofiles.php?username=patwig http://deakin.edu.au/hmnbs/psychology/staffprofiles.php?username=lucyz Cheers Goaty Signature_--_|\ John Lamp - in beautiful downtown Highton / \ IRC:Goaty@aus.moto DoD#:1906 Ulysses#:10185 Vulcan Nomad \_.--._/ Phone: 0409 512 254 v mailto:John.Lamp@gmail.com Fax: 03 5227 2151 Hear no Evo, See no Evo, Fear no Evo >> Done. Mind you, I think it's a hoax. My long lost (and completely >> imaginary) cousin Amy is apparently one of the researchers, and some [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > Cheers > Goaty OK. Taking your point: if I was pretending my name was Pat Wig I wouldn't simultaneously try and pretend I was Canadian. Therefore, since that is so improbable, he must be real. Therefore the others must be too. Therefore the survey must be legit. There's a very short word for that kind of thinking but it momentarily escapes me. And where in those CV you linked does it confirm that anybody rides a motorcycle? :-) SignatureRegards Andrew >>> Done. Mind you, I think it's a hoax. My long lost (and completely >>> imaginary) cousin Amy is apparently one of the researchers, and some [quoted text clipped - 19 lines] > escapes me. And where in those CV you linked does it confirm that > anybody rides a motorcycle? Well given Goaty works there I guess he'd probably know who rides and who doesn't JL (not technically proof though) >> There's a very short word for that kind of thinking but it momentarily >> escapes me. And where in those CV you linked does it confirm that [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > JL > (not technically proof though) Pfft! As if. Last time I went to university there were 1300 faculty and more than 8000 students on one campus, and I knew fewer than 20 of the motorcycle riders. I don't know Goaty from a bar of soap (except knowing he's the original JL) but I do know he doesn't even work on the same campus as these imaginary psychologists. [1] SignatureRegards Andrew [1] Of course I believe him when he says Pat Wig is a rider, why would you make that up? I'm just helping him dig his hole by pointing out the slip planes :-) >>> There's a very short word for that kind of thinking but it >>> momentarily escapes me. And where in those CV you linked does it [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > he's the original JL) but I do know he doesn't even work on the same > campus as these imaginary psychologists. [1] You're obviously an unsociable bastard then ! Of the last 3 degrees, 2 campuses of which were 20K plus (the other a combined school of each of the above dunno how you count that) I'd have met more than that at each instance - and I've been bloody part time every time. JL (great conversation starter this biking malarkey) >JL >(great conversation starter this biking malarkey) I was a bit shocked when in Ireland last year to learn that Malarkey is an Irish name. Can recall getting roused on as a kid to have "none of that Malarkey". The Marlarkeys were presumably up to no good at some point. Bill >> JL >> (great conversation starter this biking malarkey) [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > of that Malarkey". The Marlarkeys were presumably up to no good at > some point. As far as the English were concerned, NO Irish man was ever up to any good JL >>> JL >>> (great conversation starter this biking malarkey) [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > > JL Are there any good Irishmen? > Are there any good Irishmen? Pogue Mahone... 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