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Motorcycle Forum / Country Specific / Australian Group / November 2008Clem, Doug, Boxer
Your bikes still dry? Johno Beer? Dry towel? > Your bikes still dry? > > Johno > > Beer? Dry towel? None live; Out West in Chermside down the 'Coast' > Your bikes still dry? Stinking hot up here. The Wet season is coming though. I reckon I'll be in a position to start on the Pig after the Wet.  SignatureToosmoky Work to ride, Ride to Work... http://users.tpg.com.au/smokey61 > Your bikes still dry? > > Johno > > Beer? Dry towel? As I was in the Army in Brisbane during the 1974 floods helping evacuate flooded homes, I have subseqently specifically purchased houses that are located in well elevated areas. So I am high and dry, but I have had to drain several thousand litres of water out of the pool. I hope all ausmotarians are unaffected by the recent floods. It always makes me wonder why people/councils build on flood plains. Although if Clem's Triumph was washed away he could claim it on insurance (would be the fastest it has moved in a while). Boxer In aus.motorcycles on Thu, 20 Nov 2008 21:41:30 GMT > It always makes me wonder why people/councils build on flood plains. Because people always feel it won't happen to them. Or the buyers don't know and the council does know but can't stop tbe developers and the state government likes the money. THere's a housing development in WA that's not just on a floodplain but has areas that need pumping regularly. Electric pumps. And guess what tends to go first in a heavy storm? THe newspaper articles I saw were split between "these are modern times there's nothing to worry about" and "but I didn't know, the developers didn't tell me" Zebee > In aus.motorcycles on Thu, 20 Nov 2008 21:41:30 GMT >> It always makes me wonder why people/councils build on flood plains. > Or the buyers don't know How would you find out if you're not a local (or even then) ? If you haven't been around long enough to have seen a once in 25 year flood where do you go to look it up ? Newspaper archives ? They are rarely very precise. > THe newspaper articles I saw were split between "these are modern > times there's nothing to worry about" Two words - New Orleans. >and "but I didn't know, the > developers didn't tell me" Yeah well the white shoe brigade won't will they unless they are legally required to (looks meaningfully at the state MPs who carefully avoid my eye) JL In aus.motorcycles on Sat, 22 Nov 2008 07:59:01 +1100 >> In aus.motorcycles on Thu, 20 Nov 2008 21:41:30 GMT >>> It always makes me wonder why people/councils build on flood plains. [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > where do you go to look it up ? Newspaper archives ? They are rarely > very precise. Well.. rivers nearby are often a clue :) I live by the "Cooks River" which is a concrete channel with a trickle of water in it. In a really serious storm it can get to almost 2 feet deep in its 8 foot bed[1]. Further down the river when it's allowed out of its concrete prison it has flooded: around 20 years ago the Marrickville golf course was under water. I think if it floods badly enough to get to me then Sydney's going to be a declared disaster area[2]. I dunno how much building changes things. An area that used to be paddocks and is now asphalt will change the water flow in areas nearby, so what wasn't a flood area for the last 100 years might be now. Or one that was might no longer be. I believe you can find info about the rainfall of a particular area from the weather bureau and I'd imagine the local council can tell you about floods. The roads people will know for example. It's due diligence - if you are going to buy a house you should check these things. I remember Mum saying her father was indignant about people who bought houses without checking flood information, so it ain't all that new. Mind you, if you live where floods are common, then everyone knows and it's the price of doing business. See also Lismore. Zebee [1] I rode the pushie home through such a storm. The smaller channel upriver from me looked like you could white water raft on it, by the time it got to my section it was relatively calm but higher than I'd seen in. Still needed another 6 foot to get over the banks and another 2 foot to get to me. [2] and people will be immensely cheered by all the waterfront properties being destroyed. > In aus.motorcycles on Sat, 22 Nov 2008 07:59:01 +1100 >>> In aus.motorcycles on Thu, 20 Nov 2008 21:41:30 GMT [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] >> where do you go to look it up ? Newspaper archives ? They are rarely >> very precise. ...snip > I believe you can find info about the rainfall of a particular area > from the weather bureau With all due respect rainfall is generally irrelevant - most floods build up upstream. >and I'd imagine the local council can tell you > about floods. Mmmm in the country absolutely, in these new estates springing up daily around places like Liverpool and Campbelltown I'm skeptical. If you've not lived in a flood prone area you'd have no idea how far it can go - most people would think "I'm 5km from that river I'm safe" (assuming they even thought about it) but it's not the distance it's the lie of the land and as you say laying asphalt and concrete and other structures changes the flows as well. >The roads people will know for example. The same roads people who don't think it's necessary to repair culverts next to rivers at Mooney Mooney yeah that's a reliable source ;-) Seriously though - who would you talk to ? You walk into the RTA and say "I want to speak to someone about floods" and you're going to get a "back away from the crazy man" look and a suggestion to talk to the SES (or more likely something even less helpful) > It's due diligence - if you are going to buy a house you should check > these things. I remember Mum saying her father was indignant about > people who bought houses without checking flood information, so it > ain't all that new. Sure and back in those days you could actually talk to your local council and they'd try and help you (unless the developer was the mayor), and I'd still suggest country towns are different to Sydney in existence of the knowledge as well as the availability > Mind you, if you live where floods are common, then everyone knows and > it's the price of doing business. See also Lismore. Indeed JL > The same roads people who don't think it's necessary to repair culverts > next to rivers at Mooney Mooney yeah that's a reliable source ;-) > Seriously though - who would you talk to ? You walk into the RTA and say > "I want to speak to someone about floods" and you're going to get a > "back away from the crazy man" look and a suggestion to talk to the SES > (or more likely something even less helpful) Why would a recommendation to speak to the legally-designated combat agency for such events (which the SES is) be a less than helpful response? Seems like pretty good advice to me, since your local SES unit will be the ones with the expertise. They'll probably still refer you to your local council for detailed information on specific flood areas though. >> The same roads people who don't think it's necessary to repair >> culverts next to rivers at Mooney Mooney yeah that's a reliable source [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > agency for such events (which the SES is) be a less than helpful > response? Once again showing your reading comprehension problems hey Damien ? Re-read it and get back to me JL >>> The same roads people who don't think it's necessary to repair >>> culverts next to rivers at Mooney Mooney yeah that's a reliable [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > > JL No, the problem is with your own poorly-worded post. You said "or something even less helpful", which implies fairly clearly that you think a referral to the SES is itself not helpful. Don't blame me for your own lack of intelligence, thankyou. >>>> The same roads people who don't think it's necessary to repair >>>> culverts next to rivers at Mooney Mooney yeah that's a reliable [quoted text clipped - 17 lines] > think a referral to the SES is itself not helpful. Don't blame me for > your own lack of intelligence, thankyou. <squirm squirm> nope you ain't out yet keep trying JL >> No, the problem is with your own poorly-worded post. You said "or >> something even less helpful", which implies fairly clearly that you [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > > JL Nice try John, but it didn't work. >>> No, the problem is with your own poorly-worded post. You said "or >>> something even less helpful", which implies fairly clearly that you [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > > Nice try John, but it didn't work. Bollocks it didn't - you misquoted me in order to try and make out you're not too thick to be able to read a simple sentence. Keep trying you're not out off your petard yet JL >>>> No, the problem is with your own poorly-worded post. You said "or >>>> something even less helpful", which implies fairly clearly that you [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] > > JL No, I directly quoted you word for word. No wonder you can't understand my posts when you can't even understand your own! >>>>> No, the problem is with your own poorly-worded post. You said "or >>>>> something even less helpful", which implies fairly clearly that you [quoted text clipped - 18 lines] > No, I directly quoted you word for word. No wonder you can't understand > my posts when you can't even understand your own! <sigh> Your arugmentative idiocy knows no bounds original quote "and a suggestion to talk to the SES (or more likely something even less helpful)" your version " You said "or >>>>> something even less helpful", which implies fairly clearly that you >>>>> think a referral to the SES is itself not helpful." Which if you are capable of reading English (which you keep proving you aren't) clearly has two propositions - that if you ask the suggested question you'll likely get one of two answers: If you're lucky a helpful one 1. "go talk to the SES" or 2. "more likely, something even less helpful" ie "We're the RTA we register cars sorry nothing to with us" You've tried to concatenate two propositions into one. And then you try to justify that by changing what I said to try and make the statement less clear. Now if you can't read English, and you do keep proving that, then do stop arguing. "or something even less helpful" does not equal "or more likely something even less helpful" - the addition of the words "or more likely" in the context of the sentence clearly indicates a delineation of probability of a helpful option (it can be still read into your version but it is less clear - hence I assume why you misquoted), one option is helpful, the more likely scenario is an unhelpful answer. The relevance here is that it makes it clear that there are both 2 options and there is a distinct difference between them. OK now this is the part where you rant and rave in reply or utter flat nonsensical denials in order to try to convince yourself you're right- go for your life I'm done. You've failed to prove your case and you're still thick. JL Which reminds me, I really must work out why my blasted kill filter isn't working - thunderbird is a good email client but a rather crap usenet reader > JL > Which reminds me, I really must work out why my blasted kill filter > isn't working - thunderbird is a good email client but a rather crap > usenet reader It is only active on messages received after the rule is created >> JL >> Which reminds me, I really must work out why my blasted kill filter >> isn't working - thunderbird is a good email client but a rather crap >> usenet reader > > It is only active on messages received after the rule is created Mmm yeah I did find the button for applying the rule "retrospectively" ie on existing folder contents was missing (different newsgroup), however I dumped Damien in there yonks ago with Dubya - neither seems to work at all (I tried adding mark as read as well as delete and it didn't make any difference) hell I even RTFM'd the thunderbird web faq JL >>> JL >>> Which reminds me, I really must work out why my blasted kill filter [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > > JL I find it easier to just laugh derisively any time a post from someone idiotic comes up. Going to the trouble of putting them /in/ the killfile kinda indicates they've won on some level. Apathy works for me, but you must be the proactive type ;) I use TB as well. You should be able to amend the rule and run it to delete anything in the folder I would think .. ? > I find it easier to just laugh derisively any time a post from someone > idiotic comes up. It certainly works for me when reading JL's posts, I must say. Knowing that the mere sight of my name has such an effect on him is just the icing on the cake. :-) >> I find it easier to just laugh derisively any time a post from someone >> idiotic comes up. > > It certainly works for me when reading JL's posts, I must say. Knowing > that the mere sight of my name has such an effect on him Hmmm ? And what effect are you supposing to be the case? Killfiling you or dubya (if I can manage to make my newsreader do so) is just the same as not frequenting pubs full of bogan yobbos - it means the general ambience is more pleasant for not having to put up with it. JL >>> I find it easier to just laugh derisively any time a post from someone >>> idiotic comes up. [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > not frequenting pubs full of bogan yobbos - it means the general ambience > is more pleasant for not having to put up with it. It's actually better; you can still visit the pubs and enjoy the cheer but the bogan-yobbos are kept away behind a soundproof wall. Wouldn't that be great in meat-space! SignatureClem >>>> I find it easier to just laugh derisively any time a post from someone >>>> idiotic comes up. [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > It's actually better; you can still visit the pubs and enjoy the cheer but > the bogan-yobbos are kept away behind a soundproof wall. A much better analogy, ta. > Wouldn't that be great in meat-space! Oh yeah ! I'd pay top dollar for that :-) JL >>> I find it easier to just laugh derisively any time a post from >>> someone idiotic comes up. [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > > JL And yet here you are anyway, demonstrating your complete incompetence at implementing the very thing you praise, and continuing to respond to my posts as well. It's all very funny from where I'm sitting, I must say. :-) > I find it easier to just laugh derisively any time a post from someone > idiotic comes up. Going to the trouble of putting them /in/ the killfile > kinda indicates they've won on some level. Apathy works for me, but you > must be the proactive type ;) Rubbish! Whether you choose to not read an idiot's blatherings manually or automatically is irrelevant. You're a mug if you're letting some fear that "they've won on some level" waste your precious time reading or deleting idiocy! SignatureClem >> I find it easier to just laugh derisively any time a post from someone >> idiotic comes up. Going to the trouble of putting them /in/ the killfile [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > You're a mug if you're letting some fear that "they've won on some level" > waste your precious time reading or deleting idiocy! With 1.3Tb of space locally, and using about 30% of my download quota .. it's irrelevant :) Even now at the mention of one of them you're using exclamation marks, that's extra effort.. As an aside it also means I get to read the real fuckups and have a laugh, like a recent debate a few people had in on.. not sure which peanut made a bigger goose of themselves but if I did as you do, it would have been nowhere near as fun - 3/4 of the thread would have been missing.. :) Also if I ever want to see something jawj posts I don't have to humiliate myself by waiting 'til someone replies.. >>> I find it easier to just laugh derisively any time a post from someone >>> idiotic comes up. Going to the trouble of putting them /in/ the killfile [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > it's irrelevant :) Even now at the mention of one of them you're using > exclamation marks, that's extra effort.. I said "time" not "space". > As an aside it also means I get to read the real fuckups and have a laugh, > like a recent debate a few people had in on.. not sure which peanut made a > bigger goose of themselves but if I did as you do, it would have been > nowhere near as fun - 3/4 of the thread would have been missing.. :) Also > if I ever want to see something jawj posts I don't have to humiliate > myself by waiting 'til someone replies.. But that's illogical. If I WANTED so read a poster's messages I wouldn't have killfiled them. If you want to read them then obviously you wouldn't want to killfile. I know ABSOLUTLY UNEQUIVICABLY that I don't want to read them. Why on earth would I want them in my intray (and have to keep stepping over them)? It's just like a simple spam filter. SignatureClem > You've tried to concatenate two propositions into one. And then you try > to justify that by changing what I said to try and make the statement > less clear. No I haven't, you just don't know how to construct a sentence so that it actually conveys the intended meaning. In the sentence that you are struggling with at the moment, the key to your problem is the use of the word "even". It carries with it an attachment to the previous subject (ie. the SES) and negatively associates them with whatever it is that is "less helpful". If you try your sentence again with the word "even" then it does in fact then convey the meaning you are now claiming was your intent. ie. "and a suggestion to talk to the SES (or more likely something less helpful)". As I said before, don't blame me just because you can't make a strong enough connection between your (alleged) thoughts and your (actual) words. > Which reminds me, I really must work out why my blasted kill filter > isn't working - thunderbird is a good email client but a rather crap > usenet reader I think Thunderbird filters don't work at all with usenet. At least, not under Windows. SignatureRegards Andrew >> Which reminds me, I really must work out why my blasted kill filter >> isn't working - thunderbird is a good email client but a rather crap >> usenet reader >> > I think Thunderbird filters don't work at all with usenet. At least, not > under Windows. Mmm OK, given the very sparse contents of my killfile you could well be right. I may have to go to a dedicated newsreader. Any good suggestions for windoze news readers ? JL > Any good suggestions for windoze news readers ? xnews FTW. GB SignatureMy friend Steve is an atheist. He has a bumper sticker that reads "Honk if you love Jesus". When someone honks, he gives them the finger. >>> Which reminds me, I really must work out why my blasted kill filter >>> isn't working - thunderbird is a good email client but a rather crap [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > >Any good suggestions for windoze news readers ? Forte Agent www.forteinc.com/ The free version is a fully functional news reader Works for me, I haven't seen Damien in yonks. :)) SignatureMr H On Wed, 26 Nov 2008 08:35:53 +1100, I wrote: >>>> Which reminds me, I really must work out why my blasted kill filter >>>> isn't working - thunderbird is a good email client but a rather crap [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] >Works for me, I haven't seen Damien in yonks. >:)) Hmm, seems they've withdrawn Free Agent. Bummer. Anyway the full version works very well, and also works well under Wine in Linux. SignatureMr H >>> Which reminds me, I really must work out why my blasted kill filter >>> isn't working - thunderbird is a good email client but a rather crap [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > >JL Forte Agent. Do it. >>> Which reminds me, I really must work out why my blasted kill filter >>> isn't working - thunderbird is a good email client but a rather crap [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > > JL I saw TB3 beta was available the other day. It might be an idea to see what feature changes are coming in with the new release .. the overhaul of Firefox was pretty major, so I assume we can expect similar. >>> Which reminds me, I really must work out why my blasted kill filter >>> isn't working - thunderbird is a good email client but a rather crap [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > > JL No. As Mr Hankey discovered, Agent is no longer free. I think you can get the superseded (free) version here: http://www.archive.org/details/ForteFreeAgent3.3 I used Sun's VirtualBox to install Mandriva Linux and used Pan for a while (and that all worked very well) but it is a lot of trouble just to get a killfile working. Nobody on aus.moto is irritating enough to warrant that. SignatureRegards Andrew >>>> Which reminds me, I really must work out why my blasted kill filter >>>> isn't working - thunderbird is a good email client but a rather crap [quoted text clipped - 18 lines] >get a killfile working. Nobody on aus.moto is irritating enough to >warrant that. give it time :) Johno Beer? snip >> Any good suggestions for windoze news readers ? >> [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] >get a killfile working. Nobody on aus.moto is irritating enough to >warrant that. the killfile is disabled in free agent. I went the full version some time back to killfile h**z. Works fine. Bill > snip > [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > > Bill I have to say thatI've had no problems with thunderbird's message filter. Works fine here. Moike > I have to say thatI've had no problems with thunderbird's message > filter. Works fine here. > > Moike That's funny, you're right. I never get anything from you! SignatureRegards Andrew >> snip >> [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] > I have to say thatI've had no problems with thunderbird's message > filter. Works fine here. mmm fair enough so what am I doing wrong ? JL still seeing dubya and damien > mmm fair enough so what am I doing wrong ? > > JL > still seeing dubya and damien Dunno. I use the "create filter from message" menu item to set up a filter to mark the message as read. Posts from Hatz and his reincarnations appear, but they are marked as read, so the "next" button skips past them. I haven't found anyone else worth filtering in aus.moto, but there's a couple (mostly versions of ed dolan)from aus.bicycle in there as well. Moike >> mmm fair enough so what am I doing wrong ? >> [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > worth filtering in aus.moto, but there's a couple (mostly versions of ed > dolan)from aus.bicycle in there as well. Yeah it was actually Ed Dolan that prompted me to go to the trouble of setting up some filters - now THAT is an annoying person (as opposed to just thick) JL >> I have to say thatI've had no problems with thunderbird's message >> filter. Works fine here. [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > JL > still seeing dubya and damien I have no problems filtering using Thunderbird either. Maybe it's just you? :-) I'm flattered to think that you would go to such efforts on my behalf, but wouldn't it just be so much easier if you grew up and got over it? > Nobody on aus.moto is irritating enough to > warrant that. tap... tap... tap... Am I annoying you yet? tap tap tap tap tap tap tap tap tap tap tap tap tap tap tap How about now? GB SignatureMy friend Steve is an atheist. He has a bumper sticker that reads "Honk if you love Jesus". When someone honks, he gives them the finger. >> In aus.motorcycles on Thu, 20 Nov 2008 21:41:30 GMT >>> It always makes me wonder why people/councils build on flood plains. [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > where do you go to look it up ? Newspaper archives ? They are rarely > very precise. Councils are required by law to maintain up-to-date flood plans, and the information is easily and publicly available on request. If someone is too stupid to make that phone call, then they can't really complain - it's no different to getting pest/building inspections done at the same time. The fault does not lie with anyone other than the buyer/owner. > In aus.motorcycles on Thu, 20 Nov 2008 21:41:30 GMT >> [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > > Zebee On several occasions when valuing property I have noted in the report that the property was flooded in the 1974 floods, the owners got very angry about this as they had difficulty financing the property as banks don't like flooded property. Council searches show that the properties are not flood prone. However as I evacuated people out of these properties by boat during the 1974 floods I considered on site first hand experience to have more validity. When buying property do not take Council records as accurate, seek out the old lady who has lived in the street for 50 years, she is the one with the garden gnomes and she will invite you in for a cup of tea and tell you the history of the area. Who is doing what to who etc. It really surprises me that prospective home purchasers do not take the time to meet the neighbours before buying a home. Boxer > It really surprises me that prospective home purchasers do not take the time > to meet the neighbours before buying a home. The trouble with that is that you actually have already then met the neighbors which gives them further excuse to be annoying. Neighbors aren't friends, they aren't relatives, they are people who live annoyingly close and should be ignored as much possible (with that favor returned hopefully!) G-S >> It really surprises me that prospective home purchasers do not take the >> time to meet the neighbours before buying a home. [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > > G-S Agreed, however the purpose of meeting them is to ensure that it is possible to ignore them in the future. Showing you his collection of bagpipes may give you a hint that you may not want to buy the house in the first place. However if he has a collection of Vincent's, etc, getting the house may become a priority. Boxer > In aus.motorcycles on Thu, 20 Nov 2008 21:41:30 GMT > [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > times there's nothing to worry about" and "but I didn't know, the > developers didn't tell me" That would be the suburb named Southern River? Well Duhh! Theo |
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