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Motorcycle Forum / General / Motorcycles / April 2008Almost Broke My Darned Foot Today
Turning into the gas station, had to stop for traffic coming out. Turned in at edge of ramp (near where curb starts), and because I had to stop for the traffic, I had my feet off the pegs. The toe of my right foot caught the curb and rammed my heel into the frame (i.e foot caught between curb and frame with bike in motion). That stung. It was close to a break. It was only luck that I got my foot out (but only because I was already pulling it up when the toe caught). However, it would have been worse (and perhaps even a break) without boots. One more incident like that, and I'll understand why the MSF recommends boots. > The toe of my right > foot caught the curb and rammed my heel into the frame (i.e foot caught > between curb and frame with bike in motion). I'm still trying to figure out how this is possible on an '06 VT600. Will have to look at one in the showroom. When I stop my S40 I bring my feet back from the fwd controls down beside the bike, and if I were to leave them there when I moved forward they would just roll up onto the toes and drag, but there's no frame member right behind them...(?)...ditto for the Harley, unless I were to point my toes like a ballet dancer and drop them into the space between the boards and the engine cover, an unnatural contortion. SQ > Turning into the gas station, had to stop for traffic coming out. Turned in > at edge of ramp (near where curb starts), and because I had to stop for the [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > One more incident like that, and I'll understand why the MSF recommends > boots. He was probably at 45 deg angle to the curb, with no escape path for the foot. On Apr 24, 7:12 pm, "David T. Ashley" <d...@e3ft.com> wrote: > Turning into the gas station, had to stop for traffic coming out. Turned > in [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > One more incident like that, and I'll understand why the MSF recommends > boots. >He was probably at 45 deg angle to the curb, with no escape path for >the foot. I was just about to mention the angle, but you (remarkably) guessed it. I was making a right turn into the gas station from a stop in the curb lane, and the angle was about 45 degrees at the time my toe caught. The bike is safe and conventional in the sense that if the angle had been 90 degrees, there is nothing straight back to trap the foot. It took the odd angle to do it. > I was making a right turn into the gas station from a stop in the curb > lane, and the angle was about 45 degrees at the time my toe caught. > > The bike is safe and conventional in the sense that if the angle had > been 90 degrees, there is nothing straight back to trap the foot. It > took the odd angle to do it. Now it's making slightly more sense... however it must have been that you were turning as well as being at an angle. If so, it was turning that brought the frame toward your foot. SQ >> One more incident like that, and I'll understand why the MSF recommends >> boots. Slow learner?  SignatureStupendous Man, Defender of Freedom, Advocate of Liberty Whoops, forgot the link. http://i221.photobucket.com/albums/dd236/arborigine/100_0394.jpg SignatureStupendous Man, Defender of Freedom, Advocate of Liberty >>> One more incident like that, and I'll understand why the MSF recommends >>> boots. > >Slow learner? Heh, probably. Man, I've seen kids who went down on everything from mopeds to rice rockets and some harley folks too come into the hospital. You could tell they had been wearing sneakers (I remember seeing part of a flip-flop once - shudder) and light summer clothes, even shorts. By the shreds of what was left, mixed in with the deeply abraided flesh. Some of those people spent 4-6 hours having gravel picked out of their torn up skin with tweezers and another 3 or 4 getting dressings put on and being sent home, to suffer for weeks in extreme pain. I don't ride without full leathers, no matter how hot it is. I might rip them off the second I get where I'm going or finish the ride, but I wear them to ride. I only got off a moto once unintentionally in 30+ years of riding. I got mild abrasion (about 3 inches) on my right calf on the outside through the leather, and it destroyed the one side of my helmet and both Held gloves. That gear paid for itself many times over that day. The law is lax on motorcycling, wear a helmet and you are good to go, in a bathing suit if you wish. I don't work in a hospital anymore, so I don't have to look at you when you come in all torn up because you thought it was cool to ride in cutoffs and t-shirts and sneakers on your moto. But someone does, and it happens dozens of times a day. John ZX-14 from hell DoD 327 In article <c8514316-ba49-49a9-8eb7-535a8cfac53e@l64g2000hse.googlegroups.com>, > > Turning into the gas station, had to stop for traffic coming out. Turned in > > at edge of ramp (near where curb starts), and because I had to stop for the [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > He was probably at 45 deg angle to the curb, with no escape path for > the foot. And _he_'s talking about the OP as though he isn't present. SignatureTimberwoof <me at timberwoof dot com> faq: http://www.timberwoof.com/motorcycle/faq.shtml > And _he_'s talking about the OP as though he isn't present. I just stopped and looked behind me: he isn't. > and because I had to stop for the >traffic, I had my feet off the pegs. If you were moving, why were your feet of the pegs? Bad stuff can happen when you start manuevering with your feet hanging down. A few months ago a neighbor managed to run over his foot (giant metric cruiser) doing something very similar. His broken ankle is just about to come out of the cast. John >> and because I had to stop for the >>traffic, I had my feet off the pegs. [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > something > very similar. His broken ankle is just about to come out of the cast. You may be teaching me a valuable lesson there. It is a bad habit of mine. I may leave my landing gear down longer than I should. By the way, the gear were coming up, or I would have broken the foot. The only thing that saved me is my foot was coming up at the same time the curb caught my toe. Point taken: move the gear wheel to the UP position sooner as a rule. > You may be teaching me a valuable lesson there. It is a bad habit of > mine. I may leave my landing gear down longer than I should. OK, to put it in aviation terms: Your feet are NOT your landing gear. They're in essence your wheel chocks. They shouldn't be on the ground when the bike is in motion, at least not beyond moving VERY slowly. If you can't feel secure in keeping the bike upright at low speeds, you need more practice at that. Using your legs and feet as training wheels is NOT the answer. Bob M. > One more incident like that, and I'll understand why the MSF recommends > boots. Slow learner, eh? > However, it would have been worse (and perhaps even a break) without > boots. > > One more incident like that, and I'll understand why the MSF recommends > boots. Think also, next time, about how much more mass your motorcycle has compared to, say, a bicycle (which is where most of us first learn about "putting feet down") and then use that thought to influence when and how your feet leave the pegs in the future. In other words, brakes are what you should use for stopping, and feet are what you use for stability once stopped (or damn close to it). Bob M. >> However, it would have been worse (and perhaps even a break) without >> boots. [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > > Bob M. Good point, man. I never thought about the origin of the behavior and how its appropriateness changes on a motorcycle. The bike really could have done bad things to my foot. It could have been folded under the frame, for example. [...] > One more incident like that, and I'll understand why the MSF recommends > boots. Riding with bare feet sucks because the brake lever digs into your instep after a while. Leslie SignatureLeszek "Leslie" Karlik NTV 650 > [...] > [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > after > a while. Heh-heh... Greg > Leslie > -- > Leszek "Leslie" Karlik > NTV 650 > Turning into the gas station, had to stop for traffic coming out. Turned in > at edge of ramp (near where curb starts), and because I had to stop for the > traffic, I had my feet off the pegs. One of my feet is always on a peg as I only put my left leg down at a stop. > The toe of my right foot caught the > curb and rammed my heel into the frame (i.e foot caught between curb and Uh-huh and if your right foot had been on the peg where it belongs... :)- > frame with bike in motion). That stung. It was close to a break. It was > only luck that I got my foot out (but only because I was already pulling it > up when the toe caught). > > However, it would have been worse (and perhaps even a break) without boots. I always wear boots... always, always, always, but not for that reason since if my bike goes over on me, I'm jumping outta the way and lettin' her go down. 800lbs of metal vs 185lbs of flesh... the bike'll win. I wear boots because if I wreck, I don't want my shoes coming off as you can see in video after video on UTube of guys who wear sneakers when riding. > One more incident like that, and I'll understand why the MSF recommends > boots. David, it's a good thing you are experiencing these things without paying a big price. You're a smart guy and I can tell you learn from even the smallest things - that's good. We all need to be like that. Greg > Turning into the gas station, had to stop for traffic coming out. Turned in > at edge of ramp (near where curb starts), and because I had to stop for the [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > One more incident like that, and I'll understand why the MSF recommends > boots. This has been one of my pet peeves for a loooooong. Time. Wheels moving, feet on pegs. Waddling around with your body ungrounded is just asking for trouble. Put them up on the pegs, and control the bike. -- Cam '00 Triumph Sprint RS www.RideForDoug.com |
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