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Motorcycle Forum / Country Specific / Australian Group / September 2008Angle on speeding ticket - Advice please.
I recently received in the mail a speed camera fine which charges me with exceeding a 60 klm/h limit by 24 klm/h. $250 and 4 points. However the evidence in the form of a photo of my bike is merely a piece of black paper with a red glow in the middle and a barely visible numberplate. Now the road nominated as where the alleged offence took place has both 60 and 80 klm/h limits. As there is nothing reconisable to indicate where the photograph was shot I assume it is just the word of the cop to prove it was even in that particular road. In person-to-cop tickets there is no argument that you are where you are. But to receive a ticket 10 days later your recollection is not precise you have to trust that the cop is not trying to screw you. Does anyone know if this type of defence has been used successfilly before. "Yes judge I was doing 84. You don't have to prove to me that the camera is accurate. But judge I was in an 80 zone. Now you prove to me that that picture was taken in a 60 zone." Bada. > I recently received in the mail a speed camera fine which charges me with > exceeding a 60 klm/h limit by 24 klm/h. [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] > accurate. But judge I was in an 80 zone. Now you prove to me that that > picture was taken in a 60 zone." Just pay the fine. regards, CrazyCam  SignatureRegards, Barry >> I recently received in the mail a speed camera fine which charges me with >> exceeding a 60 klm/h limit by 24 klm/h. [quoted text clipped - 21 lines] > regards, > CrazyCam Thanks for your opinion Cam but I did ask for specific advice, not merely opinions. Didn't someone important say something once about justice being seen to be done ? But I see you go with the guy who told us you can't fight City Hall. regards Bada you are already lost because the pic is logged to a camera at a physical location , you have to prove otherwise >onus of proof is yours. >> >> I recently received in the mail a speed camera fine which charges me with >> >> exceeding a 60 klm/h limit by 24 klm/h. >> >> $250 and 4 points. >> >> >> >> However the evidence in the form of a photo of my bike is merely a piece >> >> of black paper with a red glow in the middle and a barely visible >> >> numberplate. Now the road nominated as where the alleged offence took >> >> place has both 60 and 80 klm/h limits. As there is nothing reconisable >> >> to indicate where the photograph was shot I assume it is just the word of >> >> the cop to prove it was even in that particular road. >> >> >> >> In person-to-cop tickets there is no argument that you are where you are. >> >> But to receive a ticket 10 days later your recollection is not precise >> >> you have to trust that the cop is not trying to screw you. >> >> >> >> Does anyone know if this type of defence has been used successfilly >> >> before. >> >> "Yes judge I was doing 84. You don't have to prove to me that the camera >> >> is accurate. But judge I was in an 80 zone. Now you prove to me that >> >> that picture was taken in a 60 zone." > > > > Just pay the fine. > > > > regards, > > CrazyCam > Thanks for your opinion Cam but I did ask for specific advice, not > merely opinions. It was advice. My opinion is that, if you went to court and said the words you have put in quotes, especially "now you prove to me", you'd be acting in contempt of court. The only way it _might_ work would be if you could be sure that Pat O'Shae was hearing the case. > Didn't someone important say something once about justice being seen > to be done ? Justice has absolutely nothing to do courts of law. > But I see you go with the guy who told us you can't fight City Hall. You asked, I answered. <shrug> regards, CrazyCam >The only way it _might_ work would be if you could be sure that Pat >O'Shae was hearing the case. and you were indodgeynus > -- > Regards, [quoted text clipped - 27 lines] > Thanks for your opinion Cam but I did ask for specific advice, not merely > opinions. then why come to a newsgroup? if you what specific advise, go see a lawyer mh SignatureRegards, Barry On Sep 14, 7:44 am, "Bada" <b...@froggy.com.au> wrote: > -- > Regards, [quoted text clipped - 37 lines] > Thanks for your opinion Cam but I did ask for specific advice, not merely > opinions. then why come to a newsgroup? if you what specific advise, go see a lawyer mh To answer your question Marty, I did not tell Cam to stick his opinion where the sun don't shine. I merely said thanks but I really wanted advice in the form of anecdotes from the newsgroup contributors as well. Good advice is more difficult to come by than opinions but I have seen some great advice and innovative ideas from some intelligent people in motorcycle newsgroups. Yes some intelligent people do ride. Sometimes you need to glean through reams before you find them though. Not all of us only source advice about our bikes from a qualified mechanic. Often our peers have had similar problems and after the experience their advice is not different to a "qualified" person. Same with legal experiences. Anyway if someone had used this type of defence and it worked or helped then I would take it on board make the time to consult a solicitor for sure. Due to my points situation I am just grasping for straws and asking for help from fellow motorcyclists. Usually we stick together against the normal people. I suspect you are from the USA Marty. It is normal practice and good English in the US to spell "advice" as a both noun and a verb with an "s". Similar to licence, and defence etc. However only an uneducated dh Australian would spell "advice" the noun in the verb form "advise". I am going to Seattle for a couple of weeks in December. What part of the US are you from Marty ? Regards Bada [...] >I suspect you are from the USA Marty. It is normal practice and good >English in the US to spell "advice" as a both noun and a verb with an "s". [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] >I am going to Seattle for a couple of weeks in December. What part of the >US are you from Marty ? And there you have it folks - show your ignorance of group culture, insult the regulars... Then expect people to give you the answer that you want to hear. SignatureMr H (should be in the FAQ) On Sep 14, 5:15 pm, Mr_Han...@qnr.com wrote: > [...] > [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > -- > Mr H (should be in the FAQ) this Bada bloke isnt very bright is he? great biter thou mh (uneducated dh Australian) > And there you have it folks - show your ignorance of group culture, > insult the regulars... Too true, If he'd had half a clue, he'd have insulted Nev oh Johno. Beer Johno? GB SignatureMy friend Steve is an atheist. He has a bumper sticker that reads "Honk if you love Jesus". When someone honks, he gives them the finger. >> And there you have it folks - show your ignorance of group culture, >> insult the regulars... [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > >GB Charming... bloody charming! that's it GB, no more beer for you. I'll have the beer though Johno > I suspect you are from the USA Marty. It is normal practice and good > English in the US to spell "advice" as a both noun and a verb with an "s". > Similar to licence, and defence etc. However only an uneducated dh > Australian would spell "advice" the noun in the verb form "advise". you think my spelling is bad? wait until you experience my grammar > I am going to Seattle for a couple of weeks in December. What part of the > US are you from Marty ? Austin Texas... inst that what the "Aus" stands for? mh SignatureRegards, Barry On Sep 14, 4:59 pm, "Bada" <b...@froggy.com.au> wrote: > I suspect you are from the USA Marty. It is normal practice and good > English in the US to spell "advice" as a both noun and a verb with an "s". > Similar to licence, and defence etc. However only an uneducated dh > Australian would spell "advice" the noun in the verb form "advise". you think my spelling is bad? wait until you experience my grammar > I am going to Seattle for a couple of weeks in December. What part of the > US are you from Marty ? Austin Texas... inst that what the "Aus" stands for? mh You win Marty. This match is too one-sided and it would be pointless for me to continue. Anyway my Mother always told me never to argue. (She also said something about fools and public places but that was a long time ago so I don't remember it exactly) Goodnight Marty. > -- > Regards, [quoted text clipped - 22 lines] > > Goodnight Marty. what... no kiss? mh Marty H <hytram@gmail.com> wrote in news:3b6e19a8-ef85-4a3e-89cb- 54c7c60a84d9@n38g2000prl.googlegroups.com: > you think my spelling is bad? wait until you experience my grammar Gotta love those GILFs! GB SignatureMy friend Steve is an atheist. He has a bumper sticker that reads "Honk if you love Jesus". When someone honks, he gives them the finger. > you think my spelling is bad? wait until you experience my grammar My grammars been dead for ages. Theo > It is normal practice and good > English in the US to spell "advice" as a both noun and a verb with an "s". > Similar to licence, and defence etc. Error! Error! You used the words US and good English in the same sentence. Theo >> It is normal practice and good >> English in the US to spell "advice" as a both noun and a verb with an "s". [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > >Theo US English is a whole lot better organised than the English we use. Thanks to Webster and their long-standing acceptance of his dictionary, Americans have a degree of consistency in their usage that we do not. Shakespeare was more likely to spell it color than the Frenchified colour. British English, hence ours, has many more "foreign" influences than US English does. > US English is a whole lot better organised than the English we use. > Thanks to Webster and their long-standing acceptance of his > dictionary, Americans have a degree of consistency in their usage that > we do not. Shakespeare was more likely to spell it color than the > Frenchified colour. British English, hence ours, has many more > "foreign" influences than US English does. Yep; I was very very sad to discover that too. It's the Poms who flowered up all the spellings with their extra Us, GHTs etc.... Yank spelling is closer to original spelling. SignatureClem (... but the voted Dubya in twice [and look like doing the same for joke-candidate Palin] so they deserve no sympathy!) >> It is normal practice and good >> English in the US to spell "advice" as a both noun and a verb with an "s". [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > >Theo US English is a whole lot better organised than the English we use. Thanks to Webster and their long-standing acceptance of his dictionary, Americans have a degree of consistency in their usage that we do not. Shakespeare was more likely to spell it color than the Frenchified colour. British English, hence ours, has many more "foreign" influences than US English does. Bumblebeepedantman On Sep 14, 2:59 pm, "Bada" <b...@froggy.com.au> wrote: > It is normal practice and good > English in the US to spell "advice" as a both noun and a verb with an "s". > Similar to licence, and defence etc. Error! Error! You used the words US and good English in the same sentence. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ f.ck! I knew I should've read ahead..... SignatureClem > Usually we stick together against the normal >people. Then there was ausmoto... >I suspect you are from the USA Marty. It is normal practice and good >English in the US to spell "advice" as a both noun and a verb with an "s". [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] >I am going to Seattle for a couple of weeks in December. What part of the >US are you from Marty ? I was with you until here. Spelling flames are lame..real lame. paulh City Hall? you a seppo bada? Johno > City Hall? you a seppo bada? Brisbane has a city hall. http://www.brisbane.qld.gov.au/BCC:LANDING::pc=PC_1579 What's it called elsewhere? SignatureClem >> City Hall? you a seppo bada? >> >Brisbane has a city hall. >http://www.brisbane.qld.gov.au/BCC:LANDING::pc=PC_1579 >What's it called elsewhere? Mostly town halls http://www.cityofsydney.nsw.gov.au/Business/VenuesForHire/SydneyTownHall/default.asp http://www.melbourne.vic.gov.au/info.cfm?top=55&pg=746 http://www.cityofadelaide.com.au/scripts/nc.dll?ADCCBRAND:STANDARD::pc=PC_04_04 but i suppose as we head closer to becoming the 51st state of seppoland, we should be swapping over :) Johno Beer? <not Bud> > but i suppose as we head closer to becoming the 51st state of > seppoland, we should be swapping over :) > > Johno > > Beer? <not Bud> Several liquor outlets here have Bud on special this week. Theo >> but i suppose as we head closer to becoming the 51st state of >> seppoland, we should be swapping over :) [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > Several liquor outlets here have Bud on special this week. How much will they pay me to take it away? regards, CrazyCam What is the difference between making love on the beach and American beer ? SignatureRegards, Barry >> >>> but i suppose as we head closer to becoming the 51st state of [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > regards, > CrazyCam They're both f.cking near water. > What is the difference between making love on the beach and American beer > ? They both leave you with a sore dribbly arse? SignatureClem (yeah yeah I know the normal punchline) >> What is the difference between making love on the beach and American beer >> ? >> > They both leave you with a sore dribbly arse? Spoken like a professional at it. >>> What is the difference between making love on the beach and American >>> beer >> They both leave you with a sore dribbly arse? > > Spoken like a professional at it. Don't know the difference between "you" and "me" yet George? SignatureClem (as opposed to the almost galaxy-wide difference between you and me!!) >>> City Hall? you a seppo bada? >>> [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > > http://www.cityofadelaide.com.au/scripts/nc.dll?ADCCBRAND:STANDARD::pc=PC_04_04 Curious... you often hear of "Old Sydney Town" and "Old Melbourne Town" but never Brisbane Town. Maybe it was established as a city (when they grouped a bunch of towns together) or maybe the hall wasn't built until it was already a city or something..... [google google] Hmm.. it looks like Brisbane had a Town Hall built in 1864. In 1925, the City of Brisbane Act was passed by the Queensland Government, abolishing 20 local government authorities in the city and forming the largest local authority in Australia. The new hall was being built already and opened around 1930. It seems to have always been known as "City Hall" but, as that's an oddity in Australia; is often referred to as "Town Hall". Well I'll be buggered. SignatureClem >>>> City Hall? you a seppo bada? >>>> [quoted text clipped - 24 lines] > > Well I'll be buggered. You seem to know a lot about being buggered and a sore and dribbly arse. >> Well I'll be buggered. > > You seem to know a lot about being buggered and a sore and dribbly arse. I know a lot about electrocution, motor-vehicle crash-injury, poverty and mental-illness too George. Doesn't mean I want any of it to happen to me! SignatureClem >>> Well I'll be buggered. >> >> You seem to know a lot about being buggered and a sore and dribbly arse. > I know a lot about electrocution, motor-vehicle crash-injury, poverty and > mental-illness too George. Doesn't mean I want any of it to happen to me! You never know knobless, ......you never know >>>> Well I'll be buggered. >>> [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > You never know knobless, ......you never know What's the cause of your continued interest George? -- Clem >>>>> Well I'll be buggered. >>>> [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] >> You never know knobless, ......you never know >What's the cause of your continued interest George? The general opinion is that we think he likes you Clem. Johno Beer? On Sep 18, 8:33 am, varc...@msn.com wrote: > On Wed, 17 Sep 2008 12:38:14 GMT, "Knobdoodle" > [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] > > Beer? I wouldnt like to see his hate.. mh > On Sep 18, 8:33 am, varc...@msn.com wrote: >> On Wed, 17 Sep 2008 12:38:14 GMT, "Knobdoodle" [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] > > I wouldnt like to see his hate.. (Cupping hand to ear) You want to see his WHAT? On Sep 18, 9:43 am, Nigel Allen <"dna at edrs dot remove this com dot au"> wrote: > > On Sep 18, 8:33 am, varc...@msn.com wrote: > >> On Wed, 17 Sep 2008 12:38:14 GMT, "Knobdoodle" [quoted text clipped - 19 lines] > > You want to see his WHAT? date? mh On Sep 18, 9:43 am, Nigel Allen wrote: > You want to see his WHAT? date? ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ It'd be a carbon-date for George. SignatureClem >I wouldnt like to see his hate.. I've never heard it called *that* before SignatureH On Sep 18, 6:33 am, varc...@msn.com wrote: > <knobdoo...@hotmail.com> wrote: > >"George W Frost" <georgewfr...@gmail.com> wrote in message > >> You never know knobless, ......you never know > >What's the cause of your continued interest George? > The general opinion is that we think he likes you Clem. Fancies? Theo > <knobdoodle@hotmail.com> wrote: >>What's the cause of your continued interest George? > > The general opinion is that we think he likes you Clem. 'Course he does Johno; I'm the only one who talks to him! SignatureClem >> <knobdoodle@hotmail.com> wrote: >>>What's the cause of your continued interest George? >> >> The general opinion is that we think he likes you Clem. >> >'Course he does Johno; I'm the only one who talks to him! I've stopped offering him a beer mate... he seems to be a *little* on the nasty side when he has had one. Johno XXXX mate? > XXXX mate? sh.t Johno; I'd even drink Coopers with you! SignatureClem (I'd still whinge but) >> XXXX mate? >> > sh.t Johno; I'd even drink Coopers with you! The only trouble drinking with johno is that after 3 beers you've got to find another person to drink with! G-S >>> XXXX mate? >>> [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > >G-S u'll keep bitch... pie floater? Johno >>>> XXXX mate? >>>> [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > > Johno Pass.... VB johno? G-S >>>>> Well I'll be buggered. >>>> You seem to know a lot about being buggered and a sore and dribbly arse. [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > -- > Clem Good question. I made it into idiot boy's kill file easy enough.. > Good question. I made it into idiot boy's kill file easy enough.. Lucky lucky bastard!! SignatureClem ('though I am surprised ol' George could actually operate a killfile!) >> Good question. I made it into idiot boy's kill file easy enough.. >> > Lucky lucky bastard!! It's got good and bad sides. I mean I can't bait him .. those were the days. I certainly don't miss being insulted by him though but it's not like that's a drama.. > > City Hall? you a seppo bada? > > Brisbane has a city hall. Yeah well, it IS BrizVegas after all. It's halfway to being an American state already ! JL The Gold Coast could be transported to California and no one would notice On Sep 17, 12:25 am, "Knobdoodle" <knobdoo...@hotmail.com> wrote: > "Johno" <varc...@msn.com> wrote in message > [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > Brisbane has a city hall. Yeah well, it IS BrizVegas after all. It's halfway to being an American state already ! JL The Gold Coast could be transported to California and no one would notice Or Tokyo >On Sep 17, 12:25 am, "Knobdoodle" <knobdoo...@hotmail.com> wrote: >> "Johno" <varc...@msn.com> wrote in message [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > >Or Tokyo Melbourne SignatureMr H >>On Sep 17, 12:25 am, "Knobdoodle" <knobdoo...@hotmail.com> wrote: >>> "Johno" <varc...@msn.com> wrote in message [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] >> > Melbourne True, rode down there the other day and can't get over how many Asains there are there > On Sep 17, 12:25 am, "Knobdoodle" <knobdoo...@hotmail.com> wrote: > [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > > Or Tokyo Well it's good to see you keeping consistent with your trademark of being behind the times GW JL (yes a decade or two ago there were a lot of Japanese tourists on the Gold Coast) In aus.motorcycles on Sat, 13 Sep 2008 20:47:53 GMT > However the evidence in the form of a photo of my bike is merely a piece of > black paper with a red glow in the middle and a barely visible numberplate. > Now the road nominated as where the alleged offence took place has both 60 > and 80 klm/h limits. As there is nothing reconisable to indicate where the > photograph was shot I assume it is just the word of the cop to prove it was > even in that particular road. They don't do hand held cameras in NSW. That means the cop was in a car, parked by the side of the road. They'd have been given a place to park, and a set of times to be there, and all that would be logged. I've chatted[1] to a poor bored bastard with that job.... So you'd have to show that the police faked the logs and jobsheets and set the car up somewhere else than where they had stated. Good luck unless you can find witnesses who can recall the car parked elsewhere... Zebee [1] I'd just fitted the bicycle speedo in place of the Vagueliar originaly on the hack Guzzi so took the opportunity to ask him to help me test the calibration. Having someone to talk to, even for 5 mins, instead of sitting staring at the speedtrap screen was clearly a wonderful break for him. IMNSHO You have a single ground to challenge it - is the number plate definitely yours - is there any uncertainty about whether that's a U or a V for example. Otherwise you're screwed the speed camera legislatio in Oz pretty much gives you bugger all wiggle room. Would probably help to know what state you're in, I know WA has slightly different laws. I doubt your location defence has legs and I'm pretty sure you'll make it worse if you try it on, but, <shrug> it's your money licence and time, do what you think best. Usual disclaimers, IANAL, advice is worth what you paid for it and should be treated appropriately etc etc Go see a lawyer, it's their job to represent your case, so if there's a loophole (unlikely) a decent one should find it JL > I recently received in the mail a speed camera fine which charges me with > exceeding a 60 klm/h limit by 24 klm/h. [quoted text clipped - 17 lines] > > Bada. >I recently received in the mail a speed camera fine which charges me with >exceeding a 60 klm/h limit by 24 klm/h. [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > indicate where the photograph was shot I assume it is just the word of the > cop to prove it was even in that particular road. The photo should have the location where the speeding offence took place, read it and go there with a camera and see if you can duplicate the location, then look for the speed restriction signs, take photos of them , note their location, if you think the info is wrong on the ticket > In person-to-cop tickets there is no argument that you are where you are. > But to receive a ticket 10 days later your recollection is not precise you > have to trust that the cop is not trying to screw you. This always happens, most times you cannot even recall travelling in the area > Does anyone know if this type of defence has been used successfilly > before. > "Yes judge I was doing 84. You don't have to prove to me that the camera > is accurate. Bit silly even admitting you were over the limit even by a small margin I went to court to contest a speeding charge and denied that it was me doing the alledged speed of 125 kph in a 60 kph zone, even though the copper who pulled me over drew his gun so that I would not flee the scene I had the cop beaten because he had no physical evidence that it was me doing that speed, just his estimation as he could not go faster than 125 kph at the time because of traffic, Then the magistrate asked me if I "may have gone over the speed limit a little bit:", I foolishly admitted I might have gone over by a couple of kilometres per hour If I had not said that, I would have not been fined If looks could kill, the copper would have got me that day after we walked out of the court house > But judge I was in an 80 zone. Now you prove to me that that picture was > taken in a 60 zone." The exact location will be on the ticket, check it out. frosty. [...(stuff about doing 125 in a (presumably) built up area in heavy traffic)...] >I had the cop beaten because he had no physical evidence that it was me >doing that speed, just his estimation as he could not go faster than 125 kph >at the time because of traffic, Geez, it's a wonder the magistrate didn't throw away the key. >Then the magistrate asked me if I "may have gone over the speed limit a >little bit:", >I foolishly admitted I might have gone over by a couple of kilometres per >hour >If I had not said that, I would have not been fined Betcha would've! SignatureMr H > [...(stuff about doing 125 in a (presumably) built up area in heavy > traffic)...] [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > > Betcha would've! According to that magistrate I would not have > Bit silly even admitting you were over the limit even by a small margin > I went to court to contest a speeding charge and denied that it was me > doing the alledged speed of 125 kph in a 60 kph zone, > even though the copper who pulled me over drew his gun so that I would not > flee the scene Drew his gun? where and when was this? I'm pretty sure they are not allowed to do that! >> Bit silly even admitting you were over the limit even by a small margin >> I went to court to contest a speeding charge and denied that it was me [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > > I'm pretty sure they are not allowed to do that! You know they are not allowed to do that I know they are not allowed to do that but he did and threatened to shoot me if I moved I didn't bring it up in court as I didn't think it would do me any good especially as the copper had all his mates around him >>> Bit silly even admitting you were over the limit even by a small margin >>> I went to court to contest a speeding charge and denied that it was me [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] >I know they are not allowed to do that >but he did and threatened to shoot me if I moved See George, you do seem to have that effect on some people. :) Johno Beer? >>>> Bit silly even admitting you were over the limit even by a small margin >>>> I went to court to contest a speeding charge and denied that it was me [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] > > Beer? Have you got your gun drawn Johno? bundy? >>>>> Bit silly even admitting you were over the limit even by a small margin >>>>> I went to court to contest a speeding charge and denied that it was me [quoted text clipped - 19 lines] > >bundy? No mate - sold them all - far too many from in here were ringing me up and asking if they could borrow! - no idea why though?? Johno > "Kiva" <a...@me.com> wrote in message > > Drew his gun? where and when was this? > [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > I know they are not allowed to do that > but he did and threatened to shoot me if I moved Dammit George, why didn't you call his bluff and run? Theo >> "Kiva" <a...@me.com> wrote in message > [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > >Theo :) Johno On Sep 14, 12:04 pm, "George W Frost" <georgewfr...@gmail.com> wrote: > "Kiva" <a...@me.com> wrote in message > > Drew his gun? where and when was this? > [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > I know they are not allowed to do that > but he did and threatened to shoot me if I moved Dammit George, why didn't you call his bluff and run? Theo = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = Just the reply I would expect from an idiot > On Sep 14, 12:04 pm, "George W Frost" <georgewfr...@gmail.com> wrote: >> "Kiva" <a...@me.com> wrote in message [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > > Just the reply I would expect from an idiot No, otherwise you'd have made the comment if it only took idiocy George. >> Dammit George, why didn't you call his bluff and run? >> >> = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = >> >> Just the reply I would expect from an idiot > No, otherwise you'd have made the comment if it only took idiocy George. No; it required wit too. SignatureClem (Actually; wit ONLY so George would've never been a chance!) >> "Kiva" <a...@me.com> wrote in message > [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > > Theo Dammit Theo that was a classic! Now to explain to the SO why I laughed so hard! :) >>> "Kiva" <a...@me.com> wrote in message >> [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > Now to explain to the SO why I laughed so hard! > :) She still wonders? Moike >>>> "Kiva" <a...@me.com> wrote in message >>> [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] > > Moike She always wonders...... ;) On Sep 14, 12:04 pm, "George W Frost" <georgewfr...@gmail.com> wrote: > "Kiva" <a...@me.com> wrote in message > > Drew his gun? where and when was this? > [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > I know they are not allowed to do that > but he did and threatened to shoot me if I moved Dammit George, why didn't you call his bluff and run? ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ [another guffaw] SignatureClem > > Bit silly even admitting you were over the limit even by a small margin > > I went to court to contest a speeding charge and denied that it was me [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > > I'm pretty sure they are not allowed to do that! the copper was a Aus.moto reader... mh >> > Bit silly even admitting you were over the limit even by a small margin >> > I went to court to contest a speeding charge and denied that it was me [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > >mh C'mon MH, be fair - we were all lined up at sometime or other! Johno Strongbow mate? (in response to some more George Frost stupidity) > Drew his gun? where and when was this? > > I'm pretty sure they are not allowed to do that! Yeah; sadly that mercy-killing bill got out-voted. SignatureClem Sorry to leave out a significan detail. It was in Queensland. Perfect one day..... I guess we should be grateful for that one day. One is better than never at all. SignatureRegards, Barry >I recently received in the mail a speed camera fine which charges me with >exceeding a 60 klm/h limit by 24 klm/h. [quoted text clipped - 18 lines] > > Bada. > Sorry to leave out a significan detail. > It was in Queensland. Perfect one day..... I guess we should be grateful [quoted text clipped - 22 lines] >> >> Bada. > I recently received in the mail a speed camera fine which charges me with > exceeding a 60 klm/h limit by 24 klm/h. [quoted text clipped - 17 lines] > > Bada. http://tinyurl.com/582q6z HTH betty, hoping the tinyurl works > http://tinyurl.com/582q6z > > HTH > > betty, hoping the tinyurl works It didn't go to the one I suspect you intended (photo of a cheque) - but they were amusing enough for me to go down the list until it appeared :-) Nice one JL >> http://tinyurl.com/582q6z >> [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > > JL LOL, how very odd. I just went there myself and what came up was a picture of a potato in a bathtub, and the caption "Mary didn't scrub up too bad for an old potato".... Ah well, so much for my very helpful advice... <snigger> The one I was trying to point the OP to was a pic of a man signing a cheque, with the caption "After the police sent him a photo of his car speeding, Ron sent them a photo of a cheque" betty >>> http://tinyurl.com/582q6z >>> [quoted text clipped - 19 lines] > > betty Was that the one where the police sent him back a photo of a set of handcuffs and the inside of the jail? > LOL, how very odd. I just went there myself and what came up was a > picture of a potato in a bathtub, and the caption "Mary didn't scrub > up too bad for an old potato".... Ah well, so much for my very helpful > advice... <snigger> That's the one I got. I wondered what the hell you were on about! :-) > The one I was trying to point the OP to was a pic of a man signing a > cheque, with the caption "After the police sent him a photo of his car > speeding, Ron sent them a photo of a cheque" I seem to remember a joke that goes along that line. Ron pays his fine after the cops send him a photo of a pair of handcuffs! GB SignatureMy friend Steve is an atheist. He has a bumper sticker that reads "Honk if you love Jesus". When someone honks, he gives them the finger. >I recently received in the mail a speed camera fine which charges me with >exceeding a 60 klm/h limit by 24 klm/h. [quoted text clipped - 18 lines] > > Bada. Pay the fine. The photo was enhanced to make the license plate clear. If you want to argue the actual zone then they'll happily bring to court the raw image which will show it was you, and where you were. > I recently received in the mail a speed camera fine which charges me with > exceeding a 60 klm/h limit by 24 klm/h. [quoted text clipped - 17 lines] > > Bada. Pay the fine and get on with life. This is not an opinion this is advice. Or Call Mark Steinberg.. he will give you some advice, wont be what you want to hear, it will be what everyone else has said so far. Its a bitch when everyone tells you what you dont wanna hear, and you have to accept it. >Pay the fine and get on with life. >This is not an opinion this is advice. > Or Call Mark Steinberg.. he will give you some advice, wont be what > you want to hear, it will be what everyone else has said so far. No, it won't. His advice would be to suggest that the OP consult a lawyer in Queensland. Try him then. >No, it won't. His advice would be to suggest that the OP consult a >lawyer in Queensland. Thanks everybody for the input. Like I said ...grasping at straws. I have only ever contested three speeding charges in my like and got off only two. And over the years that's two against dozens. Hey it's not that I speed a lot. Just done a lot of miles - then a lot of kilometers. SignatureRegards, Barry >I recently received in the mail a speed camera fine which charges me with >exceeding a 60 klm/h limit by 24 klm/h. [quoted text clipped - 18 lines] > > Bada. > Thanks everybody for the input. > > Like I said ...grasping at straws. I have only ever contested three > speeding charges in my like and got off only two. And over the years that's > two against dozens. Hey it's not that I speed a lot. Just done a lot of > miles - then a lot of kilometers. Trouble is that speeding fines have become a seriously big dollar earner for pretty well all states, and, to facilitate the collection of revenue, the regs. have been more and more made so that there isn't a way out. I suppose you could possibly try the Einfeld business of a mate from overseas was riding your bike, and that mate has returned O/S, or possibly died, since the offence, but I don't like your chances. I certainly take comfort in the fact that, according to my calculations, I am squillions of dollars ahead, counting the times I haven't been caught, against the times I have been pinged. regards, CrazyCam >> Thanks everybody for the input. >> [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] >revenue, the regs. have been more and more made so that there isn't a >way out. It's International I think. The Top Gear mob echo what we say here, over there. Maybe it will all get changed through a popular uprising or something. Not in this generation though, methinks. >I suppose you could possibly try the Einfeld business of a mate from >overseas was riding your bike, and that mate has returned O/S, or [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] >I am squillions of dollars ahead, counting the times I haven't been >caught, against the times I have been pinged. Amen to that Mr H On Sep 15, 8:55 am, mrhan...@qnr.com.au wrote: > >Trouble is that speeding fines have become a seriously big dollar > >earner for pretty well all states, and, to facilitate the collection of [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > It's International I think. The Top Gear mob echo what we say here, > over there. ...and when their police cars sprout forward-facing radar, they'll have something to actually complain about. the infringement notice must give the location SignatureRegards, Bada > the infringement notice must give the location It did give one but I did not state the actual road name. "Now the road nominated as where the alleged offence took place has both 60 and 80 klm/h limits" Problem is the photograph was almost completely blacked out and as far as anyone could tell from the image it could be an 80 klm/h zone where the camera shot me doing 84 klm/h.. To quote the second reply you got : Atec77 wrote: you are already lost because the pic is logged to a camera at a physical location , you have to prove otherwise >onus of proof is yours. Not sure how that can be made clearer short of using a larger font. > To quote the second reply you got : > [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > Not sure how that can be made clearer short of using a larger font. piece of 4by2? mh >> To quote the second reply you got : >> [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > > mh Yep sounds good .. paint it black, the writing on it in white .. in a large font .. and then smack the OP over the head with it. >>> To quote the second reply you got : >>> [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > Yep sounds good .. paint it black, the writing on it in white .. in a > large font .. and then smack the OP over the head with it. I will explain it slowly for you The image prooves 2 things. 1.It was my bike that was clocked at 84 klm/h 2 Nothing The "fact" that I was in a 60 zone is merely the word of the cop Of course the camera was in a "physical location" Isn't everything out side of the spirit world. But the image CERTAINLY does not prove, or even indicate where that location was. All we have is what the cop "logged" as the location. Now you are going to tell me that all speed cameras have a satellite connection. dah. Where's that piece of wood ? Bada >>>> To quote the second reply you got : >>>> [quoted text clipped - 17 lines] > > The "fact" that I was in a 60 zone is merely the word of the cop prove otherwise > Of course the camera was in a "physical location" as specified under the relevant act > Isn't everything out side of the spirit world. your point ? > But the image CERTAINLY does not prove, or even indicate where that location > was. perhaps not but the logged location of the camera places it in the 60k zone and production of the image indicates you exceeded the cam detection setting , hence you were speeding > All we have is what the cop "logged" as the location. as specified by the relevent act > Now you are going to tell me that all speed cameras have a satellite > connection. dah. no need it was looged to a location Duh > Where's that piece of wood ? you're going to sit on it? > Bada >> Where's that piece of wood ? > you're going to sit on it? I think he wants to see if he can fit it up his clacker. GB SignatureMy friend Steve is an atheist. He has a bumper sticker that reads "Honk if you love Jesus". When someone honks, he gives them the finger. >>> Where's that piece of wood ? >> you're going to sit on it? > > I think he wants to see if he can fit it up his clacker. > >GB I was going to suggest that he get it greased, coz that's almost certainly where it's going to wind up... Bill > >>> To quote the second reply you got : > [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > I will explain it slowly for you > The image prooves 2 things. no, its proves one thing.. its your problem mh >>>> To quote the second reply you got : >>>> [quoted text clipped - 25 lines] > connection. dah. > Where's that piece of wood ? My new mobile has a gps and can stick the co-ords on every photo you take. Can't see why speed cameras can't do it. Fraser On Sep 25, 10:40 am, Fraser Johnston <fra...@cjmanagement.com.au> wrote: > My new mobile has a gps and can stick the co-ords on every photo you > take. Can't see why speed cameras can't do it. Perhaps because they don't have GPS in the speed cameras ? JL I think you meant "can't understand why they haven't implemented that in speed cameras yet" ? > On Sep 25, 10:40 am, Fraser Johnston <fra...@cjmanagement.com.au> > wrote: [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > I think you meant "can't understand why they haven't implemented that > in speed cameras yet" ? they dont need it by law, they have other ways of proving it.. mh >> On Sep 25, 10:40 am, Fraser Johnston <fra...@cjmanagement.com.au> >> wrote: [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > > they dont need it by law, they have other ways of proving it.. In fact you're half right. They don't need it by law part is fine, they don't actually prove it though - they just assert it, and under legislation (in NSW and Vic anyway) that's good enough JL > >> On Sep 25, 10:40 am, Fraser Johnston <fra...@cjmanagement.com.au> > >> wrote: [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > don't actually prove it though - they just assert it, and under > legislation (in NSW and Vic anyway) that's good enough not on the fine.. but in a court of law I will bet you my left testicle they could prove it without a shadow of a doubt, and thats all they have to do. put the GPS coordinates on a fine would just be a value added service to the finee, and the finers are not into value adding :) mh |
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