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Motorcycle Forum / General / Motorcycles / November 2007Anybody watch Outlaw Bikers on Nat'l Geographic last night?
They featured that ATF agent who infiltrated The Mongols in Calif a few years ago. Some home footage; interviews with ex-Mongols, ATF agents. One guy, Red Dog, always believed the ATF agent really was police and dogged the ATF agent. Greg > They featured that ATF agent who infiltrated The Mongols in Calif a > few years ago. Some home footage; interviews with ex-Mongols, ATF > agents. One guy, Red Dog, always believed the ATF agent really was > police and dogged the ATF agent. I watched it and found it fascinating. I also watched the episode that aired before it about the agent who infiltrated the Hells Angels, which was just as interesting. The government wasted over 2.5 million dollars on the HA project -- code named 'Operation Black Biscuit' -- but ultimately, nobody went to trial and almost all the charges were dropped. The reason? The ATF refused to release all the undercover footage to defense attorneys because they apparently knew it would incriminate their agents. The whole investigation was resultantly thrown out. National Geographic's intent may have been to shed a bad light on the 1% clubs, but what they actually did was show how ridiculously out of control our government is. BTW, both episodes will be re-aired this Sunday afternoon. I have them set to record. Cheers, Tim Kreitz 2004 ZRX1200R 2003 ZX7R DoD #2184 http://www.timkreitz.com > National Geographic's intent may have been to shed a bad light on the > 1% clubs, but what they actually did was show how ridiculously out of > control our government is. Second that! A couple agents infiltrated a Richmond, VA 1% club by posing as rich drug dealers and bankrolling all the clubs activities for about two years. (Care to guess what that cost us taxpayers). In the end they busted a few non-members for marijuana and one member for sharing one prescription pain pill with a bro he thot was hurting but was really putting the sting on him. How low can you go? Then there was the Florida club member, a disabled Vet with a wife and two teen kids, who was executed when he fingered some infiltrators. AFAIK his murder has never been solved. But that didn't keep ATF from busting his funeral looking for weapons then trying to deize club property for selling liquer without a license. Seems that, if I make a beer run, and the dudes pay me before I leave, its legal but if they reimburse me when I get back its a federal offense! When I chided a FBI agent about the unsolved killing he said that federal agents had a right to kill to protect their sting. Anybody remember Waco and Ruby Ridge? Tip of the iceburg! > In the end they busted a > few non-members for marijuana and one member for sharing one prescription > pain pill with a bro he thot was hurting LOL. Yep. To paraphrase Sonny Barger, that's probably less drugs than the cops shared amongst themselves that day. Cheers, Tim Kreitz 2004 ZRX1200R 2003 ZX7R DoD #2184 http://www.timkreitz.com >> They featured that ATF agent who infiltrated The Mongols in Calif a >> few years ago. Some home footage; interviews with ex-Mongols, ATF [quoted text clipped - 25 lines] > DoD #2184 > http://www.timkreitz.com Yeah the ATF sure stopped the Mongols, didn't they? Just like the illegal drug trade the ATF has stopped in this country. Thank God we don't have an illegal drug problem anymore. I'm sure this operation has f.cked up William Queen's life. But I'm also pretty sure he's made a piss pot full of money off of his story. Thumper > Yeah the ATF sure stopped the Mongols, didn't they? Just like the illegal > drug trade the ATF has stopped in this country. Thank God we don't have an > illegal drug problem anymore. No sh.t. That drug war has really been worth the money and trouble, hasn't it. LOL. > I'm sure this operation has f.cked up William Queen's life. But I'm also > pretty sure he's made a piss pot full of money off of his story. Yep. He's rolling in it. The movie is in pre-production as we speak, and will star Mel Gibson, no less: http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0383026/ Cheers, Tim Kreitz 2004 ZRX1200R 2003 ZX7R DoD #2184 http://www.timkreitz.com >They featured that ATF agent who infiltrated The Mongols in Calif a >few years ago. Billy Queen was his real name. Some of the story took place in the San Fernando Valley in 1977. I was riding all over the SFV every day and with all that footage, you'd think that I would have seen at least one of the *six* Mongols in the SFV chapter. Maybe they were afraid to show their colors when they rode solo and attended bike nights and cruise-ins that were mainly working class riders on Japanese machines? I found the notion that an outlaw club "controlled* the area identified by the the lower rocker on the three piece patch to be a little silly. I think that the narrator should have said that the outlaws were "territorial" instead of controlling. We still see that territoriality amongst Mexican and Black gangs who will demand to know, "Where you from, dude?" Or, they will shout out the name of their gang when they do a drive-by shooting. It takes a real genius to do that, they might as well shout out their real name and address, because the Los Angeles Police Department has officers keeping track of each street gang and who's in it and what they ride. In fact, the LAPD was keeping track of who went to the Sunday morning gathering of riders at Griffith Observatory until they found out we were all regular upstanding citizens who just liked to ride together one day a week. On Nov 27, 11:50 am, "Albrecht via MotorcycleKB.com" <u33665@uwe> wrote: > >They featured that ATF agent who infiltrated The Mongols in Calif a > >few years ago. [quoted text clipped - 28 lines] > -- > Message posted via MotorcycleKB.comhttp://www.motorcyclekb.com/Uwe/Forums.aspx/bike/200711/1 Billy Queen wrote a book about his experiences with the Mongols, but I can't remember the name. I'm sure you can find it at the library. > Billy Queen wrote a book about his experiences with the Mongols, but I > can't remember the name. I'm sure you can find it at the library. Under and Alone. >Billy Queen wrote a book about his experiences with the Mongols, but I >can't remember the name. I'm sure you can find it at the library. http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=Billy+Queen+mongols  SignatureClick here every day to feed an animal that needs you today !!! http://www.theanimalrescuesite.com/ Paul ( pjm @ pobox . com ) - remove spaces to email me 'Some days, it's just not worth chewing through the restraints.' 'With sufficient thrust, pigs fly just fine.' HVAC/R program for Palm PDA's Free demo now available online http://pmilligan.net/palm/ >> Billy Queen wrote a book about his experiences with the Mongols, >> but >> I can't remember the name. I'm sure you can find it at the library. > > http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=Billy+Queen+mongols If one is looking for a book, http://www.amazon.com/s/ref=nb_ss_gw/104-4875528-3857560?url=search-alias%3Daps& field-keywords=billy+queen is usually a more effective strategy than googling. Signature-- --John to email, dial "usenet" and validate (was jclarke at eye bee em dot net) >Billy Queen wrote a book about his experiences with the Mongols, but I >can't remember the name. I'm sure you can find it at the library. "Under and Alone" is the name of the book. But I rubbed elbows with so many outlaws and tweakers and criminals during that era I am not fascinated with gangs and grown men who behave like little boys. > I am not fascinated with gangs and > grown men who > behave like little boys. Like ones who make up stories about their ancestors??? SignatureBMW K1100LT 750SS CB400F CD250 CB125 SL125 GAGARPHOF#30 GHPOTHUF#1 BOTAFOT#60 ANORAK#06 YTC#3 BOF#30 WUSS#5 The bells, the bells..... chateau dot murray at idnet dot com > Billy Queen wrote a book about his experiences with the Mongols, but I > can't remember the name. I'm sure you can find it at the library. Under And Alone by William Queen Chain of Evidence by Michael Detroit is another comparable book Here in Boise, ID we have Brother Speed M/C, but I rarely see 'em around. They don't even have a website. A low profile is usually the best way to avoid heavy LEO scrutity. -=Grumbler > > Billy Queen wrote a book about his experiences with the Mongols, but I > > can't remember the name. I'm sure you can find it at the library. [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > around. They don't even have a website. A low profile is usually the > best way to avoid heavy LEO scrutity. Yeah, I have the Illusions MC in my town. They shut down their website some time ago. I see them now and again on benefit rides I do with the my riding club. In fact, we rode in benefit ride for one of their members who got into a wreck. I never see them just riding around town, though. Greg > -=Grumbler >Here in Boise, ID we have Brother Speed M/C, but I rarely see 'em >around. They don't even have a website. A low profile is usually the >best way to avoid heavy LEO scrutity. Yes, I lived about a block from the Brother Speed clubhouse when I was in Boise. I think they were in Spokane, WA, as well. > Yes, I lived about a block from the Brother Speed clubhouse when I was in > Boise. I think they were in Spokane, WA, as well. We've lived in Boise for a little over 5 years now. They're in Nampa and Pocatello plus Portland. Am not acquainted with any of them. I do recall that the cops took down the license plate numbers of all the motorcycles parked at their clubhouse in Nampa for a Spaghetti Feed after the Idaho Vintage Motorcycle Show & Swap in 2003 or so. BTW, a deceased friend of mine (natural causes) was stripped of his VNV colors and membership after putting his arm over the colors of a HAMC at a local bar in San Jose, CA. He had a heart of gold, but no common sense. -=Grumbler >>They featured that ATF agent who infiltrated The Mongols in Calif a >>few years ago. > >Billy Queen was his real name. And how are you related to him ? We want to know ..... SignatureClick here every day to feed an animal that needs you today !!! http://www.theanimalrescuesite.com/ Paul ( pjm @ pobox . com ) - remove spaces to email me 'Some days, it's just not worth chewing through the restraints.' 'With sufficient thrust, pigs fly just fine.' HVAC/R program for Palm PDA's Free demo now available online http://pmilligan.net/palm/ > Billy Queen was his real name. Relative of yours, no doubt. SignatureBMW K1100LT 750SS CB400F CD250 CB125 SL125 GAGARPHOF#30 GHPOTHUF#1 BOTAFOT#60 ANORAK#06 YTC#3 BOF#30 WUSS#5 The bells, the bells..... chateau dot murray at idnet dot com >>They featured that ATF agent who infiltrated The Mongols in Calif a >>few years ago. <snip> > In fact, the LAPD was keeping track of who went to the Sunday morning > gathering of riders at Griffith Observatory until they found out we were > all > regular upstanding citizens who just liked to ride together one day a > week. I used to ride up there almost every Sunday. Pick up a couple of other riders and take a ride from there. I was hanging out with Dick Symonds then. That was so much fun. We're you the guy on the old Triumph who would carry a coffee can, put it under his bike whilst parked, and then put the oil back into it's tank, before he rode away? I sure miss that weekly get together. There used to be hundreds of bikes up there. What ended it? Thumper >>>They featured that ATF agent who infiltrated The Mongols in Calif a >>>few years ago. [quoted text clipped - 17 lines] >I sure miss that weekly get together. There used to be hundreds of bikes up >there. What ended it? Well, when you moved in and the neighborhood started going downhill ..... >Thumper SignatureClick here every day to feed an animal that needs you today !!! http://www.theanimalrescuesite.com/ Paul ( pjm @ pobox . com ) - remove spaces to email me 'Some days, it's just not worth chewing through the restraints.' 'With sufficient thrust, pigs fly just fine.' HVAC/R program for Palm PDA's Free demo now available online http://pmilligan.net/palm/ >I sure miss that weekly get together. There used to be hundreds of bikes up >there. What ended it? The tightwad regulars didn't want to pay an admission fee to get into the park starting about 1983. Some people got old and quit riding, some people moved away. There were a lot of snotty queers and Jews and sycophants with their noses up each other's butts hanging around there anyway. They gossiped about each other like a bunch of women. A certain motojournalist who sometimes contributed to "Rider" magazine, asked me what happen to the Griffith Observatory Sunday morning ride. I told him that it had drowned in its own snot. He said, "I can't write that in an article." >>They featured that ATF agent who infiltrated The Mongols in Calif a >>few years ago. [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > Japanese > machines? One night, whilst drunk, I was outside of Tony's, another notorious one percenter hang out. I was looking at one of the choppers, when a guy said "If you like it, why don't you sit on it?" Needless to say, I left and went across the street to Al Reads, a much safer bar. In fact, in those days, Bob and Opal (both deceased) used to let me sleep in one of the booth in their restaurant. Unfortunately, after they closed, if I couldn't get home, I'd sleep in the bushes. Thumper > They featured that ATF agent who infiltrated The Mongols in Calif a > few years ago. Some home footage; interviews with ex-Mongols, ATF > agents. One guy, Red Dog, always believed the ATF agent really was > police and dogged the ATF agent. > > Greg Yeah, the Mongol Bar they mention, "The Place", was about 1 block from my house. The alley where they gave Bill his members patch intersects my street. Cat and I walk by there almost every day. The Place is now a Mexican bar, under another name. Someone gave me William Queen's book "Under and Alone". All of the locations mentioned in the book were within a few blocks of my house. I knew there were hard core biker gangs when I moved up here in 1976, but I thought they were mostly retired. How wrong I was. I always kept my bikes out of site, though. Even today. I think the gangs are long gone from here now. Thumper > I always kept my bikes out of site, though. Even today. I think the gangs > are long gone from here now. How's your web sight doing these days? Signature'01 SV650SK1 '99 EX250-F13 '98 ZG1000-A13 OMF #7 >> I always kept my bikes out of site, though. Even today. I think the gangs >> are long gone from here now. > > How's your web sight doing these days? This one? http://www.thumpers-brithouse.com of whois this one www.thumpers-roadhouse.ws Thumper Thumper >>> I always kept my bikes out of site, though. Even today. I think the >>> gangs are long gone from here now. [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > http://www.thumpers-brithouse.com WAIT! That's suppose to be gone! Thanks, Mark. (|;( T. > of whois this one > [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > Thumper >>>>I always kept my bikes out of site, though. Even today. I think the >>>>gangs are long gone from here now. >>> >>>How's your web sight doing these days? >>This one? >> [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > Thanks, Mark. (|;( Happy to help. Signature'01 SV650SK1 '99 EX250-F13 '98 ZG1000-A13 OMF #7 >> I always kept my bikes out of site, though. Even today. I think the gangs >> are long gone from here now. > > How's your web sight doing these days? Or, this one? http://www.dogsmilk.com T >> They featured that ATF agent who infiltrated The Mongols in Calif a >> few years ago. Some home footage; interviews with ex-Mongols, ATF [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] >I always kept my bikes out of site, though. Even today. I think the gangs >are long gone from here now. Well, when you moved in and the neighborhood started going downhill ..... >Thumper SignatureClick here every day to feed an animal that needs you today !!! http://www.theanimalrescuesite.com/ Paul ( pjm @ pobox . com ) - remove spaces to email me 'Some days, it's just not worth chewing through the restraints.' 'With sufficient thrust, pigs fly just fine.' HVAC/R program for Palm PDA's Free demo now available online http://pmilligan.net/palm/ |
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