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Motorcycle Forum / Country Specific / Australian Group / September 2008Help ? Welder in this area ? :)
Does anyone feel like giving a mech noob a hand ? I've had an exhaust rattle for a bit, so today I cracked the sh.ts and took it off to see the cause. Anyway there's a tube from the front cylinder to a "box" which then goes to the muffler itself via another tube. The second cylinder's exhaust also attaches onto the box thing. I presume the box contains the catalytic converter or whatever. Anyway it contains *something* because the bastard rattles when I shake it. Short of replacing it, cutting the box open and removing (or fixing in place) the offending loose part seems to be the only option. The idea of welding something scares the crap out of me, inasmuch as I don't have a welder, nor do I know anyone with one. This link should be to a grab of the manual with the bit I'm on about marked. http://img509.imageshack.us/img509/9646/exhys5.jpg Be nice if imageshack just gave you a vanilla URL.. I'm in the Port Macquarie area as many of you'd know. Thanks in advance. > Does anyone feel like giving a mech noob a hand ? > [quoted text clipped - 18 lines] > > http://img509.imageshack.us/img509/9646/exhys5.jpg I've always known that part as a collector box fwiw. Anyways I strongly recommend you get a professional to do it. Welding well isn't easy, and thin metal like that is quite difficult to do well (ie not burn holes in it while still actually making the thing stick. Any decent engineering firm should be able to do it. >> Does anyone feel like giving a mech noob a hand ? >> [quoted text clipped - 26 lines] > > Any decent engineering firm should be able to do it. A collector box is simply a chamber allowing multiple headers to be joined together to feed into a single catalytic converter and silencer. They usually don't have very much inside them, if anything, although maybe his has a baffle which has broken loose. I´d be talking to the dealer before going to an engineering firm - IIRC collector boxes are not designed to be easily opened.  SignatureRegards Andrew > Does anyone feel like giving a mech noob a hand ? > [quoted text clipped - 24 lines] > > Thanks in advance. Yeebers. I'd seriously consider getting the box cut out and a Y piece collector welded in place. As mentioned before, an engineering firm can do it or take it to a car exhaust shop. justAL > > Does anyone feel like giving a mech noob a hand ? > [quoted text clipped - 31 lines] > As mentioned before, an engineering firm can do it or take it to a car > exhaust shop. While that is a cheap solution, you MAY find you lose power when you do it. Collector boxes (usually) actually do more than just conveniently joining pipes together - they are (should be(1)) part of a tuned exhaust system. The power characteristics (and exhaust note) of the TRX and TDM are slightly different despite identical motors - the main (mechanical) difference is the presence/absence of the collector box - the exhausts are quite similar IIRC. JL (1) while noting that not all bikes are as well planned as they should be - it probably makes zero difference on an 80's 250 for example >> > Does anyone feel like giving a mech noob a hand ? >> [quoted text clipped - 45 lines] >(1) while noting that not all bikes are as well planned as they should >be - it probably makes zero difference on an 80's 250 for example Yeah - good advice. My busa had a couple of Yoshi cans on it when I bought it second hand. It caused an amazing amount of coughing and spluttering as the exhausts weren't matched to the fuel mapping any more. It took a Power Commander and $2k later from fitting and dynot tuning before the bike performed correctly. Fun factor is we did end up with 138kW at the rear wheel though :-) > Collector boxes (usually) actually do more than just conveniently > joining pipes together - they are (should be(1)) part of a tuned > exhaust system. The power characteristics (and exhaust note) of the > TRX and TDM are slightly different despite identical motors - the main > (mechanical) difference is the presence/absence of the collector box - > the exhausts are quite similar IIRC. Didn't TRiXie have a different crank & 270° firing order to make it sound more 'Ducati' while the other had the TeDiouM of a standard inline twin firing pattern? Nev.. '07 XB12X > > Collector boxes (usually) actually do more than just conveniently > > joining pipes together - they are (should be(1)) part of a tuned [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > sound more 'Ducati' while the other had the TeDiouM of a standard inline > twin firing pattern? As far as I'm aware they both had the same firing pattern. Which is to say I've not ever seen anything to suggest otherwise but it doesn't mean you're wrong. A quick google suggests we're both right. http://www.visordown.com/articles/view/used_review_yamaha_tdm_850/900/4326.html According to that the TDM changed to the 270 deg firing order in 1996 - the only TDM's I've heard have been relatively current models (in particular I was thinking of Al Pennykid's ~2000 model TDM850 when I wrote the above). On the run I did with him and Postman Pat (and Roscoe & I forget who else) to Ginger's Creek in about 2001 was when I first compared them and was quite surprised at the difference. JL Yes, the 180 firing order would sound different again :-) > > > Collector boxes (usually) actually do more than just conveniently > > > joining pipes together - they are (should be(1)) part of a tuned [quoted text clipped - 24 lines] > JL > Yes, the 180 firing order would sound different again :-) Al's 1991 and my 1992 TDM both had the 180 crank. The second generation TDM850s used the 270 crank,and the 900s use a 270 also. Best bike I ever owned.... :-) Pat (still planning to trade the Slapper for a new TDM--sometime...) >>>> Collector boxes (usually) actually do more than just conveniently >>>> joining pipes together - they are (should be(1)) part of a tuned [quoted text clipped - 26 lines] > The second generation TDM850s used the 270 crank,and the 900s use a > 270 also. Hmmm. But what year model was the TDM he rode on our foray to the wilds of Gingers Creek ? It was in bloody good nick if that was a 10 yr old bike ! JL (would explain the diff in exhaust note though !!) > >>>> Collector boxes (usually) actually do more than just conveniently > >>>> joining pipes together - they are (should be(1)) part of a tuned [quoted text clipped - 34 lines] > > - Show quoted text - It must have been earlier than 2001--I think I may have been on my Dominator (bought Jan 97 and traded early 01 for a CBR600). Of course,I could be wrong... Pat >> Hmmm. But what year model was the TDM he rode on our foray to the wilds >> of Gingers Creek ? It was in bloody good nick if that was a 10 yr old bike ! [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > Dominator (bought Jan 97 and traded early 01 for a CBR600). > Of course,I could be wrong... Can't have been any earlier than 2000 'cos that's the year I bought the TRX I'm pretty sure, hang on, google will know. here we go. Jan 2001 http://groups.google.com.au/group/aus.motorcycles/browse_frm/thread/4b70048d16b8 1a0d/fcdffdce327f20a6?hl=en&lnk=st&q=#fcdffdce327f20a6 Tim M, Bruce on the Muz (haven't seen him on here in years), Al P, Ross on the ST, Postman Pat (got lost again), I can't figure out who else went as google groups search is totally borked and I can't find the ride report I remember doing. ;-( I did find the Hamish thread about the Canberra ride a couple of weeks later though :-) Geez I did a lot of K's that month - probably more than I did in the last 6months of this year ;-( JL >>> Hmmm. But what year model was the TDM he rode on our foray to the wilds >>> of Gingers Creek ? It was in bloody good nick if that was a 10 yr old [quoted text clipped - 24 lines] > later though :-) Geez I did a lot of K's that month - probably more than > I did in the last 6months of this year ;-( sh.t, I just found the ride report - it was your TDM Pat !! Al was on the VTR JL In aus.motorcycles on Tue, 30 Sep 2008 23:21:30 +1000 > Tim M, Bruce on the Muz (haven't seen him on here in years), Al P, Ross Met him at an AMC meeting a month or two back. Muz still happily going, Ducati RT all restored. Zebee |
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