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Motorcycle Forum / General / Motorcycles / May 2008It's not the loud pipes, it's the a.sholes
Lots of opinions about motorcycle noise around here lately. Here's mine. The problem isn't loud pipes, it's a.sholes with loud pipes. They think their pipes make them bad a.ses and go out of their way to make other people uncomfortable. They are in the minority. Charity rides and events like "Rolling Thunder" are full of good people with loud pipes. Unfortunately, a few a.sholes are giving them a bad name.  SignatureLew >Unfortunately, a few a.sholes are giving them a bad name. Creeping slowly towards the issue... On May 25, 3:38 pm, loudpi...@riskrights.com wrote: > >Unfortunately, a few a.sholes are giving them a bad name. > > Creeping slowly towards the issue... piss off when you DO something then you may speak. > Lots of opinions about motorcycle noise around here lately. Here's > mine. The problem isn't loud pipes, it's a.sholes with loud pipes. > They think their pipes make them bad a.ses and go out of their way to > make other people uncomfortable. They are in the minority. Charity > rides and events like "Rolling Thunder" are full of good people with > loud pipes. Unfortunately, a few a.sholes are giving them a bad name. I usually can't tell whether someone with loud pipes actually is an a.shole or is just trying to be mistaken for one. It doesn't matter to me: whether he's an a.shole or not, the motorcycle makes too much noise. SignatureTimberwoof <me at timberwoof dot com> faq: http://www.timberwoof.com/motorcycle/faq.shtml Ten Steps to Fascism: http://www.guardian.co.uk/usa/story/0,,2064157,00.html On May 25, 6:46 pm, Timberwoof <timberwoof.s...@infernosoft.com> wrote: > In article <Xns9AA9AF22AF2E3notmenotmindsprin...@69.16.186.7>, > [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > a.shole or is just trying to be mistaken for one. It doesn't matter to > me: whether he's an a.shole or not, the motorcycle makes too much noise. Yeah, I agree! Who do they think they are! Why just last weekend, the wife and I were in the cage on the far aide of a 4 lane divided highway, ready to pull out to the other side when all of a sudden I hear a bike coming. I can't see it, but I know it's in the area, so i start looking and sure enough, there it comes. A few weeks ago, I almost got nailed by a small herd of deer while riding my bike only to find out shortly thereafter from bystanders that my loud pipes caused the herd to shift direction at the last moment, allowing me to skirt a tragedy. And now with my stock pipes on my new bike, I've noticed that I'm using the horn a whole lot more to warn cars that I'm there - during the daytime! I didnt use my horn near as much with my ex-loud pipe bike. And I never blipped the throttle when stopped on the loud bike. Just who do they think they are! Warning us they're in the area! :)- It's like smoking; I don't care if you smoke, but I choose not to. You want loud pipes then by all means you should have 'em as long you don't blip them unnecessarily. Greg > -- > Timberwoof <me at timberwoof dot com> > faq: http://www.timberwoof.com/motorcycle/faq.shtml > Ten Steps to Fascism:http://www.guardian.co.uk/usa/story/0,,2064157,00.html > And now with my stock pipes on my new bike, I've noticed that I'm > using the horn a whole lot more to warn cars that I'm there - during > the daytime! I didnt use my horn near as much with my ex-loud pipe > bike. I dunno about your, but one big difference between MY horn and somebody else's loud pipes is that the horn sounds only when I push the button. Loud pipes are obnoxious all the time, and that's both the problem and their major shortcoming as a "safety enhancement" (if that's how someone is trying to justify them) - a CONSTANT noise source tends to very quickly be ignored to the extent that it can. Low-frequency sound also isn't very easily located by listeners; if you want to make a noise that will quickly direct people's attention toward the bike, well, again, the horn does a much better job. Bob M. >"oasysco" <wilderkommen@yahoo.com> wrote in message > [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] > >Bob M. I have quiet pipes. I think I have a horn. Not sure it works though. I'll check the next time I ride in about an hour. My neighbor now, he has loud pipes. The dog down the street chases him but never chases me. He has an even louder freaking air horn. Uses it a lot. Never sure why. I think he just likes to be obnoxious. I always figure if I have time to use the horn then it's not necessary to use it. YOMV Dave (Dukes Sheep) '07 FLHTCU NAH#2 DOF #5 SENS "Oh bother" said Pooh, as he was connected at 14.4kps A: Because it disturbs the logical flow of the message. Q: Why is topposting frowned upon? > I always figure if I have time to use the horn then it's not necessary > to use it. A horn has saved me at least once. Sometimes another driver is trying to kill you slowly, at least in a relative sense. I only remember it, because I later wondered about how to make my horn louder. It was fairly easy to ignore the way it came from Honda. SignatureKenneth P. Turvey <kt-usenet@squeakydolphin.com> http://www.electricsenator.net A distributed system is one in which the failure of a computer you didn't even know existed can render your own computer unusable. -- Les Lamport >> I always figure if I have time to use the horn then it's not necessary >> to use it. [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > I only remember it, because I later wondered about how to make my horn > louder. It was fairly easy to ignore the way it came from Honda. Aftermarket horns. I swapped my wimpy stock horn out for a pair of FIAMM "Freeway Blasters" and it has really made a difference. As to Sheep's "if I have time to use the horn..." - it takes very little time IF you have practiced it, just like everything else. Again, dunno about yours, but my horn button is operated by my left thumb, which doesn't seem to have a whole lot to do when I'm swerving, doing a quickest-possible stop, etc., etc.. When you're practicing such things - and you DO, right? - including a quick stab at the horn button will make this an automatic response when you need it. These days, when I find myself covering the brake and clutch, I'm also poised to give the horn a quick press. Bob M. > When you're practicing such things - > and you DO, right? - including a quick stab at the horn button will make > this an automatic response when you need it. These days, when I find > myself covering the brake and clutch, I'm also poised to give the horn a > quick press. I got so I kept my thumb on the horn button when I was in traffic and there was any sign of risk, but still, the time it took to honk the horn was longer than I would have liked. It just didn't happen automatically. My mind went through the, "whoa, what the hell", before actually hitting the horn. I never did get the horn replaced. I thought about it more than once, but just never got around to it. SignatureKenneth P. Turvey <kt-usenet@squeakydolphin.com> http://www.electricsenator.net Unix gives you just enough rope to hang yourself -- and then a couple of more feet, just to be sure. -- Eric Allman > >> I always figure if I have time to use the horn then it's not necessary > >> to use it. [quoted text clipped - 19 lines] > find myself covering the brake and clutch, I'm also poised to > give the horn a quick press. I use the horn to communicate. Generally, if I am forced to have to take evasive action, it is too late for communication to do any good at all. >I use the horn to communicate. Generally, if I am forced to have to >take evasive action, it is too late for communication to do any good >at all. Roger that and I like my Fiamms, too. Signature======================================================================== Michael Kesti | "And like, one and one don't make | two, one and one make one." mrkesti at hotmail dot com | - The Who, Bargain > I use the horn to communicate. Generally, if I am forced to have to > take evasive action, it is too late for communication to do any good > at all. But it can't hurt... Bob M. > <tomor...@erols.com> wrote in message > [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > > But it can't hurt... Depends on the driver. The horn is usually way down on my list of stuff to do when I'm busy avoiding a bad driver. Bad drivers will often make a bad situation worse if you alarm them by actions like slamming on the brakes instead of hitting the gas and getting out of your way. In an emergency, it's only worth communicating with someone when you expect them to be able to do something useful. > > <tomor...@erols.com> wrote in message > [quoted text clipped - 19 lines] > someone when you expect them to be able to do > something useful. Or when you can't be botherd to flip the dumbass off. 8^) > > > <tomor...@erols.com> wrote in message > [quoted text clipped - 21 lines] > > Or when you can't be botherd to flip the dumbass off. 8^) Or maybe you could text 'em. > > > > <tomor...@erols.com> wrote in message > [quoted text clipped - 23 lines] > > Or maybe you could text 'em.- Hide quoted text - What's that? Are you suggesting I throw books at cars? -- Keith >> > > > <tomor...@erols.com> wrote in message >> [quoted text clipped - 25 lines] > >What's that? Are you suggesting I throw books at cars? No, no, NO!!! Then they'll start reading them while they're driving! > On Tue, 27 May 2008 20:47:07 -0700 (PDT), "S'mee" > [quoted text clipped - 31 lines] > > No, no, NO!!! Then they'll start reading them while they're driving! Ya think they can READ???? On May 28, 8:56 am, "tomor...@erols.com" <tomor...@erols.com> wrote: > > On Tue, 27 May 2008 20:47:07 -0700 (PDT), "S'mee" > [quoted text clipped - 35 lines] > > - Show quoted text - Judging by their reactions to road signs? Yes, but very slowly and slow to comprehend. Well to judge by how they react at the last moment like a herd of white tail. -- Keith > On Tue, 27 May 2008 20:47:07 -0700 (PDT), "S'mee" > [quoted text clipped - 33 lines] > > - Show quoted text - No great loss. Carrion eaters have to eat also. When the mess is cleaned up we haul off the cage and recycle it into a coulple of Cub 90's. -- Keith > My neighbor now, he has loud pipes. The dog down the street chases > him but never chases me. He has an even louder freaking air horn. > Uses it a lot. Never sure why. I think he just likes to be > obnoxious. He hasn't gotten over how his mommy didn't pay him enough attention when he was a puppy. SignatureTimberwoof <me at timberwoof dot com> faq: http://www.timberwoof.com/motorcycle/faq.shtml Ten Steps to Fascism: http://www.guardian.co.uk/usa/story/0,,2064157,00.html >>"oasysco" <wilderkommen@yahoo.com> wrote in message >> [quoted text clipped - 29 lines] > > YOMV On a rented Softtail, I pulled up a road in Italy, that dead ended at a privately owned vineyard. As the road was gravel, and cat was on the back, I was very careful about turning the behemoth around. About this time a large brown dog lumbered out of the front and started barking at me. He was wagging his tail, so I thought he was probably cool. I talked to him and tried to be nice but he kept barking. Well, when I started to slowly rode away, that f.cker started biting at my ankle. Thankfully, I had brought mu Sidi's on the trip and he couldn't get at my leg. He did tear a hole in my jeans though. Several weeks later, after I returned home, I noticed this funny chunk missing off the top of the boots. I wondered where that had happened. It didn't dawn on me until later that the Roman dog had bit the top off of my boot. SignatureRev. Thumper Rabbitt Minister and Prophet, Church of Rec.Motorcycles®. > Dave (Dukes Sheep) > '07 FLHTCU NAH#2 DOF #5 SENS > "Oh bother" said Pooh, as he was connected at 14.4kps > > A: Because it disturbs the logical flow of the message. > Q: Why is topposting frowned upon? > On May 25, 6:46 pm, Timberwoof <timberwoof.s...@infernosoft.com> > wrote: [quoted text clipped - 45 lines] > > - Show quoted text - problem is the smoke is being blown into innocent faces. loud pipes ARE unnecessary. > Lots of opinions about motorcycle noise around here lately. Yeah, and from what I can see, the majority of the recent threads have been started by a single troll using multiple identities. If you guys would ignore the threads instead of taking the bait, you'd run a much better chance of actually anoying the troll. I did a quick thread search on "loud pipes" and found that it is one of the single most argued topics on Reeky since the early '90s -- the reality of which I'm very aware, because I've been haging around here for well over a decade. I rarely bother posting in these topics anymore, because everything has already been said and archived. Look up any old USENET thread on this subject and you'll see that there was someone who believed everything you believe, expressed it loudly, and someone who believed the exact opposite. Then the same old flame war ensued -- yawn. Sorry, but these newer incarnations of the debate have brought nothing new or fresh to the table, this thread included. Are there ignorant dipsticks who sometimes ride around on ungodly loud Harleys? Yes, plenty of them. And God bless 'em, every single one, because what they do sounds like good old fashioned liberty to me. We could have a lot worse to complain about in this country, and the magnitude of the motorcycle noise issue is pretty good evidence that we lack many real problems to consume our attention. Cheers, Tim Kreitz 2004 ZRX1200R 2003 ZX7R DoD #2184 http://www.timkreitz.com >Are there ignorant dipsticks who sometimes ride around on ungodly loud >Harleys? Yes, plenty of them. And God bless 'em, every single one, >because what they do sounds like good old fashioned liberty to me. We >could have a lot worse to complain about in this country, and the >magnitude of the motorcycle noise issue is pretty good evidence that >we lack many real problems to consume our attention. Probably the most astute response I've read on this topic in a long time, Tim. Thanks for at least bringing something new to this table. >>Are there ignorant dipsticks who sometimes ride around on ungodly loud >>Harleys? Yes, plenty of them. And God bless 'em, every single one, >>because what they do sounds like good old fashioned liberty to me. We Good old-fashioned rudeness and disrresepct for those around you. A guy on the next street over just got a Sportster, either with straight pipes or no pipes, judging by the sound. When he pulls in or out, the entire f.cking neighborhood, meaning 20 - 30 + homes, has to listen to his sh.t. If it's 2 AM, 20 - 30 families get woken up. That's not 'freedom', that's 'disrespect'. >>could have a lot worse to complain about in this country, and the >>magnitude of the motorcycle noise issue is pretty good evidence that >>we lack many real problems to consume our attention. > >Probably the most astute response I've read on this topic in a long >time, Tim. Thanks for at least bringing something new to this table. SignatureClick here every day to feed an animal that needs you today !!! www.theanimalrescuesite.com/ Paul ( pjm @ pobox . com ) - remove spaces to email me 'Some days, it's just not worth chewing through the restraints.' 'With sufficient thrust, pigs fly just fine.' HVAC/R program for Palm PDA's Free demo online at www.pmilligan.net/palm/ Free 'People finder' program now at www.pmilligan.net/finder.htm >A guy on the next street over just got a Sportster, either >with straight pipes or no pipes, judging by the sound. When he pulls >in or out, the entire f.cking neighborhood, meaning 20 - 30 + homes, >has to listen to his sh.t. If it's 2 AM, 20 - 30 families get woken >up. Yes, I think I'll stay up all night tonight thinking about that. I wasn't aware, until now, that there are some absolute a.sholes in the world. I guess I'll now have to stop waking up the "entire f.cking neighborhood, meaning 20 - 30 + homes" at 2 AM next time. Oh wait. I don't ever do that. So why do people think everyone with louder-than-stock pipes should be so sympathetic to their frustrations? They obviously never learned people get tired of listening to those who bitch and whine because they can't handle what no one else loses sleep over. There will always be people like that. In a hundred years we might have the most restrictive laws you ever imagined and, you know what? I'll bet the same fraction of people will still be bitchin' and whinin' just as loudly about something else anyway. f.ck 'em if they can't take a joke. Let freedom ring. >>A guy on the next street over just got a Sportster, either >>with straight pipes or no pipes, judging by the sound. When he pulls [quoted text clipped - 22 lines] > >f.ck 'em if they can't take a joke. Let freedom ring. That sounds good until one realizes that freedom requires responsibility. Signature======================================================================== Michael Kesti | "And like, one and one don't make | two, one and one make one." mrkesti at hotmail dot com | - The Who, Bargain >>A guy on the next street over just got a Sportster, either >>with straight pipes or no pipes, judging by the sound. When he pulls [quoted text clipped - 22 lines] > > f.ck 'em if they can't take a joke. Let freedom ring. Yeah, I don't do that either. The guy with the Suzuki down the street, is much more obnoxious than I am. Thumper > So why do people think everyone with louder-than-stock pipes should be > so sympathetic to their frustrations? They obviously never learned [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > > f.ck 'em if they can't take a joke. Let freedom ring. You have a choice about whether to read any article in this thread. If some a.shole blasts by with a loud vehicle, at whatever time of day, I don't have a choice about whether to hear it. And the "joke" has long ago become stale. It's not funny any more. SignatureTimberwoof <me at timberwoof dot com> faq: http://www.timberwoof.com/motorcycle/faq.shtml > You have a choice about whether to read any article in this thread. If > some a.shole blasts by with a loud vehicle, at whatever time of day, I > don't have a choice about whether to hear it. > > And the "joke" has long ago become stale. It's not funny any more. We have gotten pretty intolerant as a society. We don't let our neighbors smoke. We live in neighborhoods that allow us to prevent our neighbors from painting their houses in colors we don't like. The list goes on and on. I think the issue is not whether loud pipes are obnoxious, but whether they are annoying enough to really get up in arms about. That probably depends on the pipes, the rider, the location, and the time. I tend to err on the side of letting people do what they want, but there are some people who are just a.sholes. Sometimes you need to give them a bit of a whack on the forehead to get them to pay attention. SignatureKenneth P. Turvey <kt-usenet@squeakydolphin.com> http://www.electricsenator.net Over himself, over his own body and mind, the individual is sovereign. -- John Stuart Mill > > You have a choice about whether to read any article in this thread. If > > some a.shole blasts by with a loud vehicle, at whatever time of day, I [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > are some people who are just a.sholes. Sometimes you need to give them a > bit of a whack on the forehead to get them to pay attention. Why is tolerance always laid on the shoulder of people who want quiet? Why can't we ask those with personal problems to tolerate the quiet in their lives and quit imposing their lifestyles on others? SignatureTimberwoof <me at timberwoof dot com> faq: http://www.timberwoof.com/motorcycle/faq.shtml Ten Steps to Fascism: http://www.guardian.co.uk/usa/story/0,,2064157,00.html > Why is tolerance always laid on the shoulder of people who want quiet? > Why can't we ask those with personal problems to tolerate the quiet in > their lives and quit imposing their lifestyles on others? Because quiet doesn't supplant noise. It would be very difficult to be so quiet it disturbs the neighbors. Tolerance is the obligation of those that, if they weren't exercising it, would otherwise make a hassle for those that were disturbing them. That said, there is very little you should have to put up with within the confines of your own home. If the noise is disturbing you there, the other guy has crossed the line. My opinion anyway. SignatureKenneth P. Turvey <kt-usenet@squeakydolphin.com> http://www.electricsenator.net I took the initiative in creating the Internet. -- Al Gore On May 26, 6:39 am, "Kenneth P. Turvey" <kt-use...@squeakydolphin.com> wrote: > > You have a choice about whether to read any article in this thread. If > > some a.shole blasts by with a loud vehicle, at whatever time of day, I [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > We have gotten pretty intolerant as a society. We don't let our > neighbors smoke. We live in neighborhoods that allow us to prevent our Which is amusing to me because I don't claim these people as part of society, rather they are spoilt children acting on their ongoing issues of having no control of their lives. Spoilt brats like that should be spanked and sent to the backyard to do chores. > neighbors from painting their houses in colors we don't like. The list > goes on and on. Really where is this a rule? I live in the real world or house is a nice pub mustard yellow with a brown trim (though I'm politicing the wife to go with a lighter shade of brown) > I think the issue is not whether loud pipes are obnoxious, but whether > they are annoying enough to really get up in arms about. That probably > depends on the pipes, the rider, the location, and the time. Is it? Loud is loud no matter what time of day. I've spent most of my life driving diesels with out mufflers or baffles and as least one only had about 12" of exhaust stack from the turbo. I'm not digging at you just pointing out that loud is relative. I can't tell you what obnoxiouly loud is but I damn sure know it when I hear it. > I tend to err on the side of letting people do what they want, but there > are some people who are just a.sholes. Sometimes you need to give them a > bit of a whack on the forehead to get them to pay attention. Why? It wont do a bit of good. Trust me I've been doing it for years...they just look at you like spotlighted deer and ask "what'd I do?" -- Keith Give up, drink heavy and oil your guns. >On May 26, 6:39 am, "Kenneth P. Turvey" <kt-use...@squeakydolphin.com> >wrote: >> We have gotten pretty intolerant as a society. We don't let our >> neighbors smoke. We live in neighborhoods that allow us to prevent our >> neighbors from painting their houses in colors we don't like. The list >> goes on and on. > >Really where is this a rule? Rancho Santa Fe http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rancho_Santa_Fe,_California "An Art Jury, a non-governmental organization, has the power to approve or disapprove of any exterior alteration to any building, fence, sidewalk (although no sidewalks exist outside of the downtown area), or other structure." Even though, "very few homes are visible from the road." SignatureTurby the Turbosurfer On Tue, 27 May 2008 10:00:15 -0700 (PDT), "S'mee" <stevenkeith2@hotmail.com> wrote: >On May 26, 6:39 am, "Kenneth P. Turvey" <kt-use...@squeakydolphin.com> >wrote: >> We have gotten pretty intolerant as a society. We don't let our >> neighbors smoke. We live in neighborhoods that allow us to prevent >> our neighbors from painting their houses in colors we don't like. The >> list goes on and on. > >Really where is this a rule? The home I'm posting from right now (not my own) requires neighborhood approval of the color if you wish to change the color of the home. There are quite a few other rules that are of a similar stripe. I rented a home about 10 years ago where it was illegal to park a pickup truck on the street overnight. There weren't any driveways on our street so you were forced to rent a parking place if you owned a pickup truck. SignatureKenneth P. Turvey <kt-usenet@squeakydolphin.com> http://www.electricsenator.net A computer lets you make more mistakes faster than any invention in human history with the possible exceptions of handguns and tequila. -- Mitch Ratliffe, Technology Review, April, 1992 On 28 May 2008, Kenneth P. Turvey wrote in news:483d1499$0$2963$ec3e2dad@news.usenetmonster.com > On Tue, 27 May 2008 10:00:15 -0700 (PDT), "S'mee" > <stevenkeith2@hotmail.com> wrote: [quoted text clipped - 18 lines] > on our street so you were forced to rent a parking place if you > owned a pickup truck. I would make a distinction between oppressive government regulation and neighborhood covenants. Covenants are decided by the people in the neighborhood themselves and the homes are voluntarily bound to them by the owner at the time. I'm a big believer in tolerance and getting the government off our backs, but take it to the extreme and you have anarchy. SignatureLew > I would make a distinction between oppressive government regulation > and neighborhood covenants. Covenants are decided by the people in > the neighborhood themselves and the homes are voluntarily bound to > them by the owner at the time. Maybe the covenants are voluntary where you are, but there are many communities where you simply can't buy a house without agreeing to a lot of silliness. Besides, I just brought this up as an example of how intolerant our society has become. Loud pipes may be annoying, but maybe we should think to ourselves when we find something annoying, "Is this really worth getting upset about?" Most of the time the answer is "no". > I'm a big believer in tolerance and getting the government off our > backs, but take it to the extreme and you have anarchy. A bit more Anarchy would be a good thing if you ask me. In fact, I have absolutely no fear that things will ever get to the point in my life that leaning toward anarchy would be a bad thing. SignatureKenneth P. Turvey <kt-usenet@squeakydolphin.com> http://www.electricsenator.net Idiotic but humorous George W. Bush quote elided due to the author's inability to select one from the vast number of them available. > Maybe the covenants are voluntary where you are, but there are many > communities where you simply can't buy a house without agreeing to a lot > of silliness. That's the very definition of voluntary. Don't buy them if you don't like the rules. Spend your money on the free of restrictions homes. No one is forcing you to pay their mortgages. >> Maybe the covenants are voluntary where you are, but there are many >> communities where you simply can't buy a house without agreeing to a [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > like the rules. Spend your money on the free of restrictions homes. No > one is forcing you to pay their mortgages. I'll buy that it fits the definition of voluntary, but the fact that it is so prevalent for this to even be debatable does support my original assertion, that we have all become quite intolerant. It isn't just loud pipes. People think that it is OK to start raising a fuss whenever their neighbor annoys them in the smallest way. Then they scream for government intervention to prevent them from having to shoulder the burden of their neighbors freedom. SignatureKenneth P. Turvey <kt-usenet@squeakydolphin.com> http://www.electricsenator.net Do pediatricians play miniature golf on Wednesdays? >>> Maybe the covenants are voluntary where you are, but there are many >>> communities where you simply can't buy a house without agreeing to a [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] >is so prevalent for this to even be debatable does support my original >assertion, that we have all become quite intolerant. Another valid conclusion is that we have all become quite inconsiderate. >It isn't just loud pipes. People think that it is OK to start raising a >fuss whenever their neighbor annoys them in the smallest way. Then they >scream for government intervention to prevent them from having to >shoulder the burden of their neighbors freedom. Signature======================================================================== Michael Kesti | "And like, one and one don't make | two, one and one make one." mrkesti at hotmail dot com | - The Who, Bargain >>I'll buy that it fits the definition of voluntary, but the fact that it >>is so prevalent for this to even be debatable does support my original >>assertion, that we have all become quite intolerant. > > Another valid conclusion is that we have all become quite inconsiderate. If you think that painting your house a color your neighbor doesn't approve of is inconsiderate, then I guess we have. I personally find this kind of reasoning ridiculous. SignatureKenneth P. Turvey <kt-usenet@squeakydolphin.com> http://www.electricsenator.net There are more instances of the abridgment of the freedom of the people by gradual and silent encroachments of those in power than by violent and sudden usurpations. -- James Madison >> I would make a distinction between oppressive government regulation >> and neighborhood covenants. Covenants are decided by the people in [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] >communities where you simply can't buy a house without agreeing to a lot >of silliness. And it is your choice to buy there or not, thus it is voluntary. >Besides, I just brought this up as an example of how >intolerant our society has become. Loud pipes may be annoying, but maybe [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > >A bit more Anarchy would be a good thing if you ask me. No one asked you. If you wish to speak, you must fill out form X-27-TALK in triplicate, and submit it, along with a DNA sample, to the Department of Free Speech during normal business hours. We will either aprove or disapprove your request within 6 months. In fact, I have >absolutely no fear that things will ever get to the point in my life that >leaning toward anarchy would be a bad thing. SignatureClick here every day to feed an animal that needs you today !!! www.theanimalrescuesite.com/ Paul ( pjm @ pobox . com ) - remove spaces to email me 'Some days, it's just not worth chewing through the restraints.' 'With sufficient thrust, pigs fly just fine.' HVAC/R program for Palm PDA's Free demo online at www.pmilligan.net/palm/ Free 'People finder' program now at www.pmilligan.net/finder.htm On Wed, 28 May 2008 12:31:02 -0400, .p.jm wrote: > If you wish to speak, you must fill out form X-27-TALK in > triplicate, and submit it, along with a DNA sample, to the Department of > Free Speech during normal business hours. > > We will either aprove or disapprove your request within 6 > months. I'm still working on my request for permission to paint my house purple. SignatureKenneth P. Turvey <kt-usenet@squeakydolphin.com> http://www.electricsenator.net I find it rather easy to portray a businessman. Being bland, rather cruel and incompetent comes naturally to me. -- John Cleese >On Wed, 28 May 2008 12:31:02 -0400, .p.jm wrote: > [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > >I'm still working on my request for permission to paint my house purple. Different department. Please go to the end of line # 6 and wait your turn at the window. Sorry. And have a nice day ! SignatureClick here every day to feed an animal that needs you today !!! www.theanimalrescuesite.com/ Paul ( pjm @ pobox . com ) - remove spaces to email me 'Some days, it's just not worth chewing through the restraints.' 'With sufficient thrust, pigs fly just fine.' HVAC/R program for Palm PDA's Free demo online at www.pmilligan.net/palm/ Free 'People finder' program now at www.pmilligan.net/finder.htm On Wed, 28 May 2008 13:37:26 -0400, .p.jm wrote: > Different department. Please go to the end of line # 6 and wait > your turn at the window. Sorry. And have a nice day ! I have in the past noticed a marked discrepancy between these post office signs and the activities carried on beneath. But soft, let us see how Dame Fortune smiles upon my next postal adventure! Signature.. Chuck Rhode, Sheboygan, WI, USA .. 1979 Honda Goldwing GL1000 (Geraldine) .. Weather: http://LacusVeris.com/WX .. 58° — Wind S 7 mph >On Wed, 28 May 2008 13:37:26 -0400, .p.jm wrote: > [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] >office signs and the activities carried on beneath. But soft, let us >see how Dame Fortune smiles upon my next postal adventure! We're sorry, Window # 6 is now closed for the day. Please return tomorrow after 9:00 AM. SignatureClick here every day to feed an animal that needs you today !!! www.theanimalrescuesite.com/ Paul ( pjm @ pobox . com ) - remove spaces to email me 'Some days, it's just not worth chewing through the restraints.' 'With sufficient thrust, pigs fly just fine.' HVAC/R program for Palm PDA's Free demo online at www.pmilligan.net/palm/ Free 'People finder' program now at www.pmilligan.net/finder.htm On May 28, 10:51 am, "Kenneth P. Turvey" <kt- use...@squeakydolphin.com> wrote: > On Wed, 28 May 2008 12:31:02 -0400, .p.jm wrote: > > If you wish to speak, you must fill out form X-27-TALK in [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > > I'm still working on my request for permission to paint my house purple. Well if you aren't living in a facist enclave where your house is dictated to you along wiht your lawn. Paint away, I've seen some done in a nice lilac with brick red trim...no really it looked pretty nice. -- Keith > On 28 May 2008 14:58:47 GMT, "Kenneth P. Turvey" > [quoted text clipped - 30 lines] > We will either aprove or disapprove your request within 6 > months. BUT to be on the commitee to make these decisions YOU have to fill out a GSA ID-10-T form. Turn around on those is a bit long... On May 28, 2:15 am, "Kenneth P. Turvey" <kt-use...@squeakydolphin.com> wrote: > On Tue, 27 May 2008 10:00:15 -0700 (PDT), "S'mee" > [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] > truck on the street overnight. There weren't any driveways on our street > so you were forced to rent a parking place if you owned a pickup truck. Park in the yard. Then again I can not IMAGINE living with such restrictive covenants and laws. I just can't it's too fascist/ socialist for me. Controling people have no place in the world. -- Keith > On Tue, 27 May 2008 10:00:15 -0700 (PDT), "S'mee" > [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] > > Even though, "very few homes are visible from the road." Art just? So? Intellgent people ignore self important twits like that. I've yet to have a NGO make me do anything. paperpaperpaperetcetcetcyaddayaddayaddayadd now piss off and off they go. I also new of a person that messed with THEIR paper work and make it look like they've "manipulated the information"...he hated the morons in his gated community. -- Keith >> On Tue, 27 May 2008 10:00:15 -0700 (PDT), "S'mee" >> [quoted text clipped - 23 lines] >it look like they've "manipulated the information"...he hated the >morons in his gated community. I find it interesting. The people who live in RSF or the 17 Mile Drive are mostly very successful people, people who have achieved success because of their unique talents. It's a bit incongruous that they would voluntarily relinquish power over their own homes. Nobody who moves there is caught unaware, though. SignatureTurby the Turbosurfer > I find it interesting. The people who live in RSF or the 17 Mile Drive > are mostly very successful people, people who have achieved success > because of their unique talents. It's a bit incongruous that they > would voluntarily relinquish power over their own homes. Nobody who > moves there is caught unaware, though. Interestingly, I was talking to somebody who recently went through a knockdown dragout fight regarding views and covenants. It apparantly turned into some treecutting on the sneak and legal actions. Personally, I want to move to a community where everybody but me is subject to restrictive covenants. Going back to loud pipes for a moment, is there anything more stupid looking than some clown chugging away from a stopsign at 120 dB and 25 mph ? SNIP No thanks I wouldn't want to be king. > Going back to loud pipes for a moment, is there > anything more stupid looking than some clown > chugging away from a stopsign at 120 dB and > 25 mph ? Yes there is a whole gaggle of them. -- Keith > >> On Tue, 27 May 2008 10:00:15 -0700 (PDT), "S'mee" > >> [quoted text clipped - 29 lines] > would voluntarily relinquish power over their own homes. Nobody who > moves there is caught unaware, though. It's not just a matter of relinquishing power over your own home, it's having power over your neighbor's. Neighborhood covenants are intended to keep neighborhoods "nice" and prevent someone from building some monstrosity that's ugly to look at or will lower your property values. Given that land use is already governed by zoning for residential, commercial, industrial, agricultural, and so forth uses -- which prevents someone building a uranium-reprocessing plant next door to your house -- neighborhood covenants are not unreasonable. SignatureTimberwoof <me at timberwoof dot com> faq: http://www.timberwoof.com/motorcycle/faq.shtml > Given that land use is already governed by zoning for residential, > commercial, industrial, agricultural, and so forth uses -- which > prevents someone building a uranium-reprocessing plant next door to your > house -- neighborhood covenants are not unreasonable. To me they are. I've only purchased a single house and I made sure that I didn't have to agree to any covenants of any kind. I also not happy about the zoning laws, but then I'm in a minority. Why exactly can't I sell carpet out of my garage or fix computers in my basement? SignatureKenneth P. Turvey <kt-usenet@squeakydolphin.com> http://www.electricsenator.net The constitution, on this hypothesis, is a mere thing of wax in the hands of the Judiciary, which they may twist and shape into any form they please. -- Thomas Jefferson > Why exactly can't I sell carpet out of my garage or fix computers in my > basement? I expect the main reason for that in most neighborhoods is the likelihood of excessive traffic. Note that I didn't say I agreed with it, I'm just sayin... Signaturesjs >> Given that land use is already governed by zoning for residential, >> commercial, industrial, agricultural, and so forth uses -- which [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] >Why exactly can't I sell carpet out of my garage or fix computers in my >basement? A ) your garage is not carpeted, and B ) you don't have a basement. Just a wild guess ..... SignatureClick here every day to feed an animal that needs you today !!! www.theanimalrescuesite.com/ Paul ( pjm @ pobox . com ) - remove spaces to email me 'Some days, it's just not worth chewing through the restraints.' 'With sufficient thrust, pigs fly just fine.' HVAC/R program for Palm PDA's Free demo online at www.pmilligan.net/palm/ Free 'People finder' program now at www.pmilligan.net/finder.htm I've run straights before... but I have an excuse .. I was in my late teens/early 20s and did drugs.. Not sure about the Old Farts running straights.. I just wanted to add an experience... I'm at the Dunkin Donuts in Bangor, ME and there's about 10 Harleys across the Parking lot (mighta been a couple of Metric V-Twins but I don't think so)... All of them are running straights or pretty close to it... They decide to go for their usual 1/2 mile road trip through town and back... One of them starts reving his motor.. then another... then all of them... I'm not talking blipping here... just holding them close to wide open..just before hitting the rev limiter... This went on for at least 5 minutes straight... The biggest surprize was the cops didn't show up because if there was any within 2 square miles they would have heard it or that none of them blew a motor, ... This was about 6:00PM.. it was still light out... Now I'm not a prude and ran Harleys for years and have been to several MC rallys over the years... But this was thee most obnoxiuos display I have ever seen and was embarrassed to be on a Motorcycle there. They left and did their little loop through town.. making as much noise as possible and pulled back into DD... I choked down the rest of my hot coffee and saddled up for the 30 mile ride home. Maineac On May 28, 6:32 pm, Timberwoof <timberwoof.s...@infernosoft.com> wrote: > In article <rf7r34h0poqrk92dt5akrljf38b4mgq...@4ax.com>, > [quoted text clipped - 36 lines] > to keep neighborhoods "nice" and prevent someone from building some > monstrosity that's ugly to look at or will lower your property values. Funny that, you mean to say if I bought a vacant lot with plethora of houses around in the 4-6million range and I built a three story victorian house from original plans and the only updating was to bring it into code (while keeping those 12' ceilings) Had it painted exactly the way they used to paint them (explosion in paint factory not solid white stepford bitch look) You are saying that the neighbors would find it ugly? Inspite of the gardens? etc? What bunch of philistines! No wonder I dislike 90% of H. Sapiens. > Given that land use is already governed by zoning for residential, > commercial, industrial, agricultural, and so forth uses -- which > prevents someone building a uranium-reprocessing plant next door to your > house -- neighborhood covenants are not unreasonable. Why should your neghbor have the same power if not more than the government that is insane. -- Keith > On Wed, 28 May 2008 08:10:10 -0700 (PDT), "S'mee" > [quoted text clipped - 37 lines] > > - Show quoted text - How can you have freedom if you have no power over your own property. (felines notwithstanding) -- Keith >>A guy on the next street over just got a Sportster, either >>with straight pipes or no pipes, judging by the sound. When he pulls [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > >Oh wait. I don't ever do that. Then perhaps you don't have the kind of 'loud pipes' that guy does. Put it this way - he lives ~ 300 feet away from me, and my windows rattle when he revs it. That's too f.cking loud. >So why do people think everyone with louder-than-stock pipes should be >so sympathetic to their frustrations? They obviously never learned >people get tired of listening to those who bitch and whine because >they can't handle what no one else loses sleep over. A few dozen people getting woken up and being displeased about it is not 'bitching and whining'. Pipes that are loud enough to disturb the entire neighborhood are not 'a rider safety device'. >There will always be people like that. In a hundred years we might >have the most restrictive laws you ever imagined and, you know what? >I'll bet the same fraction of people will still be bitchin' and >whinin' just as loudly about something else anyway. 100 years from now, the only thing I'll be bitching about is the worms, if that much :-) >f.ck 'em if they can't take a joke. Let freedom ring. Quietly :-) BTW - speaking of 'freedom' - try publishing a cartoon in your country that shows Mohamed doing something non-islamic - sharing a beer with a hot nekid babe, for instance - , and see how much 'freedom' you have when your 'Civil Rights Panel' comes a'knockin. SignatureClick here every day to feed an animal that needs you today !!! www.theanimalrescuesite.com/ Paul ( pjm @ pobox . com ) - remove spaces to email me 'Some days, it's just not worth chewing through the restraints.' 'With sufficient thrust, pigs fly just fine.' HVAC/R program for Palm PDA's Free demo online at www.pmilligan.net/palm/ Free 'People finder' program now at www.pmilligan.net/finder.htm > A guy on the next street over just got a Sportster Instead of jealously whining about it on usenet, why not get even with the guy and buy a bike yourself? > >Are there ignorant dipsticks who sometimes ride around on ungodly loud > >Harleys? Yes, plenty of them. And God bless 'em, every single one, [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > Probably the most astute response I've read on this topic in a long > time, Tim. Thanks for at least bringing something new to this table. No, it's nothing new. It's merely the old argument that making noise is a fundamental liberty, wrapped up in the flag of patriotism. SignatureTimberwoof <me at timberwoof dot com> faq: http://www.timberwoof.com/motorcycle/faq.shtml > On Sun, 25 May 2008 17:20:50 -0700 (PDT), Tim Kreitz > <timkreitz@yahoo.com> wrote: > >> And God bless 'em, every single one, >>because what they do sounds like good old fashioned liberty to me. We >>could have a lot worse to complain about in this country, > Probably the most astute response I've read on this topic in a long > time, Tim. Thanks for at least bringing something new to this table. Astute....hardly. Sounds like a call for anarchy to me. So lets do away with ALL rules about living in a civilized manner. By your logic maybe it should be OK to pile your trash in the front yard, let weeds grow as tall as your house and prance around naked in public. Oops, there ARE some places like that........... ;-) And we already DO have WAY more important things to worry about. Most of us are just too stupid to know or care. >And God bless 'em, every single one, >because what they do sounds like good old fashioned liberty to me. Until someone else gets a painful blast in the ear, driving with their window down... >>And God bless 'em, every single one, >>because what they do sounds like good old fashioned liberty to me. > > Until someone else gets a painful blast in the ear, driving with > their window down... GAG cough. Never drive with your windows down. The exhaust from high polluting vehicles is just too much. I wear a f.cking mask when I ride on the freeway. Thumper >>>And God bless 'em, every single one, >>>because what they do sounds like good old fashioned liberty to me. [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] >polluting vehicles is just too much. I wear a f.cking mask when I ride on >the freeway. You should only wear those when f.cking. >Thumper SignatureClick here every day to feed an animal that needs you today !!! www.theanimalrescuesite.com/ Paul ( pjm @ pobox . com ) - remove spaces to email me 'Some days, it's just not worth chewing through the restraints.' 'With sufficient thrust, pigs fly just fine.' HVAC/R program for Palm PDA's Free demo online at www.pmilligan.net/palm/ Free 'People finder' program now at www.pmilligan.net/finder.htm |
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