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Motorcycle Forum / General / Motorcycles / December 2007Doctors say the strangest things...
For the last month or so I've been having some pretty severe lower back pain. I finally went to my doctor and she took some x-rays. She stuck them up on the viewer and after looking at both views, said "When did you have your back broken?" and I said "My back has never been broken." and she said "Yes, it has." It had to be that drunk driver that ran me off the road in '02. I thought I got off light with a broken pelvis and a permanent addition of metal braces and screws to my body. Now it turns out that was just round one. A pox on drunk drivers in general, and George Moore of Cleveland, TN in particular. -- Jack > For the last month or so I've been having some pretty severe lower back pain. I > finally went to my doctor and she took some x-rays. [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > -- > Jack > For the last month or so I've been having some pretty severe lower back pain. I > finally went to my doctor and she took some x-rays. [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > -- > Jack Tell me about it. I recently got to hear, "It shouldn't be life thretning if that artery pulgs up. A little part of your heart will die, but you will probably feel better afterwards." That really brightened up my whole day. Bruce >A little part of your heart will >die, but you will probably feel better afterwards." That's what my divorce lawyer said in '94 and he was right. That's right up there with my feelings last year. The doctor came in to my followup visit on some skin problems and cheerily announced: "The lab reports are in. Looks like you've got a little cancer going on there." There is no such thing as a "little cancer". That's like being "a little pregnant". I think the doctor summed it up nicely last week when she said "Good Lord, you're falling apart." Tomorrow I go for the revelation of the MRI on my back. Then Tuesday I find out the latest chapter in the "little cancer". Oh well, at least the first 50 years went pretty well. -- Jack > >A little part of your heart will > >die, but you will probably feel better afterwards." [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] > -- > Jack They say once you pass 40 it's patch, patch, patch ;) Bruce > On Dec 15, 12:54 am, Jack Hunt <jhun...@tds.net> wrote: >> For the last month or so I've been having some pretty severe lower back [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > die, but you will probably feel better afterwards." That really > brightened up my whole day. Ya, well I go to the MD for a big swelling on my neck and awful sore throat. He wants to put another $25,000 stent in my heart. But what about cancer? Oh well, if you have lymphoma you are dead anyway so we might as well treat something we can fix (heart). A different MD pulled me through ..... > For the last month or so I've been having some pretty severe lower back > pain. I [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > and she > said "Yes, it has." Huh! I once had the exact same exchange with an Army flight surgeon. Turns out I'd cracked a couple of vertebrae in a trampoline accident years before, and had never known it. So far -knock on wood- it hasn't given me any trouble. (The *rest* of me is falling apart, mind you, but the lower back is fine.) >For the last month or so I've been having some pretty severe lower back pain. I >finally went to my doctor and she took some x-rays. Same here with the lower back pain. I called for an appointment. They said, maybe in two weeks. I said, that's too long to wait. They said, come in to Urgent Care, wait a couple of hours and a doctor will see you. OK. So ,the UC doctor looked at me, said, Probably just a muscle sprain, no need for films, take these drugs and see if it gets better. Three weeks later, it's not. I call for another appointment with my doc. They say another 2 weeks for an appointment, or you can call at dawn to see if there's a cancellation. Harumpf. I made the early call and saw him last week. He said, yeah, you need an MRI. That takes up to a week to get authorization, then up to a week to schedule. Then another three weeks before I can get an appointment with an ortho doc. This is at the "Mayo Clinic of the West". It feels more like some Kafkaesque socialized medicine scenario. I'm not a couch potato and it's amazing how much lower back pain can disrupt your life. Bah Humbug. Let's get healthy, OK?  SignatureTurby the Turbosurfer >He said, yeah, you need an MRI. Got my MRI results back today. It says I'm a fat old man who is falling apart. I knew that before I went. Right now it's not hurting. I just loaded enough lumber on my trailer to put siding on the last cabin at the campground and I saw a sign on a restaurant about a half mile from the campground advertising prime rib for $14.99. Gotta hit some of that... -- Jack >>For the last month or so I've been having some pretty severe lower back pain. I >>finally went to my doctor and she took some x-rays. [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] >This is at the "Mayo Clinic of the West". It feels more like some >Kafkaesque socialized medicine scenario. Some bizarre parody of socialized medicine, maybe. I got sick once in the USSR. I told them at the desk in the lobby of the hotel, and the doctor got to my room at about five minutes after I did. On another occasion, I arrived in Bulgaria from Turkey, feeling unwell. I was in the hospital for infectious diseases within an hour, which proved to be a good thing, as I did, in fact, have whatever bizarre bug had been wreaking havoc in and around Istanbul. It also gave me the opportunity to become more fluent in Bulgarian and Romany... With actual socialized medicine, if the doctor thinks you need it, there's no point to getting any further authorization, or figuring out who's going to pay, or any of that nonsense, it was all decided long ago. >I'm not a couch potato and it's amazing how much lower back pain can >disrupt your life. Bah Humbug. > >Let's get healthy, OK? Good plan. Especially with our healthcare system. In my case, I'm lucky with the low back pain. It's a pinched nerve, and I can usually relieve it just by bending my spine just right, at least for a while... Al Moore DoD 734 > It's a pinched nerve, and I can usually >relieve it just by bending my spine just right, at least for a >while... I'm still looking for "just right". It's elusive. -- Jack >> It's a pinched nerve, and I can usually >>relieve it just by bending my spine just right, at least for a >>while... > >I'm still looking for "just right". It's elusive. Do you get muscle spasms around the ribcage with it ? SignatureClick here every day to feed an animal that needs you today !!! http://www.theanimalrescuesite.com/ Paul ( pjm @ pobox . com ) - remove spaces to email me 'Some days, it's just not worth chewing through the restraints.' 'With sufficient thrust, pigs fly just fine.' HVAC/R program for Palm PDA's Free demo now available online http://pmilligan.net/palm/ >Do you get muscle spasms around the ribcage with it ? I did at first. Now I have a palm-sized numb spot below my ribcage. Am I going to die, Doc? -- Jack >>Do you get muscle spasms around the ribcage with it ? > >I did at first. Now I have a palm-sized numb spot below my ribcage. > >Am I going to die, Doc? Yes. I'm fairly sure you will, some day. In the meantime, I found something called Skelaxin worked great for the spasms I had that originated from my compound fracture of L1 & L 2 many years ago. The 'spot pain' when I threw it out there I could deal with, but when the spasms hit, it would literally drop me where I stood, as in 'Right down to the floor, in public'. The Skelaxin made the problem tolerable. SignatureClick here every day to feed an animal that needs you today !!! http://www.theanimalrescuesite.com/ Paul ( pjm @ pobox . com ) - remove spaces to email me 'Some days, it's just not worth chewing through the restraints.' 'With sufficient thrust, pigs fly just fine.' HVAC/R program for Palm PDA's Free demo now available online http://pmilligan.net/palm/ >when the spasms hit, it would literally drop me >where I stood, as in 'Right down to the floor, in public'. The spasms I had were just twitches, no pain. My back pain feels like a charley horse that moves from back to front and back again with no predictability. Sometimes it disappears completely but never for long. The doctor mentioned an epidural today, said it was up to me. It'll have to hurt more than this before they start sticking needles in my spine. -- Jack >>when the spasms hit, it would literally drop me >>where I stood, as in 'Right down to the floor, in public'. [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > >The doctor mentioned an epidural today, said it was up to me. Damn, I didn't know you were pregnant ! I bet THAT one hurt some !!!!! >It'll have to hurt more than this before they start sticking needles in my >spine. Damn right. Gives me the heebies just thinking about it. I'm a little bit needle-averse to begin with ( I never look at where they're sticking me in the ER ), and I'm not real big on drugs in general ( as opposed to my younger years, when I was more concerned with 'how much / many could I get :-) ) SignatureClick here every day to feed an animal that needs you today !!! http://www.theanimalrescuesite.com/ Paul ( pjm @ pobox . com ) - remove spaces to email me 'Some days, it's just not worth chewing through the restraints.' 'With sufficient thrust, pigs fly just fine.' HVAC/R program for Palm PDA's Free demo now available online http://pmilligan.net/palm/ <snip> > I'm not real big on drugs in > general ( as opposed to my younger years, when I was more concerned > with 'how much / many could I get :-) ) That explains much. Signature-- --John to email, dial "usenet" and validate (was jclarke at eye bee em dot net) > <snip> > [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > That explains much. No maybe we can turn our attention to what ails you! >>when the spasms hit, it would literally drop me >>where I stood, as in 'Right down to the floor, in public'. [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > It'll have to hurt more than this before they start sticking needles in my > spine. Epidural's are truly wonderful and (oddly) painless. Don't let the fear of pain stop you having one, it's nothing like having a spinal tap and even those aren't unbearable. SignatureBeav VN 750 Zed 1000 OMF# 19 >>>when the spasms hit, it would literally drop me >>>where I stood, as in 'Right down to the floor, in public'. [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > pain stop you having one, it's nothing like having a spinal tap and even > those aren't unbearable. I've twice had a series of three shots in the spine and can tell you the pain of the shots themselves are relatively minor. It's the occasional blinding headache that results that's the problem. My first set of shots worked only after the third shot. I almost gave up on them after the first two shots of the series, but the third shot threw the Pain Off switch instantly. My later repeat of the series did nothing, but the pain went away on its own much later. >>>>when the spasms hit, it would literally drop me >>>>where I stood, as in 'Right down to the floor, in public'. [quoted text clipped - 23 lines] > the Pain Off switch instantly. My later repeat of the series did nothing, > but the pain went away on its own much later. Sounds very much like a cortizone course. I've had a few over the years, but I'm not convinced they're worth the effort or the aggro anymore. SignatureBeav VN 750 Zed 1000 OMF# 19 >>>>>when the spasms hit, it would literally drop me >>>>>where I stood, as in 'Right down to the floor, in public'. [quoted text clipped - 26 lines] > Sounds very much like a cortizone course. I've had a few over the years, > but I'm not convinced they're worth the effort or the aggro anymore. I'm convinced that most back pain goes away by itself. Some you can even 'work off'. > I'm convinced that most back pain goes away by itself. Easy to tell you aren't yet of the elderly presuasion. > Some you can even 'work off'. Most you can't. And it gets worse as you grow older, too. Worst thing I've heard my doctor say recently? "Yup! That's a classic case of shingles!" >> I'm convinced that most back pain goes away by itself. > > Easy to tell you aren't yet of the elderly presuasion. You're right. I won't be 72 until Feb 1 - just middleaged. >> Some you can even 'work off'. > > Most you can't. And it gets worse as you grow older, too. My back has given me a lot of trouble over the years. Now it gives me none but for sciatica affecting my right hip and both soles of my feet. > Worst thing I've heard my doctor say recently? "Yup! That's a classic case > of shingles!" I guess that's not much fun. My doc is proud of my condition. I medicate for high cholesterol and high blood pressure, otherwise my condition is good considering the condition my condition is in. >>> I'm convinced that most back pain goes away by itself. >> >> Easy to tell you aren't yet of the elderly presuasion. > > You're right. I won't be 72 until Feb 1 - just middleaged. Then you should have more sense than to make statements such as you did above. > My back has given me a lot of trouble over the years. Now it gives me > none but for sciatica affecting my right hip and both soles of my feet. "You" are a statistical sample of one. Don't mean squat in terms of anyone but yourself. >>>>>>when the spasms hit, it would literally drop me >>>>>>where I stood, as in 'Right down to the floor, in public'. [quoted text clipped - 28 lines] > > I'm convinced that most back pain goes away by itself. I suspect a lot depends on what caused the back to hurt in the first place. > Some you can even 'work off'. And some you can't. SignatureBeav VN 750 Zed 1000 OMF# 19 >>when the spasms hit, it would literally drop me >>where I stood, as in 'Right down to the floor, in public'. [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > -- > Jack Wise choice. You haven't lived until you've had a headache brought on by an epidural shot. I hurt worse only when I had 1st, 2nd, and 3rd degree burns. I've had back problems off and on for 40 years. The passage of time has seen the end of all of them. Now I hurt only on the bottoms of my feet, and it's not severe - just inconvenient. It's all about Sciatica. You can dick around with doctors or even quack chiropractors. They can indeed give some relief. They will NOT cure anything. You'll get better just as fast if you do nothing. Or not.... > With actual socialized medicine, if the doctor thinks you need it, > there's no point to getting any further authorization, or figuring out > who's going to pay, or any of that nonsense, it was all decided long > ago. As a baby, our youngest came down with a 104 fever in Toronto and had to go to the emergency room, where he was treated in a matter of minutes. At the time, we were asked to pay $15. Several months later, we got an apologetic letter telling us that since we were not citizens, they would have to charge us $100. Sure glad we don't have to put up with any such socialistical medicine in this country. >>>For the last month or so I've been having some pretty severe lower back pain. I >>>finally went to my doctor and she took some x-rays. [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] >the USSR. I told them at the desk in the lobby of the hotel, and the >doctor got to my room at about five minutes after I did. Yeah. I was being facetious. Whenever I've needed medical help in a socialized country, it was excellent. And cheap. >>Let's get healthy, OK? > >Good plan. Especially with our healthcare system. In my case, I'm >lucky with the low back pain. It's a pinched nerve, and I can usually >relieve it just by bending my spine just right, at least for a >while... It's funny. Whenever I start whining about my condition, people always start telling me what to do, some cure, treatment, or whatever. I'm working through the list. Sit down, put your leg here, twist that way, stand like this, bend here...yadda yadda. Good drugs help. One thing I'm having problems with. When I was a kid, I always swore than when I became a geezer, I wouldn't complain about my aches and pains like all the other geezers I'd ever known. Hah. SignatureTurby the Turbosurfer > One thing I'm having problems with. When I was a kid, I always swore > than when I became a geezer, I wouldn't complain about my aches and > pains like all the other geezers I'd ever known. Hah. When I was younger I used to perform a song yclept "I Am My Own Grandpa", and thought it was a hoot. These days he stares back at me out of the mirror, except that I still own most of my own teeth. >> One thing I'm having problems with. When I was a kid, I always swore >> than when I became a geezer, I wouldn't complain about my aches and [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > These days he stares back at me out of the mirror, except that I still own > most of my own teeth. Me too. I bought mine of a young neighbour :-) SignatureBeav VN 750 Zed 1000 OMF# 19 >> When I was younger I used to perform a song yclept "I Am My Own Grandpa", >> and thought it was a hoot. [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > Me too. I bought mine of a young neighbour :-) I hear it only takes a stepladder, a pocket full of change, and a pair of pliers; but whoever heard of a tooth fairy that wears black leather? >>>>For the last month or so I've been having some pretty severe lower back >>>>pain. I [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > Yeah. I was being facetious. Whenever I've needed medical help in a > socialized country, it was excellent. And cheap. And in the case of me and the wife earlier this year, it's fast too. Witin 10 minutes of calling the ambulance, we were both in hospital and my shoulder was repositioned (dis-dislocated) and she was in consultation with a wrist and arm specialist, then an upper arm (long bone) spcialist and finally the shoulder man. As she's allergic to various metals, she had to have titanium plates and screws "installed", so they were custom made the day after and fitted the day after that. She's had numerous X-rays over the last few months, plus a CT scan and the longest wait (for the CT) was one week from the decision to have the scan done. If anyone has doubts about socialised health care, my wife's experience would but them to bed in double quick time. >>>Let's get healthy, OK? >> [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > working through the list. Sit down, put your leg here, twist that way, > stand like this, bend here...yadda yadda. Good drugs help. And whenever someone comes up with a REAL cure for lower back pain, they'll be trillionaires within a week. > One thing I'm having problems with. When I was a kid, I always swore > than when I became a geezer, I wouldn't complain about my aches and > pains like all the other geezers I'd ever known. Hah. Complaining is compulsory for everyone over the age of 50. I've been doing it for nearly 10 years now :-) SignatureBeav VN 750 Zed 1000 OMF# 19 >>>>>For the last month or so I've been having some pretty severe lower >>>>>back pain. I [quoted text clipped - 26 lines] > If anyone has doubts about socialised health care, my wife's experience > would but them to bed in double quick time. Hope you're both mending well, Beav. Robert >>>>>>For the last month or so I've been having some pretty severe lower >>>>>>back pain. I [quoted text clipped - 28 lines] >> > Hope you're both mending well, Beav. I'm fine, but the missus still has a way to go. She'll get there though coz she's a tough old bitch. SignatureBeav VN 750 Zed 1000 OMF# 19 > On Sat, 15 Dec 2007 17:02:46 -0800, Alan Moore > [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > Yeah. I was being facetious. Whenever I've needed medical help in a > socialized country, it was excellent. And cheap. Yep, if we could just get socialized medicine, add a value-added tax and a $4 per gallon federal tax on gasoline and diesel fuel, and mandate a 35-hour work week, things would be a LOT better in this country. Excellent, and cheap! First of course, we'll have to topple the military-industrial complex, dump Bush, and get out of Iraq! Yep, Doctors say the strangest things! >> On Sat, 15 Dec 2007 17:02:46 -0800, Alan Moore >> [quoted text clipped - 24 lines] > > Yep, Doctors say the strangest things! Screw socialized medicine in America. It merely guarantees outrageously high prices for all things involving health care. What we REALLY need is disassembly of all legislation promoting high prices of health care. Why shouldn't there be prices low enough(through open competition) so that we can pay out of pocket? Why do we let ourselves be conned into just blindly accepting current rip-off prices? Adding the costs of bureaucracy to prices already obscenely high is just plain screwy. It makes no sense whatsoever. That's why it will undoubtedly be done.... Remember, we voted twice for dubya.... On Dec 16, 1:08 pm, "Seth Hammond" <lesliesethhamm...@yahoo.com> wrote: > <tomor...@erols.com> wrote in message > [quoted text clipped - 39 lines] > > Remember, we voted twice for dubya....- You are a true revolutionary, sir! Watch out for black helicopters! >Screw socialized medicine in America. It merely guarantees outrageously >high prices for all things involving health care. What we REALLY need is [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > >Remember, we voted twice for dubya.... And as we all know, he is personally responsible for every 'Bad Thing' since the last Ice Age, right ? SignatureClick here every day to feed an animal that needs you today !!! http://www.theanimalrescuesite.com/ Paul ( pjm @ pobox . com ) - remove spaces to email me 'Some days, it's just not worth chewing through the restraints.' 'With sufficient thrust, pigs fly just fine.' HVAC/R program for Palm PDA's Free demo now available online http://pmilligan.net/palm/ >>Screw socialized medicine in America. It merely guarantees outrageously >>high prices for all things involving health care. What we REALLY need is [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > And as we all know, he is personally responsible for every > 'Bad Thing' since the last Ice Age, right ? I expect the list of charges they'll introduce at his trial will be lengthy. >>>Screw socialized medicine in America. It merely guarantees outrageously >>>high prices for all things involving health care. What we REALLY need is [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > >I expect the list of charges they'll introduce at his trial will be lengthy. Bwahahahaha !!! :-) TRIAL !!!!! BWAHAHAHAHA !!!! :-) That's a good one. SignatureClick here every day to feed an animal that needs you today !!! http://www.theanimalrescuesite.com/ Paul ( pjm @ pobox . com ) - remove spaces to email me 'Some days, it's just not worth chewing through the restraints.' 'With sufficient thrust, pigs fly just fine.' HVAC/R program for Palm PDA's Free demo now available online http://pmilligan.net/palm/ >>I expect the list of charges they'll introduce at his trial will be lengthy. > > Bwahahahaha !!! :-) TRIAL !!!!! BWAHAHAHAHA !!!! :-) > > That's a good one. Yeah. Nuttin's EVER gonna stick to OUR GUY! <evil, fiendish laughter> -- Home page: http://xidos.ca On Dec 16, 6:38 pm, "Seth Hammond" <lesliesethhamm...@yahoo.com> wrote: > >>Screw socialized medicine in America. It merely guarantees outrageously > >>high prices for all things involving health care. What we REALLY need is [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] > > I expect the list of charges they'll introduce at his trial will be lengthy. Sweet dreams! > On Dec 16, 6:38 pm, "Seth Hammond" <lesliesethhamm...@yahoo.com> > wrote: [quoted text clipped - 26 lines] > > Sweet dreams! You're kidding, of course. The only reason there's no trial planned right now is the fact that an equally horrid criminal would take his place. Plans for conviction are on hold until Obama is sworn in. >> On Dec 16, 6:38 pm, "Seth Hammond" <lesliesethhamm...@yahoo.com> >> wrote: [quoted text clipped - 30 lines] >now is the fact that an equally horrid criminal would take his place. Plans >for conviction are on hold until Obama is sworn in. They already plan to convict Osama ? SignatureClick here every day to feed an animal that needs you today !!! http://www.theanimalrescuesite.com/ Paul ( pjm @ pobox . com ) - remove spaces to email me 'Some days, it's just not worth chewing through the restraints.' 'With sufficient thrust, pigs fly just fine.' HVAC/R program for Palm PDA's Free demo now available online http://pmilligan.net/palm/ On Dec 17, 10:48 am, "Seth Hammond" <lesliesethhamm...@yahoo.com> wrote: > <tomor...@erols.com> wrote in message > [quoted text clipped - 37 lines] > now is the fact that an equally horrid criminal would take his place. Plans > for conviction are on hold until Obama is sworn in. You're hallucinating, of course. <snip> >It's funny. Whenever I start whining about my condition, people always >start telling me what to do, some cure, treatment, or whatever. Doctors -- M.D. -- tell me that when they get sick, family and friends are always there to tell them what's wrong and what to do about it... >One thing I'm having problems with. When I was a kid, I always swore >than when I became a geezer, I wouldn't complain about my aches and >pains like all the other geezers I'd ever known. Hah. It's a feature. Welcome to Geezerhood. Al Moore DoD 734 > >This is at the "Mayo Clinic of the West". It feels more like some > >Kafkaesque socialized medicine scenario. > > Some bizarre parody of socialized medicine, maybe. I got sick once in > the USSR. I told them at the desk in the lobby of the hotel, and the > doctor got to my room at about five minutes after I did. Maybe when we get sick in ther future, we can all just go "Back To The USSR." > On another occasion, I arrived in Bulgaria from Turkey, feeling > unwell. I was in the hospital for infectious diseases within an hour, > which proved to be a good thing, as I did, in fact, have whatever > bizarre bug had been wreaking havoc in and around Istanbul. It also > gave me the opportunity to become more fluent in Bulgarian and > Romany... Score!!!! > With actual socialized medicine, if the doctor thinks you need it, > there's no point to getting any further authorization, or figuring out > who's going to pay, or any of that nonsense, it was all decided long > ago. Huh. I must've been benefitting from actual socialized medicine all these years!!!! Who'da thunk it! Should I just be forwarding these Anthem Blue Cross/Blue Shield invoices to Moscow? On Dec 16, 10:08 am, "tomor...@erols.com" <tomor...@erols.com> wrote: > > >This is at the "Mayo Clinic of the West". It feels more like some > > >Kafkaesque socialized medicine scenario. [quoted text clipped - 23 lines] > these years!!!! Who'da thunk it! Should I just be forwarding these > Anthem Blue Cross/Blue Shield invoices to Moscow? You don't think someone pays for your BC/BS coverage? I also have BC/BS. Years ago my employer picked up the whole tab and all I had to do was show my card for everything to be covered. Now I contribute toward the coverage and have to deal with deductibles. And of course some things just aren't covered. A few years ago my son's school recomended he have some neurological tests done. They said that they had a fund that would cover the costs, but that if I had insurance that would cover the testing it would be good since that would leave the limited funding for those without coverage. So I wrote a letter to BC/BS explaining what testing would be done and who would be doing it, asking if the testing would be covered. The letter I got in response said the testing would be covered to the limits of my policy. I assume that meant payments would be limited to "usual and costomary" and the max pay out of my policy. Later the bills came in and BC/BS refused to pay anything. When I sent them a copy of their letter they replied that the testing wasn't covered by my policy, so they were in fact covering it to the limits of my policy. Fortunatly all this was in writing and the insurance commision agreed with my interpertation. A few weeks ago I went in for an angiolpasty. A week after having it done I got a letter from BC/BS saying that it was their determination that I could have had the procedure done as an outpatient and they were therefore not going to pay for my staying the night as my doctor had requested. I'm kinda glad I stayed the night seeing as how my heart stopped that night. It started back up on its own, but if it hadn't I think my chances would be far better at the hospital than at home. Right now I'm letting my doctor argue with them, but somehow I get the feeling I'm going to end up going through the appeals process and then to the insurance commission again. Bruce >A few years ago my son's school recomended he have some neurological >tests done. They said that they had a fund that would cover the [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] >would be covered. The letter I got in response said the testing would >be covered to the limits of my policy. Ah ! Weasel-words. A flight to the moon is going to be 'covered to the limits of your policy' - which happen to be zero $$ for flights to the moon. You're covered ! Sign here ! > I assume that meant payments >would be limited to "usual and costomary" and the max pay out of my [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] >limits of my policy. Fortunatly all this was in writing and the >insurance commision agreed with my interpertation. Insurance companies have two goals in life. 1 ) collecting premiums, and 2 ) finding ways to avoid paying claims. SignatureClick here every day to feed an animal that needs you today !!! http://www.theanimalrescuesite.com/ Paul ( pjm @ pobox . com ) - remove spaces to email me 'Some days, it's just not worth chewing through the restraints.' 'With sufficient thrust, pigs fly just fine.' HVAC/R program for Palm PDA's Free demo now available online http://pmilligan.net/palm/ > On Dec 16, 10:08 am, "tomor...@erols.com" <tomor...@erols.com> wrote: > [quoted text clipped - 27 lines] > > You don't think someone pays for your BC/BS coverage? Yes. I do. Quarterly. I own the company. > I also have BC/BS. Years ago my employer picked up the whole tab and > all I had to do was show my card for everything to be covered. Now I > contribute toward the coverage and have to deal with deductibles. And > of course some things just aren't covered. My employees pay 0% of their premiums, I pick up the whole tab, and all they have to do is show the card for everything to be covered. I provide Preferred Provided Option, so they can choose their own doctors, and go when THEY believe that they need medical attention, not when some insurance company or government functionary tells them they do. The things that aren't covered can be paid for out of pre- tax dollars depostied in an FSA. > A few years ago my son's school recomended he have some neurological > tests done. They said that they had a fund that would cover the [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > limits of my policy. Fortunatly all this was in writing and the > insurance commision agreed with my interpertation. Yeah, that sucks, but I'm not sure that you would find things happening differently than if you were dealing with say, a federal medical care program. > A few weeks ago I went in for an angiolpasty. A week after having it > done I got a letter from BC/BS saying that it was their determination [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > get the feeling I'm going to end up going through the appeals process > and then to the insurance commission again. Yeah, they don't want to pay for anything more than they have to. I'm sure the government will be a lot more efficient and generous. It usually is. Unless, of course, you have earned income, or assets, or are employed, or are not a member of a protected or entitled group. Luckily, there are very few people whe fall into that category! On Dec 16, 1:49 pm, "tomor...@erols.com" <tomor...@erols.com> wrote: > > On Dec 16, 10:08 am, "tomor...@erols.com" <tomor...@erols.com> wrote: > [quoted text clipped - 29 lines] > > Yes. I do. Quarterly. I own the company. See how long your "socialized medicine" lasts when you stop making the payments. > > I also have BC/BS. Years ago my employer picked up the whole tab and > > all I had to do was show my card for everything to be covered. Now I [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > they do. The things that aren't covered can be paid for out of pre- > tax dollars depostied in an FSA. Your plan is much better than most working stiffs have these days. It is getting to the point where some are not able to get coverage because they can't afford to pay their share. Then there are deductibles and co-pay to keep them from using services unnecesarily. > > A few years ago my son's school recomended he have some neurological > > tests done. They said that they had a fund that would cover the [quoted text clipped - 33 lines] > > - Show quoted text - Every time I get a copy of the bill it shows what the charges were, and what BC/BS paid as "usual and costomary". The providers have agreed to accept that as payment in full. In the latest batch of bills I got that amounted to less than half of the original charges. It's nice that they accept that as payment in full, but where do they get off charging us more if we don't have BC/BS? I was in that boat for a while, and it sucks to know that you are paying *more* because you don't have insurance. Agreed about your last part, there are plenty of ways they could f.ck up the implementation of socialized medicine. > On Dec 16, 1:49 pm, "tomor...@erols.com" <tomor...@erols.com> wrote: > [quoted text clipped - 34 lines] > See how long your "socialized medicine" lasts when you stop making the > payments. I was, of course, making the point that not ONLY socialized medicine gives excellent, high quality, promptly delivered healthcare like the people in the former USSR, and in Bulgaria, and Romania have always gotten from their enlightened and progressive government medical providers. Even some of those of us suffering from the horrible health care crisis and the completely greed-ridden capitalistic, cold, uncaring, profit-driven, pharmaceutical company driven piss poor excuse of a health care system here in the U.S. still manage to see a doctor and receive medical care, at least on occasion, anyway. I wonder if the doctors, hospitals, nurses, drug companies, and medical technology manufacturers are going to be much more responsive and concerned about my family's healthcare needs when they're getting paid by U.S. HealthCare Inc instead of Anthem Blue Cross Blue Shield? What am I worried about? Of course they will. Look at the personal, caring, loving attention I get from the Department of Motor Vehicles, the Department of Transportation, and the Fairfax COunty Public School system!!! >>For the last month or so I've been having some pretty severe lower back pain. I >>finally went to my doctor and she took some x-rays. > >Same here with the lower back pain. >Let's get healthy, OK? I talked my way into an early ortho appointment today. One look at my MRI and it's obvious. Bad juju with my L4/5 disc. So, Monday it is. Under the knife I go. The doc says 45 minutes & my back'll be good again. Let's hope so. Riding with squishy disc stuff pushing my spinal cord all over the place is not fun. SignatureTurby the Turbosurfer >>>For the last month or so I've been having some pretty severe lower back pain. I >>>finally went to my doctor and she took some x-rays. [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] >back'll be good again. Let's hope so. Riding with squishy disc stuff >pushing my spinal cord all over the place is not fun. Put a big sign on your stomach that says ' This side down'. just to be safe :-) SignatureClick here every day to feed an animal that needs you today !!! http://www.theanimalrescuesite.com/ Paul ( pjm @ pobox . com ) - remove spaces to email me 'Some days, it's just not worth chewing through the restraints.' 'With sufficient thrust, pigs fly just fine.' HVAC/R program for Palm PDA's Free demo now available online http://pmilligan.net/palm/ >>>For the last month or so I've been having some pretty severe lower back pain. I >>>finally went to my doctor and she took some x-rays. [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] >back'll be good again. Let's hope so. Riding with squishy disc stuff >pushing my spinal cord all over the place is not fun. Is this just your way of getting your hands on some pharmaceutical grade drugs for New Years Eve? <g> Our medical marvels can perform wonders these days and I am sure they will have you feeling great in no time. Best of luck Tom. -- 2000 Yamaha Venture Millennium 2004 HD Road King Merry Christmas To All, And To All A Good Ride >Is this just your way of getting your hands on some pharmaceutical >grade drugs for New Years Eve? <g> One percocet, OK. Two percosets, woowoo. SignatureTurby the Turbosurfer > >>For the last month or so I've been having some pretty severe lower back pain. I > >>finally went to my doctor and she took some x-rays. [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > back'll be good again. Let's hope so. Riding with squishy disc stuff > pushing my spinal cord all over the place is not fun. Hope it works as advertised. Let us know! >I talked my way into an early ortho appointment today. One look at my >MRI and it's obvious. Bad juju with my L4/5 disc. My MRI said roughly the same thing with the old fracture thrown in for good measure. Three different kinds of pills for a month and I feel better. Not over it, but I can live with it. Best of luck with yours. Get better and come see my campground this year. -- Jack >I talked my way into an early ortho appointment today. One look at my >MRI and it's obvious. Bad juju with my L4/5 disc. > >So, Monday it is. Under the knife I go. The doc says 45 minutes & my >back'll be good again. Let's hope so. Riding with squishy disc stuff >pushing my spinal cord all over the place is not fun. Hope the results of the operation are worth the risk, Turby. -- Home page: http://xidos.ca > I talked my way into an early ortho appointment today. One look at my > MRI and it's obvious. Bad juju with my L4/5 disc. > > So, Monday it is. Under the knife I go. The doc says 45 minutes & my > back'll be good again. Let's hope so. Riding with squishy disc stuff > pushing my spinal cord all over the place is not fun. I'm rootin' for you Turb. And the good news is that doctors these days seldom come right out and predict a positive outcome unless they're pretty darned *sure* it will be positive! Get better, Pete >> I talked my way into an early ortho appointment today. One look at my >> MRI and it's obvious. Bad juju with my L4/5 disc. [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > > Get better, "Ditto" Signature'01 SV650S '99 EX250-F13 '98 ZG1000-A13 OMF #7 >>>For the last month or so I've been having some pretty severe lower back pain. I >>>finally went to my doctor and she took some x-rays. [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] >back'll be good again. Let's hope so. Riding with squishy disc stuff >pushing my spinal cord all over the place is not fun. I hope he's right. And not too badly hung over or anything... Al Moore DoD 734 > >>>For the last month or so I've been having some pretty severe lower back > >>>pain. I [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > > I hope he's right. And not too badly hung over or anything... Good luck and good health to you, Turby. May your operation be uneventful and your recovery swift and pain-free. SignatureTimberwoof <me at timberwoof dot com> faq: http://www.timberwoof.com/motorcycle/faq.shtml Ten Steps to Fascism: http://www.guardian.co.uk/usa/story/0,,2064157,00.html > For the last month or so I've been having some pretty severe lower back pain. I > finally went to my doctor and she took some x-rays. > > She stuck them up on the viewer and after looking at both views, said "When did > you have your back broken?" and I said "My back has never been broken." and she > said "Yes, it has." SNIP owww... I feel your pain brother. Found out a couple months ago I've sciatica. I'd ignored/dealt with it since 2000 but it had not become a problem until last april. Pain walking sitting made it worse and let's not even discuss that much pain messes with your sex life. ;^) The pain was ONLY a constant 7-8 with stabs to 20. I carried on long enough I was no long conscious of the pain, but it sure showed in how I dealt with people. Told the local reverand, priest etc to f.ck off and die. When I started glaring at puppies and kittens is when I realized how bad it was. > owww... I feel your pain brother. Found out a couple months ago I've > sciatica. I'd ignored/dealt with it since 2000 but it had not become a [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > off and die. When I started glaring at puppies and kittens is when I > realized how bad it was. You know that socialized medicine would fix that, don't you? On Dec 16, 8:18 am, "tomor...@erols.com" <tomor...@erols.com> wrote: > > owww... I feel your pain brother. Found out a couple months ago I've > > sciatica. I'd ignored/dealt with it since 2000 but it had not become a [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > > You know that socialized medicine would fix that, don't you? 8^) That is the military health care system is basicly. As is the VA, to a point anywho. Never knew how vicious, mean and nasty I could be until I mastered the pain...for a time. >> owww... I feel your pain brother. Found out a couple months ago I've >> sciatica. I'd ignored/dealt with it since 2000 but it had not become a [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > > You know that socialized medicine would fix that, don't you? Adding the cost of bureaucratic overhead to current health industry pricing will improve matters in what way? On Dec 16, 1:10 pm, "Seth Hammond" <lesliesethhamm...@yahoo.com> wrote: > <tomor...@erols.com> wrote in message > [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > Adding the cost of bureaucratic overhead to current health industry pricing > will improve matters in what way? EVERYONE will be covered. Let's join hands, and sing, and dance. Can I get a "Kum-By-Yah," here, people? > On Dec 16, 1:10 pm, "Seth Hammond" <lesliesethhamm...@yahoo.com> > wrote: [quoted text clipped - 19 lines] > > EVERYONE will be covered. You're willing to see yer taxes skyrocket so that even the unemployed have the same benefits as you? Let me see if I have this straight - health costs are so high now that we already can't afford to pay out of pocket, so you want full coverage for every swingin' dick in this country, and you're willing for all of us to pay even more in taxes so that the government controls even more of our life. That about it? None of my affair, but I suggest that you not let that turnip truck get too far out of sight. Know what I mean? Let's join hands, and sing, and dance. > Can I get a "Kum-By-Yah," here, people? On Dec 16, 2:14 pm, "Seth Hammond" <lesliesethhamm...@yahoo.com> wrote: > <tomor...@erols.com> wrote in message > [quoted text clipped - 38 lines] > > Let's join hands, and sing, and dance. > > Can I get a "Kum-By-Yah," here, people? Phew. I may be out of sarcasm emoticons again, but YOUR sarcasm-o- meter is COMPLETELY busted, my friend! >> For the last month or so I've been having some pretty severe lower back >> pain. I [quoted text clipped - 17 lines] > off and die. When I started glaring at puppies and kittens is when I > realized how bad it was. BT,DT, BTTS. I once had Sciatica pain in my hips so bad that I seriously considered suicide. I lived on hydrocodone. It was a piss poor way to live. Suddenly the hip pain went away and left only some foot sole problems I can easily deal with. |
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