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Terry Coombs - 18 Nov 2008 00:19 GMT After over nine years with the same employer , I have been laid off - permanently , it appears . Commercial millwork has always been a cutthroat market here , and the bunch of low-standard-I'm-only-here-for-a-paycheck hacks that work there now have ruined the reputation I built (I ran this shop before he got greedy and bought out a big shop) for quality products . Money's tight , G.C.'s are being more selective , and my former employer is a prick that's hated by most . And so work's down and I have been told my services are no longer needed . I give him six months . We shoulda stayed small .
Shirley , ya better set 'em up before they cut this card off ...
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Nasty - 18 Nov 2008 00:46 GMT > After over nine years with the same employer , I have been laid off - > permanently , it appears . Commercial millwork has always been a cutthroat [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > my services are no longer needed . > I give him six months . We shoulda stayed small . Well sh.t man. Sorry to hear this.
> Shirley , ya better set 'em up before they cut this card off ... Put your card away. I've got ya covered.
Terry Coombs - 18 Nov 2008 01:55 GMT >> After over nine years with the same employer , I have been laid >> off - permanently , it appears . Commercial millwork has always been [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > > Put your card away. I've got ya covered. Urrrp , thanks , man . It was time to move on anyway , the job had lost it's attraction - too much politickin' going on .
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1hogrider - 18 Nov 2008 01:08 GMT > prick that's hated by most . And so work's down and I have been told my > services are no longer needed . > I give him six months . We shoulda stayed small . > > Shirley , ya better set 'em up before they cut this card off ... Put the card back where it came from.....this one's on me....and get her to make you and sandwich or burger or whatever fills yer belly.
Terry Coombs - 18 Nov 2008 02:28 GMT >> prick that's hated by most . And so work's down and I have been told >> my services are no longer needed . [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > Put the card back where it came from.....this one's on me....and get > her to make you and sandwich or burger or whatever fills yer belly. The wife's homemade hamburger soup - you won't believe how good canned ingredients can be with a little spicin' up . Backed by a DoubleDickel , if'n ya please !
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caspr2 - 18 Nov 2008 01:22 GMT > After over nine years with the same employer , I have been laid off - > permanently , it appears . Damn, I sure hate to hear this Terry. I do believe he is going to be missing you before long.
Look at it this way, you will have allot more time for riding!
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Terry Coombs - 18 Nov 2008 01:58 GMT >> After over nine years with the same employer , I have been laid >> off - permanently , it appears . [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > Mike F. > caspr Or pursuing my metalworking hobbies - I'm getting set up to cast aluminum in my back yard ... This might just be the impetus to set me on a different career .
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spunky the tuna - 18 Nov 2008 14:22 GMT >>> After over nine years with the same employer , I have been laid >>> off - permanently , it appears . [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > in my back yard ... This might just be the impetus to set me on a different > career . If you're into back yard casting, you know about this guy, right?
http://www.backyardmetalcasting.com/
Looks like lots of fun to be had. -- spunky the what could possibly go wrong? tuna
Terry Coombs - 18 Nov 2008 16:31 GMT >>>> After over nine years with the same employer , I have been laid >>>> off - permanently , it appears . [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] > > Looks like lots of fun to be had. Not that specific site , no . But there's a ton of info on the 'net , including several email lists . I subscribe to the castinghobby group on yahoo . Got my furnace built , cured , and I've been making ingots from aluminum scrap for a week or so now . So far got some extrudium , some castium , and some 6061 in ingots . As soon as I get my sand right , I'm gonna start casting some trinkets ...
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roach AH#123 - 19 Nov 2008 03:30 GMT "Terry Coombs" <snagone@bellsouth.net> wrote >
> Or pursuing my metalworking hobbies - I'm getting set up to cast aluminum > in my back yard ... This might just be the impetus to set me on a > different career . There ya go. IIRC, every time I lost a job it turned out to be a good thing. Have a drink on me to you'r changed life.
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Terry Coombs - 19 Nov 2008 18:24 GMT > "Terry Coombs" <snagone@bellsouth.net> wrote > >> Or pursuing my metalworking hobbies - I'm getting set up to cast [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > > roach Thankee , sir ! We never know just what the coming day will bring ... Make that a double dose of Pete's Recipe in my coffee , please .
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Grumpy - 18 Nov 2008 01:26 GMT > After over nine years with the same employer , I have been laid off - > permanently , it appears . Commercial millwork has always been a cutthroat [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > > Shirley , ya better set 'em up before they cut this card off ... Ah ... that's not good news at all. I sincerely hope you land on your feet with a better job that leaves you with the last laugh. Sending some good juju your way ...
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Terry Coombs - 18 Nov 2008 02:01 GMT >> After over nine years with the same employer , I have been laid >> off - permanently , it appears . Commercial millwork has always been [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > feet with a better job that leaves you with the last laugh. Sending > some good juju your way ... Mmmm , juju , yummy ! I've just been considering a way to break into the home security game . Custom window guards , A/C surrounds , door jamb re-inforcements ... when times are tight , more break-ins , etc .
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Bluffalobob - 19 Nov 2008 02:45 GMT > Mmmm , juju , yummy ! I've just been considering a way to break into the >home security game . Custom window guards , A/C surrounds , door jamb >re-inforcements ... when times are tight , more break-ins , etc . Sorry about the loss of your job. But you are smart to look at other options and consider what sort of companies do well in a down economy. Places like pawn shops, storage facilities, and rental property management companies can flourish.
I was a locksmith for over 10 years, so I know a bit about home security. An easy way to get into the business is to work with apartment complexes and bid on their security needs. They are always rekeying, installing keyless deadbolts and patio door locks. The down side is that you have to buy the hardware upfront, and sometimes wait until 30 days after the job is finished to get paid. Kinda hard on the little guy.
Terry Coombs - 19 Nov 2008 18:27 GMT >> Mmmm , juju , yummy ! I've just been considering a way to break >> into the home security game . Custom window guards , A/C surrounds , [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > until 30 days after the job is finished to get paid. Kinda hard on the > little guy. I'm thinking more along the lines of door jamb reinforcement , window A/C security surrounds , and window bars . Already tooled up do do that in limited quantities . I expect an upsurge in break-ins ...
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frito - 20 Nov 2008 00:17 GMT "Terry Coombs" wrote in message
> I expect an upsurge in break-ins ... In Memphis?? How could you tell?
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Terry Coombs - 20 Nov 2008 00:40 GMT > "Terry Coombs" wrote in message > >> I expect an upsurge in break-ins ... > > In Memphis?? How could you tell? Look , man . I'm unemployed now and can't afford to be spewing brandy all over the screen . So knock it off ! To answer your question , you can't , but it makes a helluva marketing ploy . Gonna make up a flyer with tear-off phone numbers (you've seen 'em in the grocery stores , on the bulletin board) offering non-fancy security solutions - window bars , A/C units , door jamb reinforcements . Cheap , effective , ugly , and profitable to me . Nuff said .
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Andy aka Big Stinkie - 20 Nov 2008 03:38 GMT >> "Terry Coombs" wrote in message >> [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > Cheap , effective , ugly , and profitable to me . > Nuff said . You could always get into emergency marshmallow stick repair. <sfsf>
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Pete - 20 Nov 2008 15:04 GMT >>> "Terry Coombs" wrote in message >>> [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > Andy aka Big "I wish I could find that video again" Stinkie BS#252 > SLOB#3 youtube Andy, youtube! Must be the time of the year, I just got a call from Jackie this AM, she was on her was home, she got fired because of some lame a.s sh.t, the Vet's been letting all the other staff go and making Jackie fill in doing everything, so in a moment of forgetfulness, she forget to call the lab for some blood work, so the Vet had to pull blood from a cat again, that's why she was fired. Friggin morons!
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Andy aka Big Stinkie - 20 Nov 2008 15:37 GMT >>>> "Terry Coombs" wrote in message >>>> [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > > youtube Andy, youtube! I know...I just can't remember what the title was, etc. in order to find it. I'll keep looking.
> Must be the time of the year, I just got a call from Jackie this AM, she was > on her was home, she got fired because of some lame a.s sh.t, the Vet's been > letting all the other staff go and making Jackie fill in doing everything, > so in a moment of forgetfulness, she forget to call the lab for some blood > work, so the Vet had to pull blood from a cat again, that's why she was > fired. Friggin morons! Jeesh. There's a lot of that going around! Things will get better, though. It always does. Might be a few years, but it'll get better. We all gotta hunker down and keep our powder dry. (Don't know exactly what that means, but it sounds good.)
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Terry Coombs - 20 Nov 2008 19:16 GMT >>>> "Terry Coombs" wrote in message >>>> [quoted text clipped - 22 lines] > call the lab for some blood work, so the Vet had to pull blood from a > cat again, that's why she was fired. Friggin morons! That sucks , Pete ! You're not the only one , another netscum emailed me that his wife got laid off - 15 yrs on the job . I haven't seen him make it public , so I won't either . We be tightening our belts ... I have a feeling we've only seen the beginning of this sh.t , people be nervous . Nervous people don't invest ...
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Pete - 20 Nov 2008 20:35 GMT >>>>> "Terry Coombs" wrote in message >>>>> [quoted text clipped - 29 lines] > beginning of this sh.t , people be nervous . Nervous people don't > invest ... Hang in there, waiting for a better times for all. (lets all hope) "Jan20 2009, the end of a error"
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Terry Coombs - 20 Nov 2008 21:42 GMT > Hang in there, waiting for a better times for all. (lets all hope) > "Jan20 2009, the end of a error" Isn't that the date everything ends ? Some calender er sumpin ... Time will tell !!
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Rand McNally - 21 Nov 2008 13:36 GMT >> Hang in there, waiting for a better times for all. (lets all hope) >> "Jan20 2009, the end of a error" > > Isn't that the date everything ends ? Some calender er sumpin ... Time > will tell !! It all ends in December 2012. Unless it doesn't. Mayan calendar.
Actual scholars disagree, some say it is the end of one epoch and the beginning of the next, but then so is getting out of bed in the morning afaiac.
Coffee's on, if'n yer inclined.
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Schmoe - 18 Nov 2008 01:40 GMT > After over nine years with the same employer , I have been laid off - > permanently , it appears . Commercial millwork has always been a cutthroat [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > > Shirley , ya better set 'em up before they cut this card off ... Naw, I'll get this round. That sucks Terry, very sorry to read it. We're in a world of hurt right now, hope things turn around soon and you pick up with someplace better and wiser.
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Terry Coombs - 18 Nov 2008 02:03 GMT >> After over nine years with the same employer , I have been laid >> off - permanently , it appears . Commercial millwork has always been [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > We're in a world of hurt right now, hope things turn around soon and > you pick up with someplace better and wiser. I'm thinkin' back in business for myself ... I like the hours . Benefits suck though .
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Ryder Rick - 18 Nov 2008 03:13 GMT >>> After over nine years with the same employer , I have been laid >>> off - permanently , it appears . Commercial millwork has always been [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > I'm thinkin' back in business for myself ... I like the hours . Benefits > suck though . And the boss is an a.shole, but you get any day you want off......
Terry Coombs - 18 Nov 2008 03:37 GMT >>>> After over nine years with the same employer , I have been laid >>>> off - permanently , it appears . Commercial millwork has always [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] > > And the boss is an a.shole, but you get any day you want off...... Pretty much ... might make some of those trips I've "always wanted to do" more feasible . We'll see .
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Schmoe - 18 Nov 2008 12:39 GMT >>>>> After over nine years with the same employer , I have been laid >>>>> off - permanently , it appears . Commercial millwork has always [quoted text clipped - 19 lines] > Pretty much ... might make some of those trips I've "always wanted to do" > more feasible . We'll see . Not that it's your goal but I read an article recently that said a very high (forget the exact %) of the S&P 500 companies were created during major economic down cycles. It's when American creativity and ingenuity in business are most valued. With all the companies going out of business, a quality service oriented young business is most appreciated by established customers.
Good luck whatever you decide. Life's short, ride often.
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George Pollard - 18 Nov 2008 01:51 GMT > After over nine years with the same employer , I have been laid off - > permanently , it appears . Commercial millwork has always been a cutthroat [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > services are no longer needed . > I give him six months . We shoulda stayed small .
> Shirley , ya better set 'em up before they cut this card off ... Nah, yers are on the house tonight.
That sucks, Snag. Here's hoping you find something better quickly, maybe in Arkansas?
Good luck my friend.
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Terry Coombs - 18 Nov 2008 02:07 GMT >> After over nine years with the same employer , I have been laid >> off - permanently , it appears . Commercial millwork has always been [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] > > Good luck my friend. Gotta let the wife finish her national teacher certs where she is right now . Maybe in a year or two we'll head up there . I got a couple of ideas for the interim . Back in business for myself , most likely .
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SKooter Bum - 18 Nov 2008 01:54 GMT > After over nine years with the same employer , I have been laid > off - permanently , it appears . Commercial millwork has always been [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > > Shirley , ya better set 'em up before they cut this card off ... Ya cards no good, run on my tab for a while.
Terry Coombs - 18 Nov 2008 02:08 GMT >> After over nine years with the same employer , I have been laid >> off - permanently , it appears . Commercial millwork has always been [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] >> > Ya cards no good, run on my tab for a while. Thanks , man , I'll have another DoubleDickel to celebrate my good fortune . This is just the kick in the a.s I needed to put all those metalworking tools to earnin' their keep !
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LarryInEastTn - 18 Nov 2008 02:07 GMT > After over nine years with the same employer , I have been laid off - > permanently , it appears . Commercial millwork has always been a cutthroat [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > I give him six months . We shoulda stayed small .> Shirley , ya better > set 'em up before they cut this card off ... Damn man that sucks. OTOH it might be a chance to move forward & become your own boss in the camping/motorcycle field. Good luck. Next time I come to the hood, I'll buy the beer @ the Flying Saucer.
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Terry Coombs - 18 Nov 2008 02:19 GMT >> After over nine years with the same employer , I have been laid >> off - permanently , it appears . Commercial millwork has always been [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > become your own boss in the camping/motorcycle field. Good luck. Next > time I come to the hood, I'll buy the beer @ the Flying Saucer. Are they still open ? For right now , it kinda leans towards self-employment . BTW , I think I might have an idea for your floorboards . Think replaceable disc of 4140 on a stud on the underside of the board . Spins n sparks ... and can be set far enough back that the edge isn't a danger to passersby .
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caspr2 - 18 Nov 2008 02:37 GMT > LarryInEastTn sets the mason jar down and says;
>> Damn man that sucks. OTOH it might be a chance to move forward & >> become your own boss in the camping/motorcycle field. Good luck. Next >> time I come to the hood, I'll buy the beer @ the Flying Saucer. Snag drops the bottle of Dickel scraches his head and says;
> Are they still open ? For right now , it kinda leans towards > self-employment . BTW , I think I might have an idea for your floorboards > . Think replaceable disc of 4140 on a stud on the underside of the board . > Spins n sparks ... and can be set far enough back that the edge isn't a > danger to passersby . Terry, don't give him an excuse to try harder to drag his floorboards.
I can see the headlines now, East Tn Biker starts forest fire and burns down the entire National Forest.
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Terry Coombs - 18 Nov 2008 02:48 GMT >> LarryInEastTn sets the mason jar down and says; > [quoted text clipped - 18 lines] > Mike F. > caspr Hey , who am I to crush a man's groove ? Especially if I cain't be held liable !! sh.t , it's for the softy ain't it ? They drag boards if ya sneeze hard . I have yet to drag anything on Strider . Looked at my back tire after the last trip to Arkansas , and there was contact all the way to the edge of the tread . Sheeeit , I had no idee I was pushin' it that hard . Though I did lose sight of Arky Les on his Buell behind me a couple of times ...
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DM - 18 Nov 2008 02:52 GMT > After over nine years with the same employer , I have been laid off - > permanently , it appears . Commercial millwork has always been a cutthroat [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > > Shirley , ya better set 'em up before they cut this card off ... So sorry to hear that Snag, I know you took pride in the work you did there. Go carve your initials in the desktop you did for him.
Hopefully your talents won't go unused for long. Might be time to look for something in the Searcy/Heber Springs area?
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Terry Coombs - 18 Nov 2008 03:06 GMT >> After over nine years with the same employer , I have been laid >> off - permanently , it appears . Commercial millwork has always been [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] > > Fins BS#221 Actually , I think I might make up a few cards and scatter them in some of the nicer neighborhoods near me - custom window guards and A/C security surrounds . I suspect with times as tight as they be gettin' here , break-ins and A/C and condenser thefts are going to lurch upwards . Bout time those tools paid their keep . And somewhere on the underside of that desk is carved "Snag" .
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Andy aka Big Stinkie - 18 Nov 2008 03:20 GMT > After over nine years with the same employer , I have been laid off - > permanently , it appears . Commercial millwork has always been a cutthroat [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > > Shirley , ya better set 'em up before they cut this card off ... Well sh.t. Crap. Fecal matter. Dog waste. That isn't the kind of news I like to read.
I was laid off (OK...I was fired) once, and I ended up getting a much better job. Did a stint at the local Radio Shack whilst things were being put in order, but ya gotta do what ya gotta do. You're resourceful. You'll land on your feet.
You could become an entrepreneur and take out a small business loan. It wouldn't have to be a big one...how much does a ski-mask and a sawed of shotgun cost, anyway?
Seriously, I hope things work out. Put your card away cuz you can drink on my tab all night.
Andy
Terry Coombs - 18 Nov 2008 03:44 GMT >> After over nine years with the same employer , I have been laid >> off - permanently , it appears . Commercial millwork has always been [quoted text clipped - 24 lines] > > Andy Thanks , Andy ! Already got the prerequisites for that job - but sub a "shiny gun , and it was so BIG !!" for the sawed off . I'm starting to list things I can do as a SoleProprietorIncorporatedUnderSubChapterS , but armed robbery hasn't made the list . Yet .
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Greg O - 18 Nov 2008 03:46 GMT > After over nine years with the same employer , I have been laid off - > permanently , it appears . Commercial millwork has always been a cutthroat [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > > Shirley , ya better set 'em up before they cut this card off ... sh.t man, that sucks! What is the outlook for finding another shop that may appreciate you talents? And when ever the others quit buying, I'll take over. Your money isn't any good here!
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Terry Coombs - 18 Nov 2008 04:06 GMT >> After over nine years with the same employer , I have been laid >> off - permanently , it appears . Commercial millwork has always been [quoted text clipped - 18 lines] > And when ever the others quit buying, I'll take over. Your money > isn't any good here! I'm thinking about moving over to metal , got a couple of tools and some ideas . And the will to survive ... did I mention I'm setting up an aluminum foundry in my back yard ? Modified Gingery design , and I've already cast a few ~2 lb ingots . Small , but economical . Cast parts ... One-off's ... and machine shop facilities to finish stuff . Oh goodness , I'm makin' me all quivery ! Seriously , I'm gonna check out fabbin' window bars and A/C guards , I suspect there's a market . Times be gettin' nervous heah ...
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nunya - 18 Nov 2008 18:30 GMT <snip>
> What is the outlook for finding another shop that may appreciate you > talents? > And when ever the others quit buying, I'll take over. Your money isn't any > good here! tough market for jobs around here:
over the past ten years i have had less than 5 talented gringos walk in the door looking for a job. in the same time frame i have hired, fired and lost over 50 useless warts on society whose only goal was to ride the clock until friday. over the past three months i have had an average of two or three talented men a week walk in the door. most of these had jobs where they had dedicated years to the company store only to get sent home as soon as things got tough. now i am getting someone walking in the door begging for work almost every day.
i told my guys that they were guaranteed their agreed on salary until may savings were tapped and i went broke. the captain here (me) plans to go down with the ship and put the help in the last lifeboat. one of my three full time guys i had six months ago, one got himself thrown in jail three times in a 90 day period. i bailed him out twice and the third time i left him in the pokey. now he is jobless and incarcerated. *idiot*
another of my full timers quit his job in july for a job that offered 2 bucks an hour more than i paid him. now he is laid off from that job and came back looking for his guaranteed 40. i had to work not to laugh in his face. *idiot*
now all i have is one full timer and one part timer in addition to myself and my wife who works out of the office at the house keeping the day to day books. which is actually quite lucky for me.
my full time guy is spending at least two days a week cleaning, organizing and remodeling. my part time guy is doing the same mostly. i have enough squirreled away to continue like this for at least a year without selling another job if that is what it takes. but i can't hire on any new folks without being able to justify it. work has slowed even for me.
folks that don't think far enough ahead to recession proof thier business deserve to fail. a new suburban for the wife, a hummer for themselves, a bigger house with a pool, financed vacations and the like is usually what kills a business when things get slow. this is not always the case but the bank ain't about to come get my paid for 11 year old truck. no stupid unneccesary payments allows me to honor a commitment i have made to my workers.
yesterday i had two highly qualified men walk in looking for work. one said he needed a minimum of 15 bucks an hour with a guaranteed 40 to start. right now he has a guaranteed zero bucks and hour with a guaranteed zero hours per week; and he is wanting a guarantee from me? the other guy said he would do anything for anything. he even said he would do day labor for as little as 7 bucks an hour. where were these guys when times were good? where will they go the instant times get better?
the only full time guy i have is coming in and working about 30 hours a week and he is still getting paid for 40. he has lost the overtime he was used to getting but he is not complaining even a little bit. of those 30 about one third is busy work. he will get his 40 as long as he shows up and i am still alive. he will even get his Christmas bonus as always. if the other two hadn't thrown their jobs in the toilet right before the economic crap hit the fan they would have the same deal. luckily for me they were as stupid (or did i mean greedy) as most people seem to be.
i hate it for the people that are losing thier businesses and thier jobs. but in some cases both deserve it. if you hold your boss up for too much money when times are good guess where your going when times are bad. of course there is not much loyalty left in business.
in many other cases, people that gave thier souls to the company store are getting screwed.
a good friend of mine just lost a job they had held for 19 years with a perfect work record. i have a cousin that has 27 years in with one of the big unions that is supposed to be protecting them. after a 27 year perfect work record they had had two official reprimands in the past six months. both completely unwarranted. after three they are officially fired and lose their really good 30 year retirement benefit package. the two other people in thier shop with over 25 years on the job have also received reprimands for the first time in thier lives. the union that they dedicated thier lives to and paid dues to is purposely making a case to fire them before they qualify for thier retirement package. they will keep the 401k's but loose the lifetime health benfits they were promised.
so if your boss is keeping you on in hard times, remember that in the good times. if your boss is giving you the heave ho, then have shirley pour you a double on my tab. the sad thing is folks are blaming the current president for our situation. if he is responsible, i wonder how he had so much power as to trash the japanese economy, the european economy and what looks like the chinese economy to boot? i think it is human greed that caused this. not just one particular administrations actions. it is bigger than that. michael
SteveT - 18 Nov 2008 05:07 GMT :We shoulda stayed small . Sounds like the same disease that kills lots of small businesses.
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me@nospam.com - 18 Nov 2008 11:55 GMT > After over nine years with the same employer , I have been laid off - >permanently , it appears . Commercial millwork has always been a cutthroat [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] >services are no longer needed . > I give him six months . We shoulda stayed small . maybe growth woulda been good had your boss known how to handle it, sounds like ya'll did some good stuff at one time.
I'm actually about to do a bid that I know will be a waste of time, on one hand I have one fellow pushing me to do it,. and on another I know the dollar scrunches will go for the savings of overseas manufacturing
> Shirley , ya better set 'em up before they cut this card off ... Terry Coombs - 18 Nov 2008 12:13 GMT >> After over nine years with the same employer , I have been laid >> off - permanently , it appears . Commercial millwork has always been [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] > >> Shirley , ya better set 'em up before they cut this card off ... Large cabinet/millwork companies here seldom last more than eight-ten years . It's always been a tough market , and tough economic times have aggravated that . It mighta helped if we hadn't had two plant managers in a row that were more intent on their own gain , at the cost of product quality (bonus's for "saving money") . I say build a few , build 'em very very well , and stay in business . He tried to mass-market semi-custom cabinetry , and that market doesn't lend itself well to big shops . Doesn't help that the owner and his right-hand -asslicker have been drawing huge bonuses , instead of capitalizing the company . I hope he has many sleepless nights in the future , trying in vain to prop up a dying business . Might be different if the G.C.s around here liked him , but both guys are pretty much universally laughed at and hated . That coupled with the decline in quality has effectively killed the business . I'm pretty sure a big part of all that new eqpt (like a $200k CNC router) was bought on credit ... and he's sold most of the manual machinery at yard sale prices . When the house of cards falls - and I'm betting it's less than six months now - he's going to lose the whole shootin' match . Be lucky if they don't get his house and cars too .
But I'll be busy doing small jobs , and doing them very very well .
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me@nospam.com - 18 Nov 2008 12:34 GMT >>> Shirley , ya better set 'em up before they cut this card off ... > [quoted text clipped - 18 lines] > > But I'll be busy doing small jobs , and doing them very very well . My boss refrained from buying a table cutter for quite some time now, I think he has made the right choice, even though during the busiest times it would had cut production times down in the area of 70% without adding any help, what he did do though was give other people a job, some part time yea, and some only for a short period (maybe a couple month's) but none the less it had people earning a wage instead of a 150,000.00 machine that would had cut the full time employees in half year round and would had never need the part time help, plus he still has his 150k instead of some other company. Now if someone would just make a smaller version of this cutter affordable that may be a different story, I just cant see how they can cost 150k, a reciprocating blade cutter with a marker on it should be able to be made for far less today.
Terry Coombs - 18 Nov 2008 12:51 GMT >>>> Shirley , ya better set 'em up before they cut this card off ... >> [quoted text clipped - 34 lines] > reciprocating blade cutter with a marker on it should be able to be > made for far less today. There are some out there that can be "home-built" for a lot less - driven by a PC . Shop Bot is one inexpensive alternative .
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me@nospam.com - 18 Nov 2008 12:57 GMT On Tue, 18 Nov 2008 06:51:01 -0600, "Terry Coombs" <snagone@bellsouth.
>> reciprocating blade cutter with a marker on it should be able to be >> made for far less today. > > There are some out there that can be "home-built" for a lot less - driven >by a PC . Shop Bot is one inexpensive alternative . for material and dense foams, needs a bristle bed with vacuum to hold the material
nunya - 18 Nov 2008 17:35 GMT "Terry Coombs" <snagone@bellsouth.net> wrote in message news:SPyUk.65784
>> <snagone@bellsouth.net> wrote: <snip the details, especially tom's drivel> <g>
> There are some out there that can be "home-built" for a lot less - driven > by a PC . Shop Bot is one inexpensive alternative . if you start working for yourself and need some piece work off a cnc router, i would be happy to cut whatever you might need for next to nothing. my normal rate to run my router is 100 bucks an hour minimum, but for an RMH'er i could probably do it for less than half that. it might save you enough time on some jobs to make it profitable if shipping doesn't eat you up. having this in your toolbox without having to outlay the cash may help you sell something you couldn't produce economically.
oh yeah, i am full 3D capable. i can machine busts of people nature scenes and the like. here is a link to what my router/software package is capable of:
http://www.artcampro.com/gallery/gallery_index.asp
our normal substrates are wood, high density foam, acrylic, corian, aluminum, brass and bronze. michael
*disclaimer* this ain't a stinking sales gimmic. just offering to help a fellow RMH type person. shirley, set everyone up and give Snag an order of nachos to go with his wife's home made soup.
me@nospam.com - 18 Nov 2008 19:50 GMT >"Terry Coombs" <snagone@bellsouth.net> wrote in message news:SPyUk.65784 >>> <snagone@bellsouth.net> wrote: > >if you start working for yourself and need some piece work off a cnc router, >i would be happy to cut whatever you might need for next to nothing. my
>*disclaimer* this ain't a stinking sales gimmic. just offering to help a >fellow RMH type person. shirley, set everyone up and give Snag an order of >nachos to go with his wife's home made soup. and that fellow RMH'r is worthy, you can take my personal word for that!
Tom - Barkeep setup snag with a double as soon as he quits playin with that smelter he made!
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Terry Coombs - 19 Nov 2008 18:55 GMT >> "Terry Coombs" <snagone@bellsouth.net> wrote in message >> news:SPyUk.65784 [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] > > www.howobamagotelected.com Well , technically it's a foundry , not a smelter ... though -ah well , better not go there . Just got back from winterizing the wife's camper , now it gots skirts too . They don't looks as nice as - well , better not go there either ! Thanks for the kind words , Tom . Gotta lay off the booze for a while this afternoon . If I can get the sand mix right , I'll be pouring something besides an ingot this afternoon . Dunno what yet ...
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me@nospam.com - 19 Nov 2008 20:02 GMT >> www.howobamagotelected.com > >Well , technically it's a foundry , not a smelter ... though -ah well , yea, but SMELTer sounds so much better, I' figgered you like it <g>
>better not go there . Just got back from winterizing the wife's camper , now >it gots skirts too . They don't looks as nice as - well , better not go >there either ! > Thanks for the kind words , Tom . Gotta lay off the booze for a while this >afternoon . If I can get the sand mix right , I'll be pouring something >besides an ingot this afternoon . Dunno what yet ... well pour m e a 6" long by 2" wide with a 32degree angle off one end stopping at 1.5" height piece of metal, I can set up to do the drilling
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Old Crow - 20 Nov 2008 10:23 GMT >>> "Terry Coombs" <snagone@bellsouth.net> wrote in message >>> news:SPyUk.65784 [quoted text clipped - 23 lines] > this afternoon . If I can get the sand mix right , I'll be pouring > something besides an ingot this afternoon . Dunno what yet ... Too bad. I was thinking you could name it Snag's Helter Smelter.
Don't have anything that ryhmes with "foundry"
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spunky the tuna - 20 Nov 2008 14:35 GMT >>>> "Terry Coombs" <snagone@bellsouth.net> wrote in message >>>> news:SPyUk.65784 [quoted text clipped - 25 lines] > > Too bad. I was thinking you could name it Snag's Helter Smelter. Oh yeah! That's perfect! -- spunky can hear the Beatles music blaring from loudspeakers on the corners of the roof tuna
Tud - 18 Nov 2008 12:52 GMT Terry Coombs wrote...
> After over nine years with the same employer , I have been laid off - > permanently , it appears . Commercial millwork has always been a cutthroat [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > > Shirley , ya better set 'em up before they cut this card off ... Shitty news Snag. But to look on the bright side, if you stuck it out for the next six months he'd have declared bankruptcy and you'd be on your a.s with nothing in your pocket. I've been laid off due to bankruptcy 3 times before landing this job, and each time it ended up being a step forward instead of back, of course I'm young and handsome, and you're..well..you. <d&r>
I'll be sending some good vibes your way. Any chance you can parley the reputation you built into your own small shop?
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Terry Coombs - 18 Nov 2008 16:39 GMT > Terry Coombs wrote... >> After over nine years with the same employer , I have been laid [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] > up being a step forward instead of back, of course I'm young and > handsome, and you're..well..you. <d&r> And that's probably part of the reason I'm in the first cut - I may not have a number , but I can act the part . I made an enemy of the boss' earliest employee/almost partner years ago . I suspect he was lobbying hard so send me packin' .
> I'll be sending some good vibes your way. Any chance you can parley > the reputation you built into your own small shop? I'm not sure I want to stay in cabinet work . I'm having too much fun playing with metal , may be able to change courses and make that a viable means of support . Anything honest for a buck right now ...
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Al - 18 Nov 2008 13:21 GMT > After over nine years with the same employer , I have been laid off - > permanently , it appears . Geez, that sucks. By the length of this thread I'd guess ya got plenty of sorry's Snag, so I'll just wish ya good fortune with some luck thrown in.
Terry Coombs - 18 Nov 2008 16:39 GMT >> After over nine years with the same employer , I have been laid >> off - permanently , it appears . > > Geez, that sucks. By the length of this thread I'd guess ya got > plenty of sorry's Snag, so I'll just wish ya good fortune with some > luck thrown in. Thanks Al , I appreciate it .
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Al - 18 Nov 2008 17:35 GMT >>> After over nine years with the same employer , I have been laid >>> off - permanently , it appears . [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > Thanks Al , I appreciate it . You're a talented craftsman in several arenas. No doubt you'll do fine and probably be happier.
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What me worry? - 18 Nov 2008 13:38 GMT On Mon, 17 Nov 2008 18:19:28 -0600, "Terry Coombs" <snagone@bellsouth.net> backed into a tree whilst ridin inna park then wrote:
> After over nine years with the same employer , I have been laid off - >permanently , it appears . Commercial millwork has always been a cutthroat [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > > Shirley , ya better set 'em up before they cut this card off ... Aw man sorry to hear that kind of news. Sounds like ya got some good ideas to work out of it.
Kinda in the same boat here as far as work. Movin to a cheaper place at the end O the month. Hope your new en devours are a success! I got two bottles of Dickel and would be very willing to share with ya anytime.
Good Luck to ya Snag!!
danl
Terry Coombs - 18 Nov 2008 16:41 GMT > On Mon, 17 Nov 2008 18:19:28 -0600, "Terry Coombs" > <snagone@bellsouth.net> backed into a tree whilst ridin inna park then [quoted text clipped - 24 lines] > > danl Hey , we can commiserate whilst chuggin' shots ! Hope your situation gets better too . Kinda shitty timing , but then the shittyness is the reason ... and that statement calls for another shot <glug> .
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spunky the tuna - 18 Nov 2008 14:19 GMT > After over nine years with the same employer , I have been laid off - > permanently , it appears . Commercial millwork has always been a cutthroat [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > > Shirley , ya better set 'em up before they cut this card off ... Sorry to hear this. I know it's no comfort that there's a shitload of that going around, but you're in good company. -- spunky the tuna
Terry Coombs - 18 Nov 2008 16:46 GMT >> After over nine years with the same employer , I have been laid >> off - permanently , it appears . Commercial millwork has always been [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > Sorry to hear this. I know it's no comfort that there's a shitload of > that going around, but you're in good company. Called the emp security office a while ago , they said claims are first come first served . Come now and it's a five hour wait . Line starts forming at seven am ... they open at eight . I'll be there at 6:45 in full leathers ... Guess who's gonna be first in line ? I figger it's been over fifteen years since I was unemployed , least I can do is file for some benefits .
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Rand McNally - 18 Nov 2008 14:56 GMT > After over nine years with the same employer , I have been laid off - > permanently , it appears . Commercial millwork has always been a cutthroat [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > > Shirley , ya better set 'em up before they cut this card off ... Yer gonna be fine man. All I'm hearing right now is Aretha belting out "freedom...Freedom...FREEdom...FREEDOM!!!" with the Blues Brothers blowing it loud and proud. Good luck!
Oh, and ... 'ere.
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Terry Coombs - 18 Nov 2008 16:48 GMT >> After over nine years with the same employer , I have been laid >> off - permanently , it appears . Commercial millwork has always been [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > > Oh, and ... 'ere. Thanks , man ! I've always managed to land on my feet . Of course sometimes I landed on a different road ... gettin' into cabinet makin' was purely by accident . I liked it , so kept at it . Might be time for some metalwork ...
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Uncle Meat - 18 Nov 2008 15:04 GMT Terry Coombs [mailto:snagone@bellsouth.net] writes
> After over nine years with the same employer , I have been laid off > - permanently , it appears . Commercial millwork has always been a [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > prick that's hated by most . And so work's down and I have been told > my services are no longer needed . Bummer. For the short-term, anyway. I'm sorry to hear.
I haven't had the pleasure of meeting you, but from what I see here you're smart, multi-talented, resourceful and motivated. I'm betting you'll land on your feet running.
> I give him six months . We shoulda stayed small . You mentioned the possibility of going _back_ to work for yourself. Then you already know the kind of effort that takes. Moreso today than ever, I reckon. Looking backward too much, especially if you're looking for satisfaction in the troubles of another, can be distracting. Unsolicited advice: don't bother. (If you happen to notice it, though, it might be worth a smile.)
> Shirley , ya better set 'em up before they cut this card off ... Nah, put it away. You're on my tab for a while.
Uncle Meat
Terry Coombs - 19 Nov 2008 19:11 GMT > Terry Coombs [mailto:snagone@bellsouth.net] writes > [quoted text clipped - 28 lines] > > Uncle Meat There was a time when looking back and wanting revenge , or wishing him ill would have been on my mind . Screw that , there's a great big wide world of knowledge out there that I don't have yet . I kinda have a tentative approach to a possible plan ... I'll take whatever comes around and run with it . Having been in business before , I have a pretty good idea of the pitfalls - the biggie is quarterly payments to Big Brother . Good accounting is essential , as is doing what you promise when you promised it . At least I won't be looking at any major tool outlays ! Might need a miter saw , and probably a nail gun or two , but that is about it . And that will depend on where fate takes me ...
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Timo Geusch - 18 Nov 2008 21:16 GMT > After over nine years with the same employer , I have been laid off - > permanently , it appears . Oops, not good. Sorry to hear that.
> I give him six months . We shoulda stayed small . The story of most businesses - if it's only a few people you're normally able to survive, if you go all OCC with the big building and lots more people, you might stare into an abyss very soon.
> Shirley , ya better set 'em up before they cut this card off ... Forget it, have a cold one of your choice on me while I've still got this here consulting gig.
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Terry Coombs - 19 Nov 2008 18:58 GMT >> After over nine years with the same employer , I have been laid >> off - permanently , it appears . [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > Forget it, have a cold one of your choice on me while I've still got > this here consulting gig. How 'bout a nice hot cuppa coffee instead ? Thanks ! I kinda though the guy was stretching too far . Not certain , but I'm beginning to suspect he financed some of this expansion with sub-prime loans . Against rental properties that are held by his daughter's trust fund ... Oops .
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Timo Geusch - 19 Nov 2008 21:55 GMT > >> After over nine years with the same employer , I have been laid > > > off - permanently , it appears . [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > > How 'bout a nice hot cuppa coffee instead ? Thanks ! Sure, whatever they're serving in here.
> I kinda though the guy was stretching too far . Not certain , but I'm > beginning to suspect he financed some of this expansion with > sub-prime loans . Against rental properties that are held by his > daughter's trust fund ... Oops . Aiieee. I'm occasionally sailing a little close to the wind financially but that's a bit screwy.
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Pete - 19 Nov 2008 14:41 GMT > After over nine years with the same employer , I have been laid off > - permanently , it appears . Commercial millwork has always been a [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > shoulda stayed small . > Shirley , ya better set 'em up before they cut this card off ... No fuckin way, I can't belive it...man I am so sorry to hear this, this one's on me Terry, your money's no good here.
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Terry Coombs - 19 Nov 2008 19:03 GMT >> After over nine years with the same employer , I have been laid off >> - permanently , it appears . Commercial millwork has always been a [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > No fuckin way, I can't belive it...man I am so sorry to hear this, > this one's on me Terry, your money's no good here. Way , man , way . I kinda figured layoffs were coming , but I was absolutely pole-axed when I was the first to go . The man has no feelings . He has only his greed , which is how we got to this point . I bet he lays awake nights wishing we were still in that three man shop , with a tenth the overhead he now has . What's sad is that the increase in income was not equal to the increase in size - over triple the size for less than twice the income .
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Pete - 19 Nov 2008 19:35 GMT >>> After over nine years with the same employer , I have been laid >>> off - permanently , it appears . Commercial millwork has always [quoted text clipped - 18 lines] > increase in income was not equal to the increase in size - over > triple the size for less than twice the income . Well hell, the former comany owner here was the same way, layoff's were a natural occurance to meet the bottom line, for a company that has only 6,000 employee's we had 2 corporate jets, a NASCAR (truck) we sponsered (his son was the driver) and a nice golf course in Casa. I'm hoping this will eventually be a good thing for ya Terry, I know lots of folks here that got laid off, never looked back, and are doing quite well. We wish you only the best man and don't hesitate if you need ANYTHING.
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Chuck Eaves - 20 Nov 2008 00:55 GMT > After over nine years with the same employer , I have been laid off - > permanently , it appears . Commercial millwork has always been a cutthroat [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > > Shirley , ya better set 'em up before they cut this card off ... That sucks a.s, Snag.
If I can do anything let me know.
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tom koehler - 20 Nov 2008 03:22 GMT > After over nine years with the same employer , I have been laid off - > permanently , it appears . You have grit, know-how, and friends. It is gonna be tight for awhile, and it will take some self-discipline to greet each day bright and early just like when you were working for someone else. I've been laid off several times, and so am familiar with a little bit of what you are dealing with. A big advantage you have is the willingness and ability to go out on your own hook, rather than looking for another employer. With your foundry setup and your cabinetmaking skills --> patternmaking skills you can do some custom casting and one-off jobs that a big shop can not afford to do. There is a great deal of satisfaction and a mile wide smile when you shake out the flask and see that shiny metal thing that did not exist before. It is one thing to be a machinist. It is a whole 'nother smoke to be a machinist who can make a pattern, ram it up and pour the metal, and then do the finish machining as well. You can be a complete package, and I am excited for you! Hot damn! Please remember... sand floor, infra-red protection for your eyes, and a decent fine-particulate mask, or very good ventilation. Did I mention the infra-red protection for the eyes? I know it might be a stretch, but if you find yourself in northern Minnesota, I'm in the Two Harbors phone book. Please feel free to give me a call if you like. The hospitality is always on. tom k.
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LaJolla - 22 Nov 2008 21:57 GMT > After over nine years with the same employer , I have been laid off - >permanently , it appears . Commercial millwork has always been a cutthroat [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > > Shirley , ya better set 'em up before they cut this card off ... Don't get in here much these days due to the sh.t access I have through my various avenues, so I'm late in raising my glass to you Terry. I hope something comes your way soon. -- Curly LaJolla AH#117 BS#107 04 FLHTPI Dirty Pig The party never ends.
Terry Coombs - 22 Nov 2008 22:26 GMT >> After over nine years with the same employer , I have been laid >> off - permanently , it appears . Commercial millwork has always been [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > through my various avenues, so I'm late in raising my glass to you > Terry. I hope something comes your way soon. It may already have ... got some things in the works , but none of them involve me working for someone else . I've been in business before , looks like I will be again .
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