> >> Hi folks.
> >>
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> I think it has more to do with the end of the caliper which is anchored
> to the fork having more braking force than the end which is trailing.

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> touque around the axle to provide the same braking force no matter how
> you mount the calipers..
From memory, at the same time they changed to radial mounted calipers
(I think it was on the ZX10R), they 'downgraded' from 6 piston to 4
piston calipers because they reckoned the improvement in braking with
radial mounting was so great that an improvement in braking could still
be achieved while a further weight saving was realised. Discuss.
Nev..
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Knobdoodle - 27 Sep 2008 09:59 GMT
> From memory, at the same time they changed to radial mounted calipers (I
> think it was on the ZX10R), they 'downgraded' from 6 piston to 4 piston
> calipers because they reckoned the improvement in braking with radial
> mounting was so great that an improvement in braking could still be
> achieved while a further weight saving was realised. Discuss.
Yeah but EVERYBODY downgraded from 6 piston callipers; radially mounted or
not.
I think that's more of an indication that the 6 piston callipers were a
fashion item (that went out of fashion) than "increased braking
performance".

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> I understand it's mostly a fashion thing on streetbikes -
And not only that - it's a vile misnomer; a set of radial anything needs
to converge to a common centre point. As the mounting bolts on a
radial-mount caliper are parallel to each other, they don't qualify.
They should call them parallel-mount, or something, referrring to the
orientation of the caliper mounting bolt relative to the plane of the
brake disc... under that convention, normal calipers would be
transverse-, perpendicular- or orthogonal-mounted... or just
regular-mounted.
> they were originally built for race bikes where the disk
> diameters were changed to suit the tracks/conditions - it's
> easier to space the caliper out on radially oriented mounting
> bolts than to replace the mounting brackets (which for maximal
> strength are often part of the fork bottom casting).
Thoroughly true, and very rarely acknowledged.
*yoinck* Ah, the advantages of living like a slob. Reach down from the
couch to the floor, retrieve December 2006 issue of "Performance Bikes"
featuring a large pic of Carl Fogarty next to his 1998 WSB title-winning
996. The regular-mount caliper mounting arm on the Ohlins fork, cast
integral with the magnesium fork bottom (now there's a component
drastically in need of a rename[1]) and milled out for lightness,
features two sets of caliper mounting bolt holes, spaced what look to be
~20mm apart.
The following year, factory Ducatis (and GP bikes running Ohlins) got
parallel-mount calipers for the first time.
> Then the marketing people got involved, and started telling the
> motorcycle journalists about "improved feel" (which is about as
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> touque around the axle to provide the same braking force no matter how
> you mount the calipers..
Some of that'll be attributable to Chinese whispers... the first bits of
gumpf about parallel-mount calipers acknowledge that the benefits are in
the greater stiffness of the mounting of the caliper to the fork...
because the caliper is fixed at both the leading and the trailing end
(with respect to disc rotation - and, note, there's no reason why this
can't be done with regular mounting), rather than just the trailing end,
if the disc flexes from side to side, it doesn't take the caliper with
it, and because there are now two shorter, spaced-out mounting arms
instead of a single longer one, there'll be less azimuthal movement of
the caliper... get on the picks, the disc tries to take the caliper with
it, caliper mounting arm doesn't let it, there's less flexion with the
parallel-mount arrangement.
The mounting can be made more compact, lighter etc... the difference in
performance might be SFA, but it makes for inherently better
engineering, like mounting the calipers behind the forkleg instead of in
front, or stacking the gearbox shafts on top of one another, so why not
do it?
[1] If you're Caucausian, and you let one go in the company of some
Native American, then lie about it, would they be correct in stating
that white man speaks with fork bottom?
Knobdoodle - 27 Sep 2008 10:05 GMT
> [1] If you're Caucausian, and you let one go in the company of some Native
> American, then lie about it, would they be correct in stating that white
> man speaks with fork bottom?
These are the types of questions that NEED to be asked!!

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[applause] by the way.