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Motorcycle Forum / General / Motorcycles / September 2008A new book titled "MOTORCYCLE CANCER? Are motorcycles KILLING US with cancers of the prostate, colon, kidney, bone, etc."
http://articles.directorym.net/New_Book_Links_Motorcycle_Radiation_to_Cancer_Ris k-a878058.html "Chipkar wrote a book called MOTORCYCLE CANCER? Are motorcycles KILLING US with cancers of the prostate, colon, kidney, bone, etc? If the title sounds shocking, it is meant to be. By sharing his views, he hopes to generate worldwide attention to and awareness of his potentially devastating discovery." "I have met countless avid motorcycle riders diagnosed with similar forms of cancers and disorders. All of these riders had a type of extremely low frequency (ELF) electromagnetic field (EMF) radiation shooting up from their motorcycle seats. This does not establish proof by any means and further investigation is warranted," he adds." This is quite suspicious though: http://www.motorcyclecancer.com/ The links on page 2 reveal that historically, organizations claimed "inconclusive proof" concerning electromagnetic health issues. However, inconclusive proof does not mean that something is safe. Organizations need to reassess their position on EM health issues for public safety. Science proves electromagnetic danger. Now that a type of motorcycle ELF EMF has been exposed, I hope denial is not going to be considered as a solution. ------------------------------ Reminds me of the decades that the tobacco industry claimed there were NO health risks associated with smoking. It also reminds me of the LIES of the Nuclear Power industry that no one was ever killed by reactors in the USA. And it reminds me of the lies in the Warren Commission Report. The monied interests always claim innocence. They get away with murder when the proof of their misdeeds isn't clear cut and well publicized. ======================== Classic Rider www.2wheelclassics.com ======================== > http://articles.directorym.net/New_Book_Links_Motorcycle_Radiation_to_Cancer_Ris k-a878058.html > [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > hopes to generate worldwide attention to and awareness of his > potentially devastating discovery." This is quite possibly the most unintentionally funny thing you've posted to date, and that's saying something. Where, oh great font of all wisdom, might the "ELF EMF" that is supposedly "shooting up from [our] motorcycle seats" come from? What is its magnitude? What frequencies are involved? What, for that matter, do you think the difference is between "correlation" and "causation"? Are you REALLY this ignorant and gullible? No, don't bother answering that - you've already more than amply demonstrated the answer. Bob M. > This is quite possibly the most unintentionally funny > thing you've posted to date, and that's saying something. Isn't it, just? He's completely flipped, like that other dumbulb, er, um, oh, what was his name? The one with a fetish for Yamaha TW200s. Anyway, expect a slew of similar postings any time now. Be sure to wear your tinfoil hat.  SignatureBMW K1100LT Ducati 750SS Yamaha XT600E Honda CB400F chateau dot murray at idnet dot com "What you're proposing to do will involve a lot of time and hassle for no tangible benefit." On Sep 3, 1:50 pm, totallydeadmail...@yahoo.co.uk (The Older Gentleman) wrote: > > This is quite possibly the most unintentionally funny > > thing you've posted to date, and that's saying something. [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > Anyway, expect a slew of similar postings any time now. Be sure to wear > your tinfoil hat. If the ELF/EMF radiation is shooting up from the seat, attacking the prostate, colon, kidneys, bone etc. shouldn't it be tinfoil shorts rather than a hat ? > If the ELF/EMF radiation is shooting up from the seat, > attacking the prostate, colon, kidneys, bone etc. > shouldn't it be tinfoil shorts rather than a hat ? Marlon Brando as Colonel Kurtz in "Apocalypse Now": "The chafing....the chafing...." >On Sep 3, 1:50 pm, totallydeadmail...@yahoo.co.uk (The Older >Gentleman) wrote: [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] >attacking the prostate, colon, kidneys, bone etc. >shouldn't it be tinfoil shorts rather than a hat ? If you had any knowledge at all, you'd know by now that the aluminum beany hats have been proven to ENHANCE the reception of radio and have no effect whatever on emr. Blocking EMR is actually pretty difficult. I once built a COPPER line room so a customer could run a PC in a Steel Factory. They needed to use the PC within about 100 feet of an electric Steel furnace. The PC was only about $12K. The copper lined room (I forget how much it was) was far more. The highest energy levels of EMR, as I recall from about 40 years ago, are cosmic rays. These penetrate every hardened bunker that has ever been developed. They are also the reason that Apollo mission doubters claim no missions were ever flown. They believe that the EMR of Cosmic Rays will FRY anyone who leaves the protection of Earth's Clark Belts. ======================== Classic Rider www.2wheelclassics.com ======================== On Sep 4, 4:26 pm, Classic Rider <ClassicRi...@2wheelclassics.com> wrote: > On Wed, 3 Sep 2008 16:45:21 -0700 (PDT), Rob Kleinschmidt > >If the ELF/EMF radiation is shooting up from the seat, > >attacking the prostate, colon, kidneys, bone etc. [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > I once built a COPPER line room so a customer could run a PC in a > Steel Factory. So you're recommending copper foil shorts then ? >On Sep 4, 4:26 pm, Classic Rider <ClassicRi...@2wheelclassics.com> >wrote: [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > >So you're recommending copper foil shorts then ? No, I don't care if anyone destroys their gonads. What I want to see is a responsible agency that is not being paid off to do research to prove if there is a risk or not. It doesn't affect me. I don't want or need any more children. However, judging from some of the incredible levels of boorishnish, malice and failures of comprehension I am now wondering if it's the brains of some of these people that are being fried. ======================== Classic Rider www.2wheelclassics.com ======================== On Sep 5, 1:41 pm, Classic Rider <ClassicRi...@2wheelclassics.com> wrote: What a load of uninformed ill thought sh.t. SNIP > However, judging from some of the incredible levels of boorishnish, > malice and failures of comprehension I am now wondering if it's the > brains of some of these people that are being fried. Only yours, only yours...you also show a glaring lack of critical thinking skills. Not surprising with the american education skills. -- Keith We were somewhere around Barstow, on the edge of the desert, when the drugs began to take hold. I remember Classic Rider <ClassicRider@2wheelclassics.com> saying something like: >The highest energy levels of EMR, as I recall from about 40 years ago, >are cosmic rays. These penetrate every hardened bunker that has ever >been developed. They are also the reason that Apollo mission doubters >claim no missions were ever flown. They believe that the EMR of >Cosmic Rays will FRY anyone who leaves the protection of Earth's Clark >Belts. I see you're not espousing it, but why bother even mentioning such bollocks if you want to hang on to the slightest shred of credibility? Otoh, I know it's a lost cause, so carry on. SignatureDave >>The highest energy levels of EMR, as I recall from about 40 years ago, >>are cosmic rays. These penetrate every hardened bunker that has ever >>been developed. They are also the reason that Apollo mission doubters >>claim no missions were ever flown. They believe that the EMR of >>Cosmic Rays will FRY anyone who leaves the protection of Earth's Clark >>Belts. >I see you're not espousing it, but why bother even mentioning such >bollocks if you want to hang on to the slightest shred of credibility? An intelligent person is aware of all relevant information, even that which is not true or is marginally believable. I've tracked a few issues like this over decades to find that the suspicions of the first person to start shouting for an examination was right. Unlike so many of the "head in the sand" types I prefer to take the approach that until proven otherwise, all potential risks should be investigated. Since I have had several of my family seriously injured by EMR and damaged by x-rays if there is a risk to children or to young riders it should be determined and STOPPED if found to be real. Those who fail to take this approach lack humanity. ======================== Classic Rider www.2wheelclassics.com ======================== > An intelligent person is aware of all relevant information, even that > which is not true or is marginally believable. And the truly intelligent person - as opposed to one who merely claims to be - knows how to tell the difference. So sorry you've fallen short there. > Those who fail to take this approach lack humanity. And apparently, at least one who takes it lacks sense. Bob M. > If you had any knowledge at all, you'd know by now that the aluminum > beany hats have been proven to ENHANCE the reception of radio and have > no effect whatever on emr. Blocking EMR is actually pretty difficult. Ah, the voice of experience. At least about the tinfoil beanies... > The highest energy levels of EMR, as I recall from about 40 years ago, > are cosmic rays. These penetrate every hardened bunker that has ever > been developed. They are also the reason that Apollo mission doubters > claim no missions were ever flown. They believe that the EMR of > Cosmic Rays will FRY anyone who leaves the protection of Earth's Clark > Belts. Could you possibly mean the van Allen Belts? The only Clark Belts I've heard of are those holding up Superman's pants. Bob M. We were somewhere around Barstow, on the edge of the desert, when the drugs began to take hold. I remember "Bob Myers" <nospamplease@address.invalid> saying something like: >> Cosmic Rays will FRY anyone who leaves the protection of Earth's Clark >> Belts. > >Could you possibly mean the van Allen Belts? Of course he does. That's what happens if someone scans a Microsoft Encyclopedia CD in 1997 and poorly recalls the information a decade later. >The only Clark Belts I've heard of are those holding up >Superman's pants. The "Clarke Belt" was the name given to the geostationary orbit region, after Arthur C. Clarke wrote about it, long before it became a reality. SignatureDave On Sep 6, 5:08 am, Grimly Curmudgeon <grimly4REM...@REMOVEgmail.com> wrote: > The "Clarke Belt" was the name given to the geostationary orbit region, > after Arthur C. Clarke wrote about it, long before it became a reality. Well, no, we know what you mean, but it was always a "reality" because the geostationary orbital region had always been there. It's just that it's use wasn't a realistic *possibility* until we developed rockets with enough throw weight capacity to put communications satellites in high geostationary orbits. That's why the US Patent Office refused to grant Clarke a patent on his idea when he first thought it up. You can't patent something that can't be done. > On Sep 6, 5:08 am, Grimly Curmudgeon <grimly4REM...@REMOVEgmail.com> > wrote: [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > > You can't patent something that can't be done. Can't is a PHD's way of saying he isn't smart enough to do something. ;^) Can't doesn't exist... "I don't have a clue HOW to do it" otoh is a more realistic response. p.s. I've proven that at least once...I got married and stayed married. -- Keith > > You can't patent something that can't be done. > > Can't is a PHD's way of saying he isn't smart enough to do > something. ;^) No, "can't" in the way the Patent Office used it simply meant that there was no existing physical way to accomplish the idea that was being submitted for a Patent. (Nor was there any general expectation at the time (1945) that man would have a presence in space within the next several decades. That sort of thing was considered pure science- fiction-double-feature dreck by all but a few um, "liberated", Nazi rocket scientists.) So the Patent Office never said "it *can't* be done" in the sense that they meant they thought it was an impossibility such as a perpetual motion machine (which you also can't Patent.): after all, anyone with a basic understanding of ballistics could see that his concept was perfectly valid. What they said was, "It can't be done *here-and-now or by any means available in the forseeable future*", and since Clarke couldn't show the tools to orbit such a satellite, or even any non- speculative evidence that they would exist at some point in the future, his Patent application was denied. Seems unfair, but that's how the rules work. > > > You can't patent something that can't be done. > [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > fiction-double-feature dreck by all but a few um, "liberated", Nazi > rocket scientists.) OFFS it was possible in the early 50's. It just wasn't as safe as the late 50's. > So the Patent Office never said "it *can't* be done" in the sense that > they meant they thought it was an impossibility such as a perpetual [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > speculative evidence that they would exist at some point in the > future, his Patent application was denied. But it was doable. Again c.nts saying it can't be done...then some guys go and do it. > Seems unfair, but that's how the rules work. Rules? Those are for how we treat each other...not for getting things done. -- Keith > OFFS it was possible in the early 50's. It just wasn't as safe as the > late 50's. Even had it been possible in the early '50's, what part of "1945" -a decade earlier- didn't you understand? Besides which, it turns out that the concept had been decribed as early as the 1920s by at least two German rocket scientists, which would count as "prior art" and would have been grounds for denying Clarke a patent anyway...just as Clarke's own proposal was cited as "prior art" when others tried to patent the concept later on. > But it was doable. Again c.nts saying it can't be done...then some > guys go and do it. Nobody at the Patent Office ever said "it can't be done". In fact, they knew it *could*. And in fact it *was* done just as soon as the relevant hardware became available. In 1963. We were somewhere around Barstow, on the edge of the desert, when the drugs began to take hold. I remember Twibil <jose.noway6@gmail.com> saying something like: >> The "Clarke Belt" was the name given to the geostationary orbit region, >> after Arthur C. Clarke wrote about it, long before it became a reality. > >Well, no, we know what you mean, but it was always a "reality" because >the geostationary orbital region had always been there. I have a couple of hairs here - do you want to split them or just shove them up your arse? SignatureDave On Sep 8, 3:02 pm, Grimly Curmudgeon <grimly4REM...@REMOVEgmail.com> wrote: > We were somewhere around Barstow, on the edge of the desert, when the > drugs began to take hold. I remember Twibil <jose.now...@gmail.com> [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > I have a couple of hairs here - do you want to split them or just shove > them up your arse? No worse than having someone tell you that you can't weld cast steel with an oxy/actelyne rig. It is doable and ime fairly easy, even when out of practice. That six pack he owed me tasted real good. -- Keith On Sep 8, 2:02 pm, Grimly Curmudgeon <grimly4REM...@REMOVEgmail.com> wrote: > I have a couple of hairs here - do you want to split them or just shove > them up your arse? Ah, verily a soft answer turneth away wrath, so go f.ck yourself with a chainsaw. Sideways. > On Sep 8, 2:02 pm, Grimly Curmudgeon <grimly4REM...@REMOVEgmail.com> > wrote: [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > > Sideways. Well he had a point no sense in getting hostile you senile old coot. On Sep 8, 2:02 pm, Grimly Curmudgeon <grimly4REM...@REMOVEgmail.com> wrote: >> I have a couple of hairs here - do you want to split them or just shove >> them up your arse? > Ah, verily a soft answer turneth away wrath, so go f.ck yourself with > a chainsaw. > > Sideways. Have you considered writing for Hallmark? I would definitely buy that card... Bob M. > > Ah, verily a soft answer turneth away wrath, so go f.ck yourself with > > a chainsaw. [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > Have you considered writing for Hallmark? I would > definitely buy that card... Hm. You family's holiday celebrations must resemble ours... > >http://articles.directorym.net/New_Book_Links_Motorcycle_Radiation_to... > [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > seats" come from? What is its magnitude? What frequencies > are involved? To be fair, there definitely is so low frequency crap being emitted presumably from the spark plug conductors. Try and operate an unshielded AM radio on a bike sometime and you'll get my point. Hell, my last Zumo 550 picked up enough interference when I cranked the throttle that it blew the right channel out. I returned it under warranty and while this one also distorts a bit when I wick it up, it isn't nearly as bad as the other one. Thus far both channels have remained operational on the new one. In article <cc84c0ce-f3fd-434a-b77b-78ef11b00f6e@s9g2000prg.googlegroups.com>, > > >http://articles.directorym.net/New_Book_Links_Motorcycle_Radiation_to... > > [quoted text clipped - 20 lines] > isn't nearly as bad as the other one. Thus far both channels have > remained operational on the new one. There are two potential sources of noise whose frequency depends on the engine speed. Ignition noise sounds like a crackling; alternator noise is a whine or whistle. It's not clear, however, how that noise got into your AM radio. It could get in through the antenna and then be detected by the AM circuits. It could also be getting in through the +12V supply. In either case, an appropriate choke will fix the problem. Radio Shack (used to, anyway) sells that kind of stuff. SignatureTimberwoof <me at timberwoof dot com> faq: http://www.timberwoof.com/motorcycle/faq.shtml > In article > <cc84c0ce-f3fd-434a-b77b-78ef11b00...@s9g2000prg.googlegroups.com>, [quoted text clipped - 35 lines] > In either case, an appropriate choke will fix the problem. Radio Shack > (used to, anyway) sells that kind of stuff. I haven't done that for years. Like I said, now I have a satellite radio though my Zumo GPS and it's even getting into that and screwing it up! > In either case, an appropriate choke will fix the problem. It occurs to me that an appropriate choke would fix ClassicRider's problem, and thereby ours, as well. But there'd be a lotta paperwork involved, and piles of useless crud that big are so hard to dispose of... >Radio Shack > (used to, anyway) sells that kind of stuff. "Used to" is right. Component-wise, RS is but a pale shadow of its former self; they'd much rather sell you cell phone accessories and TV sets. I asked for a PL-259 at the local Shack this past weekend, and got the now-all-too-typical deer-in-the-headlights look from the salesdroid. Bob M. > > In either case, an appropriate choke will fix the problem. > [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > the now-all-too-typical deer-in-the-headlights look > from the salesdroid. Sigh. Well, there is hope: Digi-Key sells the stuff we need. SignatureTimberwoof <me at timberwoof dot com> faq: http://www.timberwoof.com/motorcycle/faq.shtml > Sigh. Well, there is hope: Digi-Key sells the stuff we need. Yeah, but I do miss the days of simply being able to pull in at the local Radio Shack on a moment's notice, and pick up a left-handed thurmitron or a biphase gonkulator when one was needed on short notice. Ordering online or by mail just ain't the same thing... Bob M. >> In either case, an appropriate choke will fix the problem. > >It occurs to me that an appropriate choke would fix >ClassicRider's problem, and thereby ours, as well. It would but elminating the ignorant isn't my goal. The goal is to teach morality to the depraved and educate the abysmally ignorant, such as yourself. Regardless of what you claim, you are learning. ======================== Classic Rider www.2wheelclassics.com ======================== > Regardless of what you claim, you are learning. Oh, absolutely; each and every day, it seems, I learn what an absolute waste of oxygen you are. Bob M. > > Regardless of what you claim, you are learning. > > Oh, absolutely; each and every day, it seems, I > learn what an absolute waste of oxygen you are. > > Bob M. Thanks, saved me the effort of typing so I could finish dinner. -- Keith On Sep 4, 6:35 pm, Classic Rider <ClassicRi...@2wheelclassics.com> wrote: > The goal is to > teach morality to the depraved and educate the abysmally ignorant, > such as yourself. Oh really? So you are going to teach morality to religious people? Because the last a.shole that tried to teach me morality ended up with a dislocated shoulder, torn ham strin...think he slipped a disk to. Last time a damn christian tries to teach me morality before a wrestling match. Bunch of immoral unethical c.nts. Oh and news flash pudknocker...everybody is abysmally ignorant. Thought you ought to know that. -- Keith >There are two potential sources of noise whose frequency depends on the >engine speed. Ignition noise sounds like a crackling; alternator noise [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] >In either case, an appropriate choke will fix the problem. Radio Shack >(used to, anyway) sells that kind of stuff. I was NEVER able to eliminate alternator whine using choke coils when I was running CB radios. I find choke coils do an excellent job of destroying a modems connection if used on ethernet or on telephone wire. Considering that ignition noise is often picked up in other vehicles many yards away in distance does illustrate that the level of radio emitted is significant. It's also clear that the sheet metal of the body, hood, and grill as well as the engine itself doesn't do much to stop that radiation. ======================== Classic Rider www.2wheelclassics.com ======================== \> I was NEVER able to eliminate alternator whine using choke coils when > I was running CB radios. I find choke coils do an excellent job of > destroying a modems connection if used on ethernet or on telephone > wire. This is what happens when you play with things you don't understand. > Considering that ignition noise is often picked up in other vehicles > many yards away in distance does illustrate that the level of radio > emitted is significant. It's also clear that the sheet metal of the > body, hood, and grill as well as the engine itself doesn't do much to > stop that radiation. Of course it doesn't; in the case of such remote sources, the noise is entering through the antenna of the radio, which clearly ISN'T going to be shielded from anything. But that's a completely different problem than the pickup of ignition noise coming from your own vehicle, which more often than not is actually coming in via the power connections. By the way - re your "the level of radio emitted is significant" comment - just how much in-band EMI needs to be picked up to be heard as noise on the radio? How much power would be required at the source to cause that sort of problem? Since you're a self-proclaimed expert in the field, you should have no problem with these questions. Bob M. > This is what happens when you play with things you don't > understand. Like TinkerToy sets..... SignatureBMW K1100LT Ducati 750SS Yamaha XT600E Honda CB400F chateau dot murray at idnet dot com "What you're proposing to do will involve a lot of time and hassle for no tangible benefit." > > "Classic Rider" <ClassicRi...@2wheelclassics.com> wrote in message > [quoted text clipped - 26 lines] > > - Show quoted text - Really? I've never had that problem. Then again I figure AM is dead anyway so I listen to either FM or a put a tape in the walkman. WHAT? -- Keith > > > "Classic Rider" <ClassicRi...@2wheelclassics.com> wrote in message > [quoted text clipped - 29 lines] > Really? I've never had that problem. Then again I figure AM is dead > anyway so I listen to either FM or a put a tape in the walkman. WHAT? AM is a lot more susceptible to noise, hence the reason all the music is broadcast on FM and all the loudmouths yack on AM. One can hardly differentiate the lies of the right wing blow hards from white noise. >> http://articles.directorym.net/New_Book_Links_Motorcycle_Radiation_to_Cancer_Ris k-a878058.html >> [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > are involved? What, for that matter, do you think the > difference is between "correlation" and "causation"? Bob, I don't think you understand the gravity and nature of the issue. The ELF EMF sources involved aren't subject to normal laws like Maxwell's equations, conservation of energy, etc. You are insulting the author by suggesting that he should: a)Identify the source of the radiation on a typical motorcycle. b)Measure the frequencies. c)Measure the signal strength or power. d)Use accepted scientific or statistical methods. I find your requirement for credible discussion disturbing. Truly disturbing. Dave. > The > ELF EMF sources involved aren't subject to normal laws like Maxwell's > equations, conservation of energy, etc. Oh! ELF EMF. I thought he was writing about elf unf unf unf. Silly me. SignatureTimberwoof <me at timberwoof dot com> faq: http://www.timberwoof.com/motorcycle/faq.shtml >> The >> ELF EMF sources involved aren't subject to normal laws like Maxwell's >> equations, conservation of energy, etc. > > Oh! ELF EMF. I thought he was writing about elf unf unf unf. Silly me. Yeah, you know: ELF EMF. The emissions you pick up from Santa's workshop... Bob M. > Yeah, you know: ELF EMF. The emissions you pick up > from Santa's workshop... <G> SignatureBMW K1100LT Ducati 750SS Yamaha XT600E Honda CB400F chateau dot murray at idnet dot com "What you're proposing to do will involve a lot of time and hassle for no tangible benefit." > >> The > >> ELF EMF sources involved aren't subject to normal laws like Maxwell's [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > Yeah, you know: ELF EMF. The emissions you pick up > from Santa's workshop... I do NOT work in Santa's workshop! What are you, prejudiced or something? }: ) ;-) SignatureTimberwoof <me at timberwoof dot com> faq: http://www.timberwoof.com/motorcycle/faq.shtml > > In article <wYSdnTNjTfwZtyLVnZ2dnUVZ_gGdn...@giganews.com>, > [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > Yeah, you know: ELF EMF. The emissions you pick up > from Santa's workshop... Yep condoms can't stop that nasty ELF EMF. I think they renamed it Atomic Annies (airmen ask about our special) -- keith > >>http://articles.directorym.net/New_Book_Links_Motorcycle_Radiation_to... > [quoted text clipped - 32 lines] > > - Show quoted text - <golf clap> Well played sir, well played. Best sarcasm on reeky in an hour or two. --- Keith ><golf clap> Well played sir, well played. Best sarcasm on reeky in an >hour or two. I don't object to the author's premise. Once in a while I've wondered how much my ignition coils and so on radiate up into my body. But I noticed that the info on the web did not identify the frequencies or the sources of the ELF EMF. That seemed odd. The claim was made that nothing will effectively stop the radiation, but I'm not seeing how a cycle ignition system is much different than an automobile. The claims just don't make sense without more information. One issue that was interesting, however, was the claimed proximity of the prostate gland to the motorcycle seat. I'm not a doctor or a surgeon and I don't know too much, but I think the prostate has at least an inch of tissue protecting it: http://www.cancerbackup.org.uk/Cancertype/Prostate/General/Theprostate/5625/thum bimage_view_description I think the male genitals are closer to the seat and have less protection. So, why does the radiation single out the prostate gland? Seemed very dubious. But any discussion would have to start with characterizing the radiation and the source ... Dave. \> I don't object to the author's premise. Once in a while I've wondered how > much my ignition coils and so on radiate up into my body. Your body has ignition coils? > But I noticed that the info on the web did not identify the frequencies > or the sources of the ELF EMF. That seemed odd. The claim was made that > nothing will effectively stop the radiation, but I'm not seeing how a > cycle ignition system is much different than an automobile. Oh, but as you yourself noted earlier, this is SPECIAL radiation, not subject to the laws of even Star Trek physics. NOTHING can stop it! NOTHING, I tell you! You are all DOOOOOMED!!!! BWAHHHHHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!!!!!!!! > But any discussion would have to start with characterizing the radiation > and the source ... Quite obviously, the radiation is primarily transmogrified N-rays, emitting from the hyperspatial end of of the transverse framistat coils, operating on a subspace channel of 6.385 kiloJeffries. Good God, man, don't you keep up with the literature? Bob M. > \> I don't object to the author's premise. Once in a while I've wondered > how [quoted text clipped - 22 lines] > > Good God, man, don't you keep up with the literature? You miss qouted those numbers a bit. It was 6.3835z9pluralz. I wont say how, I have my sources. -- Keith > ><golf clap> Well played sir, well played. Best sarcasm on reeky in an > >hour or two. [quoted text clipped - 22 lines] > But any discussion would have to start with characterizing the radiation and > the source ... For one thing, motorcycle electrics are a lot closer to our dangly bits than the corresponding car electrics, but assigning causation is still dubious. For another thing, bicycle seats have been known to cause impotence in men, so they got redesigned, and it's hard to find a bicycle these days without a depression in the middle for the perineum. But that hasn't been shown to be a problem on motorcycles, which have much wider seats. SignatureTimberwoof <me at timberwoof dot com> faq: http://www.timberwoof.com/motorcycle/faq.shtml > For one thing, motorcycle electrics are a lot closer to our dangly bits > than the corresponding car electrics, but assigning causation is still [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > But that hasn't been shown to be a problem on motorcycles, which have > much wider seats. I thought that was because, in general, motorcyclists had much wider seats....;-) Bob M. > Bob, I don't think you understand the gravity and nature of the issue. > The ELF EMF sources involved aren't subject to normal laws like Maxwell's [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > I find your requirement for credible discussion disturbing. Truly > disturbing. You're right. I'm sorry. I don't know what I could possibly have been thinking, trying to inject even the slightest bit of rationality into a Reeky discussion, esp. one involving CR. I now go to hang my head in abject shame, and to fart in my own general direction. Bob M. >> Bob, I don't think you understand the gravity and nature of the issue. >> The ELF EMF sources involved aren't subject to normal laws like Maxwell's [quoted text clipped - 17 lines] > one involving CR. I now go to hang my head in > abject shame, and to fart in my own general direction. In all seriousness, Bob, I'd be very receptive to the information if it was simply indicated where the radiation is coming from and what frequencies and signal strengths are involved. My experience is also that it is fairly hard to create medical risk due to EMF with equipment not specifically designed to create EMF (radio transmitters, Xray machines, microwave ovens, etc.). Ignition systems and fuel injectors opening and closing do generate fields and waves, at nearly all frequencies, but the power levels tend to be just too low. It is usually hard to generate harmful radiation accidentally. > In all seriousness, Bob, I'd be very receptive to the information if it > was simply indicated where the radiation is coming from and what > frequencies and signal strengths are involved. Same here - but they won't give out THAT information. because it would simply work against the accompanying request for a plausible physical mechanism regarding the supposed "risk." CR clearly doesn't understand in the slightest how EM radation COULD possibly interact with tissues, nor the difference between typical low-level EM emissions and that class known as "ionizing" radiation, but that won't stop him from waving the "RISK! RISK!" flag for no good reason. > My experience is also that it is fairly hard to create medical risk due to > EMF with equipment not specifically designed to create EMF (radio > transmitters, Xray machines, microwave ovens, etc.). Ignition systems and > fuel injectors opening and closing do generate fields and waves, at nearly > all frequencies, but the power levels tend to be just too low. It is > usually hard to generate harmful radiation accidentally. Absolutely. But then, we've also seen no distinction made by CR between EM radiation and simple electric or magnetic fields, or the generators of these, or the expected field strengths, or...well, the list goes on and on. If we really wanted to get him nervous, I suppose we could always try describing the output of, say, a 60W light bulb in radiometric terms...;-) Bob M. >> http://articles.directorym.net/New_Book_Links_Motorcycle_Radiation_to_Cancer_Ris k-a878058.html >> [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] >This is quite possibly the most unintentionally funny >thing you've posted to date, and that's saying something. I thought it was very funny, though the authori might not think so. He's either trying to make a quick buck from scare mongering or may in fact seriously believe what he claims. >Where, oh great font of all wisdom, might the "ELF EMF" >that is supposedly "shooting up from [our] motorcycle >seats" come from? What is its magnitude? What frequencies >are involved? What, for that matter, do you think the >difference is between "correlation" and "causation"? Good questions. I suspect having capacitor discharge ignition with firing voltages that exceed 80,000 volts may have something to do with this. The coil on other systems would be an obvious source of emf. As noted elsewhere low level emf is now being seen as a carcinogen. >Are you REALLY this ignorant and gullible? No, don't >bother answering that - you've already more than amply >demonstrated the answer. Since you have problems witih reading comprehension you'll never understand how incorrect your opinions are. Your ignorance is easy to understand (after all you are in a group full of cretins who can't even stay on topic or understand context). But your malice towards children and others who might be injured cannot be forgiven. You're attitude is tantamount to being a egoist and a murderer. ======================== Classic Rider www.2wheelclassics.com ======================== >>Where, oh great font of all wisdom, might the "ELF EMF" >>that is supposedly "shooting up from [our] motorcycle [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > firing voltages that exceed 80,000 volts may have something to do with > this. The coil on other systems would be an obvious source of emf. If they're good questions - and I agree that they are - then why don't you take a crack at answering them if you're so concerned and knowledgeable re this subject? By the way - why don't you start by telling us just what "emf" IS, and why you are concerned about it. > As noted elsewhere low level emf is now being seen as a carcinogen. What exactly is "low level emf?" Characterize it. Tell us the specific field strengths and frequencies of concern, and why each is an issue. You claim to have knowledge in this field - please demonstrate that this is actually so. > Since you have problems witih reading comprehension you'll never > understand how incorrect your opinions are. Your ignorance is easy to > understand (after all you are in a group full of cretins who can't > even stay on topic or understand context). But your malice towards > children and others who might be injured cannot be forgiven. Yes, my opinions are clearly incorrect; that's why I was paid to work on EMI/ELF qualification and design for so many years. How much of that work did you say you'd done, by the way? Bob M. On Sep 3, 1:40 pm, Classic Rider <ClassicRi...@2wheelclassics.com> wrote: > http://articles.directorym.net/New_Book_Links_Motorcycle_Radiation_to... > [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > hopes to generate worldwide attention to and awareness of his > potentially devastating discovery." <snip> Heh, heh. You're just sooo frickin' weird. On Sep 3, 1:40 pm, Classic Rider <ClassicRi...@2wheelclassics.com> wrote: It is tin foil hat crap. Pure and simple. How could I know this. 30 years of research...disguised as riding becuase I can. That would include motorcycles from the 60's, 70's, 80' and 90's. Though I will be riding something from the 2000's soon. On a side note the ONLY motorcycle I didn't enjoy riding was a RD400 (my 72' T-500 had better brakes) -- keith > On Sep 3, 1:40 pm, Classic Rider <ClassicRi...@2wheelclassics.com> > wrote: [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > include motorcycles from the 60's, 70's, 80' and 90's. Though I will > be riding something from the 2000's soon. DONT DO IT!!! After Y2K they loaded all the motorsickles with wireless gizmos that zap yer nads! > > On Sep 3, 1:40 pm, Classic Rider <ClassicRi...@2wheelclassics.com> > > wrote: [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > After Y2K they loaded all the motorsickles with wireless gizmos that > zap yer nads! Aftermarket discconnect. Void the warrenty but solves lots of problem...atractting strange women is much easier, blue balls are no longer a problem and it's much easier to say "sure lady I'd love to." -- Keith > All of these riders had a type of > extremely low frequency (ELF) electromagnetic field (EMF) radiation > shooting up from their motorcycle seats. To have any validity, that study needs to correlate other factors in riders' lifestyles that might also affect their cancer rate, namely everything else. To conclude that it's true because corporations lie isn't very scientific. If you're worried, then get some copper mesh. Attach it to the bottom of the seat pan and set up a system that connects that with a copper wire to the frame ground. That sets up an electrical shield between you and whatever EMF sources are under the seat -- starter motor, alternator, and ignition system. Don't worry about the gaps in the mesh: ELF las long wavelengths which don't get through. Anything longer than microwaves would not get through a 1/4" mesh. Oh, and if you want your tinfoil hat to work, you should ground it, too. It's more practical to just build a Faraday cage: line your room completely with grounded copper mesh. Take out all the drywall and flooring, then line the walls with the mesh. You should shield electrical boxes with RF-choke feedthroughs and use steel, not plastic boxes. Ground the copper mesh to the same ground as the boxes. *Every* cable that goes in or out of your Faraday cage must go through an RF choke so that only authorized signals can get in or out: 60Hz power, telephone, cable TV, and Ethernet. Put all the drywall and flooring back, paint, decorate as usual. No tinfoil hat needed. SignatureTimberwoof <me at timberwoof dot com> faq: http://www.timberwoof.com/motorcycle/faq.shtml SNIP But I LIKE getting messages from submariners...90 days at sea they get board talking to the same group of people. > Oh, and if you want your tinfoil hat to work, you should ground it, too. > It's more practical to just build a Faraday cage: line your room [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > telephone, cable TV, and Ethernet. Put all the drywall and flooring > back, paint, decorate as usual. No tinfoil hat needed. From what I can tell this house was MADE that way. Makes sense though, there are Minuteman missles all over Montana. -- Keith I LIVE at ground zero of the next nuke. >To conclude that it's true because corporations lie >isn't very scientific. Denying evolution isn't scientific either. If not for the NHTSA we'd be killing 150,000 people a year on the road. Because of one man and a book called unsafe at any speed automobile death rates have declined every year once the government started to demand safety. All forms of wheel highway transport EXCEPT motorcycles are becoming safer. The death RATES of all vehciles EXCEPT motorcycle are dropping. In 1949 when the Atomic Bombs were dropped on Japan, there was little to no knowledge (virtually none in the public domain) as to what the unseen radiation was going to do to the survivors. For more than 20 years after the bomb blasts people were still dying from blast, heat and radiation effects at a rate over 50 per month. An intelligent approach is to be aware that there is a potential risk and to demand action to determine the level of that risk and take actions to alleviate it. An assinine approach, like those who claim Columbus was going to sail off the edge of the world, is to deny any risk exists based on their own ignorance and FEAR. The greatest danger to the human race is those who demand the right to remain ignorant. ======================== Classic Rider www.2wheelclassics.com ======================== > In 1949 when the Atomic Bombs were dropped on Japan, Just this statement alone tells everyone how f.cking ignorant you are. SignatureBMW K1100LT Ducati 750SS Yamaha XT600E Honda CB400F chateau dot murray at idnet dot com "What you're proposing to do will involve a lot of time and hassle for no tangible benefit." We were somewhere around Barstow, on the edge of the desert, when the drugs began to take hold. I remember totallydeadmailbox@yahoo.co.uk (The Older Gentleman) saying something like: >> In 1949 when the Atomic Bombs were dropped on Japan, > >Just this statement alone tells everyone how f.cking ignorant you are. That was probably when the Japanese bombed themselves with their Super Secret Smoker. SignatureDave On Sep 5, 9:04 am, Grimly Curmudgeon <grimly4REM...@REMOVEgmail.com> wrote: > We were somewhere around Barstow, on the edge of the desert, when the > drugs began to take hold. I remember totallydeadmail...@yahoo.co.uk (The [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > That was probably when the Japanese bombed themselves with their Super > Secret Smoker. Funny that was the name for my grandfathers reciepe for chili. ;^) I suspect what happened is they gave the negotiators a free bowl. It's DAMN, sh.t FIRE AND SAV MATCHS HOT chili but without masking the taste with the heat. You had a bowl of that stuff and well as the saying goes "The first bowl is free...anything after is going to cost" . So it's safe to say that just by making a little 10 gallon batch for Japan he hooked 'em the state department idiots reeled them in. -- Keith >> In 1949 when the Atomic Bombs were dropped on Japan, > >Just this statement alone tells everyone how f.cking ignorant you are. No only that I make typing errors. 1949 is of course the detonation of the first Hydrogen bomb. Your response more than adequately illustrates that you are a malicious defective person. ======================== Classic Rider www.2wheelclassics.com ======================== > >> In 1949 when the Atomic Bombs were dropped on Japan, > > > >Just this statement alone tells everyone how f.cking ignorant you are. > > No only that I make typing errors. 1949 is of course the detonation > of the first Hydrogen bomb. Wrong *again*. That was 1952. > Your response more than adequately illustrates that you are a > malicious defective person. No. But you are showing yourself up as an ignoramus, despite your repeated trumpetings that you' know better than anyone here. SignatureBMW K1100LT Ducati 750SS Yamaha XT600E Honda CB400F chateau dot murray at idnet dot com "What you're proposing to do will involve a lot of time and hassle for no tangible benefit." We were somewhere around Barstow, on the edge of the desert, when the drugs began to take hold. I remember totallydeadmailbox@yahoo.co.uk (The Older Gentleman) saying something like: >> No only that I make typing errors. 1949 is of course the detonation >> of the first Hydrogen bomb. > >Wrong *again*. That was 1952. Heh. I wonder if he's looked it up yet. SignatureDave > We were somewhere around Barstow, on the edge of the desert, when the > drugs began to take hold. I remember totallydeadmailbox@yahoo.co.uk (The [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > > Heh. I wonder if he's looked it up yet. Of course not. He doesn't need to. He knows everything. I *think* he's muddling the dates with the first Soviet Union detonation of an A-bomb which (and without Googling) I'm pretty sure was in 1949. I just love the way he proudly proclaims he's always right, knows more than any other poster, and litters both his webshite and his postings with hilarious errors, which he then refuses to acknowledge. He'll twist and turn and say anything in order to try and convince himself that he's got it right... SignatureBMW K1100LT Ducati 750SS Yamaha XT600E Honda CB400F chateau dot murray at idnet dot com "What you're proposing to do will involve a lot of time and hassle for no tangible benefit." We were somewhere around Barstow, on the edge of the desert, when the drugs began to take hold. I remember totallydeadmailbox@yahoo.co.uk (The Older Gentleman) saying something like: >I *think* he's muddling the dates with the first Soviet Union detonation >of an A-bomb which (and without Googling) I'm pretty sure was in 1949. Yep. Impressive achievement for a copy. Mind you, they didn't have to waste any time or money going down wasteful blind alleys as they already knew what worked, thanks to c.nts like Fuchs. SignatureDave > ...... If not for the NHTSA we'd > be killing 150,000 people a year on the road. Because of one man and > a book called unsafe at any speed automobile death rates have declined > every year once the government started to demand safety. Oh bull sh.t! There is no way to demo that NHTSA has reduced deaths because the death rate was going down anyway. It is more likely that Nuns praying caused the reduction than NHTSA or Nader. Fact is, Ford and other car makers had been funding research at Cornell and other Universities since WW2, and thanks to that research cars were getting safer decades before the government began f.cking things up. Ralf Nader was the very worst thing that ever happened to America. He couldn't have done better if he worked for Joe Stalin. In 1964 GM added a compensator spring to the Corvair. Before that it could be tipped over under conditions rarely seen, just like 1000s of VWs, Renaults, Porsches, and other rear engined cars could be tipped over. The thrust of Nader's suite was that, by improving the Corvair, GM admitted that it had been less safe. And he won, setting a legal precident that improving your product makes you liabel for any idiot hurting himself using your old one. So guess what. All manufacturers quit making improvements! American car makers had been planning to use disk brakes and independent suspension for a couple years. It was in the pipeline. But those plans got scrapped because adding disk brakes, or any improvement, would be admitting that drum brakes were less safe and make them liable for $millions.. How many people got killed when their 400 HP two-ton sedan ran out of brakes - thanks to Ralphie? And his wonderful legal precident is still a chill on product improvement in the USA. Worse yet, Nader never drove a Corvair. He never even had a drivers license. >There is no way to demo that NHTSA has reduced deaths because >the death rate was going down anyway. It sure as HELL was rising, not dropping. >It is more likely that Nuns praying >caused the reduction than NHTSA or Nader. Fact is, Ford and other car >makers had been funding research at Cornell and other Universities since >WW2, and thanks to that research cars were getting safer decades before the >government began f.cking things up. Sure they were... (What a rube) >Ralf Nader was the very worst thing that ever happened to America. He >couldn't have done better if he worked for Joe Stalin. Non-sense. Other than Hiram Maxim and Alfred Nobel there are few others in history who had such an impact on public safety. MOST of the agencies that resulted from Nader's book examined the entire breadth of products in this country which has resulted in the highest safety levels we've ever had. >In 1964 GM added a compensator spring to the Corvair. GM made many more changes to the suspension than that and completely abandoned the suspect suspension. The Corvair of that era that Nader wrote about was far more prone to roll over than any automobile before or since. >Before that it could >be tipped over under conditions rarely seen, Sure, by turning the steering wheel. >just like 1000s of VWs, >Renaults, Porsches, and other rear engined cars could be tipped over. Not to the same extent. This was GMs defense, which of course was completely bogus and failed. >The thrust of Nader's suite was that, by improving the Corvair, GM admitted that >it had been less safe. That was also true. >And he won, setting a legal precident that improving >your product makes you liabel for any idiot hurting himself using your old >one. So guess what. All manufacturers quit making improvements! That's so very obviously false it doesn't bear utterance. The NHTSA and the IIHS started testing for mandated safety which the cars were forced to start to adhere to. You seem to be abysmally ignorant as to the dozens of safety changes that were made to ALL automobiles, such as padded dashboards, steering wheels that would not crush your chest, steering rods that were partitioned so that they wouldn't penetrate your head. Fuel tanks that were less prone (they are still very vulnerable in antique designs that are still in use in new cars) to explode and hundreds of other changes. The US auto industry, being the lying bastards that they have always been, also claimed that the doubling of headlight candle power would blind oncoming motorists. We now have 6 times the candle power and can double that with no ill effects. The old Red Upholstery was also banned because that "new car smell" is the smell of a carcinogenic chemical which the makers have still not completely removed or made safe. >American car makers had been planning to use disk brakes and independent >suspension for a couple years. It was in the pipeline. But those plans got [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] >thanks to Ralphie? And his wonderful legal precident is still a chill on >product improvement in the USA. The US makers showed time and time again that they would spend money to lobby against EVERY advance. They also showed by the actions that they did take that they were well aware of the worst safety violators that they made. The ABS which was developed in Europe first showed up in the most dangerous (they are now 2nd to SUVs) vehicles of the era which were the pick up trucks. The US makers still to this day oppose EVERY measure to make life safer for drivers, their employees, and the public at large. They oppose raising mileage and reducing the cancerous chemicals they produce. >Worse yet, Nader never drove a Corvair. He never even had a drivers >license. And you somehow think this is signifcant. Actually it amplifies how bad the Corvair was when a person who never drove a car became aware because of the extreme numbers of accidents and deaths that the Corvair and the ENTIRE US auto industry was doing too much to kill US Citizens. Today we need to have mandatory roof strength standards which are far better than we have now and we need to stop the auto makers from bribing the court officials to bring in unfair rulings against the consumers, which has become a disease in recent years. ======================== Classic Rider www.2wheelclassics.com ======================== > GM made many more changes to the suspension than that and completely > abandoned the suspect suspension. The Corvair of that era that Nader > wrote about was far more prone to roll over than any automobile before > or since. And you owned how many of them? Same as Ralph test drove? Zero? I won't even comment on the rest of your idiotic lies. >In 1949 when the Atomic Bombs were dropped on Japan, Bluto? Is that you? I thought you were dead. Bluto: "Was it over when the Germans bombed Pearl Harbor? Hell no!" John >It's more practical to just build a Faraday cage: line your room >completely with grounded copper mesh. As I mentioned before I have done such to be able to run a PC in a Steel Factory due to all the EMF and EMR. >Take out all the drywall and >flooring, then line the walls with the mesh. There wasn't any. It was a framed wooden room. >You should shield >electrical boxes with RF-choke feedthroughs and use steel, not plastic [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] >telephone, cable TV, and Ethernet. Put all the drywall and flooring >back, paint, decorate as usual. No tinfoil hat needed. That's not good enough. You have the general idea... but this won't work. Besides, there is no such thing as tinfoil. ======================== Classic Rider www.2wheelclassics.com ======================== > That's not good enough. You have the general idea... but this won't > work. Besides, there is no such thing as tinfoil. http://rotometals.3dcartstores.com/TIN-FOIL-0002-Thick-1925-Wide-by-1-Foot-Long_ p_84-1786.html Don't you ever tire of demonstrating the depth of your ignorance? Bob M. >> That's not good enough. You have the general idea... but this won't >> work. Besides, there is no such thing as tinfoil. [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] >Don't you ever tire of demonstrating the depth of your >ignorance? Maybe he should augment the foil hat with Clark's Belts. "Classic Rider" <ClassicRider@2wheelclassics.com> wrote ..... > "I have met countless avid motorcycle riders diagnosed with similar > forms of cancers and disorders. All of these riders had a type of > extremely low frequency (ELF) electromagnetic field (EMF) radiation > shooting up from their motorcycle seats. Ya' mean them fancy rectum-friers on our T120s gave us cancer?? >"Classic Rider" <ClassicRider@2wheelclassics.com> wrote ..... >> "I have met countless avid motorcycle riders diagnosed with similar [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > >Ya' mean them fancy rectum-friers on our T120s gave us cancer?? No body really believes this. This fellow is tring to create a market for his scrotum shield which is designed to protect men from the increasing levels of sterility which he says has been occurring at a very high rate among motorcycle riders who put in a lot of time on their machines. If motorcyclists are being sterilized, who cares? I don't. I only care about children who may develop leukemia. As our government illustrates by the lack of safety regulation for motorcycles and riders, these people have no value. The highly regulated automobile industry has the lowest fatalities levels in their history while motorcycle deaths are climbing like a rocket. The rider is a no value .... organ donor. ======================== Classic Rider www.2wheelclassics.com ======================== On Sep 4, 8:35 pm, Classic Rider <ClassicRi...@2wheelclassics.com> wrote: SNIP > If motorcyclists are being sterilized, who cares? I don't. I only > care about children who may develop leukemia. As our government > illustrates by the lack of safety regulation for motorcycles and > riders, these people have no value. The problem is it isn't being caused the way you think. It's the plastics and the other sh.t in the enviroment. Not the any of the rest. period. No I wont explain it...mostly because you aren't equipped to deal with it. As for the POOR data you qoute they never mention the higher level of permanent brain injury in auto passengers. I can't speak for others but I'd RATHER be dead than brain damaged like most people I've met telling me they know more and know better when it's patently clear they DO NOT know better and most definately do NOT know more. p.s. The data can be made to lie by how you ask the question. -- Keith >The problem is it isn't being caused the way you think. Those are additional problems. When Republicans are in charge of the govenrment ANY manufacturer who threatens to lay off a hundred workers gets to have safety regulations suspended or revoked as the Auto industry has of the vitally necessary MPG increases which have been allowed to be too low for far too long. Thus we have the current "crisis." >It's the >plastics and the other sh.t in the enviroment. Not the any of the >rest. period. No I wont explain it...mostly because you aren't >equipped to deal with it. To say that plastic is responsible for sterility, as you have just done is pretty strange. You've never been able to keep the context of what you read and respond to in order. Plastics are a major risk factor. What do you think Gasoline is? >As for the POOR data you qoute they never mention the higher level of >permanent brain injury in auto passengers. I can't speak for others >but I'd RATHER be dead than brain damaged like most people I've met >telling me they know more and know better when it's patently clear >they DO NOT know better and most definately do NOT know more. >p.s. The data can be made to lie by how you ask the question. I did mention it almost a month ago. So doest the danger section of the website. Just like the fool who never read the Innovation time line and thinks the types of fuel injection used on the Honda and BMW were the same thus proving he's just a twit you forget that this was a topic of discussion three weeks ago. As I said before YOU and I pay for those $9 million (the upper end of TBI treatment costs) for the typical indigent motorcycle rider who prings his skull with his cheap beanie helmet and the $1 fake dot sticker. I have a severely brain damaged brother. My life has been devoted to his care for the past 25 years and will be until I die and someone else has to take over. His injury was a medical treatment mistake. If it happened today there would be a $20 million settlement. But we got nothing but bills for it. Whle he's like you, a permenant 5 year old. ======================== Classic Rider www.2wheelclassics.com ======================== On Sep 5, 2:07 pm, Classic Rider <ClassicRi...@2wheelclassics.com> wrote: SNIP What a load of ill informed conjecture and falumny...or in small words you are full of sh.t. Now begone foul spawn of a motherless dog (sorry can't be bothered to google up the proper arabic speiling. -- Keith On Sep 3, 3:40 pm, Classic Rider <ClassicRi...@2wheelclassics.com> wrote: > http://articles.directorym.net/New_Book_Links_Motorcycle_Radiation_to... > [quoted text clipped - 33 lines] > Classic Riderwww.2wheelclassics.com > ======================== "All of these riders had a type of extremely low frequency (ELF) electromagnetic field (EMF) radiation shooting up from their motorcycle seats" Awwwwwww sh.t!!!!!!! I'm never going to just be able to hop on the bike and take off again! |
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