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Motorcycle Forum / Country Specific / Australian Group / November 2008Robbed again
This time the miserable bastards nicked my Honda tractor lawnmower 14 out of my 24 solar power system batteries, and numerous tools and such. I spent today chatting with the police and packing up what was left of the items of value to bring back to town. Henceforth Funkytown will be a barren caravan and couple of relatively dark and empty sheds. BTH > This time the miserable bastards nicked my Honda tractor lawnmower 14 > out of my 24 solar power system batteries, and numerous tools and [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > > BTH sh.t. Moike >This time the miserable bastards nicked my Honda tractor lawnmower 14 >out of my 24 solar power system batteries, and numerous tools and >such. >I spent today chatting with the police and packing up what was left of >the items of value to bring back to town. Henceforth Funkytown will >be a barren caravan and couple of relatively dark and empty sheds. Effing mongrels !!! Onya bike... Gerry > This time the miserable bastards nicked my Honda tractor lawnmower 14 > out of my 24 solar power system batteries, and numerous tools and [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > > BTH Bastards! Do you think it was a return visit or a whole new set of bastards? betty >> This time the miserable bastards nicked my Honda tractor lawnmower 14 >> out of my 24 solar power system batteries, and numerous tools and [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > > betty Dog sniff > This time the miserable bastards nicked my Honda tractor lawnmower 14 > out of my 24 solar power system batteries, and numerous tools and [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > > BTH There are ways but you took the sensible option , shame though > This time the miserable bastards nicked my Honda tractor lawnmower 14 > out of my 24 solar power system batteries, and numerous tools and [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > > BTH Bad news, buddy. Sorry to hear it happening again. Kim That sucks BT :( G-S > This time the miserable bastards nicked my Honda tractor lawnmower 14 > out of my 24 solar power system batteries, and numerous tools and [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > > BTH Sorry to hear the bad news. They've stolen two things you will have to replace. Make sure you go all over the others with a permanent marker pen to reduce their resale value. Got to protect your assets. BTW - has anyone here had experience using PIR-activated security cameras? I saw one in the Dick Smith catalog for about $150. It's battery powered (no external wiring), motion activated, and saves images onto an SD card. Don't know anything else about it. I was toying with the idea of getting one (no electricity where I keep my bike) but the thing that's holding me back is that it comes from Dick Smith. Are they any use? > BTW - has anyone here had experience using PIR-activated security > cameras? I saw one in the Dick Smith catalog for about $150. It's [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > bike) but the thing that's holding me back is that it comes from Dick > Smith. Are they any use? Dunno about their usefulness but as a general rule of thumb, check out the jaycar catalogue before buying anything from Dick Smith, they'll usually have it cheaper and in stock... JL (i think they do mail order as well if you don't have one in your location) >> This time the miserable bastards nicked my Honda tractor lawnmower 14 >> out of my 24 solar power system batteries, and numerous tools and [quoted text clipped - 17 lines] > bike) but the thing that's holding me back is that it comes from Dick > Smith. Are they any use? Contact either veelock.com ( an Ozzie company) or averfocus.com.au local to you for such equipment >> This time the miserable bastards nicked my Honda tractor lawnmower 14 >> out of my 24 solar power system batteries, and numerous tools and [quoted text clipped - 17 lines] > bike) but the thing that's holding me back is that it comes from Dick > Smith. Are they any use? To be honest, having the storage inside the camera is a bit iffy. Someone can just steal that and probably fit it under the pillion seat .. and if they find an SD card in it's that's probably going to be worth as much as the camera (if not more, as it has 'their' evidence on it..) > It's battery powered (no external wiring), motion activated, and saves > images onto an SD card. What stops them stealing the camera along with the SD card? >> It's battery powered (no external wiring), motion activated, and saves >> images onto an SD card. > > What stops them stealing the camera along with the SD card? The hidden camera under a rock. sorry to hear about the thefts BT may the crims lode their nads in a horrible accident. >>> It's battery powered (no external wiring), motion activated, and saves >>> images onto an SD card. [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] >sorry to hear about the thefts BT may the crims lode their nads in a >horrible accident. Go the lode!! Johno Beer ya victorian poof (tm)? > > It's battery powered (no external wiring), motion activated, and saves images onto an SD card. > > What stops them stealing the camera along with the SD card? Oh yeah... I hadn't thought of that. I suppose wireless security cameras rely on a few things that I haven't explicitly stated in order to work. I haven't ever broken and entered (so I can't speak from experience) but surely most crims are either type I or type II? Type I: looking for something of value to nick. Little beige box on ceiling often goes completely unnoticed. Type II: knows that your M/C is there and wants it as quickly as possible. Wary of alarms. What better legal-to-own 'booby trap' than a PIR activated camera? Either way, your hapless crim is going to find himself wasting valuable time frantically searching for a ladder (if there is one) so they can get high enough to reach the box you have stuck with Araldite out of reach... when they could've been helping themselves to your lovely goods. But does it work? Perhaps your average house-breaker does actually looking for cams - and even follow the wires if necessary as part of the job. Even if it did get taken, I'd have the satisfaction of knowing I'd made them break into a sweat for a bit. VTR250 <google@m-streeter.demon.co.uk> wrote in news:2da7084b-3414-4492- 863f-efb77c794bc0@v39g2000pro.googlegroups.com: > But does it work? Perhaps your average house-breaker does actually > looking for cams - and even follow the wires if necessary as part of > the job. Even if it did get taken, I'd have the satisfaction of > knowing I'd made them break into a sweat for a bit. I like the idea of shipping the images off-site as soon as they're taken (might be a bit tricky from Funky Town) via the 'net. When I had the ill-fated cameras in my office at work, the interesting pictures were on a server at my home in about 10-15 seconds. It's an interesting problem from a geekery perspective, but I remain unconvinced that it achieves anything other than some nice pictures of your pride-and-joy being stolen. GB -- .sig > VTR250 <google@m-streeter.demon.co.uk> wrote in news:2da7084b-3414-4492- > 863f-efb77c794bc0@v39g2000pro.googlegroups.com: [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] > -- > .sig There is in fact a device looking rather like a usb stick which can be interfaces to the cctv cam and uses a sim to be called or call out... Type III: Wear a black long-sleeved tracksuit and a balaclava and ignore the cameras all together ? > Type III: Wear a black long-sleeved tracksuit and a balaclava and ignore the > cameras all together Type IIIa: all of the above, with the smarts to grab whatever is handy and smash the flimsy camera - who needs a ladder when you can throw? > > Type III: Wear a black long-sleeved tracksuit and a balaclava and ignore the > > cameras all together > > Type IIIa: all of the above, with the smarts to grab whatever is handy > and smash the flimsy camera - who needs a ladder when you can throw? I'm not convinced. Go to the cop shop and have a look at the people waiting to be processed after some light-finger work. They're all in jeans and trainers, not dressed like the SAS on a mission. This is especially true of people who are just scoping the place to see what's there - it attracts attention going around with a balaclava so you wouldn't do it unless you were going for something specific. And if he wants to stand there with a catapult trying to hit it with a marble, my point about wasting time still holds and the images will be on a memory card. I'm even more tempted to try one out as a result of these objections. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D96QM-lzLM8&feature=related I don't think he got his bike back... AND this is on a busy main road during daylight hours. > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D96QM-lzLM8&feature=related > > I don't think he got his bike back... > > AND this is on a busy main road during daylight hours. Fair point. But in this case the bike didn't simply vanish into thin air. The police know it was taken by a gang. They also know how many people, the make and colour of the vehicle and the exact date and time. If they are ever caught there is a chance the details will be linked to other crimes. Whilst I wont go into the details of what they can or can't piece together, I have no doubt the picture has helped with the investigation (and the insurance claim). Also, after seeing how the theft occurred, the owner has learned something: this rider knows how leaving the steering lock on would have made it take longer. He knows they probably drove around looking for suitable targets and now realises what made his bike a target: no disk lock and no steering lock as a minimum. He will probably use a heavy chain to secure his next bike to a post. > >http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D96QM-lzLM8&feature=related > [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] > disk lock and no steering lock as a minimum. He will probably use a > heavy chain to secure his next bike to a post. ...my points being that 1. an image would be useful to both the owner and the police and 2. I see from that footage people didn't dress like Ninja warriors and ignored the cameras. Not a spade in sight! I agree though. If I had the choice, I'd love to see the footage of the perps ripping me off. I imagine it feels slightly better to know what happend and how they did it rather than have to wonder. > On Nov 19, 9:50 pm, "Kiva" <a...@me.com> wrote: > [quoted text clipped - 18 lines] > disk lock and no steering lock as a minimum. He will probably use a > heavy chain to secure his next bike to a post. ...my points being that 1. an image would be useful to both the owner and the police and 2. I see from that footage people didn't dress like Ninja warriors and ignored the cameras. Not a spade in sight! > I agree though. If I had the choice, I'd love to see the footage of the > perps ripping me off. I imagine it feels slightly better to know what > happend and how they did it rather than have to wonder. To put it another way - if you're going to get screwed, wouldn't you at least like to see the person who did it? > I agree though. If I had the choice, I'd love to see the footage of the > perps ripping me off. I imagine it feels slightly better to know what [quoted text clipped - 26 lines] > and the police and 2. I see from that footage people didn't dress like > Ninja warriors and ignored the cameras. Not a spade in sight! This is what I was thinking about. http://www.swann.com.au/s/products/view/?product=344 Might be useful if you don't have a power supply to the area. But I can already imagine the criticism that this post will generate before I've hit 'Send'. > I agree though. If I had the choice, I'd love to see the footage of the > perps ripping me off. I imagine it feels slightly better to know what [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > and the police and 2. I see from that footage people didn't dress like > Ninja warriors and ignored the cameras. Not a spade in sight! This is what I was thinking about. http://www.swann.com.au/s/products/view/?product=344 Might be useful if you don't have a power supply to the area. But I can already imagine the criticism that this post will generate before I've hit 'Send'. -------------------------------------------------------------------------- Don't know what BTH's situation is on his block, but the review says for indoor use It would only be good for a well lighted area, ot maybe it could be slightly covered and weatherproofed if outdoors It also doesn't say how fast the images are taken, only that 30,000 can be taken on the card . over a 7 day period, at 2 to 3 pics a minute that takes up the 1 Gb card I suppose that a larger card could be used for a faster rate if it will take it >> I agree though. If I had the choice, I'd love to see the footage of the >> perps ripping me off. I imagine it feels slightly better to know what [quoted text clipped - 26 lines] > I suppose that a larger card could be used for a faster rate if it will > take it Just been in touch with them and it maybe of use for a weekender. It will take a 1 Gb card and the pics are taken about 1 per second motion activated It would have to be in an area where there is good light but in a small town or area where everyone knows everyone else, even a blurred image would be recognizable Show it in the pub on a laptop and you will have the thief or thieves instantly The bike did have a disk lock and steering lock according to the original owner. That is why the thieves lifted the front wheel off the ground. Yes a heavy chain secured to a post may have slowed them down but from what I've heard not for more than a few seconds. On Nov 19, 9:50 pm, "Kiva" <a...@me.com> wrote: > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D96QM-lzLM8&feature=related > > I don't think he got his bike back... > > AND this is on a busy main road during daylight hours. Fair point. But in this case the bike didn't simply vanish into thin air. The police know it was taken by a gang. They also know how many people, the make and colour of the vehicle and the exact date and time. If they are ever caught there is a chance the details will be linked to other crimes. Whilst I wont go into the details of what they can or can't piece together, I have no doubt the picture has helped with the investigation (and the insurance claim). Also, after seeing how the theft occurred, the owner has learned something: this rider knows how leaving the steering lock on would have made it take longer. He knows they probably drove around looking for suitable targets and now realises what made his bike a target: no disk lock and no steering lock as a minimum. He will probably use a heavy chain to secure his next bike to a post. >>> Type III: Wear a black long-sleeved tracksuit and a balaclava and ignore the >>> cameras all together [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > > I'm even more tempted to try one out as a result of these objections. Many garages also have an assorted of long sticks with large metal bits attached to the ends, known as 'garden tools'. You don't need to throw, and you don't even need to be that bright or reach that far - just pick up the nearest rake/shovel and go 'whack'. Are you seriously going to tell me that the cheap plastic shell of a is going to withstand a couple of solid hits from a metal shovel? VTR250 <google@m-streeter.demon.co.uk> wrote in news:66a2256e-745b-41f4- 8d50-5b8b526bd041@b31g2000prb.googlegroups.com: > Sorry to hear the bad news. They've stolen two things you will have > to replace. Make sure you go all over the others with a permanent > marker pen to reduce their resale value. Got to protect your assets. Yeah, fantasic idea. I'm going to run around my house and deface all of my assets right now, on the off chance that something gets stolen one day. > BTW - has anyone here had experience using PIR-activated security > cameras? Yeah. Security cameras are a fantastic way to get images of your bike being stolen. That's it. That's all they do. Completely effing useless as a preventative measure, and completely effing useless insofar as getting your stuff back is concerned. GB  SignatureMy friend Steve is an atheist. He has a bumper sticker that reads "Honk if you love Jesus". When someone honks, he gives them the finger. > VTR250 <goo...@m-streeter.demon.co.uk> wrote in news:66a2256e-745b-41f4- > 8d50-5b8b526bd...@b31g2000prb.googlegroups.com: [quoted text clipped - 19 lines] > My friend Steve is an atheist. He has a bumper sticker that reads "Honk > if you love Jesus". When someone honks, he gives them the finger. Ouch! So you don't have a very high opinion of that idea then? I have to say though, if something (eg. a mobile phone) gets stolen then you are unlikely to see it again. If your name and home phone number isn't on it (scratched on the outside - not stored in the SIM in case the battery is flat) then you will definitely never see it again. Keep your prized possessions in as-new condition if you might sell them on - otherwise you are keeping it mint for the next owner. I realised that after being throttled and mugged one night. > VTR250 <google@m-streeter.demon.co.uk> wrote in news:66a2256e-745b-41f4- > 8d50-5b8b526bd041@b31g2000prb.googlegroups.com: [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > effing useless as a preventative measure, and completely effing > useless insofar as getting your stuff back is concerned. if it is just a cam yes , but there is much more you can do ... at a cost.. > GB > This time the miserable bastards nicked my Honda tractor lawnmower 14 > out of my 24 solar power system batteries, and numerous tools and [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > > BTH Bummer - just heard from my supplier that PV panels will cost about 30% more, starting next year - due to demand and AUD$. Right now, locally made BP panels are cheaper than anything imported. Maybe I'd better get my panels engraved, or something. SignatureBernie Dwyer There are no 'z' in my address > BTHumble wrote: > [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > > Maybe I'd better get my panels engraved, or something. They didn't take my panels, just the batteries. (Probably easier to fence). The panels are now safely locked up at my house in town. I think the key is to be unpredictable in your routine, and make sure you stay overnight at your weekender at least 5 days per week. BTH > I think the key is to be unpredictable in your routine, and make sure > you stay overnight at your weekender at least 5 days per week. Is it still a weekender if you're there 5 days a week? Theo >> BTHumble wrote: >> [quoted text clipped - 18 lines] >I think the key is to be unpredictable in your routine, and make sure >you stay overnight at your weekender at least 5 days per week. My sister has a holiday house in the Vic Alps. They have no problem because: [1] They are on a dead end road. [2] They have friendly and vigilant neighbours overlooking the property from high ground accross the road. Wannabe burglars have been "surprised" by shotgun-weilding hill billies on several occasions in the early days, but once the news filtered through the local pub scene, there have been no further attempts for over a decade now... Onya bike... Gerry > This time the miserable bastards nicked my Honda tractor lawnmower 14 > out of my 24 solar power system batteries, and numerous tools and [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > > BTH Bugger. I'm not sure what use the cops will be though - the only time I ever heard from them when the GPX was nicked was when I made the report! Maybe you should consider leaving a few things that seem valuable, but are in fact booby-trapped in some way? That'll teach the bastards a lesson they wont soon forget. > > This time the miserable bastards nicked my Honda tractor lawnmower 14 > > out of my 24 solar power system batteries, and numerous tools and [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > > Bugger. I'm not sure what use the cops will be though - for the police report, insurance companies usually require one > Maybe you should consider leaving a few things that seem valuable, but > are in fact booby-trapped in some way? That'll teach the bastards a > lesson they wont soon forget. and you in court up to your eyeballs in lawyers... not staying that's right, just the way it is sad stuff BT, its not so much the loss of things sometimes but the feeling of being violated and the distaste of having some prick pinching your stuff that you have worked hard for.. mh (why do a have a feeling Clem is going to have a field day with this post?) >>> This time the miserable bastards nicked my Honda tractor lawnmower 14 >>> out of my 24 solar power system batteries, and numerous tools and [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > and you in court up to your eyeballs in lawyers... > not staying that's right, just the way it is No, you just have to be careful in what you do and how you rig it up. :-) If nothing else, you've always got the fall back "but officer, it wasn't like that last time I was here - some bastard criminal must have boobytrapped it as a 'surprise' for me, and then this bastard criminal must have come along and copped it instead. Oh my, I am so sorry for what has happened to him..." Besides which, if we can't get the bastards for real, at least you can grant us the privilege of getting them in our dreams! > >>> This time the miserable bastards nicked my Honda tractor lawnmower 14 > >>> out of my 24 solar power system batteries, and numerous tools and [quoted text clipped - 24 lines] > Besides which, if we can't get the bastards for real, at least you can > grant us the privilege of getting them in our dreams! oh I agree... its just those pesky law makers that have no sense of humor mh On Nov 17, 9:48 pm, Damien <os...@taliban.gov.af> wrote: > BT Humble wrote: > > This time the miserable bastards nicked my Honda tractor lawnmower 14 [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > > Bugger. I'm not sure what use the cops will be though - for the police report, insurance companies usually require one > Maybe you should consider leaving a few things that seem valuable, but > are in fact booby-trapped in some way? That'll teach the bastards a > lesson they wont soon forget. and you in court up to your eyeballs in lawyers... not staying that's right, just the way it is sad stuff BT, its not so much the loss of things sometimes but the feeling of being violated and the distaste of having some prick pinching your stuff that you have worked hard for.. mh (why do a have a feeling Clem is going to have a field day with this post?) ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ [innocent face] Are you saying that pricks have often left a nasty taste in your mouth Marty? SignatureClem > On Nov 17, 9:48 pm, Damien <os...@taliban.gov.af> wrote: > [quoted text clipped - 32 lines] > -- > Clem but I didn't inhale... mh (feeling violated) >This time the miserable bastards nicked my Honda tractor lawnmower 14 >out of my 24 solar power system batteries, and numerous tools and [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > >BTH Bugga. Hoping karma is working overtime. Sorry to hear, BT, hope karma bites em in the bum for you. cheers j > This time the miserable bastards nicked my Honda tractor lawnmower 14 > out of my 24 solar power system batteries, and numerous tools and [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > > BTH >This time the miserable bastards nicked my Honda tractor lawnmower 14 >out of my 24 solar power system batteries, and numerous tools and [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > >BTH Sorry to hear that mate. Is insurance covering the cost? __ Cheers The Happy Drunk K100RT > On Sun, 16 Nov 2008 02:08:18 -0800 (PST),BTHumble > [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > > Is insurance covering the cost? Nope. Uninsured. BTH >> On Sun, 16 Nov 2008 02:08:18 -0800 (PST),BTHumble >> [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > >Nope. Uninsured. Bugga.... >BTH __ Cheers The Happy Drunk K100RT |
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