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Subject: : Noise Complaint at Luke AFB, AZ Luke AFB is west of Phoenix and is rapidly being surrounded by civilization that complains about the noise from the base and its planes, forgetting that it was there long before they were. A certain lieutenant colonel at Luke AFB deserves a big pat on the back. Apparently, an individual who lives somewhere near Luke AFB wrote the local paper complaining about a group of F-16s that disturbed his/her day at the mall. When that individual read the response from a Luke AFB officer, it must have stung quite a bit. **The complaint:** 'Question of the day for Luke Air Force Base: Whom do we thank for the morning air show? Last Wednesday, at 9:11 a.m, a tight formation of four F-16 jets made a low pass over Arrowhead Mall, continuing west over Bell Road at approximately 500 feet. Imagine our good fortune! Do the Tom Cruise-wannabes feel we need this wake-up call, or were they trying to impress the cashiers at Mervyns early bird special? Any response would be appreciated.' **The response: *** Regarding 'A wake-up call from Luke's jets' (Letters, Thursday): On June 15, at precisely 9:12 a.m., a perfectly timed four-ship fly by of F-16s from the 63rd Fighter Squadron at Luke Air Force Base flew over the grave of Capt. Jeremy Fresques.. Capt. Fresques was an Air Force officer who was previously stationed at Luke Air Force Base and was killed in Iraq on May 30, Memorial Day. At 9 a.m.on June 15, his family and friends gathered at Sunland Memorial Park in Sun City to mourn the loss of a husband, son and friend. Based on the letter writer's recount of the fly by, and because of the jet noise, I'm sure you didn't hear the 21-gun salute, the playing of taps, or my words to the widow and parents of Capt. Fresques as I gave them their son's flag on behalf of the President of the United States and all those veterans and servicemen and women who understand the sacrifices they have endured. A four-ship fly by is a display of respect the Air Force gives to those who give their lives in defense of freedom. We are professional aviators and take our jobs seriously, and on June 15 what the letter writer witnessed was four officers lining up to pay their ultimate respects. The letter writer asks, 'Whom do we thank for the morning air show? The 56th Fighter Wing will make the call for you, and forward your thanks to the widow and parents of Capt. Fresques, and thank them for you, for it was in their honor that my pilots flew the most honorable formation of their lives. Only 2 defining forces have ever offered to die for you.....Jesus Christ, and the American Soldier. One died for your soul, the other for your freedom. Lt. Col. Grant L. Rosensteel, Jr. USAF  SignatureClick here every day to feed an animal that needs you today !!! www.theanimalrescuesite.com/ Paul ( pjm @ pobox . com ) - remove spaces to email me 'Some days, it's just not worth chewing through the restraints.' 'With sufficient thrust, pigs fly just fine.' HVAC/R program for Palm PDA's Free demo online at www.pmilligan.net/palm/ Free 'People finder' program now at www.pmilligan.net/finder.htm <snip a touching letter demonstrating some snarky condescension by an Air Force officer justifying what would earn anyone else a ticket for disturbing the peace.> > Only 2 defining forces have ever offered to die for you.....Jesus > Christ, and the American Soldier. One died for your soul, the > other for your freedom. Perhaps Jesus "offered" to die and go to heaven for you, but Buddha offered to *not* go to heaven, but to return, again and again, to teach. But since Buddhism is not the official religion of the US Air Force, we get a Christian Sunday school lesson instead. SignatureTimberwoof <me at timberwoof dot com> faq: http://www.timberwoof.com/motorcycle/faq.shtml Ten Steps to Fascism: http://www.guardian.co.uk/usa/story/0,,2064157,00.html ><snip a touching letter demonstrating some snarky condescension by an >Air Force officer justifying what would earn anyone else a ticket for [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] >But since Buddhism is not the official religion of the US Air Force, we >get a Christian Sunday school lesson instead. Move to Canada, bitch. plonk again. SignatureClick here every day to feed an animal that needs you today !!! www.theanimalrescuesite.com/ Paul ( pjm @ pobox . com ) - remove spaces to email me 'Some days, it's just not worth chewing through the restraints.' 'With sufficient thrust, pigs fly just fine.' HVAC/R program for Palm PDA's Free demo online at www.pmilligan.net/palm/ Free 'People finder' program now at www.pmilligan.net/finder.htm >><snip a touching letter demonstrating some snarky condescension by an >>Air Force officer justifying what would earn anyone else a ticket for [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > > plonk again. You seem to have a problem with dissenting opinion .p Since the story book says that Jesus died, not voluntarily either as I recall, almost 2000 years ago, I highly doubt that it was for me. While American soldiers may offer to die in the cause of freedom, it has rarely happened in the past 50 or so years. Mainly they have died in powermongering exercises in far off lands which had no intent to take away the freedom of Americans. Becoming involved in other countries civil wars is definitely not in the best interests, let alone the interests of freedom, of the average American. OTOH, I can quite see the point of the quoted article. The base was there first and likely is the main, if not sole, reason for the properity of the neighbouring towns. If possible, it probably would have been better to do this flyover in a less populated area, a more appropriate time or at least with enough publicity that everyone would have known it was coming. SignatureBob Mann Cap'n, ah need moor pow'r. >>><snip a touching letter demonstrating some snarky condescension by an >>>Air Force officer justifying what would earn anyone else a ticket for [quoted text clipped - 17 lines] >Since the story book says that Jesus died, not voluntarily either as I >recall, almost 2000 years ago, I highly doubt that it was for me. Seeing as I'm an atheist, I wouldn't argue the point, nor would it concern me. I never did buy that 'magic all-powerful creature in the sky who talks to you and you can ask him to do things and if you say nice things about him and stroke his eternal infinite ego he'll do what you want' thing. >While American soldiers may offer to die in the cause of freedom, it has >rarely happened in the past 50 or so years. Mainly they have died in [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > >OTOH, I can quite see the point of the quoted article. And my point on the reply here was that the man that died, died in the service of his country, which happens to be my country, and to me that's worthy of respect and thanks, regardless of ones viewpoints on which conflict he was in. And damned if it merits derision by some fat aging old butt-pirate. >The base was there first and likely is the main, if not sole, reason for >the properity of the neighbouring towns. >If possible, it probably would have been better to do this flyover in a >less populated area, a more appropriate time or at least with enough >publicity that everyone would have known it was coming. SignatureClick here every day to feed an animal that needs you today !!! www.theanimalrescuesite.com/ Paul ( pjm @ pobox . com ) - remove spaces to email me 'Some days, it's just not worth chewing through the restraints.' 'With sufficient thrust, pigs fly just fine.' HVAC/R program for Palm PDA's Free demo online at www.pmilligan.net/palm/ Free 'People finder' program now at www.pmilligan.net/finder.htm > Seeing as I'm an atheist, I wouldn't argue the point, nor > would it concern me. I never did buy that 'magic all-powerful > creature in the sky who talks to you and you can ask him to do things > and if you say nice things about him and stroke his eternal infinite > ego he'll do what you want' thing. So does it make you a little uneasy when POTUS speaks with and gets guidance from the lord? :) >> Seeing as I'm an atheist, I wouldn't argue the point, nor >> would it concern me. I never did buy that 'magic all-powerful [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] >So does it make you a little uneasy when POTUS speaks with and gets >guidance from the lord? :) Yes. Not quite as much as when Nobama does it, and he means his 'black liberation church' crap. SignatureClick here every day to feed an animal that needs you today !!! www.theanimalrescuesite.com/ Paul ( pjm @ pobox . com ) - remove spaces to email me 'Some days, it's just not worth chewing through the restraints.' 'With sufficient thrust, pigs fly just fine.' HVAC/R program for Palm PDA's Free demo online at www.pmilligan.net/palm/ Free 'People finder' program now at www.pmilligan.net/finder.htm >>> Seeing as I'm an atheist, I wouldn't argue the point, nor >>> would it concern me. I never did buy that 'magic all-powerful [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > Not quite as much as when Nobama does it, and he means his > 'black liberation church' crap. LOL......I don't see the difference. It doesn't matter if the voice is saying 'hey,man' or 'yo,bro'. >>>> Seeing as I'm an atheist, I wouldn't argue the point, nor >>>> would it concern me. I never did buy that 'magic all-powerful [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] >LOL......I don't see the difference. It doesn't matter if the voice is >saying 'hey,man' or 'yo,bro'. It do to white folk :-) SignatureClick here every day to feed an animal that needs you today !!! www.theanimalrescuesite.com/ Paul ( pjm @ pobox . com ) - remove spaces to email me 'Some days, it's just not worth chewing through the restraints.' 'With sufficient thrust, pigs fly just fine.' HVAC/R program for Palm PDA's Free demo online at www.pmilligan.net/palm/ Free 'People finder' program now at www.pmilligan.net/finder.htm >>>>> Seeing as I'm an atheist, I wouldn't argue the point, nor >>>>> would it concern me. I never did buy that 'magic all-powerful [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > > It do to white folk :-) I'll let you know when he (she/it?) speaks to me.......I hope he doesn't sound like a woman. :) >>>>>> Seeing as I'm an atheist, I wouldn't argue the point, nor >>>>>> would it concern me. I never did buy that 'magic all-powerful [quoted text clipped - 17 lines] >I'll let you know when he (she/it?) speaks to me.......I hope he doesn't >sound like a woman. :) For your sake, I hope he doesn't have a fleece :-) SignatureClick here every day to feed an animal that needs you today !!! www.theanimalrescuesite.com/ Paul ( pjm @ pobox . com ) - remove spaces to email me 'Some days, it's just not worth chewing through the restraints.' 'With sufficient thrust, pigs fly just fine.' HVAC/R program for Palm PDA's Free demo online at www.pmilligan.net/palm/ Free 'People finder' program now at www.pmilligan.net/finder.htm >>>>>>> Seeing as I'm an atheist, I wouldn't argue the point, nor >>>>>>> would it concern me. I never did buy that 'magic all-powerful [quoted text clipped - 17 lines] > > For your sake, I hope he doesn't have a fleece :-) If he does he'd better hope I don't get up there! (sharpening carving knife, looking for mint sauce) > >>>>>>> Seeing as I'm an atheist, I wouldn't argue the point, nor > >>>>>>> would it concern me. I never did buy that 'magic all-powerful [quoted text clipped - 22 lines] > > - Show quoted text - Wrong sauce, that's long pig you'd be carving. Better a BBQ sauce of some sort. That or a nice rub down with olive oil (don't use virgin) kosher salt and a bit of rosemary and lots of garlic. 325F for 45min appx Cover or not as you choose. mmmm, tender, juicy and oh so delicious. That is an old family receipe for long pig. -- Keith >>>>>>>>> Seeing as I'm an atheist, I wouldn't argue the point, nor >>>>>>>>> would it concern me. I never did buy that 'magic all-powerful [quoted text clipped - 26 lines] > -- > Keith The long pork would go in a hangi. .p. was referring to god being a sheep, hence the mint sauce. >>>>>>>>>> Seeing as I'm an atheist, I wouldn't argue the point, nor >>>>>>>>>> would it concern me. I never did buy that 'magic all-powerful [quoted text clipped - 19 lines] >> Wrong sauce, that's long pig you'd be carving. Better a BBQ sauce of >> some sort. That or a nice rub down with olive oil (don't use virgin) Why not just go over to your new neighbors on the Muslim side of Celestial St and borrow some ? >> kosher salt and a bit of rosemary and lots of garlic. 325F for 45min >> appx Cover or not as you choose. [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] >The long pork would go in a hangi. .p. was referring to god being a >sheep, hence the mint sauce. SignatureClick here every day to feed an animal that needs you today !!! www.theanimalrescuesite.com/ Paul ( pjm @ pobox . com ) - remove spaces to email me 'Some days, it's just not worth chewing through the restraints.' 'With sufficient thrust, pigs fly just fine.' HVAC/R program for Palm PDA's Free demo online at www.pmilligan.net/palm/ Free 'People finder' program now at www.pmilligan.net/finder.htm > >>>>>>>>> Seeing as I'm an atheist, I wouldn't argue the point, nor > >>>>>>>>> would it concern me. I never did buy that 'magic all-powerful [quoted text clipped - 31 lines] > > - Show quoted text - Mint sauce? How pedestrian. Keep more variety of spices on hand than foods and don't be afraid to ignore tradition. Hell don't be afraid to tell tradition to go f.ck it's self with a barb wire wraped fence post!, -- Keith > >LOL......I don't see the difference. It doesn't matter if the voice is > >saying 'hey,man' or 'yo,bro'. > > It do to white folk :-) Only to the white folks with red necks. > > Seeing as I'm an atheist, I wouldn't argue the point, nor > > would it concern me. I never did buy that 'magic all-powerful [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > So does it make you a little uneasy when POTUS speaks with and gets > guidance from the lord? :) No worse than any other cultist when they carry on. ;^) -- Keith >You seem to have a problem with dissenting opinion .p >Since the story book says that Jesus died, not voluntarily either as I >recall, almost 2000 years ago, I highly doubt that it was for me. It woudl really have to classed as a suicide, I think. I mean, if he KNEW in advance that he was goingt o be 'killed', and did nothing to prevent it, in fact went to it willingly ...... Then again, he also 'knew', according to the story, that it was only for a couple of days, then he'd be alive again. So, it was more like a 3 day nap, really. So, maybe he 'took a 3 day nap for us'. I dunno. I mean - if I meet some homeless guy, and give him the very last dollar in my wallet, I could say 'I gave him my last dollar' - but does it really count if I knew I was going to have to stop at the ATM on the way home anyway and get some more ? SignatureClick here every day to feed an animal that needs you today !!! www.theanimalrescuesite.com/ Paul ( pjm @ pobox . com ) - remove spaces to email me 'Some days, it's just not worth chewing through the restraints.' 'With sufficient thrust, pigs fly just fine.' HVAC/R program for Palm PDA's Free demo online at www.pmilligan.net/palm/ Free 'People finder' program now at www.pmilligan.net/finder.htm On Sep 27, 11:49 pm, Timberwoof <timberwoof.s...@infernosoft.com> wrote: > In article <pnusd4tvu52the9m7huoort36t6s4p2...@4ax.com>, > > <snip a touching letter demonstrating some snarky condescension by an > Air Force officer justifying what would earn anyone else a ticket for > disturbing the peace.> So I guess you want them to CLOSE Luke AFB? After all it's noisy and bothers the overly sensitive types. Even though it was there before all teh houses and whiny people moved in. It's the same cry baby attitude that get's a race track closed. Even though it's been their for decades before some idiot moved in and started bitching... > > Only 2 defining forces have ever offered to die for you.....Jesus > > Christ, and the American Soldier. One died for your soul, the [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > But since Buddhism is not the official religion of the US Air Force, we > get a Christian Sunday school lesson instead. Since Buddhism isn't a religion at it's core...what's your point. On Sep 28, 1:49 am, Timberwoof <timberwoof.s...@infernosoft.com> wrote: > In article <pnusd4tvu52the9m7huoort36t6s4p2...@4ax.com>, > > <snip a touching letter demonstrating some snarky condescension by an > Air Force officer justifying what would earn anyone else a ticket for > disturbing the peace.> C'mon Timber, don't be bringing logic into an Conservative emotional outburst. > > Only 2 defining forces have ever offered to die for you.....Jesus > > Christ, and the American Soldier. One died for your soul, the [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > But since Buddhism is not the official religion of the US Air Force, we > get a Christian Sunday school lesson instead. Freedom, in America? BWHAHAHAHA!!! > On Sep 28, 1:49 am, Timberwoof <timberwoof.s...@infernosoft.com> > wrote: [quoted text clipped - 18 lines] > > Freedom, in America? BWHAHAHAHA!!! We dream can't we... Long as we don't actually TRY to have freedom. -- keith In article <b169ab19-9dcd-48db-9ec1-5bfdfe2f3c4f@b30g2000prf.googlegroups.com>, > > On Sep 28, 1:49 am, Timberwoof <timberwoof.s...@infernosoft.com> > > wrote: [quoted text clipped - 20 lines] > > We dream can't we... Long as we don't actually TRY to have freedom. No, those who try to have freedom get corralled into special "freedom-of-speech" zones. SignatureTimberwoof <me at timberwoof dot com> faq: http://www.timberwoof.com/motorcycle/faq.shtml On Sep 29, 1:29 pm, Timberwoof <timberwoof.s...@infernosoft.com> wrote: > In article > <b169ab19-9dcd-48db-9ec1-5bfdfe2f3...@b30g2000prf.googlegroups.com>, [quoted text clipped - 26 lines] > No, those who try to have freedom get corralled into special > "freedom-of-speech" zones. Yes, sheep get corraled quiet easily. But mean old goats that have been roped ain't so easy to corral much less rope...they tend to push back if you piss them off. -- Keith >Yes, sheep get corraled quiet easily. But mean old goats that have >been roped ain't so easy to corral much less rope...they tend to push >back if you piss them off. Like David Koresh? > >Yes, sheep get corraled quiet easily. But mean old goats that have > >been roped ain't so easy to corral much less rope...they tend to push > >back if you piss them off. > > Like David Koresh? ?OH the old ram that used to lead a cult. SHEEP can never stand for themselves...those were sheep. GFH horns are long, sharp and accurate. -- Keith GFH since 1988. "what bullet hole" > No, those who try to have freedom get corralled into special > "freedom-of-speech" zones. I thought those were called "HOV lanes". > > No, those who try to have freedom get corralled into special > > "freedom-of-speech" zones. > > I thought those were called "HOV lanes". You misspelt "MOV" lane. *Motorcycle ONLY lane 8^) -- Keith >>> No, those who try to have freedom get corralled into special >>> "freedom-of-speech" zones. [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > *Motorcycle ONLY lane 8^) Those are called Bicycle Lanes here. Bicyclists are often referred to as as 'speed bumps' by the pickup-drivin' cognoscenti. > Only 2 defining forces have ever offered to die for you.....Jesus > Christ, and the American Soldier. One died for your soul, the > other for your freedom. > > Lt. Col. Grant L. Rosensteel, Jr. USAF http://www.snopes.com/politics/military/wakeup.asp Alas for you, Grant Rosensteel isn't a real person, nor did anyone in the Air Force write the above paragraph. It's just another of those religious right wing distortions/web hoaxes that invariably pop up just before elections. (Were it three weeks closer to the election, the hoaxer would be claiming that it was Obama who phoned in the complaint.) Such trash is designed specifically to suck in credulous idiots such as yourself, and it looks like they hooked you good and solid. > > Only 2 defining forces have ever offered to die for you.....Jesus > > Christ, and the American Soldier. One died for your soul, the [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > Such trash is designed specifically to suck in credulous idiots such > as yourself, and it looks like they hooked you good and solid. I guess it would be if all one cared about in the world was politcs and cults...I for one have more important things focusing my concerns. The primary concern of the post is more important than petty concerns about power over others (politics) or whose cult is right and whose is wrong. <cocks head to the right> I mean really who cares about power and petty gods when you have people telling you that just because they moved in next door and want to run you off becuase they don't believe you should keep doing what you do. Whether it's an airport, race track etc. Petty cry babies that move in knowingly next to such places ought to just leave. If you don't like noise WHY move in next door to an airport. If you don't like smell why move next to a feed lot or dump and so on and so forth. These type of people are the Not In My BackYard types. They are the reason there hasn't been a oil refinery built in over 20 years. They are the reason no new reactors or modern power stations have built in decades. I can't stand these selfish, petty, pointless people. -- Keith > > Such trash is designed specifically to suck in credulous idiots such > > as yourself, and it looks like they hooked you good and solid. > > I guess it would be if all one cared about in the world was politcs > and cults...I for one have more important things focusing my concerns. Bullshit. You got sucked in just like .p and just don't want to admit it. If you'd looked at the real story in Snopes you wouldn't still be pissed at the guy who wrote the complaint because you'd know that the Air Force officers who replied to his letter did so politely, explaining what the jets were doing, and he (the complainer) wrote an abject public apology in reply to them. In real life, complaints about jet noise are a fact of everyday life, and sometimes they're justified and sometimes they're not. (For instance; the Navy guys who used to fly fighters up through the Kern Trench Wilderness Area at near supersonic speeds and at only a couple of hundred feet of altitude are a good example of noise complaints that were fully justified. Last I heard, that ended when the China Lake base commander put his foot down.) > > > Such trash is designed specifically to suck in credulous idiots such > > > as yourself, and it looks like they hooked you good and solid. [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > explaining what the jets were doing, and he (the complainer) wrote an > abject public apology in reply to them. It was an old story. I am focusing on one thing and one thing only. I already explained the what and why. Morons that move in next door to a place that is inherently loud and can't help it that the noise travels. You know train yards, race tracks, airports etc... > In real life, complaints about jet noise are a fact of everyday life, > and sometimes they're justified and sometimes they're not. (For [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > that were fully justified. Last I heard, that ended when the China > Lake base commander put his foot down.) Yep dip sh.ts could have stuffed the plane into the ground for no good reason. You do recall that this thing came up a couple of years ago right? Same everything. Unlike everyone else I focused on one thing and one thing only. P is just being his usuall stupid non-rider, non-thinking self. HHH thinks more than P imo. -- Keith |
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