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What the HELL HAPPENED HERE!!!!

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Winter - 26 Apr 2008 23:43 GMT
I have not read here for a while but wanted to join back in and the
site has been completely and totally trashed. Geez......used to be a
good group for info.  Outta here. Fix it for God's sake.

Winter
Calgary - 26 Apr 2008 23:47 GMT
>  Outta here. Fix it for God's sake.

Well losing another anonymous ankle biter is a good first step. Thanks
for doing your part

 

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sleazy - 27 Apr 2008 00:07 GMT
> I have not read here for a while but wanted to join back in and the
> site has been completely and totally trashed. Geez......used to be a
> good group for info.  Outta here. Fix it for God's sake.
>
> Winter

We'll get right on that.  Thanks for bringing it to our attention.

Is he gone yet?

What an a.shole.  Like we control what gets posted.  *shhhheeeeeeeeeesh*
.p.jm@see_my_sig_for_address.com - 27 Apr 2008 00:14 GMT
>I have not read here for a while but wanted to join back in and the
>site has been completely and totally trashed. Geez......used to be a
>good group for info.  Outta here. Fix it for God's sake.
>
>Winter

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Beauregard T. Shagnasty - 27 Apr 2008 00:18 GMT
> I have not read here for a while but wanted to join back in and the
> site

This is not a "site."  This is Usenet. Look it up.

> has been completely and totally trashed. Geez......used to be a
> good group for info.  Outta here. Fix it for God's sake.

Fix it yourself. I assume you are referring to all the friggin' spam
that comes from Google Groups posters. Those of us using a news server
and a real newsreader can filter you out. (which I did, but happened to
see the replies)

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c - 27 Apr 2008 00:29 GMT
On Apr 26, 7:18 pm, "Beauregard T. Shagnasty"
<a.nony.m...@example.invalid> wrote:
> > I have not read here for a while but wanted to join back in and the
> > site
[quoted text clipped - 12 lines]
>    -bts
>    -Motorcycles defy gravity; cars just suck

actually there's a plugin you can use with firefox to gain newsreader
capability ...

have it on my work pc, can check it in a while if anyone cares
Turby - 27 Apr 2008 08:31 GMT
>Fix it yourself. I assume you are referring to all the friggin' spam
>that comes from Google Groups posters. Those of us using a news server
>and a real newsreader can filter you out. (which I did, but happened to
>see the replies)

So, assuming I start filtering Googlers, who (of the regulars) does
that eliminate besides Tim?

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Beauregard T. Shagnasty - 27 Apr 2008 12:40 GMT
>> Fix it yourself. I assume you are referring to all the friggin' spam
>> that comes from Google Groups posters. Those of us using a news
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
> So, assuming I start filtering Googlers, who (of the regulars) does
> that eliminate besides Tim?

A few...  you can always whitelist them.

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Turby - 28 Apr 2008 08:30 GMT
>>> Fix it yourself. I assume you are referring to all the friggin' spam
>>> that comes from Google Groups posters. Those of us using a news
[quoted text clipped - 5 lines]
>
>A few...  you can always whitelist them.

unh yeah. When I don't see posts from some people, I know they're on
Google.

Actually, I was looking for a show of hands.

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Beauregard T. Shagnasty - 28 Apr 2008 13:25 GMT
>>>> Fix it yourself. I assume you are referring to all the friggin'
>>>> spam that comes from Google Groups posters. Those of us using a
[quoted text clipped - 8 lines]
> unh yeah. When I don't see posts from some people, I know they're on
> Google.

Not sure how your reader handles scoring syntax, but in Dialog the
following works just fine:

!markread Message-ID googlegroups.com
!markunread From "tomorrow@erols.com"
!markunread From "Bob Nixon <bigrex2005@yahoo.com>"
!markunread From "Rob Kleinschmidt <Rkleinsch1216128@aol.com>"
!markunread From "Bruce Richmond <bsr3997@my-deja.com>"

...etc.

> Actually, I was looking for a show of hands.

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Keith - 27 Apr 2008 21:51 GMT
> So, assuming I start filtering Googlers, who (of the regulars)
> does that eliminate besides Tim?

I think Bob Nixon uses Google Groups, too.  I had to remove the Google
Groups ban from my newsreader 'cause I was missing his posts.  I'm not
sure if Xnews can "white list"; I'll have to check on that.

-Keith
Polarhound - 27 Apr 2008 00:24 GMT
> I have not read here for a while but wanted to join back in and the
> site has been completely and totally trashed. Geez......used to be a
> good group for info.  Outta here. Fix it for God's sake.

You can't mumbawumba in the banana patch.
.p.jm@see_my_sig_for_address.com - 27 Apr 2008 00:29 GMT
>> I have not read here for a while but wanted to join back in and the
>> site has been completely and totally trashed. Geez......used to be a
>> good group for info.  Outta here. Fix it for God's sake.
>
>You can't mumbawumba in the banana patch.

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TroytheTroll - 27 Apr 2008 02:04 GMT
>I have not read here for a while but wanted to join back in and the
> site has been completely and totally trashed. Geez......used to be a
> good group for info.  Outta here. Fix it for God's sake.
>
> Winter

I apologize for the Hardley guys, just seems like they went wild and
mucked up the works.
Timberwoof - 27 Apr 2008 02:59 GMT
In article
<a6432c96-7dec-4c33-9685-94fe5b8107f7@x41g2000hsb.googlegroups.com>,

> I have not read here for a while but wanted to join back in and the
> site has been completely and totally trashed. Geez......used to be a
> good group for info.  Outta here. Fix it for God's sake.

Well, if you're gone, does that mean you won't complain about it? Then
why fix it?

The only way really to fix this is to get some netcops to volunteer and
start complaining to ISPs, particularly Google, about the spam. But
people who do that job get called netcops, and nobody wants to be called
a netcop.

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David T. Ashley - 27 Apr 2008 03:29 GMT
> In article
> <a6432c96-7dec-4c33-9685-94fe5b8107f7@x41g2000hsb.googlegroups.com>,
[quoted text clipped - 10 lines]
> people who do that job get called netcops, and nobody wants to be called
> a netcop.

I'm probably speaking out of turn here, and this has probably already been
done, but it really isn't that difficult if one is willing to deviate from
the NNTP protocol and go with something database-based and web-based.

In a web-based forum, for example, it is easy to engineer it so that users
can vote on whether it is SPAM or otherwise inappropriate.  If several users
flag it, nobody else would see it.

There are a lot of discussion forums with user policing.  I think but am not
sure that DailyKos uses a similar model.

In effect, EVERYONE is a NetCop.  If 100 people have viewed a post and 10
say it is inappropriate, then it probably is inappropriate.
P. Roehling - 27 Apr 2008 06:44 GMT
> If 100 people have viewed a post and 10 say it is inappropriate, then it
> probably is inappropriate.

Oh goody. So which 10% of the population do you want telling *you* what
you're allowed to read?

Mrs. Grundy lives.
David T. Ashley - 27 Apr 2008 09:14 GMT
>> If 100 people have viewed a post and 10 say it is inappropriate, then it
>> probably is inappropriate.
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
>
> Mrs. Grundy lives.

Given the database nature of it, it would be easy to allow devout civil
libertarians to read all the SPAM that nobody else wants to read.

It would be painless to give the user a choice about suppression.

I installed vBulletin recently.  Web-based bulletin board software is a
miracle.
Mark Olson - 27 Apr 2008 13:21 GMT
> I installed vBulletin recently.  Web-based bulletin board software is a
> miracle.

In my opinion web forums are totally sh.t.  What I want is words,
not pictures and a huge amount of extraneous garbage in signatures.
If you want pictures you can include URLs in your usenet post
which people can visit if they wish.

If any of the web based forum software had decent text-only
options I'd reconsider this opinion.

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Stephen! - 28 Apr 2008 15:41 GMT
> In my opinion web forums are totally sh.t.  What I want is words,
> not pictures and a huge amount of extraneous garbage in signatures.
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
> If any of the web based forum software had decent text-only
> options I'd reconsider this opinion.

 Nothing to add...  It just needed to be said again.

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Stephen! - 28 Apr 2008 15:40 GMT
> In effect, EVERYONE is a NetCop.  If 100 people have viewed a post and
> 10 say it is inappropriate, then it probably is inappropriate.

 Ahh yes...  The old "Minority Rules" theory of the modern liberal
mindset...  Great idea.

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sleazy - 28 Apr 2008 20:20 GMT
>> In effect, EVERYONE is a NetCop.  If 100 people have viewed a post and
>> 10 say it is inappropriate, then it probably is inappropriate.
>
>   Ahh yes...  The old "Minority Rules" theory of the modern liberal
> mindset...  Great idea.

Amen, You don't like the topic, there's always the option of closing
the thread on YOUR computer and moving on.  If that don't satisfy you.
too f.cking bad.  It's a free world.  For the most part.
P. Roehling - 29 Apr 2008 04:10 GMT
>  Ahh yes...  The old "Minority Rules" theory of the modern liberal
> mindset...  Great idea.

"Liberal mindset"? If only!

Fact is, both the left *and* the right want to impose their own moral
agendas on the majority, who fervently wish that both extremes would simply
go to hell and stop trying to legislate morality.
Sean_Q_ - 27 Apr 2008 03:28 GMT
> I have not read here for a while but wanted to join back in and the
> site has been completely and totally trashed. Geez......

Try bursting into a biker bar IRL and delivering the same speech.
In fact, make it Gatlinburg in mid-July. It would be interesting
to see the results on YouTube.

SQ
Jeff Mayner - 27 Apr 2008 05:31 GMT
> I have not read here for a while but wanted to join back in and the
> site has been completely and totally trashed. Geez......used to be a
> good group for info.  Outta here. Fix it for God's sake.
>
> Winter

<yawn>
The Older Gentleman - 27 Apr 2008 09:15 GMT
> I have not read here for a while but wanted to join back in and the
> site has been completely and totally trashed. Geez......used to be a
> good group for info.  Outta here. Fix it for God's sake.

I don't see the spam. Get a good newsreader and a good news server and
stop yammering.

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Road Glidin' Don - 27 Apr 2008 16:14 GMT
>I have not read here for a while but wanted to join back in and the
>site has been completely and totally trashed. Geez......used to be a
>good group for info.  Outta here. Fix it for God's sake.

Might sound counter-intuitive, but the large volume of spam is sort of
an indicator of how well a newsgroup is doing.  They tend to ignore
the smaller, back-water groups with less traffic.
The Older Gentleman - 27 Apr 2008 16:50 GMT
> >I have not read here for a while but wanted to join back in and the
> >site has been completely and totally trashed. Geez......used to be a
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
> an indicator of how well a newsgroup is doing.  They tend to ignore
> the smaller, back-water groups with less traffic.

They're spamming rmt, so this theory doesn't really hold water.

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Michael R. Kesti - 27 Apr 2008 17:30 GMT
>> >I have not read here for a while but wanted to join back in and the
>> >site has been completely and totally trashed. Geez......used to be a
[quoted text clipped - 5 lines]
>
>They're spamming rmt, so this theory doesn't really hold water.

Yes, there will be exceptions, but Don's theory is mostly correct. Good
examples can be had in the comp domain.  The more general groups there
with large volumes are getting spammed while the more specific groups
with small volumes receive little or no spam at all.

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P. Roehling - 29 Apr 2008 04:13 GMT
>>> Might sound counter-intuitive, but the large volume of spam is sort of
>>> an indicator of how well a newsgroup is doing.  They tend to ignore
[quoted text clipped - 6 lines]
> with large volumes are getting spammed while the more specific groups
> with small volumes receive little or no spam at all.

I've seen exactly the same thing. Apparently it doesn't pay to waste time
spamming small groups.
 
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