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Motorcycle Forum / General / Motorcycles / September 2008European Vacation (Long)
If any of you should take a scheduled tour you may want to learn from my mistake, leave a day of two early. Our first flight to DC came off without a hitch. When we arrived at DC and went to make our connecting flight to Newark it was marked "Cancelled." Paniced, we grabbed the first United Person we could find who told us to go to the Customer Service counter. We did, behind 50 other people and heard a man holler out that International Flight need to go to the Customer Service desk on the other side of the airport. Running through the airport like OJ from a crime scene, we arrive at the next desk with 20 people. After waiting our turn we get to the desk and after many computer searches are told that there won't be any flights available until AFTER our MC trip's departure time. We were totally dejected when the customer service lady says "Oh, I see someone booked you on a direct flight leaving in 25 minutes." So back we ran to the other side of the airport to catch it. Unfortunately for us, our luggage wasn't as lucky. We arrived at the airport at the wrong time for our shuttle and had no riding gear for the trip. When we finally got to our hotel after trying to communicate with German speaking bus and taxi drivers for an hour or so, we met the Edelweiss folks who told me they had some gear they could sell me. It was way expensive "Held" stuff, so I passed and walked through town to the village MC gear dealer. And yes folks, this quaint little German village has such a dedicated store believe it or not: http://pictures.aol.com/galleries/saddlebag/2e90rGnGKJJXD4ZTL5MXkmEleBc*8AKnf2Ar v4xQp5Fd3Ig=/large/ The airline "Luftansa" called and told me the next flight wouldn't be in until ~8am and our group was scheduled to leave at 9 am, so I told them if they could get it to us by 9am to bring it to Germany, otherwise ship it to our next destination in Bolzano Italy. Figuring there was no way I was going to see it by 9 am, I parted with 400 Euro for new gear and had resigned to putting Mama in the luggage van for the first leg. As it turns out, the luggage was delivered before our morning briefing was concluded. Mama got to ride afterall. As an aside, I can't say enough good things about Luftansa airlines. Everything they did was first class even for us Economy class bums. Two of the best meals I had on the trip were aboard that plane. And most of the stewardesses could have won beauty pagents. Yowza! Why they are partnered to a loser outfit like United Airlines is beyond me. Anyway, day one turned out to be a cold, rainy ride though the mountains from Germany south to Bolzano Italy that left no one very excited. http://pictures.aol.com/galleries/saddlebag/2e90rGnGKJJXD4ZTL5MXkmElePqiXKiyaz5I v4xQp5Fd3Ig=/large/ We did stop at Barvarian King Ludwig's summer home for a photo op: http://pictures.aol.com/galleries/saddlebag/2e90rGnGKJJXD4ZTL5MXkmEleEFs*fOgiwUn v4xQp5Fd3Ig=/large/ http://pictures.aol.com/galleries/saddlebag/2e90rGnGKJJXD4ZTL5MXkmEleD09KI132oye v4xQp5Fd3Ig=/large/ Our guide was leading a nice pace through the muck, but not everyone could keep up. After waiting about 10 minutes he left us roadside to go back and find them. He did, but riding too fast for the conditions, he ended up highsiding his bike. Totalled, he sat with his bike and gave the others directions to find us. They did and eventually we meandered our way through the foreign city and found our hotel. Fortunately, we had been given very thorough instructions as finding your way through Italian cities is no mean feat...even if you knew the language. The one blessing was that as we got into Italy in the evening, the temperature warmed from 5°C to about 16°C. We got into town so late that I didn't get many good pics, but it is a beautiful city. And our hotel hosted a couple of interesting activities: http://pictures.aol.com/galleries/saddlebag/2e90rGnGKJJXD4ZTL5MXkmEleGoRI75dzdfP v4xQp5Fd3Ig=/large/ Above the head of Rider magazine writer Clement Salvadori's and his wife Sue's heads is a sign for escorts, that didn't turn out so well. http://pictures.aol.com/galleries/saddlebag/2e90rGnGKJJXD4ZTL5MXkmEleCck3Fx*UFh* v4xQp5Fd3Ig=/large/ In addition to beauty, the city was clean and free of vagrants and thugs and walking around in the middle of the night was a carefree activity. The next day was a ride to Stelvio (sp?) Pass. It is one of the more scenic and well known ones in western Italy. We went up the non-touristy way from the east. Clement led the ride since he was familiar with the route and the guides weren't permitted to take us there due to weather conditions. Clem leads a spirited pace and with some of the best twisties on the ride, had everyone grinning ear to ear when we reached the top. http://pictures.aol.com/galleries/saddlebag/2e90rGnGKJJXD4ZTL5MXkmElePmAVJhlKVit v4xQp5Fd3Ig=/large/ Next, we continued on to another pass that was home to a ski resort and WWI Memorial: http://pictures.aol.com/galleries/saddlebag/2e90rGnGKJJXD4ZTL5MXkmEleBSNqw9GYuBV v4xQp5Fd3Ig=/large/ http://pictures.aol.com/galleries/saddlebag/2e90rGnGKJJXD4ZTL5MXkmEleOpzTOJWlkkQ v4xQp5Fd3Ig=/large/ Finally, our last pass was the one that would lead us to Stelvio: http://pictures.aol.com/galleries/saddlebag/2e90rGnGKJJXD4ZTL5MXkmElePEV84p1fU1n v4xQp5Fd3Ig=/large/ http://pictures.aol.com/galleries/saddlebag/2e90rGnGKJJXD4ZTL5MXkmEleFy-0QvKackT v4xQp5Fd3Ig=/large/ This pass was a complete white knuckler for me a mile or so further up. It got even thinner, the pavement wet, full of salt, cracking, and the drop offs were staggering. And these are two lane roads! At one point we got stuck behind a car spinning his tires on ice and decided enough was enough and turned around for our next desitination. Stelvio will have to wait for another day. We did have a wonderful family style Italian lunch at the base of the mountain before we left though. http://pictures.aol.com/galleries/saddlebag/2e90rGnGKJJXD4ZTL5MXkmEleA7TyVetl5Jp v4xQp5Fd3Ig=/large/ Our destination for the night was a hotel at the northern end of the biggest lake in Italy named Garda. http://pictures.aol.com/galleries/saddlebag/2e90rGnGKJJXD4ZTL5MXkmEleBKevWJegNxP v4xQp5Fd3Ig=/large/ http://pictures.aol.com/galleries/saddlebag/2e90rGnGKJJXD4ZTL5MXkmEleCPRL7Z0b78* v4xQp5Fd3Ig=/large/ http://pictures.aol.com/galleries/saddlebag/2e90rGnGKJJXD4ZTL5MXkmEleBHOewS2IsY3 v4xQp5Fd3Ig=/large/ Notice the difference in vegitation that sea level makes: http://pictures.aol.com/galleries/saddlebag/2e90rGnGKJJXD4ZTL5MXkmEleIgSay1d4mb8 v4xQp5Fd3Ig=/large/ http://pictures.aol.com/galleries/saddlebag/2e90rGnGKJJXD4ZTL5MXkmEleEthELsJ6j7Y v4xQp5Fd3Ig=/large/ Our next mornings journey led us out of the mountains into the fertile Poe valley, home to the cities of Modena and Bologna (and Ferrari and Ducati respectively). We followed along lake Garda for a bit: http://pictures.aol.com/galleries/saddlebag/2e90rGnGKJJXD4ZTL5MXkmEleOHdCILqE51T v4xQp5Fd3Ig=/large/ While our hotels generally had over the top facilities: http://pictures.aol.com/galleries/saddlebag/2e90rGnGKJJXD4ZTL5MXkmEleLlthlHWMkHH v4xQp5Fd3Ig=/large/ (The bowl on the left is used to wash your a.s if you have the inclination) Those on the road were often less elaborate: http://pictures.aol.com/galleries/saddlebag/2e90rGnGKJJXD4ZTL5MXkmEleKp0HA0XyGIJ v4xQp5Fd3Ig=/large/ We hit some good mountain riding here and even came up on a guy on a Road King (somewhat unusual for the area) who was riding the wheels off that beast. We generally pass everything on the road with great haste, but I think our guide was enjoying watching him work that monster as much as the rest of us, so we just tucked in and enjoyed the show. The next day we took in Bologna: http://pictures.aol.com/galleries/saddlebag/2e90rGnGKJJXD4ZTL5MXkmEleImKKJJ6jLFq v4xQp5Fd3Ig=/large/ http://pictures.aol.com/galleries/saddlebag/2e90rGnGKJJXD4ZTL5MXkmEleDsoXo7YsHib v4xQp5Fd3Ig=/large/ http://pictures.aol.com/galleries/saddlebag/2e90rGnGKJJXD4ZTL5MXkmEleCEp53Xhu3Us v4xQp5Fd3Ig=/large/ http://pictures.aol.com/galleries/saddlebag/2e90rGnGKJJXD4ZTL5MXkmEleI8GTbPhtSKQ v4xQp5Fd3Ig=/large/ http://pictures.aol.com/galleries/saddlebag/2e90rGnGKJJXD4ZTL5MXkmEleI5QUVXCC8TA v4xQp5Fd3Ig=/large/ http://pictures.aol.com/galleries/saddlebag/2e90rGnGKJJXD4ZTL5MXkmEleF*tx1bLFw7t v4xQp5Fd3Ig=/large/ http://pictures.aol.com/galleries/saddlebag/2e90rGnGKJJXD4ZTL5MXkmEleGQp0KYq1So2 v4xQp5Fd3Ig=/large/ Note the leaning tower. http://pictures.aol.com/galleries/saddlebag/2e90rGnGKJJXD4ZTL5MXkmEleJSF275OG27D v4xQp5Fd3Ig=/large/ Towers were built by families to show off their wealth and are all over Italy. Over the years, they settle and lean. Appropriate for the Italian's motorcycling culture dontcha think? We also visited the Ferrari and Ducati Museums and even got a plant tour of Ducati. Sorry, no photos permitted in the Ducati plant. http://pictures.aol.com/galleries/saddlebag/2e90rGnGKJJXD4ZTL5MXkmEleC7*Y5cGU0Y4 v4xQp5Fd3Ig=/large/ http://pictures.aol.com/galleries/saddlebag/2e90rGnGKJJXD4ZTL5MXkmEleJ*maRrn57lM v4xQp5Fd3Ig=/large/ http://pictures.aol.com/galleries/saddlebag/2e90rGnGKJJXD4ZTL5MXkmEleHjVu7UhfdF7 v4xQp5Fd3Ig=/large/ http://pictures.aol.com/galleries/saddlebag/2e90rGnGKJJXD4ZTL5MXkmEleEOf2WVshqVc v4xQp5Fd3Ig=/large/ http://pictures.aol.com/galleries/saddlebag/2e90rGnGKJJXD4ZTL5MXkmEleBBIW0AvdmVz v4xQp5Fd3Ig=/large/ http://pictures.aol.com/galleries/saddlebag/2e90rGnGKJJXD4ZTL5MXkmEleCV39tp3EImC v4xQp5Fd3Ig=/large/ http://pictures.aol.com/galleries/saddlebag/2e90rGnGKJJXD4ZTL5MXkmEleAImHnnpWpuf v4xQp5Fd3Ig=/large/ http://pictures.aol.com/galleries/saddlebag/2e90rGnGKJJXD4ZTL5MXkmEleEcon42bsN4M v4xQp5Fd3Ig=/large/ Before WWII, Ducati made a host of gizmos: http://pictures.aol.com/galleries/saddlebag/2e90rGnGKJJXD4ZTL5MXkmEleBfgEnsDxPDN v4xQp5Fd3Ig=/large/ http://pictures.aol.com/galleries/saddlebag/2e90rGnGKJJXD4ZTL5MXkmEleBtNYm*7WAVs v4xQp5Fd3Ig=/large/ http://pictures.aol.com/galleries/saddlebag/2e90rGnGKJJXD4ZTL5MXkmEleDAkzQrzt8Bj v4xQp5Fd3Ig=/large/ http://pictures.aol.com/galleries/saddlebag/2e90rGnGKJJXD4ZTL5MXkmEleFSons3lqjjJ v4xQp5Fd3Ig=/large/ The factory was bombed flat during the war, and afterwards concentrated on producing inexpensive transportation for its citizens. The Cucciolo was the result: http://pictures.aol.com/galleries/saddlebag/2e90rGnGKJJXD4ZTL5MXkmEleKp0HA0XyGIJ v4xQp5Fd3Ig=/large/ The following day was back north to the mountains. We stopped for coffee in the city of Ferrara. http://pictures.aol.com/galleries/saddlebag/2e90rGnGKJJXD4ZTL5MXkmEleKfQgOkbrt5T v4xQp5Fd3Ig=/large/ A good moat helps to keep the riff raff at bay: http://pictures.aol.com/galleries/saddlebag/2e90rGnGKJJXD4ZTL5MXkmEleF2YOfxBYZAB v4xQp5Fd3Ig=/large/ From there it was good mountain roads onto Trento where we stayed in the most modern and American styled hotel of the tour: http://pictures.aol.com/galleries/saddlebag/2e90rGnGKJJXD4ZTL5MXkmEleAoi358Ddw5B v4xQp5Fd3Ig=/large/ While in a hurry, we did stop at a couple of interesting places along the way: http://pictures.aol.com/galleries/saddlebag/2e90rGnGKJJXD4ZTL5MXkmEleIQKoBnPXDT7 v4xQp5Fd3Ig=/large/ http://pictures.aol.com/galleries/saddlebag/2e90rGnGKJJXD4ZTL5MXkmEleOJ2trK8wfWM v4xQp5Fd3Ig=/large/ http://pictures.aol.com/galleries/saddlebag/2e90rGnGKJJXD4ZTL5MXkmEleD7jLuyiAynA v4xQp5Fd3Ig=/large/ http://pictures.aol.com/galleries/saddlebag/2e90rGnGKJJXD4ZTL5MXkmEleCc4v9YAVGMV v4xQp5Fd3Ig=/large/ http://pictures.aol.com/galleries/saddlebag/2e90rGnGKJJXD4ZTL5MXkmEleDboCf2oc0VH v4xQp5Fd3Ig=/large/ The Italians love their saints, and this mountain dwelling is home to the Patron Saint of Motorcyclists: http://pictures.aol.com/galleries/saddlebag/2e90rGnGKJJXD4ZTL5MXkmEleLQ9D*E2pZ*o v4xQp5Fd3Ig=/large/ The next morning was off to the Dolomites, the crown jewel of our riding trip and arguably one of the best motorcycling areas on our planet: http://pictures.aol.com/galleries/saddlebag/2e90rGnGKJJXD4ZTL5MXkmEleCy7*cZ29vy7 v4xQp5Fd3Ig=/large/ http://pictures.aol.com/galleries/saddlebag/2e90rGnGKJJXD4ZTL5MXkmEleMCuNYn1BY5E v4xQp5Fd3Ig=/large/ http://pictures.aol.com/galleries/saddlebag/2e90rGnGKJJXD4ZTL5MXkmEleK9*1FOkH2o9 v4xQp5Fd3Ig=/large/ http://pictures.aol.com/galleries/saddlebag/2e90rGnGKJJXD4ZTL5MXkmEleBf7JZaSHnjW v4xQp5Fd3Ig=/large/ http://pictures.aol.com/galleries/saddlebag/2e90rGnGKJJXD4ZTL5MXkmEleGgCII67l*YH v4xQp5Fd3Ig=/large/ No, you are not seeing things, some crazy Italian built a private residence on one of the Dolomite peaks: http://pictures.aol.com/galleries/saddlebag/2e90rGnGKJJXD4ZTL5MXkmEleL8qVFdcYBLF v4xQp5Fd3Ig=/large/ The locals come here for a morning wine and some socializing: http://pictures.aol.com/galleries/saddlebag/2e90rGnGKJJXD4ZTL5MXkmEleGHPBUhCi5-d v4xQp5Fd3Ig=/large/ Great pasta made here: http://pictures.aol.com/galleries/saddlebag/2e90rGnGKJJXD4ZTL5MXkmEleL04R2xhEW6C v4xQp5Fd3Ig=/large/ Like the fountain with the squirting boobs, Italian humor litters the landscape. Bar side of the wall: http://pictures.aol.com/galleries/saddlebag/2e90rGnGKJJXD4ZTL5MXkmEleMF58gMuo6Xe v4xQp5Fd3Ig=/large/ Bathroom side of the wall: http://pictures.aol.com/galleries/saddlebag/2e90rGnGKJJXD4ZTL5MXkmEleJhH9oKp9hXK v4xQp5Fd3Ig=/large/ Along the way we stopped at a bike shop for someone who wanted a new helmet: http://pictures.aol.com/galleries/saddlebag/2e90rGnGKJJXD4ZTL5MXkmEleFqWzG*XSog2 v4xQp5Fd3Ig=/large/ A rest stop near another of Italy's peaceful lakes was a fitting end to a perfect days ride: http://pictures.aol.com/galleries/saddlebag/2e90rGnGKJJXD4ZTL5MXkmEleAuwYbicWL8a v4xQp5Fd3Ig=/large/ http://pictures.aol.com/galleries/saddlebag/2e90rGnGKJJXD4ZTL5MXkmElePibqrcSGJFU v4xQp5Fd3Ig=/large/ This days ride took us into Austria, where we stayed with a couple other MC touring groups. Here's the view from our room: http://pictures.aol.com/galleries/saddlebag/2e90rGnGKJJXD4ZTL5MXkmEleLlUkqlDdzfL v4xQp5Fd3Ig=/large/ The next morning everyone arose to frost on their seats. Good thing Beemers come with heated butt pads: http://pictures.aol.com/galleries/saddlebag/2e90rGnGKJJXD4ZTL5MXkmEleOiXv7qA*C-2 v4xQp5Fd3Ig=/large/ The ladies got together for a group photo here while the seats warmed: http://pictures.aol.com/galleries/saddlebag/2e90rGnGKJJXD4ZTL5MXkmEleHqgtfQyKGhE v4xQp5Fd3Ig=/large/ First we stopped for coffee in a small Austrian village holding the annual lamb slaughter celebration: http://pictures.aol.com/galleries/saddlebag/2e90rGnGKJJXD4ZTL5MXkmEleOuCXZ-zrv43 v4xQp5Fd3Ig=/large/ http://pictures.aol.com/galleries/saddlebag/2e90rGnGKJJXD4ZTL5MXkmEleKctQ-OfpTVg v4xQp5Fd3Ig=/large/ These guys like to start drinking early, I can relate with them. Next, off we went for the Grossglockner pass to see the largest glacier in all of Austria: http://pictures.aol.com/galleries/saddlebag/2e90rGnGKJJXD4ZTL5MXkmEleB1Rfj1fsPjG v4xQp5Fd3Ig=/large/ As we left that we continued to climb higher and higher as the bikes gasped for air. Little did we know, mother nature had a seasonal bitch slappin prepared especially for us: http://pictures.aol.com/galleries/saddlebag/2e90rGnGKJJXD4ZTL5MXkmEleJAN0yPuub*p v4xQp5Fd3Ig=/large/ http://pictures.aol.com/galleries/saddlebag/2e90rGnGKJJXD4ZTL5MXkmEleDm20h58nRa6 v4xQp5Fd3Ig=/large/ The last portion was a fast blast back to Germany where our adventure came to its conclusion. We stopped by a lake there that was actually used by humans. http://pictures.aol.com/galleries/saddlebag/2e90rGnGKJJXD4ZTL5MXkmEleFWhwpGGEAf1 v4xQp5Fd3Ig=/large/ http://pictures.aol.com/galleries/saddlebag/2e90rGnGKJJXD4ZTL5MXkmElePKFapIhwW3P v4xQp5Fd3Ig=/large/ So our trip back was uneventful and oddly even rather efficient even getting thru customs. The BMW (pronounced BMV in by the Europeans) RT1250 we rode was an excellent motorcycle and never missed a beat. It was thrashed all day long like a sportbike without blinking an eye and had outstanding handling, brakes, fuel mapping and comfort. Hope this twists the arms of some of you fence sitters to get out and explore the planet beyond your own backyards. I think you just might enjoy the experience ; ) > While our hotels generally had over the top facilities: >http://pictures.aol.com/galleries/saddlebag/2e90rGnGKJJXD4ZTL5MXkmEleLlthlHWMkHH v4xQp5Fd3Ig=/large/ >(The bowl on the left is used to wash your a.s if you have the >inclination) >Those on the road were often less elaborate: > >http://pictures.aol.com/galleries/saddlebag/2e90rGnGKJJXD4ZTL5MXkmEleKp0HA0XyGIJ v4xQp5Fd3Ig=/large/ i don't know, Saddle, that seems like a pretty elaborate place to take a piss!... nice shape... anyway, thanks for the report... I enjoyed it. Nice to see flying to Europe hasn't become boring. In 1972 our family flew from L.A. to Munich on "Club International" on a 707. First, early in the morning something was wrong with the plane, so they hotelled us, the next morning we took off for Bangor, Maine. There, we waited 9 hours while they fixed the plane's radar. We then flew off to Shannon, Ireland, where we were only on the ground for 2 hours. We took off for Munich, but for some reason I never heard, we lost permission to land in Munich (this was 2 months before the Olympic massacre) and were re-routed to Prague, Czechoslovakia. This was before the "Wall" came down, and CZ was still a very communist country and none of us had Visas. We were kept isolated in a corner of the airport for 7 hours while ground transport was arranged, watched over by military guards. While waiting we watched an Aeroflot plane load, then after a while they all got off. Another plane was brought up an hour later, it boarded, and then the third of 4 piston engines caught fire on startup. The third plane loaded and started up fine, so off they went. They loaded us into two busses and took us to the train station, put us in two cars behind a coal-fired locomotive, and away we went. We were of course not allowed into the other cars or allowed off the train at the many stops, We hit the German border and the cars were rolled across and hooked to a German train and off we went at twice the speed with 1/4 the bumps. We hit the station in Munich and escaped before the bus ride to the airport. Fun! One couple was only going to be ther for two days on business and had to go home. We bought a California model VW Camper at the Wesphaliawerk and stayed in the factory campground. Next day, we headed for Prague, Chzechoslovakia, for Dad to attend an Engineer's conference for a couple of days. 5 of us spent 3 months and put 15,000 miles on the bus, then sent it home and sold it at a profit. Be a Tourist. Hard work, long hours, and no pay!  SignatureStupendous Man, Defender of Freedom, Advocate of Liberty > While our hotels generally had over the top facilities: > http://pictures.aol.com/galleries/saddlebag/2e90rGnGKJJXD4ZTL5MXkmEle... > (The bowl on the left is used to wash your a.s if you have the > inclination) > Those on the road were often less elaborate: > http://pictures.aol.com/galleries/saddlebag/2e90rGnGKJJXD4ZTL5MXkmEle... First trip abroad? Septics are always so fascinated with civilised plumbing the first time they visit Europe. >> While our hotels generally had over the top facilities: >> http://pictures.aol.com/galleries/saddlebag/2e90rGnGKJJXD4ZTL5MXkmEle... [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] >First trip abroad? Septics are always so fascinated with civilised >plumbing the first time they visit Europe. Ah - like rain water barrels where you collect whatever birdshit fell on the roof, and those tiled holes in the ground you call 'commodes' ? SignatureClick here every day to feed an animal that needs you today !!! www.theanimalrescuesite.com/ Paul ( pjm @ pobox . com ) - remove spaces to email me 'Some days, it's just not worth chewing through the restraints.' 'With sufficient thrust, pigs fly just fine.' HVAC/R program for Palm PDA's Free demo online at www.pmilligan.net/palm/ Free 'People finder' program now at www.pmilligan.net/finder.htm > > While our hotels generally had over the top facilities: > >http://pictures.aol.com/galleries/saddlebag/2e90rGnGKJJXD4ZTL5MXkmEle... [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > First trip abroad? Septics are always so fascinated with civilised > plumbing the first time they visit Europe. Septics? >>> While our hotels generally had over the top facilities: >>> http://pictures.aol.com/galleries/saddlebag/2e90rGnGKJJXD4ZTL5MXkmEle... [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > > Septics? Septic tanks = yanks >> Septics? > > Septic tanks = yanks At the point that the rhyming slang gets shortened so it no longer rhymes, it does become just the least bit impenetrable... Signaturesjs >>> Septics? >> >> Septic tanks = yanks > > At the point that the rhyming slang gets shortened so it no longer > rhymes, it does become just the least bit impenetrable... It's been common slang here for a while. It also works like this. Septic tanks = Full of sh.t. :) > At the point that the rhyming slang gets shortened so it no longer > rhymes, it does become just the least bit impenetrable... That's how it all works and that was the original point of it: to confuse the rozzers. SignatureBMW K1100LT Ducati 750SS Yamaha XT600E Honda CB400F & SH50 GAGARPHOF#30 GHPOTHUF#1 BOTAFOT#60 The bells, the bells..... >>> "Septic" >> At the point that the rhyming slang gets shortened so it no longer >> rhymes, it does become just the least bit impenetrable... Like, uh, here at the beach in Cali, Dude, it was slang for "skeptic" in the 70s. We use to have fun referring to the Hari Krishnas as "Skinheads" til' the nazis f.cked that word up. Thanks to the Homos, now you cant say "gay", or wear a Spongebob T-shirt given as a a gift by a 5 year old nephew. Back in the 70s rainbow stickers were very common on cars, now it's a Homo ID. SignatureStupendous Man, Defender of Freedom, Advocate of Liberty > Thanks to the Homos, now you cant say "gay", or wear a Spongebob T-shirt > given as a a gift by a 5 year old nephew. Back in the 70s rainbow stickers > were very common on cars, now it's a Homo ID. Just as the use of "Homo" as an insult now IDs you as a homophobe. We live and learn. > Just as the use of "Homo" as an insult now IDs you as a homophobe. You're an adult, you're old enough not to be insulted at being described as a Homo sapiens... > > Just as the use of "Homo" as an insult now IDs you as a homophobe. > > You're an adult, you're old enough not to be insulted at being > described as a Homo sapiens... Your Alzheimer's is acting up again. Nobody called anyone a "Homo Sapiens", least of all *you*. >> Thanks to the Homos, now you cant say "gay", or wear a Spongebob T-shirt >> given as a a gift by a 5 year old nephew. Back in the 70s rainbow stickers [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > We live and learn. A bit touchy there?? :) I don't see the insult? Was it because he didn't use the word 'Homosexual' in full? What would you prefer as a PC non-offensive tag? tailgunner,fudge packer,poo pusher......if you are a homo and are offended by being called a homo, maybe deep down you offended by yourself? > A bit touchy there?? :) Nope. I just don't much care for racists or bigots of any stripe. As you have reason to know. > I don't see the insult? Was it because he didn't use the word > 'Homosexual' in full? "Homo" used as it was is *always* intended as an insult, just as white man calling a black man a nigger is always an insult. The only white guys who call black guys niggers are overt racists, and the only straight guys who call homosexuals "homos" are homophobes. > What would you prefer as a PC non-offensive tag? tailgunner,fudge > packer,poo pusher......if you are a homo and are offended by being > called a homo, maybe deep down you offended by yourself? And maybe you're looking for excuses to troll, except it ain't "maybe". >> A bit touchy there?? :) > [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] > And maybe you're looking for excuses to troll, except it ain't > "maybe". Since homo is common slang for homosexual, where is the insult? "Back in the 70s rainbow stickers were very common on cars, now it's a Homo ID." "Back in the 70s rainbow stickers were very common on cars, now it's a Homosexual ID." I don't see it changing the meaning at all. If homosexuals are identifying themselves by putting rainbow stickers on their cars, then why think it's an insult to call it they way they are advertising it? You seem to think it's OK for them to say "I'm a homosexual", yet if someone says "He's a homo" it's an insult, rather than an observation of his rainbow sticker. Think of it this way....'nig' is short for 'nigger', 'homo' is short for 'homosexual'. Are nigger and homosexual the same type of words? No way! One word describes someones sexuality and the other is a racial slur.....Calling people homophobes implies an irrational fear of homosexuals, rather than a need/want to insult homo's? "Twibil" <jose.noway6@gmail.com> wrote"Homo" used as it was is *always* intended as an insult, just as white man calling a black man a nigger is always an insult. The only white guys who call black guys niggers are overt racists, and the only straight guys who call homosexuals "homos" are homophobes. You sir, are a retard. Grow the f.ck up. SignatureStupendous Man, Defender of Freedom, Advocate of Liberty > You sir, are a retard. IQ 168 last time anyone checked. > Grow the f.ck up. I turn 65 on November 6th. Care to try again? And now it's my turn: How can you -or anyone- issue what you know perfectly well is an unprovoked public insult of an entire group -a group that already has enough problems in life, and then act hurt when somebody points out that you did it? Did you really think it was going to be a secret? Twitbull spewed: >> You sir, are a retard. > > IQ 168 last time anyone checked. And of course, you're "not psychotic at all", either. The other test "proved" that. <chuckle> SignatureThey must find it difficult - those who have taken authority as the Truth, rather than Truth as the authority. - G. 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And there is no limit to the innocent lives they are willing to take... men with blind hatred and armed with lethal weapons who are capable of any atrocity... they respect no laws of warfare or morality." -bu$h describing his own illegal invasion of Iraq. http://www.robert-fisk.com/iraqwarvictims_mar2003.htm http://www.commondreams.org/ http://thirdworldtraveler.com/ "Our lives begin to end the day we become silent about things that matter." -- Martin Luther King Jr. "To announce that there must be no criticism of the President, or that we are to stand by the President, right or wrong, is not only unpatriotic and servile, but is morally treasonable to the American public." -- Theodore Roosevelt (1918) Don't let bu$h do to the United States what his very close friend and top campaign contributor, Ken Lay, did to Enron... "The new America, born in sin and arrogance, delusional in Manifest Destiny, bred in overabundant gluttony, consumerist and materialist, fathered by George W. Bush, Dick Cheney and the Cabal of Criminality, a country flocked by sheeple, ignorant and conditioned, indifferent to a world growing up around it, living delusions of empire and of omnipotence, building hatred against it and its policies throughout the planet, slowly dumbing down its citizens, losing its edge in the sciences and arts, producing a nation of acquiescent automatons brainwashed to never question authority and always faithfully follow the crimes of governance." - Manuel Valenzuela Just as the use of "Homo" as an insult now IDs you as a homophobe. Ha ha. I am not a phobe! I still use the words "Negro" and "Mexican" as well. If I meant to be insulting there would be no doubt about it. SignatureStupendous Man, Defender of Freedom, Advocate of Liberty > I am not a phobe! I still use the words "Negro" and "Mexican" as well. The words Negro and Mexican aren't overt insults. Homo *is*. Just like nigger. > If I meant to be insulting there would be no doubt about it. There wasn't. And if you're seriously saying that you don't think calling someone a homo is an insult, it's time you learned otherwise. >> I am not a phobe! I still use the words "Negro" and "Mexican" as well. > > The words Negro and Mexican aren't overt insults. Homo *is*. Just like > nigger. Look, there's a Negro. Look, there's a Mexican. Look, there's a Homo. Look, there's a Nigger Only one of the above is an insult....... >> If I meant to be insulting there would be no doubt about it. > > There wasn't. > > And if you're seriously saying that you don't think calling someone a > homo is an insult, it's time you learned otherwise. Maybe calling someone who isn't a homo, a homo, could be seen as an insult, but to call a homo a homo is just calling a spade a spade? There are plenty of insulting names for homosexuals out there if someone want to insult them. >>> I am not a phobe! I still use the words "Negro" and "Mexican" as well. >> [quoted text clipped - 17 lines] >Maybe calling someone who isn't a homo, a homo, could be seen as an >insult, but to call a homo a homo is just calling a spade a spade? Here you go with the black jokes again .... >There are plenty of insulting names for homosexuals out there if someone >want to insult them. SignatureClick here every day to feed an animal that needs you today !!! www.theanimalrescuesite.com/ Paul ( pjm @ pobox . com ) - remove spaces to email me 'Some days, it's just not worth chewing through the restraints.' 'With sufficient thrust, pigs fly just fine.' HVAC/R program for Palm PDA's Free demo online at www.pmilligan.net/palm/ Free 'People finder' program now at www.pmilligan.net/finder.htm >>>> I am not a phobe! I still use the words "Negro" and "Mexican" as well. >>> The words Negro and Mexican aren't overt insults. Homo *is*. Just like [quoted text clipped - 17 lines] > > Here you go with the black jokes again .... I can see how easy it is to offend in the PC US. :) >> There are plenty of insulting names for homosexuals out there if someone >> want to insult them. > Maybe calling someone who isn't a homo, a homo, could be seen as an > insult, but to call a homo a homo is just calling a spade a spade? > > There are plenty of insulting names for homosexuals out there if someone > want to insult them. I've met plenty of homos (homoes? homi?) who refer to themselves as homos. (OK, they refer to themselves in the singular, but it didn't sound right to end the sentence with "homo".) Signature"Outback" Jon - KC2BNE outback_jon@ver.no.sp.am.izon.net AMD Opteron 165 (@2.5) and 6.1 GHz of other AMD power... http://folding.stanford.edu - got folding? Team 53560 2006 ZG1000A Concours "Blueline" COG# 7385 CDA# 0157 >> Maybe calling someone who isn't a homo, a homo, could be seen as an >> insult, but to call a homo a homo is just calling a spade a spade? [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] >I've met plenty of homos (homoes? homi?) who refer to themselves as >homos. I thought 'homi's' were black ? >(OK, they refer to themselves in the singular, but it didn't sound right >to end the sentence with "homo".) SignatureClick here every day to feed an animal that needs you today !!! www.theanimalrescuesite.com/ Paul ( pjm @ pobox . com ) - remove spaces to email me 'Some days, it's just not worth chewing through the restraints.' 'With sufficient thrust, pigs fly just fine.' HVAC/R program for Palm PDA's Free demo online at www.pmilligan.net/palm/ Free 'People finder' program now at www.pmilligan.net/finder.htm >>> Maybe calling someone who isn't a homo, a homo, could be seen as an >>> insult, but to call a homo a homo is just calling a spade a spade? [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > > I thought 'homi's' were black ? No, that's either "homie" or "homey". I've seen it spelled both ways. Signature"Outback" Jon - KC2BNE outback_jon@ver.no.sp.am.izon.net AMD Opteron 165 (@2.5) and 6.1 GHz of other AMD power... http://folding.stanford.edu - got folding? Team 53560 2006 ZG1000A Concours "Blueline" COG# 7385 CDA# 0157 >>> I am not a phobe! I still use the words "Negro" and "Mexican" as well. >> [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > >Only one of the above is an insult....... And only one is supposed to be proof positive of having a phobia. >>>> I am not a phobe! I still use the words "Negro" and "Mexican" as well. >>> The words Negro and Mexican aren't overt insults. Homo *is*. Just like [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > > And only one is supposed to be proof positive of having a phobia. 'supposed to be' would depend on who's doing the supposing? :) I have no irrational fear of any of the above.....but a rational fear of getting my head stomped on if I called a large Negro chap (wether he's gay or not) a nigger! Iv'e heard some Americans take it as an insult if you ask them if they are Canadian......... > Iv'e heard some Americans take it as an insult if you ask them if they > are Canadian......... I have about 15 souvenir T-shirts with Canadian logos. When I wore them around Hollyweird, only Canadian tourists were dumb enough to ask what part of Canada I was from... > I have about 15 souvenir T-shirts with Canadian logos. When I wore > them around Hollyweird, only Canadian tourists were dumb enough to ask > what part of Canada I was from... You have it wrong. Only the Canadians were smart enough to be able to read and UNDERSTAND what it said on the T-Shirt Ian Singer 84 V45S in Canada Signature========================================================================= See my homepage at http://www.iansinger.com hosted on http://www.1and1.com/?k_id=10623894 All genealogy is stored in TMG from http://www.whollygenes.com Charts and searching using TNG from http://www.tngsitebuilding.com I am near Toronto Canada, can I tell where you are from your reply? ========================================================================= >>>>> I am not a phobe! I still use the words "Negro" and "Mexican" as well. >>>> The words Negro and Mexican aren't overt insults. Homo *is*. Just like [quoted text clipped - 17 lines] >Iv'e heard some Americans take it as an insult if you ask them if they >are Canadian......... I don't believe Americans have anything against Canadians, but I wouldn't call a Southern or a Yankee. I was in a bar in Myrtle Beach, North or South Carolina (forget) one night. I asked the bartender where he was from and he said Texas. I asked him where he'd come from before that and he very quietly whispered, "Pittsburgh". Robert (snip) Oh good; a lecture on lexicography from a clown who grew up half a world away from the US, knows no more about US slang and it's meanings than we know about New Zealand slang, and is an admitted anti-semite in the bargain. I don't know about *you*, but that's the sort of person I *always* look for when I want to find out what my next-door neighbor really meant. > (snip) > > Oh good; a lecture on lexicography from a clown who grew up half a > world away from the US, knows no more about US slang and it's meanings > than we know about New Zealand slang, and is an admitted anti-semite > in the bargain. Seven lines = a lecture!? I hope it didn't take too long for you to read. Live and learn? You stuffed up with saying homo is an insult so now you throw the anti-semite thing out there......pathetic. I suppose thats because I called a Jew a Jew? So you claim 'Homo' as American slang and I don't understand it.....what does it stand for? Did I get it wrong when I said it's short for Homosexual? Please enlighten me to it's mysterious US slang meaning if thats not it. > I don't know about *you*, but that's the sort of person I *always* > look for when I want to find out what my next-door neighbor really > meant. It was only you looking for another meaning right from the start.....everyone else read it and understood it. It was you that said Homo was *always* an insult.....and you were wrong. I don't care if you are a homo. > I don't know about *you*, but that's the sort of person I *always* > look for when I want to find out what my next-door neighbor really > meant. If I had a choice between BrianNZ for a neighbor, and *you*, I'd pick BrianNZ. >> I don't know about *you*, but that's the sort of person I *always* >> look for when I want to find out what my next-door neighbor really >> meant. > > If I had a choice between BrianNZ for a neighbor, and *you*, I'd pick > BrianNZ. LOL....bwuuhahahaha.....divide and conquer........toady, rec.motorcycles, tomorrow ,the world!! :) I'm too scared to look up the family tree in case we are related!! > On Sep 24, 10:58�am, Twitbull spewed: >> I don't know about *you*, but that's the sort of person I *always* >> look for when I want to find out what my next-door neighbor really >> meant. > If I had a choice between BrianNZ for a neighbor, and *you*, I'd pick > BrianNZ. If I had a choice between Petie, (a twit who spews a lot of bullshit) Roehling for a neighbor, and a sane person, it'd be a tough call. Petie's behavior, although clearly quite pitiful, can still be amusing - especially the way he goes tits up when you challenge him to think. Plus, he has a cute, timid way of making the rest of us feel damn fortunate. ;-) SignatureThey must find it difficult - those who have taken authority as the Truth, rather than Truth as the authority. - G. Massey http://911research.wtc7.net http://stj911.org http://stopthelie.com/1-hour_guide_to_911.html http://www.911truth.org Here's what happens to steel framed buildings exposed to raging infernos for hours on end. http://davesweb.cnchost.com/nwsltr69c.html On 9-11-01, WTC7, a 47 story steel framed building, which had only small, random fires, dropped in perfect symmetry at near free fall speed as in a perfectly executed controlled demolition. http://911research.wtc7.net/talks/wtc/videos.html http://911research.wtc7.net http://stj911.org http://stopthelie.com/1-hour_guide_to_911.html http://www.911truth.org Ever wonder who benefits from the 700 MILLION U.S. taxpayer dollars spent each DAY in Iraq? http://www.commondreams.org/views04/0223-08.htm http://www.corpwatch.org/article.php?list=type&type=21 "They are waging a campaign of murder and destruction. And there is no limit to the innocent lives they are willing to take... men with blind hatred and armed with lethal weapons who are capable of any atrocity... they respect no laws of warfare or morality." -bu$h describing his own illegal invasion of Iraq. http://www.robert-fisk.com/iraqwarvictims_mar2003.htm http://www.commondreams.org/ http://thirdworldtraveler.com/ "Our lives begin to end the day we become silent about things that matter." -- Martin Luther King Jr. "To announce that there must be no criticism of the President, or that we are to stand by the President, right or wrong, is not only unpatriotic and servile, but is morally treasonable to the American public." -- Theodore Roosevelt (1918) Don't let bu$h do to the United States what his very close friend and top campaign contributor, Ken Lay, did to Enron... "The new America, born in sin and arrogance, delusional in Manifest Destiny, bred in overabundant gluttony, consumerist and materialist, fathered by George W. Bush, Dick Cheney and the Cabal of Criminality, a country flocked by sheeple, ignorant and conditioned, indifferent to a world growing up around it, living delusions of empire and of omnipotence, building hatred against it and its policies throughout the planet, slowly dumbing down its citizens, losing its edge in the sciences and arts, producing a nation of acquiescent automatons brainwashed to never question authority and always faithfully follow the crimes of governance." - Manuel Valenzuela > > I don't know about *you*, but that's the sort of person I *always* > > look for when I want to find out what my next-door neighbor really > > meant. > > If I had a choice between BrianNZ for a neighbor, and *you*, I'd pick > BrianNZ. Gee, what a surprise! One bigot picking another one for his buddy instead of selecting someone who simply judges people as individuals... I mean, who would have ever *guessed*? >>> I don't know about *you*, but that's the sort of person I *always* >>> look for when I want to find out what my next-door neighbor really [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > > I mean, who would have ever *guessed*? LOL.....bigot....."a person who is intolerant of opinions, lifestyles, or identities differing from his or her own".....You would really have to twist what I say to get that! > LOL.....bigot....."a person who is intolerant of opinions, lifestyles, > or identities differing from his or her own".....You would really have > to twist what I say to get that! A better definition of "bigot" would be "a person who is *unreasonably* intolerant of opinions, lifestyles, or identities differing from his or her own". You are a product of your nation and its belief system, and you will not easily be changed. There is nothing inherently *wrong* with resisting *reasonable* change. But the definition of "bigot" has already been severely twisted from what it originally meant. "Bigot" comes from the Old Norse oath "bi gott" (by God!) A "bigot" was a person of strong belief and loyalties who swore an oath to continue such beliefs and loyalties to leaders or to traditions. Such conservative-minded people didn't want to go along with every new idea that would "rock their world". In one example of the origin of the word "bigot", a Norse prince was ordered to get down and prove his new found allegience by kissing the velvet slipper of the king of France, to which he replied, "By God! I will not!" > A better definition of "bigot" would be "a person who is > *unreasonably* intolerant of opinions, lifestyles, or identities > differing from his or her own". Coo, fancy that. SignatureBMW K1100LT Ducati 750SS Yamaha XT600E Honda CB400F & SH50 GHPOTHUF#1 chateaudotmurrayatidnetdotcom Nothing is more dangerous than an ignoramus with a workshop manual, a 'can-do' attitude and a cheap set of tools > "Bigot" comes from the Old Norse oath "bi gott" (by God!) No, it comes into English from French, where it was originally used as a derogatory term for the Normans. The Norman use of "by God" came from Old English, not Norse. A speaker of Old Norse would not have used "gott" for "God" in any case. The Old Norse for "god" was "áss," with the proper name of the Father God being, of course, "Odin." "Gott" in Old Norse translates to English best as "benefit" or "good." Bob M. > No, it comes into English from French, where it was originally > used as a derogatory term for the Normans. �The Norman use [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > Father God being, of course, "Odin." �"Gott" in Old Norse > translates to English best as "benefit" or "good." Are you trying to pull a J. Clarke here, or what? > > No, it comes into English from French, where it was originally > > used as a derogatory term for the Normans. The Norman use [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > > Are you trying to pull a J. Clarke here, or what? No just being more factual than you. Not that it is hard to do...you have to use wiki to get your answers. -- Keith > >>> I don't know about *you*, but that's the sort of person I *always* > >>> look for when I want to find out what my next-door neighbor really [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > or identities differing from his or her own".....You would really have > to twist what I say to get that! Yup. That's the bleat of every bigot in the world: "*I'm* not intolerant! It's you people who point it out when I openly insult the Jews or Gays who are being intolerant!" What's amazing is that you seem to picture yourself as being very tolerant towards most groups while at the same time you revel in name- calling that would shame a 7th grader whenever you feel the urge. And you see no inconsistancy in this. Krusty, at least, is now being honest -both with himself and the rest of the world. He's an unapologetic racist/homophobe who's decided that he's willing to stand up publicly for what he believes in. (It's utter garbage, of course, and he's more likely to do his cause harm than good, but nobody can accuse him of hypocrisy any longer.) >>>>> I don't know about *you*, but that's the sort of person I *always* >>>>> look for when I want to find out what my next-door neighbor really [quoted text clipped - 23 lines] > garbage, of course, and he's more likely to do his cause harm than > good, but nobody can accuse him of hypocrisy any longer.) LOL....if calling a spade a spade hurts the sensitivities of some, thats their problem, not mine. I take people at face value, by their attitude, not race or religion. I'm a name caller!! (shock ,horror!!) You racist, homophobe namecaller,you.....no name calling from you, no sireee bob. If my blunt honesty offends you, well thats your personal problem. I'm not about to start pussyfooting around and not say it how I see it, on the off chance of upsetting someone who's just sitting by their computer, looking for something to be offended about. I really don't care if you are a thin skinned, black, homosexual Jew. Those words are just descriptive labels, not insults. <snip> >> What's amazing is that you seem to picture yourself as being very >> tolerant towards most groups while at the same time you revel in name- >> calling that would shame a 7th grader whenever you feel the urge. And >> you see no inconsistancy in this. <snip> >I'm a name caller!! (shock ,horror!!) You racist, homophobe >namecaller,you.....no name calling from you, no sireee bob. Heh, heh. I was biting my tongue a bit, reading Pete accuse someone else of revelling in name-calling that would shame a 7th grader whenever the urge was felt. But then, of course, when he does it, it's alright. > <snip> > [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > > But then, of course, when he does it, it's alright. Yup. I'm certainly in the wrong from your viewpoint. When I see a bigot or a hypocrite I point him out. Sometimes repeatedly. But to the rest of us it's a bit odd to find someone who's a loudly self-proclaimed Christian standing up for *this* sort of thing... http://www.resist.com/ An actual follower of Christ's teachings, of course, would promptly forgive the person who he believed had trespassed against him (me) and would do so as many times as he needed. So what does that tell us, pray, about *your* core values? >> <snip> >> [quoted text clipped - 24 lines] > >So what does that tell us, pray, about *your* core values? You're asking what some kook's website tells about my core values? Man, you're getting weird... I can get along with anyone, regardless of what their religion or race is because I start of with viewing them primarily as just a person like myself - not the personification of what I dislike about a certain belief or whatever. You should try it, Pete. > Gee, what a surprise! �One bigot picking another one for his buddy > instead of selecting someone who simply judges people as > individuals... Hey, don't you hippy liberals eschew *labelling* other people in order to demonstrate your "tolerance" of diversity? Isn't there any place left in your Pollyanna world for polite disagreement and alternative opinion? Do you have to throw patriots under the bus, in order to achieve "change you can believe in"? > Hey, don't you hippy liberals eschew *labelling* other people in order > to demonstrate your "tolerance" of diversity? I was never a "hippy", nor am I a "liberal". The difference between our posts -other than your racist views- is simply that I don't have to lie about what you are to insult you, while you *do* have to lie about me. Too bad. > Isn't there any place left in your Pollyanna world for polite > disagreement and alternative opinion? Ah, so your basic Nazi/White Supremacy philosophy is now going under the Q-ship label of "polite disagreement and alternative opinion"? Aren't there laws about truth in packaging? > Do you have to throw patriots under the bus, in order to achieve > "change you can believe in"? You aren't a "patriot", there *is* no bus, and I'm not an Obama enthusiast. Life would be *so* much easier for you if only you'd stop shooting yourself in the foot by pretending that everyone who isn't a racist/ homophobe must therefore be a hippy, liberal, Pollyanna; and that only racists are capable of polite disagreement, alternative opinions, and patriotism. On Sep 26, 8:04 am, "." <yefelnag...@yahoo.com> wrote: > Ah, so your basic Nazi/White Supremacy philosophy is now going under > the Q-ship label of "polite disagreement and alternative opinion"? Precisely as Nazi Germany engaged in "polite disagreement" and offered "alterative opinions" with/to Czechoslovakia and Poland, 1938-39. Bob M. > On Sep 26, 8:04 am, "." <yefelnag...@yahoo.com> wrote: > [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > and offered "alterative opinions" with/to Czechoslovakia and > Poland, 1938-39. Bah! Wake up America! That history stuff is all in the past, and it's unfair to bring it up now! >>> I am not a phobe! I still use the words "Negro" and "Mexican" as well. >> [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > >Only one of the above is an insult....... Select definition #2 - http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/homo Most people in the US know it's often meant to be disparaging, so they look at someone who uses the term and wonder why the speaker chose to use it. Is the person unaware it can offend, is the person aware but just refuses to adjust to accommodate new social customs, or is the person anti-Gay and wants the world to know it? Or any variable combination of the above. That's just the way it is, Robert > The words Negro and Mexican aren't overt insults. Homo *is*. Just likenigger. Let's start calling Negros and Mexicans "roses" and see if they smell any different... <snip excellent report and great pics> You do realize the economy took a big dive while you were gone? > <snip excellent report and great pics> > > You do realize the economy took a big dive while you were gone? Is this supposed to be where I look surprised? These neo-con dumbfucks have ruined our country but good. Buy commodities now while they're on sale. All these gubament bail outs are only going to serve to de-value our currency. >> <snip excellent report and great pics> >> [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] >commodities now while they're on sale. All these gubament bail outs >are only going to serve to de-value our currency. How the Democrats Created the Financial Crisis http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=newsarchive&sid=aSKSoiNbnQY0 SignatureClick here every day to feed an animal that needs you today !!! www.theanimalrescuesite.com/ Paul ( pjm @ pobox . com ) - remove spaces to email me 'Some days, it's just not worth chewing through the restraints.' 'With sufficient thrust, pigs fly just fine.' HVAC/R program for Palm PDA's Free demo online at www.pmilligan.net/palm/ Free 'People finder' program now at www.pmilligan.net/finder.htm > On Mon, 22 Sep 2008 14:14:30 -0700 (PDT), saddlebag > [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > > http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=newsarchive&sid=aSKSoiNbnQY0 A) Republicans were the overwhelming majority in gov't in 2005. B) The reference to the Bill in question provided none of its details, so all we know is that the author of this article "says" it would have provided "a regulator power to crack down, and would have required the companies to eliminate their investments in risky assets." Nevertheless, this does appear to have some legitimacy. Far more impressive than blaming some Democratically sponsored anti- discrimination in lending law passed in 1977, I'll give you that. >Nevertheless, this does appear to have some legitimacy. You are doing it wrong. >> On Mon, 22 Sep 2008 14:14:30 -0700 (PDT), saddlebag >> [quoted text clipped - 21 lines] > >Nevertheless, this does appear to have some legitimacy. Far more How's about dees apples : John McCain speaking on the bill in 2006. Was the man right or was he right ? http://www.govtrack.us/congress/record.xpd?id=109-s20060525-16&bill=s109-190 And if you'd like to read the bill http://www.govtrack.us/congress/bill.xpd?bill=s109-190 Have at it. >impressive than blaming some Democratically sponsored anti- >discrimination in lending law passed in 1977, I'll give you that. SignatureClick here every day to feed an animal that needs you today !!! www.theanimalrescuesite.com/ Paul ( pjm @ pobox . com ) - remove spaces to email me 'Some days, it's just not worth chewing through the restraints.' 'With sufficient thrust, pigs fly just fine.' HVAC/R program for Palm PDA's Free demo online at www.pmilligan.net/palm/ Free 'People finder' program now at www.pmilligan.net/finder.htm >Our destination for the night was a hotel at the northern end of the >biggest lake in Italy named Garda. >http://pictures.aol.com/galleries/saddlebag/2e90rGnGKJJXD4ZTL5MXkmEleBKevWJegNxP v4xQp5Fd3Ig=/large/ I find it hard to believe that your wife is shorter than you are. What are the odds? Thanks for the story by the way. > >Our destination for the night was a hotel at the northern end of the > >biggest lake in Italy named Garda. > >http://pictures.aol.com/galleries/saddlebag/2e90rGnGKJJXD4ZTL5MXkmEle... > > I find it hard to believe that your wife is shorter than you are. What > are the odds? You missed the slope of the land. >Hope this twists the arms of some of you fence sitters to get out and >explore the planet beyond your >own backyards. I think you just might enjoy the experience ; ) Coming from the guy who won't actually RIDE his bike anywhere without being led around from 5 star restaurant to 5 star restaurant only near prime riding real estate, thats pretty funny! > >Hope this twists the arms of some of you fence sitters to get out and > >explore the planet beyond your [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > being led around from 5 star restaurant to 5 star restaurant only near > prime riding real estate, thats pretty funny! So, find a nice 5 star restaurant outside your backyard and ride. FWIW, most of those people just have extreme pride in their belongings. It wasn't like we were going anywhere special for coffee or lunch, everyplace along the road is just generally emaculate. However, I was told that our accomodations were better than normal, due to it being done for Rider magazine, which will write a story on the trip. > FWIW, most of those people just have extreme pride in their > belongings. �It wasn't like we were going anywhere special for coffee > or lunch, everyplace along the road is just generally emaculate. That's what *White* countries are like, dude. *White* people (who know who their upper class ancestors were for 30 or 40 generations) take great pride in their country and they manage their property and finances very well. I was talking to an older tourist who described how his Italian immigrant father returned to the town of his birth after many years and was looking at the places he played as a child when the wealthy owner of a local vineyard noticed him and invited him to go back to his estate for coffee and conversation. But the old immigrant was full of American delusions about the supposed "equality" of all men and he started asking the wealthy Italian questions about the social class structure of Italy, and why the rich were so rich and the poor were so poor, and the Italian nobleman withdrew his invitation and showed him the door. > *White* people (who know > who their upper class ancestors were for 30 or 40 generations) take > great pride in their country and they manage their property and > finances very well. "Sub prime mortgages" SignatureBMW K1100LT Ducati 750SS Yamaha XT600E Honda CB400F & SH50 GAGARPHOF#30 GHPOTHUF#1 BOTAFOT#60 The bells, the bells..... On Sep 23, 10:30�am, totallydeadmail...@yahoo.co.uk (The Older Gentleman) wrote: > > *White* people (who know > > who their upper class ancestors were for 30 or 40 generations) take > > great pride in their country and they manage their property and > > finances very well. > > "Sub prime mortgages" Pay attention, Gasbag. White people with *old* money loan it to the banks, a few million here, a few million there. It doesn't matter that the Third World Monkey People default on their sub prime mortages, the rich White people with old money continue to live in their Gilded Age mansions, and when the banks go under, our dear Uncle Sam pays us what the failed banks owe us. > On Sep 23, 10:30 am, totallydeadmail...@yahoo.co.uk (The Older > [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > Pay attention, Gasbag. White people with *old* money loan it to the > banks, a few million here, a few million there. Trouble is, no one is accepting those Civil War notes anymore. > On Sep 23, 10:30�am, totallydeadmail...@yahoo.co.uk (The Older > Gentleman) wrote: [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > live in their Gilded Age mansions, and when the banks go under, our > dear Uncle Sam pays us what the failed banks owe us. What do you mean "us," Krusty? You're just a poor old geezer with a deeply seated superiority complex and a shitload of imaginary upper-class ancestors. But let's assume for a second that you're related to all those feudal lords, statesmen, and explorers you keep hiding behind. What have YOU done that's of any value to anybody? What's your claim to a place in history books? Who's going to remember your name? I thought so. -buzz > the rich White people with old money continue to > live in their Gilded Age mansions Ah, like all those Lehman people suddenly out of work. Ri-ight. SignatureBMW K1100LT Ducati 750SS Yamaha XT600E Honda CB400F & SH50 GAGARPHOF#30 GHPOTHUF#1 BOTAFOT#60 The bells, the bells..... On Sep 23, 10:24�pm, totallydeadmail...@yahoo.co.uk (The Older Gentleman) wrote: > > �the rich White people with old money continue to > > live in their Gilded Age mansions > > Ah, like all those Lehman people suddenly out of work. Ri-ight. Rich White people with old money don't get sacked, they re-arrange their capital and restart their core business which their ancestors did for centuries. My ancestors were into textiles, wool felting and weaving in Flanders and took the industry to Cornwall, where they taught the local peasants to weave, then they took the business to New England where it was central to the economy until the American Civil War cut off the supply of cotton and the economic confusion during Reconstruction cut off credit. Buying money from foreignors to keep an economy running was a bad idea then, and it's a bad idea now. > My ancestors YA-AWN SignatureBMW K1100LT Ducati 750SS Yamaha XT600E Honda CB400F & SH50 GAGARPHOF#30 GHPOTHUF#1 BOTAFOT#60 The bells, the bells..... >> Coming from the guy who won't actually RIDE his bike anywhere >> without >> being led around from 5 star restaurant to 5 star restaurant only >> near >> prime riding real estate, thats pretty funny! >So, find a nice 5 star restaurant outside your backyard and ride. My trip this year was from here to Phoenix....I don't know if Bobs favorite restaurant was 5-star, but it wasn't bad food! And I got see EVERYTHING from HERE to THERE...in TWO directions! >FWIW, most of those people just have extreme pride in their >belongings. It wasn't like we were going anywhere special for coffee >or lunch, everyplace along the road is just generally emaculate. >However, I was told that our accomodations were better than normal, >due to it being done for Rider magazine, which will write a story on >the trip. Some of those scenery pictures were pretty premo. I don't have any real desire to do Europe myself, lately I've been longing for what my mom has, infinite time and still functioning body parts. I can see taking any bike I've got and puttering down every back road in the country, 45 mph, from Key West to Prudhoe. > >> Coming from the guy who won't actually RIDE his bike anywhere > >> without [quoted text clipped - 19 lines] > taking any bike I've got and puttering down every back road in the > country, 45 mph, from Key West to Prudhoe. Yeah, I can hear the old age and functioning body parts vision. But after you've been from the Keyes to the Arctic, it is kind of fun to try something different and mix in some old world culture and mountains of an older ilk. I'd love to ride in Europe again soon, but it was so f'ing expensive I'll have to consider my honeymoon ride a special treat. And don't for get to add Mexico to your list. That KLR would be splendid down in Sierra Tarahumara. >And don't for get to add Mexico to your list. That KLR would be >splendid down in Sierra Tarahumara. I made a rule a long time ago to never go to Mexico. I've been swimming in the Rio Grande and thrown stones into Mexico, but I'm leery of countries where the drug dealers run the joint, the regular people are stupid enough to rely on their rapidly declining oil production as a primary means to support the government budget and refuse to recognize the importance of capital investment, and then bitch at us when we get cranky with their people coming in illegally as though its OUR fault that their system is so crappy. I'll pass on Mexico thanks. But every backroad between Key West and Deadhorse? I'll do all those...sure. saddlebag <saddlebag@aol.com> wrote in news:c71b392f-9370-4737-8cb5- 6187fc7e971a@d77g2000hsb.googlegroups.com: > Yowza! Why they are partnered to > a loser outfit like United Airlines is beyond me. Same reason I suppose KLM is partnered with Northwest. Is there a comparable US airline to the top Eurpean ones? SignatureBob Mann Cap'n, ah need moor pow'r. |
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