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Motorcycle Forum / General / Motorcycles / June 2007difficult to start in Cold weather!
Suzuki GZ250 Marauder: very difficult to start in Cold weather -- anything around under 8 degrees C, what exactly do carb Heaters do? and would they go any way toward solving this problem? also is there such a thing as an Air Intake heater? and could this be a factor to consider - if the air was warm on the intake during starting~ wonder if this could solve it - I'll test this out - ha~ but if it does.. how the heck could I set up some kinda air heater at the intake!? and with a switch on handle-bar. Otherwise it's running good! Just cold cold starting is difficult, often taking 5 or 6 attempts! each attempt consisting of several engine turnovers, with a decent pause between. Sometimes feel the engine "starting to turn over" but not really firing up - and soon as you release the starter it stops. Eventually starting - but!!!@#$!!!! annoyingly difficult. Well, so am I, so why are you complaining? Charles > Suzuki GZ250 Marauder: > very difficult to start in Cold weather -- anything around under 8 > degrees C, > what exactly do carb Heaters do? and would they go any way toward > solving this problem? They stop carb icing, which isn't really a problem at 8C. Though in damp weather it can affect bikes in temperatures slightly above freezing. > also is there such a thing as an Air Intake heater? and could this > be a factor to consider - if the air was warm on the intake during > starting~ wonder if this could solve it - I'll test this out - ha~ but > if it does.. how the heck could I set up some kinda air heater at the > intake!? and with a switch on handle-bar. Don't bother. The answer's still no. > Otherwise it's running good! Just cold cold starting is difficult, > often taking 5 or 6 attempts! each attempt consisting of several > engine turnovers, with a decent pause between. > Sometimes feel the engine "starting to turn over" but not really > firing up - and soon as you release the starter it stops. Eventually > starting - but!!!@#$!!!! annoyingly difficult. Try a new plug and a service. >Suzuki GZ250 Marauder: >very difficult to start in Cold weather -- anything around under 8 >degrees C, 46.4 degrees F is not cold weather. .Your problem really isn't carburetor icing, it's your starting procedure. Your engine does not have a choke like a car has. There is NO separate flat plate that closes to increase vacuum so the engine has to suck gasoline out of the float bowl like on a car. Your engine has a bypass starting enrichener. http://www.bikebandit.com/partsbandit/showschematic.asp?dept_id=707201 31: PLUNGER When you move the choke lever to ON, the plunger is pulled open and air bypasses around the CLOSED throttle butterfly. The engine sucks gasoline directly out of the float bowl like a kid sucking milk through a straw. If you turn the throttle grip while trying to start the engine you DEFEAT the operation of the starting enrichener, so don't turn the throttle. When properly adjusted, your engine should start and idle on the choke ONLY while you put your helmet and gloves on. 26: ADJUSTER (1 1/2) is the idle mixture screw. It was preset at the factory and concealed by an EPA anti-tamper plug to keep home mechanics from tinkering with the adjustment. Over the years, 27: JET,PILOT,17.5 and the idle passages and ports inside the carburetor get plugged up with gum and varnish and the engine tends to stall. So the owner will turn the 40: ADJUST SCREW clockwise to make the engine idle at the correct speed. The problem is, that opens the throttle butterfly slightly and defeats the operation of the starting enrichener. I recommend that you put 3 or 4 ounces of Berryman B12 Choke and Carburetor Cleaner into a full tank of gasoline and go for a ride to clean the carburetor out. If you can't get B12, STP or GumOut or any other clear carburetor cleaner that contains acetone, toluene, methyl alcohol, benzene, xylene, etc will work. When the carb cleaner begins to work, the idle RPM will increase, so you can turn the adjust screw down. > Suzuki GZ250 Marauder: > very difficult to start in Cold weather -- anything around under 8 [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > firing up - and soon as you release the starter it stops. Eventually > starting - but!!!@#$!!!! annoyingly difficult. Hold the clutch in Be sure you have 5W-30 oil in the engine Make sure the battery is fully charged and full amperage capacity. Engage the choke if it has one Hold the throttle open about 5% over fully closed. 8C is not cold Minus 20C is getting cold. ;) >Hold the clutch in Correct. >Be sure you have 5W-30 oil in the engine Bullshit. Oil weight depends on the climate. >Make sure the battery is fully charged and full amperage capacity. Correct. >Engage the choke if it has one Bullshit. Modern Japanese motorcycles don't have a choke. >Hold the throttle open about 5% over fully closed. Bullshit. You're too ignorant to be giving advice. Opening the throttle reduces vacuum downstream of the butterfly. Modern CV carbs need all the vacuum possible to suck gasoline out of the float bowl through a starter jet that has about four times the area of the idle jet. All you accomplish by opening the throttle is to defeat the starting enrichener. > >Engage the choke if it has one > > Bullshit. Modern Japanese motorcycles don't have a choke. Oh yes, they do. Some of them. FI isn't universal yet, not by a long way. And no, I'm not thinking of "starting enricheners" or whatever you want to call them.  SignatureBMW K1100LT 750SS CB400F CD250 SL125 GAGARPHOF#30 GHPOTHUF#1 BOTAFOT#60 ANORAK#06 YTC#3 BOF#30 WUSS#5 The bells, the bells..... >>> Engage the choke if it has one >> Bullshit. Modern Japanese motorcycles don't have a choke. [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > And no, I'm not thinking of "starting enricheners" or whatever you want > to call them. That "whatever you want to call them" has been used on many models of motorcycle since the 1970's. >> >Engage the choke if it has one >> [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] >And no, I'm not thinking of "starting enricheners" or whatever you want >to call them. This is mostly a question of semantics. Most modern motorcycle carbs (at least for the last 20 yrs. or so) have used an enrichening circuit in the carb, rather than the old traditional "choke" that closes the throttle plates. Technically, it could be said that these bikes no longer have a choke, but most of the bikes I've owned over the years still had the enrichening lever labelled "choke" and referred to the enrichening system as "choke" in the operators manual. John >>Be sure you have 5W-30 oil in the engine >Bullshit. Oil weight depends on the climate. Duh. The subject is "Cold weather" and posted in late June. >>Engage the choke if it has one >Bullshit. Modern Japanese motorcycles don't have a choke. Bullshit. http://www.motorcycledaily.com/23september06_klr650.htm >Bullshit. You're too ignorant to be giving advice. PKB SignatureTurby the Turbosurfer >>Bullshit. Modern Japanese motorcycles don't have a choke. > [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > >PKB Bullshit. A KLR650 has *never* had a choke. http://www.bikebandit.com/partsbandit/showschematic.asp?dept_id=2388857 16016: PLUNGER http://www.bikebandit.com/partsbandit/showschematic.asp?dept_id=2388855 54017: CABLE-STARTER http://www.bikebandit.com/partsbandit/showschematic.asp?dept_id=2388883 46092A: LEVER-GRIP >>>Bullshit. Modern Japanese motorcycles don't have a choke. >> [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > >http://www.bikebandit.com/ Boy, are you a work of art. You pull out a fiche from bikebandit and call that evidence? Wow. Try looking at Kawasaki's Owner Manual, page 12. Item 10 says it's the choke. Page 35, Starting the Engine, says, "If the engine is cold, push the choke lever all the way to the left," and it shows a picture with an arrow pointing to it. The Kawasaki Motorcyle Service Manual, section 12-3 tells you how to adjust the choke, with illustrations. The Kawasaki Motorcycle Service Manual Supplement, section 1-10, shows the routing of the choke cable. You should let Kawasaki know they're so wrong. SignatureTurby the Turbosurfer >>>>Bullshit. Modern Japanese motorcycles don't have a choke. >>> [quoted text clipped - 21 lines] > > You should let Kawasaki know they're so wrong. This is one of Krusty Kritter's favorite hobby-horses. You're not going to dissuade him from riding it by pointing out that Kawasaki uses the word "choke", as many of us do, to refer to the "enrichener" device. Signature'01 SV650SK1 '99 EX250-F13 '98 ZG1000-A13 OMF #7 >This is one of Krusty Kritter's favorite hobby-horses. You're not going >to dissuade him from riding it by pointing out that Kawasaki uses the >word "choke", as many of us do, to refer to the "enrichener" device. Turby's self-serving perpetuation of misnomers diminishes his stature in the community, as does your "hobby horse" analogy of my attempts to set newbies straight on their cold start procedure. > Turby's self-serving perpetuation of misnomers diminishes his stature in the > community, as does your "hobby horse" analogy of my attempts to set newbies > straight on their cold start procedure. You have done nothing on that score whatsoever, other than the usual advice to chuck a bucket of miracle juice into the tank. SignatureBMW K1100LT 750SS CB400F CD250 SL125 GAGARPHOF#30 GHPOTHUF#1 BOTAFOT#60 ANORAK#06 YTC#3 BOF#30 WUSS#5 The bells, the bells..... >>This is one of Krusty Kritter's favorite hobby-horses. You're not going >>to dissuade him from riding it by pointing out that Kawasaki uses the >>word "choke", as many of us do, to refer to the "enrichener" device. > >Turby's self-serving perpetuation of misnomers diminishes his stature in the >community, Coming from such a despicable racist as yourself, I consider that a compliment. SignatureTurby the Turbosurfer >>This is one of Krusty Kritter's favorite hobby-horses. You're not going >>to dissuade him from riding it by pointing out that Kawasaki uses the [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > community, as does your "hobby horse" analogy of my attempts to set newbies > straight on their cold start procedure. I've met Turby, nothing he could write here would diminish his "stature in the community". He's a nice guy, smart, well spoken, and has his head screwed on straight. Too bad I can't say the same about you. Your ID morphing, off-topic rambling, and long-winded rants do very little in the way of building up your stature in the "community". It's too bad-- you obviously have good solid information to contribute. Why not stick to what you know, ignore the minor quibbles about terminology, and do something positive for rec.motorcycles and rec.motorcycles.tech instead of continuing to blather on about Armenians and other ethnic types that you don't like? Signature'01 SV650SK1 '99 EX250-F13 '98 ZG1000-A13 OMF #7 >I've met Turby, nothing he could write here would diminish his "stature >in the community". I've never seen anything that he has posted that is worth reading. >Why not stick to what you know, ignore the minor quibbles about terminology, >and do something positive for rec.motorcycles and rec.motorcycles.tech I perform a public service to newbies by explaining how to fix carburetor and electical problems. Unfortunately, the trolls have nothing to do but snipe at good information and confuse the newbies with a lot of trolling retorts. >instead of continuing to blather on about Armenians and other ethnic types >that you don't like? Warning people about Armenians is a public service. Los Angeles has just been identified as having the worst traffic in the USA, and the traffic around Little Armenia is the worst in L.A. > Warning people about Armenians is a public service. First, they came for the Armenians.... SignatureBMW K1100LT 750SS CB400F CD250 SL125 GAGARPHOF#30 GHPOTHUF#1 BOTAFOT#60 ANORAK#06 YTC#3 BOF#30 WUSS#5 The bells, the bells..... > I've never seen anything that he has posted that is worth reading. Well, I've ridden with Turby and broken bread with him. He is one hell of a rider and I'll take his word over yours anyday. >I've met Turby, nothing he could write here would diminish his "stature >in the community". He's a nice guy, smart, well spoken, and has his >head screwed on straight. The checks in the mail. I've deducted $50 because you forgot to say I'm so good-looking. SignatureTurby the Turbosurfer >> I've met Turby, nothing he could write here would diminish his "stature >> in the community". He's a nice guy, smart, well spoken, and has his >> head screwed on straight. > > The checks in the mail. I've deducted $50 because you forgot to say > I'm so good-looking. I can bend the truth but I cannot extrude it through the ninth dimension. Signature'01 SV650S '99 EX250-F13 '98 ZG1000-A13 OMF #7 >Try looking at Kawasaki's Owner Manual, page 12. Item 10 says it's the >choke. Page 35, Starting the Engine, says, "If the engine is cold, [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] >The Kawasaki Motorcycle Service Manual Supplement, section 1-10, shows >the routing of the choke cable. Balderdash. If all your friends jumped off a cliff, would you follow? http://education.yahoo.com/reference/dictionary/entry/choke;_ylt=Aji90Yl9Qcu0GKr Y5lLvJSysgMMF Choke: to reduce the air intake of (a carburetor), thereby enriching the fuel mixture. My KLR does NOT have a choke. Hi.. er.. is it safe to step back in for a sec or two~ jeeez ~~~ I didn't mean to start a debate! :) but to clear a couple of things up riding temperature -like in the here and now , I go out in all weather and all temperatures, yesterday and the day before it was down around zero celcius ( I specify Celcius in case anyone's visiting here from a farhenheit country) The cars in the caspark were covered in heavy Frost, is was a chiller of a morning!! yep the GZ250 has a Choke~ or what did others refer to it as? -- starter-enricher? !? anyway it's got one I Can confirm that. the basic problem is on these freeezer mornings/nights it takes several attempts to start, unless I can somehow keep the bike in a warm environment - which isnt always possible. the temp Did go up this morning (29th) , but regardless of,- I think about 6c, I did gave it some extra warm air blast toward the air intake on ignition start - it'll take another test or two on other mornings that are colder - but it DID start up good on only a couple of revolutions - which it has not done recently. whether that was coincidence or what ~ I dunno. maybe it's a dumb thought to think this would make any difference - I'll test again next time there's ice on the grass. But Thanks for the advice so far injected here - I'll read again and see what can be done to improve things, and for a Suzi GZ250, almost 7 yrs old, it goes great! it runs like a small rocket otherwise! If it'd start without the slightest hesitation in the Cold, it'd be perfect! (as perfect as a 250 can be anyway :) ) >Hi.. >er.. is it safe to step back in for a sec or two~ >jeeez ~~~ I didn't mean to start a debate! :) This is Reeky. It is infested with trolls. Some are obvious trolls, but some think they are winning some kind of game by being intentionally obtuse. >yep the GZ250 has a Choke~ or what did others refer to it as? -- >starter-enricher? !? >anyway it's got one I Can confirm that. Your Suzuki does NOT have a choke. This is not me being pedantic or picking nits, it does not have a choke. It has a small valve called a "plunger" in the side of the carburetor. When you start the engine, you move the "choke" lever or pull the "choke" knob, but what you are doing is OPENING a bypass passage that goes around the throttle butterfly. Then the engine can suck gasoline out of the float bowl. If you open the throttle, you don't get enough vacuum to suck gasoline out of the float bowl. The starting enrichener has its own jet which is about twice as big as the idle jet. If you open the throttle, the engine gets less gasoline through the idle jet than it would get through the starter jet and it doesn't start on a cold morning. One thing you can do to help the starting enrichener when it's really cold is find the idle speed knob and turn it all the way counterclockwise until the throttle butterfly is completely closed. That way you will get the maximum amount of vacuum to suck gasoline out of the float bowl, as long as you don't touch the throttle until the engine fires several times. Then you can nurse the throttle until the engine is warm and reset the idle speed. > This is Reeky. It is infested with trolls. Some are obvious trolls, but some > think they are winning some kind of game by being intentionally obtuse. This is REALLY funny coming from YOU! > Your Suzuki does NOT have a choke. This is not me being pedantic or picking > nits, it does not have a choke. That's exactly what you are doing. It has a lever, which the user's manual repeatedly refers to as a choke, that from a simple user's perspective functions as a choke. Who gives a flying f.ck what it really is? You are not lecturing a bunch of engineering students here. sh.t man, you have and give out some really good information. Now if you could only find some way to figure out how to hold back the "chaff" and just shovel out the "grain", we all would be better off. K.I.S.S ;-) >sh.t man, you have and give out some really good information. Now if you >could only find some way to figure out how to hold back the "chaff" and just >shovel out the "grain", we all would be better off. >K.I.S.S ;-) What passes for "knowledge" in here is pitiful. Unfortunately, the trolls think that they can somehow change the reality of the OP's problem by debate. All the trolls manage to do is obscure the facts with their bullshit. >>sh.t man, you have and give out some really good information. Now if you >>could only find some way to figure out how to hold back the "chaff" and [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > facts > with their bullshit. first you dont know what a troll is second your backing up the fact that mr common sense died: I received this accurate though disappointing note this weekend, acommentary on our current society.ObituaryToday we mourn the passing of a beloved old friend, Mr. CommonSense. Mr. Sense had been with us for many years. No one knows for sure How old he was since his birth records were long ago lost in bureaucratic Red tape. He will be remembered as having cultivated such value lessons asknowing when to come in out of the rain, why the early bird gets the worm and that life isn't always fair. Common Sense lived by simple, soundfinancial policies (don't spend more than you earn) and reliable parenting strategies (adults, not kids, are in charge). His health began to rapidly deteriorate when well intentioned but overbearing regulations were set in place. - Reports of a six-year-old boy charged with sexual harassment for kissing a classmate; teens suspended from school for using mouthwash after lunch; and a teacher fired for reprimanding an unruly student, only worsened his condition.Mr. Sense declined even further when schools were required to get parental consent to administer aspirin to a student; but, could not inform the parents when a student became pregnant and wanted to have an abortion.Finally, Common Sense lost the will to live as the churches becamebusinesses; and criminals received better treatment than their victims.Common Sense finally gave up the ghost after a woman failed to realize that a steaming cup of coffee was hot, she spilled a bit in her lap, and was awarded a huge settlement.Mr. Common Sense was preceded in death by his parents, Truth and Trust, his wife, Discretion; his daughter, Responsibility; and his son, Reason.He is survived by two stepbrothers; My Rights and Ima Whiner.Not many attended his funeral because so few realized he was gone. If you still remember him, pass this on; if not, join the majority and do nothing. > What passes for "knowledge" in here is pitiful. Erm, you mean like: "Japanese motorcycles haven't had chokes since the mid-1970's."? SignatureBMW K1100LT 750SS CB400F CD250 SL125 GAGARPHOF#30 GHPOTHUF#1 BOTAFOT#60 ANORAK#06 YTC#3 BOF#30 WUSS#5 The bells, the bells..... > It has a small valve called a "plunger" in the side of the carburetor. > When > you start the engine, you move the "choke" lever or pull the "choke" knob, > but what you are doing is OPENING a bypass passage that goes around the > throttle butterfly. THEREFORE YOU CHOKE THE ENGINE MIXTURE BY YOUR OWN YAHOO DEFINITION >THEREFORE YOU CHOKE THE ENGINE MIXTURE BY YOUR OWN YAHOO DEFINITION Not too swift, are you? > >THEREFORE YOU CHOKE THE ENGINE MIXTURE BY YOUR OWN YAHOO DEFINITION > > Not too swift, are you? Must have left the choke on ;-) SignatureBMW K1100LT 750SS CB400F CD250 SL125 GAGARPHOF#30 GHPOTHUF#1 BOTAFOT#60 ANORAK#06 YTC#3 BOF#30 WUSS#5 The bells, the bells..... > >>Try looking at Kawasaki's Owner Manual, page 12. Item 10 says it's the [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > >My KLR does NOT have a choke. Like I said: tell Kawasaki. They don't seem to agree with you. SignatureTurby the Turbosurfer >>My KLR does NOT have a choke. > >Like I said: tell Kawasaki. They don't seem to agree with you. Shout it down the toilet. Wear a sign around your neck saying, "My KLR does so have a choke, deet-dee-dee!" It doesn't change the facts. Japanese motorcycles haven't had chokes since the mid-1970's. > Japanese motorcycles haven't had chokes since > the mid-1970's. Oh so wrong. You have not enough knowledge or experience of bikes to say that. I can think of several. SignatureBMW K1100LT 750SS CB400F CD250 SL125 GAGARPHOF#30 GHPOTHUF#1 BOTAFOT#60 ANORAK#06 YTC#3 BOF#30 WUSS#5 The bells, the bells..... >>Japanese motorcycles haven't had chokes since >>the mid-1970's. [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > You have not enough knowledge or experience of bikes to say that. I can > think of several. Argumentative sod. Admit it-- you're an Armenian. Signature'01 SV650SK1 '99 EX250-F13 '98 ZG1000-A13 OMF #7 > >>Japanese motorcycles haven't had chokes since > >>the mid-1970's. [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > > Argumentative sod. Admit it-- you're an Armenian. How dare you insult our country? I hurl cabbages at you! 'Tis true, though - he doesn't half spout some bollocks..... SignatureBMW K1100LT 750SS CB400F CD250 SL125 GAGARPHOF#30 GHPOTHUF#1 BOTAFOT#60 ANORAK#06 YTC#3 BOF#30 WUSS#5 The bells, the bells..... >> Japanese motorcycles haven't had chokes since >> the mid-1970's. [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] >You have not enough knowledge or experience of bikes to say that. I can >think of several. Add my '82 CB900F to the list. Genuine factory-original choke plates, no doubt about it. -Scott Signature'73 CB450K '82 CB900F (x2) '96 VS800GLX (SWMBO) '01 ZG1000 - For Sale! >Add my '82 CB900F to the list. Genuine factory-original choke plates, no >doubt about it. What does it matter whether your old Honda has a choke plate or not? Your Honda is irrelevant to the thread. The OP's Suzuki does not have a choke plate and all the garbage that is being heaped onto the thread by trolls and people who bend over backwards to find exceptions to every statement will not help him get his Suzuki started in cold weather, My explanation, however, will help him. > What does it matter whether your old Honda has a choke plate or not? > > Your Honda is irrelevant to the thread. Er, perhaps he mentioned it because, in your blissful ignorance, you said: "Japanese motorcycles haven't had chokes since the mid-1970's." And you are completely wrong. Your ability to be wrong on *many* things rather casts doubt on your reliability as a source of decen tech info. SignatureBMW K1100LT 750SS CB400F CD250 SL125 GAGARPHOF#30 GHPOTHUF#1 BOTAFOT#60 ANORAK#06 YTC#3 BOF#30 WUSS#5 The bells, the bells..... >> What does it matter whether your old Honda has a choke plate or not? >> [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > And you are completely wrong. Your ability to be wrong on *many* things > rather casts doubt on your reliability as a source of decen tech info. Not to mention that, that plate in the carb of my DR370 (1979 vintage) isn't a slide...it's a choke plate. 8^) Generalities generally don't work...I should know I use them way to damn much generally. SignatureKeith Schiffner Assistant Undersecretary of the Ministry of Silly Walks. "terrorist organization" is a redundancy >Not to mention that, that plate in the carb of my DR370 (1979 vintage) isn't a >slide...it's a choke plate. 8^) Generalities generally don't work...I should >know I use them way to damn much generally. Objection. Irrelevant. > Objection. Irrelevant. Yes, you are. SignatureBMW K1100LT 750SS CB400F CD250 SL125 GAGARPHOF#30 GHPOTHUF#1 BOTAFOT#60 ANORAK#06 YTC#3 BOF#30 WUSS#5 The bells, the bells..... >> Objection. Irrelevant. > > Yes, you are. So am I what is your point. ;^) The Mikuni's for my T-500 are actual chokes iirc. SignatureKeith Schiffner Assistant Undersecretary of the Ministry of Silly Walks. "terrorist organization" is a redundancy >>> Objection. Irrelevant. >> >> Yes, you are. > >So am I what is your point. ;^) The Mikuni's for my T-500 are actual chokes >iirc. Here's a very subtle point. Pay close attention and concentrate on the clues. Ready? Here comes the first clue: This thread is NOT about your T500. > >>> Objection. Irrelevant. > >> [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > > Ready? Here comes the first clue: This thread is NOT about your T500. And here comes the second: *You* were the one who said that no Jap bike since the mid-1970s had old-fashioned chokes. SignatureBMW K1100LT 750SS CB400F CD250 SL125 GAGARPHOF#30 GHPOTHUF#1 BOTAFOT#60 ANORAK#06 YTC#3 BOF#30 WUSS#5 The bells, the bells..... >What does it matter whether your old Honda has a choke plate or not? Because you claimed (and I quote): >>>> Japanese motorcycles haven't had chokes since >>>> the mid-1970's. Your generalization is wrong, and my bike proves it. As do many others, to judge by other responses in the thread. That much alone makes it relevant, but my real goal here is to hope that if you are discredited often enough for your outright ignorance, you will eventually abandon your stubborn hubris and stick to discussing what you know, because when you do that you are a genuine asset to these groups. -Scott Signature'73 CB450K '82 CB900F (x2) '96 VS800GLX (SWMBO) '01 ZG1000 - For Sale! >Your generalization is wrong, and my bike proves it. As do many others, to >judge by other responses in the thread. That much alone makes it relevant, >but my real goal here is to hope that if you are discredited often enough >for your outright ignorance, you will eventually abandon your stubborn >hubris and stick to discussing what you know, because when you do that you >are a genuine asset to these groups. You need to sit down and shut up and let the adult talk. > >Your generalization is wrong, and my bike proves it. As do many others, to > >judge by other responses in the thread. That much alone makes it relevant, [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > You need to sit down and shut up and let the adult talk. *Waves* What do you want to know? SignatureBMW K1100LT 750SS CB400F CD250 SL125 GAGARPHOF#30 GHPOTHUF#1 BOTAFOT#60 ANORAK#06 YTC#3 BOF#30 WUSS#5 The bells, the bells..... >You need to sit down and shut up and let the adult talk. I can afford to wait. It's only a matter of time before you need to go have a cry and change your posting handle again. -Scott Signature'73 CB450K '82 CB900F (x2) '96 VS800GLX (SWMBO) '01 ZG1000 - For Sale! >I can afford to wait. It's only a matter of time before you need to go have >a cry and change your posting handle again. Don't piss into the wind, unless you need a shower. > Your generalization is wrong, and my bike proves it. As do many others, to > judge by other responses in the thread. That much alone makes it relevant, > but my real goal here is to hope that if you are discredited often enough > for your outright ignorance, you will eventually abandon your stubborn > hubris and stick to discussing what you know, because when you do that you > are a genuine asset to these groups. Well put. SignatureBMW K1100LT 750SS CB400F CD250 SL125 GAGARPHOF#30 GHPOTHUF#1 BOTAFOT#60 ANORAK#06 YTC#3 BOF#30 WUSS#5 The bells, the bells..... If brains were cotton, you couldn't tampon a termite. > If brains were cotton, you couldn't tampon a termite. f.cking *excellent*. I might use that expression, assuming you haven't got it copyrighted. SignatureBMW K1100LT 750SS CB400F CD250 SL125 GAGARPHOF#30 GHPOTHUF#1 BOTAFOT#60 ANORAK#06 YTC#3 BOF#30 WUSS#5 The bells, the bells..... >If brains were cotton, you couldn't tampon a termite. You"re as useful as a kick stand on a horse. >> If brains were cotton, you couldn't tampon a termite. > > You"re as useful as a kick stand on a horse. It took you 20 hours to think up THAT? Weak. >> You"re as useful as a kick stand on a horse. > >It took you 20 hours to think up THAT? Weak. That's how long it took your turd to surface on this server. >>> My KLR does NOT have a choke. >> [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > It doesn't change the facts. Japanese motorcycles haven't had chokes > since the mid-1970's. I guess as the prospective first First Gentleman of the United States might say, "it depends on what you mean by 'choke'" :) Signature-- --John to email, dial "usenet" and validate (was jclarke at eye bee em dot net) > >>> My KLR does NOT have a choke. > >> [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > I guess as the prospective first First Gentleman of the United States > might say, "it depends on what you mean by 'choke'" :) He's still wrong. There's a 1984 model outside my back door, with an old-fashioned choke. So he's out by at least 10 years. SignatureBMW K1100LT 750SS CB400F CD250 SL125 GAGARPHOF#30 GHPOTHUF#1 BOTAFOT#60 ANORAK#06 YTC#3 BOF#30 WUSS#5 The bells, the bells..... >I guess as the prospective first First Gentleman of the United States >might say, "it depends on what you mean by 'choke'" :) Bullshit. http://education.yahoo.com/reference/dictionary/entry/choke;_ylt=Aji90Yl9Qcu0GKr Y5lLvJSysgMMF Choke: to reduce the air intake of (a carburetor), thereby enriching the fuel mixture. >> I guess as the prospective first First Gentleman of the United States >> might say, "it depends on what you mean by 'choke'" :) [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > Choke: to reduce the air intake of (a carburetor), thereby enriching > the fuel mixture. Geez, Albrecht, LIGHTEN UP. That was ah say that was ah say that was a JOKE, son. Signature-- --John to email, dial "usenet" and validate (was jclarke at eye bee em dot net) >>> My KLR does NOT have a choke. >> Like I said: tell Kawasaki. They don't seem to agree with you. [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > It doesn't change the facts. Japanese motorcycles haven't had chokes since > the mid-1970's. That means that the 1982 Kawasaki I put 10,000 miles on a couple of years ago with the NON-CV carbs didn't really have a choke? You might also want to get your head out of your posterior long enough to look at a 90's Honda Shadow. My friend's is parked in my driveway right now complete with the handlebar-mounted choke. >That means that the 1982 Kawasaki I put 10,000 miles on a couple of >years ago with the NON-CV carbs didn't really have a choke? Objection. Irrelevant. Argumentative. Move to strike. >You might also want to get your head out of your posterior long enough >to look at a 90's Honda Shadow. My friend's is parked in my driveway >right now complete with the handlebar-mounted choke. Objection. Irrelevant. Argumentative. Witness may step down. >> That means that the 1982 Kawasaki I put 10,000 miles on a couple of >> years ago with the NON-CV carbs didn't really have a choke? [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > > Objection. Irrelevant. Argumentative. Witness may step down. Some people's elevators don't go to the top floor.... ... you didn't even get a stepstool. >>> That means that the 1982 Kawasaki I put 10,000 miles on a couple of years >>> ago with the NON-CV carbs didn't really have a choke? [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > > ... you didn't even get a stepstool. Poor guy, I've no elevator but that's because Yurts don't need the...a door that keeps the camel and the yaks out is a must. >> Objection. Irrelevant. Argumentative. Witness may step down. > >Some people's elevators don't go to the top floor.... > >... you didn't even get a stepstool. What we have heah, is failyah to comun'cate. We cain't get through to Pollock. He thinks the thread is about him. > Hold the clutch in Required on this model.....DUH! > Be sure you have 5W-30 oil in the engine Bad idea. The temp stated might be the lowest he rides at, in which case 5W30 is NOT recommended. Besides that, many 5WXX oils are "energy conserving" and may be harmful to wet clutches. > Hold the throttle open about 5% over fully closed. Wrong. Best to leave the throttle CLOSED, not only initially but until the "choke" is nearly "open". These bike are not known for cold starting problems (I have one). Sounds to me like improper technique, including maybe not letting the starter run long enough. Buy an AGM battery. Westco or Yuasa, doesn't matter. Having up to an extra 50% CCA that an AGM battery will supply combined with the battery surviving winters WITHOUT futzing with a trickle charger makes all the difference in the world. Oh, and 8C is not cold. That is t-shirt weather. |
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