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Motorcycle Forum / General / Harley / September 2008WAY OT - home security
Howdy all, at least have a round on me before someone points out that this is a Harley group. The only reason I am posting this is because I know that there are tons of really smart people here. I have a beautiful, smart daughter that turned 15 this year. I am worried that there has been too many guys sniffing around and that she might not all that smart about them. Some of the guys are a couple of years too old. I am worried that maybe I haven't scared a couple of them enough. I want to put an alarm on her window (complete other end of the house) and the doors. Probably a webcam outside her window and inside the living room pointed at the front door and window. I don't want to nail the window shut due to fire, etc. Any ideas? I just want to know if a window or door opens after hours. There are a couple of cheap, barrel key controlled alarms that I can fix to the windows (90 db alarm). I have one webcam that I can hook up in the living room. Came with some cool software so I think I am covered there. Just want to know if there is a better way to set this up. I thought that I could do a nice DIY wired job but found out the the local Radio Shack doesn't even stock some of the stuff that would be needed. Yes, I do talk to her. I have talked to her. She is just too damn good at lying to me. She has big plans and the grades to do it. Don't want her knocked up like so many of the little girls out here in redneck-ville. I guess it has been too long since I have hurt a punk around here and my limping might be giving the punks the wrong idea about what would happen if I found out they were f.cking with my girl. Thanks for the listen and for the advise that will come. Another round for those that have gotten this far. BoboTWG - looks like the Triumph might be gone - <sniff> > Howdy all, at least have a round on me before someone points out that > this is a Harley group. The only reason I am posting this is because [quoted text clipped - 29 lines] > > BoboTWG - looks like the Triumph might be gone - <sniff> Cleaning the guns when they come to pick her up comes to mind ... a row of shotshells and a sawed off pump gun "next in line" sends a particularly chilling message .  SignatureSnag '90 Ultra "Strider" '39 WLDD "Popcycle" Buncha cars and a truck >> Howdy all, at least have a round on me before someone points out that >> this is a Harley group. The only reason I am posting this is because [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > of shotshells and a sawed off pump gun "next in line" sends a particularly > chilling message . Yep. Need to get a real gun back in the house. Had to sell the last .45 a bit ago to pay some bills. Was hoping the Marine Dress Blues pic in the living room would do the trick. Time for a shotgun. Not supposed to buy handguns since the VA diagonsed me. THey sent me a letter saying that I am covered by the Brady Bill. Well, I guess it can be in the wifes name if registered. The funny thing that my best bud at the time and I were tlaking about the whole cleaning the guns bit back when we were in Kuwait (before I even met my wife). Of course we also wanted to add a couple of other memorabilia that was not allowed to be brought back (helmet with bullet hole in it, etc.) and a .50 cal on the front lawn. I still like the idea. Great minds think alike. Thanks. BoboTWG Thanks man, BoboTWG > I have a beautiful, smart daughter that turned 15 this year. I am worried > that there has been too many guys sniffing around and that she might not > all that smart about them. i was in the same position and installed a brinks home security system to combat this very issue (i am a BHS dealer, btw). it works very well with one fatal flaw....if your daughter is clever enough to figure out that carefully positioning a powerful magnet will keep the switch closed she can slip right out and your alarm will never sound. in fact, she can open her window when the alarm is off and put magnetic tape over the switch so that the switch remains closed without regard to window position. there are other options if you are concerned that she might figure this out on her own. your local BHS dealer can get you up and running for $99 with a 3 year monitoring agreement OAC. its a solid system that can be had reasonably. dont let anybody sell you on wireless ANYthing (except perhaps for a key fob to arm/disarm....thats pretty handy). wireless components cause false alarms and can be sensitive to interference rendering them useless. SignatureNathan In Montana http://ConcealedCarryForum.com http://1911talk.com http://HiPowerTalk.com http://GlockCarry.com http://P7talk.com http://PPStalk.com >> I have a beautiful, smart daughter that turned 15 this year. I am worried >> that there has been too many guys sniffing around and that she might not [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > her window when the alarm is off and put magnetic tape over the switch so > that the switch remains closed without regard to window position. SSSHHHHHHHHH. Yes, she is that smart, but don't say it out loud. It's like saying the 'R' word when there is a big ride or camping trip. What are the other window options. I was thinking about drilling in wires where they cannot be easily accessed and doing a simple wire twist that would disengage when it is opened but cannot be access closed. there are > other options if you are concerned that she might figure this out on her > own. > > your local BHS dealer can get you up and running for $99 with a 3 year > monitoring agreement OAC. Can't do it. Our business is doing so bad that even that little bit is too much. People want our service but don't want to pay. Thanks, BoboTWG > What are the other window options. its nearly impossible to defeat a recessed photo-beam grid or a laser grid, but if money is an issue then both of those options would be ruled out. are you against permanently locking the window shut? leave a chair in front of it to bust it out incase she needs to escape fire and permanently lock it closed using screws, tight boards wedged into place, or even paint. > I was thinking about drilling in wires where they cannot be easily > accessed and doing a simple wire twist that would disengage when it is > opened but cannot be access closed. im having trouble following you there. > Our business is doing so bad that even that little bit is too much. People > want our service but don't want to pay. holy smokes now THAT i can relate to. i average about 10k a year in bad debt (ALWAYS on the residential HVAC end) and have sadly grown to accept is as just another cost of doing business. SignatureNathan In Montana http://ConcealedCarryForum.com http://1911talk.com http://HiPowerTalk.com http://GlockCarry.com http://P7talk.com http://PPStalk.com > it to bust it out incase she needs to escape fire and permanently lock it > closed using screws, tight boards wedged into place, or even paint. Actually, if you just paint it thickly, she could still get out but you'd know right away if she did. roach > holy smokes now THAT i can relate to. i average about 10k a year in bad > debt (ALWAYS on the residential HVAC end) and have sadly grown to accept > is as just another cost of doing business. Put a lien on their house. >> holy smokes now THAT i can relate to. i average about 10k a year in bad >> debt (ALWAYS on the residential HVAC end) and have sadly grown to accept >> is as just another cost of doing business. > > Put a lien on their house. maybe if he'd sport all those stupid f.cking gun urls in his contracts; all those bad debtors? why, they'd all be petrified with fear of the piss ant. >>> holy smokes now THAT i can relate to. i average about 10k a year in bad >>> debt (ALWAYS on the residential HVAC end) and have sadly grown to accept >>> is as just another cost of doing business. Then you're doing it wrong. >> Put a lien on their house. > > maybe if he'd sport all those stupid f.cking gun urls in his contracts; > all those bad debtors? why, they'd all be petrified with fear of the > piss ant. Or just tell 'em he's carrying. Fins BS#221 >>>> holy smokes now THAT i can relate to. i average about 10k a year in >>>> bad debt (ALWAYS on the residential HVAC end) and have sadly grown >>>> to accept is as just another cost of doing business. > > Then you're doing it wrong. heh, ya think? personally i think this is just another one of his bullshit, chest puffed out boasts like Barney Fife. "look at me folks, i do so much business that i absorb 10K a year in bad debts, but it aren't nuthin" fuckin' liar.. but i'd bet ya a fin that he loses more than that by never showing up to do the work in the first place because he's too busy bragging and bothering people in newsgroups, mailing lists and blogs. >>> Put a lien on their house. >> [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > > Fins BS#221 he can't say he's 'packin'. he'd be laffed off the job. >>> holy smokes now THAT i can relate to. i average about 10k a year in bad >>> debt (ALWAYS on the residential HVAC end) and have sadly grown to accept [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > all those bad debtors? why, they'd all be petrified with fear of the > piss ant. i have been running the family business for 23 years. i have had 2,100.00 hundred dollars in uncollected money during that time. that is an average of less than 100 bucks a year. if i had let folks steal 10k a year from me in that amount of time it would be pushing a quarter million bucks in lost revenue. i can't believe someone that claims to be an *expert* in security and investigation could be so gullible as to let this much money get away from them. then to admit that they were incapable of collecting bad debts makes them look even goofyier. qualify your clients before you do the work, sign contracts and if still in doubt get your money up front. michael >>>> holy smokes now THAT i can relate to. i average about 10k a year in bad >>>> debt (ALWAYS on the residential HVAC end) and have sadly grown to accept [quoted text clipped - 17 lines] > contracts and if still in doubt get your money up front. > michael *BINGO* >>> Put a lien on their house. >> [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] >them look even goofyier. qualify your clients before you do the work, sign >contracts and if still in doubt get your money up front. He Shoots He scores! hell didn't know you could play basket ball too! <g< >michael > i have been running the family business for 23 years. i have had 2,100.00 > hundred dollars in uncollected money during that time. that is an average > of less than 100 bucks a year. irrelevant. perhaps you only have 3 customers a year. there is NO way you can compare bad debt as some sign of business success when you have no clue what my bottom line is. ive also CLEARLY stated that my losses were always in the residential hvac end. call ANY service company in your area (and large company with at least 5 technicians on the road) that does residential hvac and ask them how much bad debt they average a year. i bet youll be surprised. SignatureNathan In Montana http://ConcealedCarryForum.com http://1911talk.com http://HiPowerTalk.com http://GlockCarry.com http://P7talk.com http://PPStalk.com > Put a lien on their house. trouble is that the $10k figure was a combination of dozens of much smaller tickets ranging from $60 to a coule hundred. its not worth the procedural costs involved to go to court over. to bad you cant combine them all in an odd type of reversed class action. :-) SignatureNathan In Montana http://ConcealedCarryForum.com http://1911talk.com http://HiPowerTalk.com http://GlockCarry.com http://P7talk.com http://PPStalk.com >>> I have a beautiful, smart daughter that turned 15 this year. I am worried >>> that there has been too many guys sniffing around and that she might not [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] >> her window when the alarm is off and put magnetic tape over the switch so >> that the switch remains closed without regard to window position. Of course, Gnat chimes in with another opportunity to promote something he's involved in. Suggesting Brinks is one thing, then adding the bit about being a dealer just adds to the self-promoting bullshit that he always seems to do. Fins BS#221 > Of course, Gnat chimes in with another opportunity to promote something > he's involved in. Suggesting Brinks is one thing, then adding the bit > about being a dealer just adds to the self-promoting bullshit that he > always seems to do. The opportunities seem to be endless. SignatureRoach, a.shole#123, BS#196, Philly Hoodlum#2 "DM" <fins@nospam.bs221.com> wrote in message <snip> <snip> > Of course, Gnat chimes in with another opportunity to promote something > he's involved in. Suggesting Brinks is one thing, then adding the bit > about being a dealer just adds to the self-promoting bullshit that he > always seems to do. > > Fins BS#221 i put him in the kill file but still have to keep up with some of his drivel through the quoted text from other folks. brinks home security? that is kinda like calling mcdonalds fine dining, isn't it. a 99 dollar alarm system that depends on a copper wire pair from the phone company? actually if you check the brinks website you can buy their alarm for 49.95 with a three year monitoring contract and a free upgrade. that puts you over a grand out of pocket for a system that is so weak that you would be better served by a good pit bull. a monitored alarm is nearly useless with only one means of communication to the monitoring station. my alarms have three methods of communication. wired phone pair, cellular backup and a radio monitoring device. the radio communicates with the station three times a minute. if they go three minutes without hearing from the radio they dispatch assuming someone has tampered with the alarm. it is so easy to cut the phone line and leave your home defenseless that to only have that for monitoring is a joke. real alarms cost money. the "free" with a monitoring contract are so simple to bypass that i consider them a waste of money. call a real alarm company and pay their price for a good system or just buy the generic "this home protected by..." signs and hope the crooks just move on to the house without signs. the funny thing is that once i purchased my equipment for a price that was fair to the installer, he sold me a monitoring package for my home and business that uses three different means of communication for each location and it cost 49.00 dollars a month combined. i let him make enough money on the front end that he didn't have to rape me on the back end. somewhere they have to make money so you decide. pay now or pay later. as to the OP. hate it that the VA says no handguns. they trusted you to carry in a combat zone but not in your own home. disgusting. the idea to paint the window shut or get after it with a screw gun will work right up until you have a house fire and your daughter can't escape. here you go. 10 bucks does what you need it to do. http://www.mypreciouskid.com/wireless-door-alarm.html this will keep her in the house. i would suggest one on her window and units on the exterior doors and any other windows that she may have easy access to. michael the "learned a tad about security from a real pro" busted up scooter bum > brinks home security? that is kinda like calling mcdonalds fine dining, > isn't it. michael, youre speaking from ignorance. im going to give you lots of truth in this response. you can certainly choose to ignore it, and most likely will. > a 99 dollar alarm system that depends on a copper wire pair from the phone > company? well over 99% of all home alarms use nothing more than the phone lines for reporting to the monitoring station no matter what company you use. > actually if you check the brinks website you can buy their alarm for 49.95 > with a three year monitoring contract and a free upgrade. yes, BHS runs their own in-house deals that vary from time to time. > that puts you over a grand out of pocket for a system that is so weak here is your ignorance coming out. tell me what makes the system "weak". are you aware that they ALL (ADT, BHS, independents, etc.) use the exact same equipment? thats right....the same honeywell components, the same ademco components, etc. the only difference is in the software programming. > a monitored alarm is nearly useless with only one means of communication > to the monitoring station. thats crap, very bad information. are backup devices good? ABSOLUTELY. that doesnt make the phone reporting "useless". and for the record, BHS can sell you cellular backup, barren radio, etc. its all in how much you want to pay for. > the radio communicates with the station three times a minute. if they go > three minutes without hearing from the radio they dispatch assuming > someone has tampered with the alarm. be prepared for fines when the radio starts to fail (due to internal failure or interference) causing unnecessary police dispatches. > real alarms cost money. the "free" with a monitoring contract are so > simple to bypass that i consider them a waste of money. im gonna call you out on this. tell me how you would bypass a BHS system. be specific please, if you can. > call a real alarm company and pay their price for a good system the systems are the SAME. the difference is in what you want to pay as a customer. BHS wants long term customers so they make their alarms available to folks who dont have $1000 laying around to drop on an independent system. youll pay $1000 for the system and then youll STILL pay at least $30 a month for the monitoring. with the BHS you pay $99 up front and then roughly $30 a month for your monitoring. same equipment, same protection, less money up front. that said, the $99 is the basic system. you can add as many additional components as you can afford, or you can start out with the basic system and upgrade gradually. you can have phone monitoring, cell back up, barren radio backup, and coming soon IP based monitoring. SignatureNathan In Montana http://ConcealedCarryForum.com http://1911talk.com http://HiPowerTalk.com http://GlockCarry.com http://P7talk.com http://PPStalk.com > im gonna call you out on this. tell me how you would bypass a BHS system. > be specific please, if you can. Here's a quote from you: ---------------------------------------- i was in the same position and installed a brinks home security system to combat this very issue (i am a BHS dealer, btw). it works very well with one fatal flaw....if your daughter is clever enough to figure out that carefully positioning a powerful magnet will keep the switch closed she can slip right out and your alarm will never sound. in fact, she can open her window when the alarm is off and put magnetic tape over the switch so that the switch remains closed without regard to window position. ---------------------------------------- SO you were just full of sh.t again? Fins BS#221 >> im gonna call you out on this. tell me how you would bypass a BHS >> system. be specific please, if you can. [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > > SO you were just full of sh.t again? um, you can do that on ANY system utilizing magnetic switches (which most do). next? SignatureNathan In Montana http://ConcealedCarryForum.com http://1911talk.com http://HiPowerTalk.com http://GlockCarry.com http://P7talk.com http://PPStalk.com >>> im gonna call you out on this. tell me how you would bypass a BHS >>> system. be specific please, if you can. [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] > um, you can do that on ANY system utilizing magnetic switches (which most > do). next? So nunya's right. BHS (and others) rely on crap technology. And you're promoting it. Your answer is fatuous. An offhand reply that (paraphrasing here) "they all do that" doesn't dismiss the fact that you asked how it could be defeated and I told you how using your own method, and that it CAN be bypassed. Fins BS#221 > So nunya's right. BHS (and others) rely on crap technology. And you're > promoting it. he said "cheap" alarms can be bypassed in reference to the BHS. im telling you that ALL alarms utilizing magnetic switches can be bypassed from the inside in the same manner. ALL alarm companies use magnetic switches unless the customer opts to pay more for other options. if he was using this example to show why the BHS is supposedly inferior, he is simply WRONG. i would love to install recessed photo beam grids on every window but few would be willing to pay for it because it isnt needed. a security system is intended to protect you from intrusion. if you have components being over-ridden from the inside you have another issue entirely, but this doesnt make one system any better than the other. again, they all use the SAME hardware. SignatureNathan In Montana http://ConcealedCarryForum.com http://1911talk.com http://HiPowerTalk.com http://GlockCarry.com http://P7talk.com http://PPStalk.com >>So nunya's right. BHS (and others) rely on crap technology. And you're >>promoting it. > > he said "cheap" alarms can be bypassed in reference to the BHS. im telling > you that ALL alarms utilizing magnetic switches can be bypassed from the > inside in the same manner. (snip) I'm thinking of opening a business that sells only shovels. I'll make a fortune from you alone, as you seem to constantly wear out and need new ones, to keep digging yourself a deeper hole. >>> So nunya's right. BHS (and others) rely on crap technology. And >>> you're promoting it. [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > I'll make a fortune from you alone, as you seem to constantly wear out > and need new ones, to keep digging yourself a deeper hole. I wonder how many folks he's suckered into buying his cheap alarm systems without telling them how easily they can be bypassed. Fins BS#221 > I wonder how many folks he's suckered into buying his cheap alarm systems > without telling them how easily they can be bypassed. lol....you really are a sad, pathetic person. ANY alarm can be bypassed if its an "inside job". ive explained this, now youre just trolling the thread. SignatureNathan In Montana http://ConcealedCarryForum.com http://1911talk.com http://HiPowerTalk.com http://GlockCarry.com http://P7talk.com http://PPStalk.com >> I wonder how many folks he's suckered into buying his cheap alarm systems >> without telling them how easily they can be bypassed. > > lol....you really are a sad, pathetic person. ANY alarm can be bypassed if > its an "inside job". ive explained this, now youre just trolling the > thread. Switching to defense mode that easily? Answer the question. And please, try to use punctuation. Fins BS#221 > Switching to defense mode that easily? i contributed valid information in an effort to assist another. you have brought nothing to this conversation beying criticism and insult. you are trolling, and im not playing. SignatureNathan In Montana http://ConcealedCarryForum.com http://1911talk.com http://HiPowerTalk.com http://GlockCarry.com http://P7talk.com http://PPStalk.com >> Switching to defense mode that easily? > > i contributed valid information in an effort to assist another. you have > brought nothing to this conversation beying criticism and insult. you are > trolling, and im not playing. I toss the little red ball and you run off with it? Bad puppy! Fins BS#221 >> Switching to defense mode that easily? > > i contributed valid information in an effort to assist another. you have > brought nothing to this conversation beying criticism and insult. you are > trolling, and im not playing. Good reply. Banker >>> Switching to defense mode that easily? >> [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > > Banker So I'll see you in what, 15 days? Looking forward to it. Fins BS#221 >>>> Switching to defense mode that easily? >>> [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > > Fins BS#221 Yeah. Me too. Banker >>>>> Switching to defense mode that easily? >>>> [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > > Banker I sense a Hallmark moment.. >>>> So nunya's right. BHS (and others) rely on crap technology. And >>>> you're promoting it. [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > I wonder how many folks he's suckered into buying his cheap alarm > systems without telling them how easily they can be bypassed. Sadly, they ain't cheap...or worth it. >> im gonna call you out on this. tell me how you would bypass a BHS >> system. be specific please, if you can. [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > > Fins BS#221 It's the piss ant flavor of the week. What ya bet he's a wood stove distributor too? Vermont Castings perhaps? > It's the piss ant flavor of the week. What ya bet he's a wood stove > distributor too? Vermont Castings perhaps? If ya can't do one thing well, do a bunch of things poorly? Fins BS#221 >> It's the piss ant flavor of the week. What ya bet he's a wood stove >> distributor too? Vermont Castings perhaps? > > If ya can't do one thing well, do a bunch of things poorly? > > Fins BS#221 Jack off of all trades, masturbate a nun? >>> It's the piss ant flavor of the week. What ya bet he's a wood stove >>> distributor too? Vermont Castings perhaps? [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > Jack off of all trades, masturbate a nun? Funny you should mention that as I had him in the glass dildo business. SignatureNemo BS#220 EKIII PGR "When you come to a fork in the road....Take it." Yogi Berra >> im gonna call you out on this. tell me how you would bypass a BHS >> system. be specific please, if you can. [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > > Fins BS#221 walk up to the house cut the phone line with a pair of wire cutters and then kick in the front door. follow the noise to the free internal siren and yank it off the wall. simple. no call made to brinks, noise goes away in about 15 seconds and i would then own the house. i know for a fact that most times, if the neighbors are home they can't or don't hear a wimpy internally mounted siren. at my business i have an external horn that will turn foks inside out but in twenty years and about half a dozen alarms i have never had a neighbor call 911 when they heard the siren. they all assume that the monitoring station is doing that. usually they just turn up the television volume so they don't have to listen to it. if a persons house happens to be in the country without close neighbors all the siren does is wake up the cat. any alarm thats only way of calling for help is through a ma bell copper wire pair is only as reliable as the phone line. that is why both of mine have radio and cellular backup. if someone tries to brute force the thing by cutting the phone line then the cellular backup gets the call out. with a cell backup if the phone line is compromised and they jam the cell signal they can then walk in and beat the control panel off the wall with a sledge hammer and everything goes quiet. but with my radio backup as a third redundant system that is constanct communication with the monitoring station, if they don't get a regular transmission through from the radio then they call the alarm through the copper and the cell link. if neither responds then they dispatch assuming someone has tampered with the system. an alarm is only as good as its ability to communicate with dispatch. cutting the phone line is simple. in fact, in my town almost every house has a junction box for the phone line at waist height on the corner of the house. the phone line provides zero security. my alarms have all kinds of tricks. my alarm guy doesn't do the free or 99 dollar cookie cutter systems. all of my equipment is industrial stuff like is used at banks, jewellery stores and the like. in fact, my gun vaults have a device that he says about the only people that ever spring the cash for it are some local government contractors that make top secret military hardware. i spent more money on my alarm than most would spend on a good used car. if the alarm is not really secure then the money and the monitoring fees are a waste of rescource. michael p.s. don't even get me started on EMP devices. my control box is even protected from EMP events and malicious overvoltage devices. that kind of protection ain't cheap. >>> im gonna call you out on this. tell me how you would bypass a BHS >>> system. be specific please, if you can. [quoted text clipped - 20 lines] > and yank it off the wall. simple. no call made to brinks, noise goes > away in about 15 seconds and i would then own the house. Why has no one talked about circuit alarms. Back in the early 90's I was a second shift security supervisor for PNC bank in Cinti. We would send either a guard or the cops if one went off and they would go off if the phone line was cut or otherwise not communicating. BoboTWG >>>> im gonna call you out on this. tell me how you would bypass a BHS >>>> system. be specific please, if you can. [quoted text clipped - 27 lines] > > BoboTWG well if you get too many of them installed in a town and the phone service goes down it overwhelms the cops. in my town they have started sending you a bill for responding to false alarms. we have temporary phone outages several times a year here thus that could cost more money than running the backups. michael >>> ---------------------------------------- >>> [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] >a guard or the cops if one went off and they would go off if the phone line >was cut or otherwise not communicating. I was wondering about that myself, we had a line cut here hell I didn;t even know it till the cops showed up >BoboTWG > any alarm thats only way of calling for help is through a ma bell copper > wire pair is only as reliable as the phone line. thats right. ANY alarm. ive already stated you can get cellular and barren radio backup with BHS if you want to pay for it. its all in how much you want to spend. if you dont want to spend more for the additional layers of protection thats YOUR fault and doesnt make the BHS system "cheap" or inadequate in any way. the BHS system gets you in a BASIC system for $99 and you can grow from there as you can afford to at your own rate. SignatureNathan In Montana http://ConcealedCarryForum.com http://1911talk.com http://HiPowerTalk.com http://GlockCarry.com http://P7talk.com http://PPStalk.com > "DM" <fins@nospam.bs221.com> wrote in message <snip> > > <snip> > > as to the OP. hate it that the VA says no handguns. they trusted you to > carry in a combat zone but not in your own home. disgusting. Yep, they declared me incompetent among other things so I now fall under the Brady Bill. the idea to > paint the window shut or get after it with a screw gun will work right up > until you have a house fire and your daughter can't escape. > > here you go. 10 bucks does what you need it to do. > http://www.mypreciouskid.com/wireless-door-alarm.html Just got 2 alot like that with barrel keys to control them for $10. > this will keep her in the house. i would suggest one on her window and > units on the exterior doors and any other windows that she may have easy > access to. > michael Yep, her window. The front door and when Radio Shack gets another in stock, the front window. Thanks, BoboTWG > Yep, they declared me incompetent among other things so I now fall under > the Brady Bill. there are ways of fighting this. if youre interested in getting your rights restored i can put you in touch with various private veteran groups that can assist you with it. SignatureNathan In Montana http://ConcealedCarryForum.com http://1911talk.com http://HiPowerTalk.com http://GlockCarry.com http://P7talk.com http://PPStalk.com >> Yep, they declared me incompetent among other things so I now fall under >> the Brady Bill. > > there are ways of fighting this. if youre interested in getting your > rights restored i can put you in touch with various private veteran groups > that can assist you with it. help me with my rights > help me with my rights details please. here or in email if you prefer. SignatureNathan In Montana http://ConcealedCarryForum.com http://1911talk.com http://HiPowerTalk.com http://GlockCarry.com http://P7talk.com http://PPStalk.com >> help me with my rights > > details please. here or in email if you prefer. Send me an e-mail. Mine is good minus the NOSPAM. BoboTWG >>>> I have a beautiful, smart daughter that turned 15 this year. I am >>>> worried that there has been too many guys sniffing around and that [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > > Fins BS#221 I took his comments as being helpful. But that's just me. Banker <snipped a buncha stuff> > I took his comments as being helpful. But that's just me. > > Banker You are most certainly a "glass half full" sort of fellow. Most refreshing. Speaking of refreshing, have some refreshments on DM's tab. > Speaking of refreshing, have some refreshments on DM's tab. Damn Rob, you're mighty generous w/my credit card. Knock yourself out, I have some cheap wine on the way. Fins BS#221 >> Speaking of refreshing, have some refreshments on DM's tab. >> > Damn Rob, you're mighty generous w/my credit card. Knock yourself out, I > have some cheap wine on the way. Hold on! Save some of that credit for my PBR! > Fins BS#221 > <snipped a buncha stuff> > [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > You are most certainly a "glass half full" sort of fellow. Yeah.....he's gotta drink fast, his wife can't hold onto a glass....... SignatureSteve Irving (Irv) - BS#237/SLOB#12 http://www.users.qwest.net/~niteh/bike >> <snipped a buncha stuff> >> [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > Yeah.....he's gotta drink fast, his wife can't hold onto a > glass....... Hey Steve , let me hold that beer so you can fan the flames with both hands . And Bob , holy sweet Jumpin' Jesus , let it fuckin' go ! I understand you and Julie feel you were insulted , but after almost 18 months posting sh.t about glasses makes you look childish . I do believe that the post Roger made was an apology . I took it as such . Might just be that's the best he can express how he felt about it . You might consider meeting him halfway ... SignatureSnag '90 Ultra "Strider" Now children , can't we all play nicely ? Flame away , I got my sissysuit on . > Hey Steve , let me hold that beer so you can fan the flames with both > hands . And Bob , holy sweet Jumpin' Jesus , let it fuckin' go ! I > understand you and Julie feel you were insulted , but after almost 18 > months posting sh.t about glasses makes you look childish . Did I miss something? WTF did Bob say about glasses? roach >> Hey Steve , let me hold that beer so you can fan the flames with both >> hands . And Bob , holy sweet Jumpin' Jesus , let it fuckin' go ! I [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > roach Nothing........ SignatureSteve Irving (Irv) - BS#237/SLOB#12 http://www.users.qwest.net/~niteh/bike >>> <snipped a buncha stuff> >>> [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > . Might just be that's the best he can express how he felt about it . You > might consider meeting him halfway ... Snag, that was ME that posted the glass thing, Bob was replying to someone else entirely. Rob > Snag > '90 Ultra "Strider" > Now children , can't we all play nicely ? > Flame away , I got my sissysuit on . >>> <snipped a buncha stuff> >>> [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > Might just be that's the best he can express how he felt about it . You > might consider meeting him halfway ... WTF???? Are YOU talking about?????? I was pretty much standing next to Julie (or kinda closeby) when she dropped a glass at Roger's place, I even helped sweep it up......... Was Rob even there???? <shrug> I don't think I know Rob??? Do I?? What flames??????? SignatureSteve Irving (Irv) - BS#237/SLOB#12 http://www.users.qwest.net/~niteh/bike >>>> <snipped a buncha stuff> >>>> [quoted text clipped - 21 lines] > > What flames??????? I should quit posting after too many adult beverages . Y'all go back to your regularly scheduled Troll Wars . SignatureSnag '90 Ultra "Strider" '39 WLDD "Popcycle" Buncha cars and a truck >>> both hands . And Bob , holy sweet Jumpin' Jesus , let it fuckin' go >>> ! I understand you and Julie feel you were insulted , but after [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > I should quit posting after too many adult beverages . Y'all go back to >your regularly scheduled Troll Wars . Hahahaha, you still hit that nail dead on, but it's ok cause Bob is who he is he can get away with that! around here its who you know......... >>>> both hands . And Bob , holy sweet Jumpin' Jesus , let it fuckin' go >>>> ! I understand you and Julie feel you were insulted , but after [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] > who he is he can get away with that! around here its who you > know......... What do mean by that Tom? I'm confused again. Banker >>>>> both hands . And Bob , holy sweet Jumpin' Jesus , let it fuckin' go >>>>> ! I understand you and Julie feel you were insulted , but after [quoted text clipped - 20 lines] > > Banker I find it easier not to think about THIS stuff too hard, makes my hair (what's left of it) hurt........ SignatureSteve Irving (Irv) - BS#237/SLOB#12 http://www.users.qwest.net/~niteh/bike >>>>> What flames??????? >>>> I should quit posting after too many adult beverages . Y'all go back >>>> to your regularly scheduled Troll Wars . >I find it easier not to think about THIS stuff too hard, makes my hair (what's >left of it) hurt........ yes, it does! (but I'm sure I have more hair left than you do!) >>>>> <snipped a buncha stuff> >>>>> [quoted text clipped - 22 lines] > I should quit posting after too many adult beverages . Y'all go back to > your regularly scheduled Troll Wars . Ah hah!!!!!!!!! I shoulda known.....<sfsf> SignatureSteve Irving (Irv) - BS#237/SLOB#12 http://www.users.qwest.net/~niteh/bike >>>>> <snipped a buncha stuff> >>>>> [quoted text clipped - 22 lines] > I should quit posting after too many adult beverages . Y'all go back to > your regularly scheduled Troll Wars . Oh. Now I understand. Snag, next time I see you all your adult beverages are on my tab. (and it doesn't have to be ice-cold 12 oz cans of PBR) Banker >>>> <snipped a buncha stuff> >>>> [quoted text clipped - 20 lines] > > What flames??????? I'm very very confused. Banker >>> <snipped a buncha stuff> >>> [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > Might just be that's the best he can express how he felt about it . You > might consider meeting him halfway ... WTF Snag!!!!!! Where does THIS come from? Banker >> <snipped a buncha stuff> >> [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > Yeah.....he's gotta drink fast, his wife can't hold onto a glass....... OUCH! (but, for the record, it was knocked out of her hand) Banker >>> <snipped a buncha stuff> >>> [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > > Banker Good thing it wasn't full then....... SignatureSteve Irving (Irv) - BS#237/SLOB#12 http://www.users.qwest.net/~niteh/bike > Good thing it wasn't full then....... But it WAS top shelf tequila in those margaritas. Fins BS#221 >> Good thing it wasn't full then....... >> > But it WAS top shelf tequila in those margaritas. > > Fins BS#221 Then who would have f.cking DARED to knock the glass out of her hand.....damn heathens....... SignatureSteve Irving (Irv) - BS#237/SLOB#12 http://www.users.qwest.net/~niteh/bike >>> Good thing it wasn't full then....... >>> [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] >Then who would have f.cking DARED to knock the glass out of her hand.....damn >heathens....... RE Snarl... he was just goin' for a hug >>> Good thing it wasn't full then....... >>> [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > Then who would have f.cking DARED to knock the glass out of her hand.....damn > heathens....... Wouldn't have happened if everyone would've been packin'. >>>> Good thing it wasn't full then....... >>>> [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > > Wouldn't have happened if everyone would've been packin'. Mine was packed......in a saddlebag...... SignatureSteve Irving (Irv) - BS#237/SLOB#12 http://www.users.qwest.net/~niteh/bike >>>>> Good thing it wasn't full then....... >>>>> [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > > Mine was packed......in a saddlebag...... How's that work out for doin' quick draw? <g> >>>>>> Good thing it wasn't full then....... >>>>>> [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > > How's that work out for doin' quick draw? <g> Last time I saw a guy do a quick draw (which wasn't part of a wild west show), shot himself in the leg. Not only got him outa going to Vietnam, got him outa the Marine Corps. SignatureSteve Irving (Irv) - BS#237/SLOB#12 http://www.users.qwest.net/~niteh/bike > <snipped a buncha stuff> > [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > > Speaking of refreshing, have some refreshments on DM's tab. Thanks, don't mind if I do. Think Dennis will mind? Banker > Of course, Gnat chimes in with another opportunity to promote something > he's involved in. i provided a valid response to a question posted by another dealing in a field in which i have first hand experience. what did YOU provide to the conversation? > Suggesting Brinks is one thing, then adding the bit about being a dealer > just adds to the self-promoting bullshit i posted my affiliation so it would be known up front. if i hadnt of you would have accused me of trying to be sneaky by spamming him with a product that i happen to sell. i see no downside to being upfront and honest. SignatureNathan In Montana http://ConcealedCarryForum.com http://1911talk.com http://HiPowerTalk.com http://GlockCarry.com http://P7talk.com http://PPStalk.com >> Of course, Gnat chimes in with another opportunity to promote something >> he's involved in. [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > would have accused me of trying to be sneaky by spamming him with a product > that i happen to sell. i see no downside to being upfront and honest. FWIW, nor do I. It's not like your going to schlep from Montana to sell him and install a home security system or that you're going to somehow profit from it if he in fact buys one. Sometimes folks are a bit oversensitive to things like that, I think. -- spunky hussein ButI'veBeenWrongBefore tuna >>> Of course, Gnat chimes in with another opportunity to promote >>> something he's involved in. [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] > > Sometimes folks are a bit oversensitive to things like that, I think. They're just lashing out. -- John > FWIW, nor do I. It's not like your going to schlep from Montana to sell > him and install a home security system or that you're going to somehow > profit from it if he in fact buys one. > > Sometimes folks are a bit oversensitive to things like that, I think. thank you. i really was just trying to give the original poster valid information that would hopefully help him find a solution to his issue. SignatureNathan In Montana http://ConcealedCarryForum.com http://1911talk.com http://HiPowerTalk.com http://GlockCarry.com http://P7talk.com http://PPStalk.com > "Nathan W. Collier" <113@1657.com> wrote in message > > What are the other window options. I was thinking about drilling in > wires where they cannot be easily accessed and doing a simple wire > twist that would disengage when it is opened but cannot be access > closed. Here's an option - have them install TWO sets of BMS's on the windows to her room and any others where you fear she may try to sneak out. The second set would go on the OUTSIDE of the window, where she can't get to it. DO NOT tell her about the second set, though, and then you'll know when she's figured out the first set. Just a thought. Had a teenage daughter myself, and found out later that she snuck out quite regularly. Not a good story, although she did turn out okay in the long run. Rocky > your local BHS dealer can get you up and running for $99 with a 3 year > monitoring agreement OAC. its a solid system that can be had reasonably. I'd trade all that sh.t for a noisy beagle puppy. Signature"But I Don't Mean That in a Bad Way" Roach, a.shole#123, BS#196, Philly Hoodlum#2 >> your local BHS dealer can get you up and running for $99 with a 3 year >> monitoring agreement OAC. its a solid system that can be had reasonably. > > I'd trade all that sh.t for a noisy beagle puppy. I have 3 dogs out back in a kennel and 2 little almost a dogs in the house at night. The 3 outside bark whenever the rest of the neighborhood dogs bark and the 2 inside are dumber than dogshit (wife's dog's). I REALLY wish I could train them to do the job, but I normally just want to throw them somewhere. Thanks Roach. BoboTWG >> "BoboTWG" wrote: >> I'd trade all that sh.t for a noisy beagle puppy. Forgot about that beagle. We had one. Great dog and it did run off some prowlers one night due to its loud bark. Someone was in our backyard and began shining a flashlight at the curtains. The light was getting smaller in diameter as they got closer and the beagle inside somehow sensed something was up and went nuts with that braying bark and its hair stood up. After about a minute of it, whoever it was left over the fence. No doubt the beagle saved us from that one. He often would stick his nose in the air and bark when he sensed someone was approaching the house. Incredible sense of smell although that nose often led to annoying dog chases when he got loose. Had a large gander at one time. They honk a lot when strangers approach. Ours nipped strangers until he got to know them. He took after the UPS man once and didn't let go of his pants until he got in the truck. After that, he'd stay in his truck and blow his horn as he was afraid of the thing so we had to go to the truck. It would spread his wings out whenever he saw the truck. B~ B. Peg <bent_peg69@worldnet.att.net> jumped up and shouted: >>> "BoboTWG" wrote: >>> I'd trade all that sh.t for a noisy beagle puppy. [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > Incredible sense of smell although that nose often led to annoying > dog chases when he got loose. You're making me homesick. Today is my beagle's first birthday. :-) I miss her (and my lab) so much. She is a great watchdog, and would give Houdini a run for his money, for sure. lol Recently she figured out a way to go *over* the fence, so she could get to the park behind James' house. > Had a large gander at one time. They honk a lot when strangers > approach. Ours nipped strangers until he got to know them. He took [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > > B~ Those things are mean..... SignatureTattooed Goddess '05 FLSTC "Miss Scarlett" (In good hands in Alabama) Bitch #29/SLOB #10/BS #278 www.geocities.com/tatt00edgoddess/ > I'd trade all that sh.t for a noisy beagle puppy. lol...no argument there. little yappy dogs are pretty worthless for protection, but you cant beat them for notifying you when something is wrong. SignatureNathan In Montana http://ConcealedCarryForum.com http://1911talk.com http://HiPowerTalk.com http://GlockCarry.com http://P7talk.com http://PPStalk.com >> I'd trade all that sh.t for a noisy beagle puppy. > > lol...no argument there. little yappy dogs are pretty worthless for > protection, No they ain't. My chihuhua/yorkie mix has stopped two burglaries at my house while I wasn't there. Twice I found screens broken into, but unlocked windows were as far as they got. That little bitch would rip your nose off when she was young. roach > No they ain't. My chihuhua/yorkie mix has stopped two > burglaries at my house while I wasn't there. Twice I found > screens broken into, but unlocked windows were as far > as they got. That little bitch would rip your nose off > when she was young. I've got 4 little Lhasa Apso dogs, normally quiet as a church mouse. But they raise holy hell when they hear noises at the front porch, etc. They are by no means at all "guard dogs"......but as watchdogs, they do a great job. Bad guys want an opportunity, they want to get in and out, and they don't want any attention. A little, loud, yappy dog or two denies bad guys all of that. Of course I also double up on that by being home most of the time and exhibit plenty of activity so THAT is noticed. SignatureSteve Irving (Irv) - BS#237/SLOB#12 http://www.users.qwest.net/~niteh/bike > I've got 4 little Lhasa Apso dogs, normally quiet as a church mouse. > But they raise holy hell when they hear noises at the front porch, [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > Of course I also double up on that by being home most of the time and > exhibit plenty of activity so THAT is noticed. Is security that big an issue there? I have a monitored alarm but the only time it ever went off was when the "pet friendly" feature failed and had to be replaced. SignatureBob Mann Cap'n, ah need moor pow'r. >> I've got 4 little Lhasa Apso dogs, normally quiet as a church mouse. >> But they raise holy hell when they hear noises at the front porch, [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > > Is security that big an issue there? Not any more than anywhere I guess.........when we went to California for my daughter in law's funeral a couple years ago someone broke the window on my son's pickup (parked in the street in front of the house) and stole his fancy dancy stereo. We had a friend staying at the house to watch the dogs.....she never heard a thing. I park my truck in the driveway a lot, never a problem. Guy two doors down has had his truck broken into a couple times, but he does sh.t like leaving his wallet/checkbook, or cellphone laying on the front seat. He also stopped a couple blocks away on his way home from work one night to pick his kids up from the babysitter (left the truck running cause it was hot and he had the AC going)......he brought out one kid, strapped him into the car seat, went back for the second kid.....came out and the truck (and his kid) was MIA.....called 911 quick and recovered the truck a couple blocks away. Thief realized their was a kid in the back and ditched the truck QUICK. I've never personally had a problem. Our neighborhood is pretty quiet, we're tucked close in between two mountains with a flood control dam across the north side of us. Because of the layout there is literally NO through traffic. Also helps that in 10 years there's been very little "turnover" of neighbors...and new folks seem to fit right in. We all watch out for each other..... > I have a monitored alarm but the only time it ever went off was when the > "pet friendly" feature failed and had to be replaced. I had a monitored alarm system (ADT) in my last home (built this place in 1998)......it went off once, scared the bad guy away, still took the frikkin cops over an hour to show up....and then the city fined me 'cause the cop indicated no signs of forced entry on his report, means they thought it was a false alarm. Of course there's no explanation as to why the sliding glass door on the back porch was off it's track and open. I yanked out the alarm system after that, did all the stuff real security folks recommend and never had another problem. SignatureSteve Irving (Irv) - BS#237/SLOB#12 http://www.users.qwest.net/~niteh/bike >> your local BHS dealer can get you up and running for $99 with a 3 year >> monitoring agreement OAC. its a solid system that can be had reasonably. > >I'd trade all that sh.t for a noisy beagle puppy. yea, but they are always noisy! >> I have a beautiful, smart daughter that turned 15 this year. I am worried >> that there has been too many guys sniffing around and that she might not [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] > fob to arm/disarm....thats pretty handy). wireless components cause false > alarms and can be sensitive to interference rendering them useless. What about replacing the mag switch with a recessed micro switch in the window casing? might be harder to defeat but anything is possible... Luca > What about replacing the mag switch with a recessed micro switch in the > window casing? might be harder to defeat but anything is possible... i typically use recessed magnetic microswitches because if placed properly (inside the window case) they can be pretty dang hard to find even from the inside. plunger type microswitches will work and would be a little more difficult to bypass in some ways but easier to bypass in others. i did a service call where a window switch had "failed". turns out the teenage boy grabbed the plunger with a pair of pliers, pulled the switch from the wall, shorted the two wires together, and slid the switch back into the hole. another issue you have with plunger type switches is their rate of failure. i dont think ive ever had to replace a magnetic switch but have replaced many plunger switches (installed by other companies, i dont install plunger switches) with stuck plungers. they will certainly work, but require more maintenance. SignatureNathan In Montana http://ConcealedCarryForum.com http://1911talk.com http://HiPowerTalk.com http://GlockCarry.com http://P7talk.com http://PPStalk.com >> What about replacing the mag switch with a recessed micro switch in the >> window casing? might be harder to defeat but anything is possible... [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > dont install plunger switches) with stuck plungers. they will certainly > work, but require more maintenance. Makes sense. Luca |
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