Recommendations on Brand of Tranny
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DaPlumba - 24 Sep 2008 00:04 GMT Help yourself to a drink, plastic's on the bar, I've got a Limoncello.
My '94 FXR'x tranny is getting to feelin a little iffy. Third is sometimes hard. Clunk's into every gear. I put in a Hayden M6 chain tensioner couple years back, which helped. Had some recent minor work done inside primary, so's I figure chain should be properly tensioned. And then, all phony reasons aside, I've been thinking about a six speed tranny. Might make for a good winter project. Can't afford a Baker, but on Ebay I see some reasonable Ultima and RevTech. Ultima I'm not familar with, but I've heard of RevTech. Gear ratios are the same. Anyone have any experience with either, good or bad?
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spunky hussein tuna - 24 Sep 2008 00:33 GMT > Help yourself to a drink, plastic's on the bar, I've got a Limoncello. > [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > > Plastics still on the bar, have another. Baker's the best if you have the cash, but you knew that. I've heard horror stories about Rev-Tech, but don't have first-hand experience with them. I've heard fewer horror stories about Ultima, but both Ultima and Rev-Techs are built off-shore if you care about that sort of thing.
I don't know why you're set on a six speed, but if you're looking to save some bux, eBay is usually full of five speed guts that people have pulled from gnu bikes to install factory six speeds in. You may well find that if you resprocket (or repully if you're running a belt) a five speed may be all you really need. -- spunky hussein DunnoIfThisHelpsOrJustComplicatesThings tuna
DaPlumba - 24 Sep 2008 00:40 GMT >> Help yourself to a drink, plastic's on the bar, I've got a Limoncello. >> [quoted text clipped - 22 lines] > -- > spunky hussein DunnoIfThisHelpsOrJustComplicatesThings tuna Thanks. I am running a belt. It was just I figured if I was going in, maybe it would be worth it. As far as them being built off-shore, yes, it does matter. Thanks for the heads-up.
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Terry Coombs - 24 Sep 2008 01:29 GMT >>> Help yourself to a drink, plastic's on the bar, I've got a >>> Limoncello. My '94 FXR'x tranny is getting to feelin a little iffy. [quoted text clipped - 27 lines] > As far as them being built off-shore, yes, it does matter. Thanks for > the heads-up. In addition to Spunky's advice , I decided not to go with an OD tranny because of the alleged power losses involved . My decision was to go with a 65t rear sprocket (70 is stock) instead . Got it in hand but haven't installed it yet . I really need to do that soon ...
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DaPlumba - 24 Sep 2008 22:28 GMT > In addition to Spunky's advice , I decided not to go with an OD tranny > because of the alleged power losses involved . My decision was to go with > a 65t rear sprocket (70 is stock) instead . Got it in hand but haven't > installed it yet . I really need to do that soon ... As far as power losses, I always figured if I had to pass a semi on a hill, I'd just downshift.. I also have a EV27, single-fire ign., SE breather, so I have some oomph (at leat compared to a Miata). Hearing about your luck with the RevTech makes me think again, instead of just rejecting it out of hand. It just seems when I'm doing 70 - 75 mph, I'm checking to make sure I'm all the way up.
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Terry Coombs - 24 Sep 2008 23:35 GMT >> In addition to Spunky's advice , I decided not to go with an OD >> tranny because of the alleged power losses involved . My decision [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > it out of hand. It just seems when I'm doing 70 - 75 mph, I'm > checking to make sure I'm all the way up. Um , I think you might have me confused with someone else ... I have no experience with any but stock H-D trannies . I was going to replace my stock five with a six speed OD gearset , but decided that for me a better solution was to gear higher on final . Helps that I'm (quite) a bit lighter than the average Harley rider ... guess I need to install that pulley this weekend .
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Ryder Rick - 25 Sep 2008 00:05 GMT > As far as power losses, I always figured if I had to pass a semi on a hill, > I'd just downshift.. It's not about passing that semi, maybe just making it up the hill without down shifting.
If you are just wanting to maintain steady speed, it will work. But as soon as you show it a hill or ask it to pick up 5mph or whatever the power sucking happens. Even with the final geared down. The power loss and heat generated in the trans overdrive gearing is not acceptable.
Why do you think the MoCo went DD when 6's were offered as original equipment?
I'll make you a great deal on my Baker 6 OD....
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DaPlumba - 25 Sep 2008 00:30 GMT >> As far as power losses, I always figured if I had to pass a semi on a >> hill, [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > > I'll make you a great deal on my Baker 6 OD.... You mention overdriving the primaru. What is that? Different geaing on clutch basket?
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Ryder Rick - 25 Sep 2008 00:57 GMT >>> As far as power losses, I always figured if I had to pass a semi on a >>> hill, [quoted text clipped - 17 lines] > You mention overdriving the primaru. What is that? Different geaing on > clutch basket? larger motor sprocket
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DaPlumba - 25 Sep 2008 01:05 GMT >>>> As far as power losses, I always figured if I had to pass a semi on a >>>> hill, [quoted text clipped - 23 lines] > larger motor sprocket > -- Damn! What an ingenious idea.
How does it do in lower gears? I would guess 1st/second pull better, but hit redline sooner
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Ryder Rick - 25 Sep 2008 02:59 GMT >>>>> As far as power losses, I always figured if I had to pass a semi on a >>>>> hill, [quoted text clipped - 27 lines] > How does it do in lower gears? I would guess 1st/second pull better, but hit > redline sooner Nope Gear spreads are the same. Deeper first gear makes up difference of overdriven primary.
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DaPlumba - 25 Sep 2008 11:46 GMT >>>>>> As far as power losses, I always figured if I had to pass a semi on a >>>>>> hill, [quoted text clipped - 31 lines] > Nope Gear spreads are the same. Deeper first gear makes up difference of > overdriven primary. Thank you for the suggestion. I will definitely look into this
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Ryder Rick - 24 Sep 2008 04:01 GMT > Help yourself to a drink, plastic's on the bar, I've got a Limoncello. > [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > > Plastics still on the bar, have another. Do not get an overdrive.
Too much power loss going through the OD.
You want a direct drive 6, you then overdrive the primary.
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nunya - 24 Sep 2008 14:28 GMT > Help yourself to a drink, plastic's on the bar, I've got a Limoncello. > [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > > Plastics still on the bar, have another. thanx for the coffee...
when i went to build my bike i had the same dilemma. what brand to buy? i went to a somewhat local independent shop that we have a 30 year relationship with. the owner told me that he had installed over 30 revtech 6 speeds and only one had an issue. he said the company overnighted him a replacement with no questions asked. he also said he had installed almost as many bakers and had several that were not perfect but he was able to make work.
he recommended that i buy the revtech. he said he would make more money off the baker so he didn't really care which i bought, but if it was his bike it would get a revtech. yes the baker is made in the USA and the revtech is an import. but i was margining out on my budget by the time i got to the tranny and my wrench saying he had less trouble out of the revtechs sealed the deal.
i now have about 25k on the revtech with zero problems. i have really abused it at times. while i don't have a big inch motor i still make fair power with the ev27 cam, crane ignition and S&S carb on a factory crate motor. i even made a really big mistake one day when i was apparently brain dead and down shifted when i should have upshifted during a really hard acceleration. it slid the rear tire i assumed i had broken something in the tranny. once i found the correct gear there was no problem.
so here is my 2 cents. if you are looking to pick up that extra sixth cog and you are financially challenged, i don't think you could go wrong with the revtech. heck, it has a 50k warranty and you can buy two for the price of a baker (i think it was that much of a price difference). of course YMMV and all the usual internet disclaimers. michael
nobody #1 - 25 Sep 2008 02:42 GMT > Help yourself to a drink, plastic's on the bar, I've got a Limoncello. > [quoted text clipped - 17 lines] > 1979 Ironhead XLCH...... once the ride, now the project > 1994 FXRS..................... my mistress Nothing to do with a five or six speed but I did buy a RevTech 4 speed tranny for my ol' Shovel once upon a time. I opened it up before installing it to change the shift pattern to match my FX bike. It was one of the nicest looking trannys inside I'd ever seen. It looked like it had all cnc'd billet gears, the shift drum I took out looked like it was cnc'd. It was nice. I had it on my bike for about five years before I finally sold the whole bike and never had a problem. I used to beat on it hard it was an excellent part. I know a lot of people over the years that have bad mouthed their stuff but it seems like none of them have actual experience with their parts. It's always a friend of a friend of a friend had this problem or that problem.
As far as the overdrive sixth thing goes I don't know. There's a lot of 1.5 liter 2500 lb cars out there with overdrive trannies in them that don't seem to have that problem. I'm not sure why a motorcycle that puts out as much torque as them at 1/3 the weight would but I guess it possible.
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Ryder Rick - 25 Sep 2008 03:08 GMT > As far as the overdrive sixth thing goes I don't know. There's a lot of 1.5 > liter 2500 lb cars out there with overdrive trannies in them that don't seem to > have that problem. I'm not sure why a motorcycle that puts out as much > torque as > them at 1/3 the weight would but I guess it possible. A car trans runs at engine speed. A harley trans runs at something like 1/3rd engine speed. I'm not sure how it works out, but that is the difference.
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nobody #1 - 26 Sep 2008 00:18 GMT > > As far as the overdrive sixth thing goes I don't know. There's a lot of 1.5 > > liter 2500 lb cars out there with overdrive trannies in them that don't seem to [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > Ryder Rick > < > Then the Harley should pull the load even easier if there's a gear reduction before the power gets to the transmission.
Ryder Rick - 26 Sep 2008 02:56 GMT >>> As far as the overdrive sixth thing goes I don't know. There's a lot of 1.5 >>> liter 2500 lb cars out there with overdrive trannies in them that don't seem to [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > reduction before > the power gets to the transmission. There is a difference in OD ratios also. Because the HD trans spins slower it needs a bigger ratio OD than the car.
I think the cars have a .95 OD and the HD has .80
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nobody #1 - 27 Sep 2008 01:19 GMT > >>> As far as the overdrive sixth thing goes I don't know. There's a lot of 1.5 > >>> liter 2500 lb cars out there with overdrive trannies in them that don't seem to [quoted text clipped - 20 lines] > Ryder Rick > < > sh.t, who knows I'd say your right about the overdrive thing since I did some readin' up on it though. I know that the Mustang's with the t-5s in 'em have a .65 to 1 overdrive on some of the older ones.
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spacecriter (Bill C) - 25 Sep 2008 03:45 GMT > Help yourself to a drink, plastic's on the bar, I've got a Limoncello. > > My '94 FXR'x tranny is getting to feelin a little iffy. <snip a bunch>
> Anyone have any experience with > either, good or bad? I like the kind of tranny that sits kinda quiet at the end of the bar and covers her mouth when giggling at the off color jokes, then smiles at your really drunk buddy when you tell him that chick over there is checking you out man...go for it!
> Plastics still on the bar, have another. Don't mind if I do, but then I have to git. Really.
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LarryInEastTn - 25 Sep 2008 23:20 GMT >> Help yourself to a drink, plastic's on the bar, I've got a Limoncello. >> [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > really drunk buddy when you tell him that chick over there is checking you > out man...go for it! You are an evil person Bill. I'm never drinking with you again, for fear you'll try to set me up with someone with a "nice personality".
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spacecriter (Bill C) - 26 Sep 2008 03:36 GMT >>> Help yourself to a drink, plastic's on the bar, I've got a >>> Limoncello. My '94 FXR'x tranny is getting to feelin a little iffy. [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > You are an evil person Bill. I'm never drinking with you again, for > fear you'll try to set me up with someone with a "nice personality". I'd never, ever consider the slightest glimmer of the merest thought of trying such a thing on you.
Need another drink? How 'bout a shot? Is that a four speed or overdrive own there at the en of the bar? Hehehe...
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