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Motorcycle Forum / General / Motorcycles / December 2008It's not just GM/Ford/Chrysler
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/11/19/business/economy/19ports.html?_r=1 Me? I'm looking into raising chickens in the backyard. We do pretty well with the garden, how hard can it be to raise a few chickens for eggs and meat? > http://www.nytimes.com/2008/11/19/business/economy/19ports.html?_r=1 > > Me? I'm looking into raising chickens in the backyard. We do pretty > well with the garden, how hard can it be to raise a few chickens for > eggs and meat? Been doing it for years. Works fine (and keeps bugs out of the garden as well) so long as the neighborhood dogs and/or coyotes can't get into your yard. We lost a couple of geese to a bobcat as well, but that's what you get for living out in the sagebrush. > >http://www.nytimes.com/2008/11/19/business/economy/19ports.html?_r=1 > [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > We lost a couple of geese to a bobcat as well, but that's what you get > for living out in the sagebrush. That's why we have working dogs. A dog for each job...security, herding etc. Haven't found a breed that brews beer yet but I'm looking for one. -- Keith > > >http://www.nytimes.com/2008/11/19/business/economy/19ports.html?_r=1 > [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > -- > Keith I live in 1940s suburbia, small single story brick homes. 1/4 acre lots. All fenced. And I have 4 dogs [1]. What could go wrong? Besides code violations? [1] If by work you mean eating, sleeping and barking at the mail man. > I live in 1940s suburbia, small single story brick homes. 1/4 acre > lots. All fenced. And I have 4 dogs [1]. What could go wrong? Besides > code violations? Well, the dogs *could* eat the chickens. They do that, you know. > > > >http://www.nytimes.com/2008/11/19/business/economy/19ports.html?_r=1 > [quoted text clipped - 18 lines] > lots. All fenced. And I have 4 dogs [1]. What could go wrong? Besides > code violations? I just have a double lot, detached garage (two cars OR 4+motorcycles) full basement huge deck out front. > [1] If by work you mean eating, sleeping and barking at the mail man. No I mean REAL work like herding, property protection, personal protection, security, mental hygiene, venison bone disposal etc. -- Keith >>>> http://www.nytimes.com/2008/11/19/business/economy/19ports.html?_r=1 >>>> Me? I'm looking into raising chickens in the backyard. We do pretty [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] > > [1] If by work you mean eating, sleeping and barking at the mail man. Raccoons. Or whatever the NZ equivalent of raccoons is. > > >http://www.nytimes.com/2008/11/19/business/economy/19ports.html?_r=1 > [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > > That's why we have working dogs. So do we. But a startled bobcat can cover the fifty yards to our fence faster than a dog* can cover the same distance. *Yes, this includes our greyhounds. (Whippets are even quicker over short sprints, but you don't want one closing with a bobcat...) > > > >http://www.nytimes.com/2008/11/19/business/economy/19ports.html?_r=1 > [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > So do we. But a startled bobcat can cover the fifty yards to our fence > faster than a dog* can cover the same distance. True, but the bobcat wouldn't even consider getting on in our yard. We're more likely to see cougar or coyote. Though neither have come to our part of town in a while. Grizzly and black bear are possible though unlikely. BUT if any of the above were stupid enough...I've one dog that could deal with the issue no problem. The grizzly he'd run off, the rest die if they get stupid. I linked his pictures some time back...want to see a refresher? > *Yes, this includes our greyhounds. (Whippets are even quicker over > short sprints, but you don't want one closing with a bobcat...) I dunno I've seen greyhounds run down a healthy coyote. Not something I reccomend watching. Think 5 little girls fighting over a barbi and each has a limb or the head. eww -- Keith > I dunno I've seen greyhounds run down a healthy coyote. Not something > I reccomend watching. Think 5 little girls fighting over a barbi and > each has a limb or the head. eww Yeah, people make the mistake of thinking those big skinny dogs must be wimps, forgetting that they were bred to run down and kill semi-big game such as deer and antelope; and that they've lost neither the skills nor the instincts. At 80 pounds, my male Greyhound used to beat the crap out of our neighbor's 110 pound German Sheperd "Sparky" whenever he'd come wandering into our yard. Sparky, being so inbred that he was *born* with displasia, was never bright enough to learn to stay in his own territory. Good Greyhound story: One day I was hiking out in the canyon behind our home, with our 3 greyhounds ranging about 50 yards ahead of me; looking for trouble. A cotton-tail suddenly broke cover and headed up the side of a hogback ridge, with the dogs about 40 yards behind; stretched out in line abreast, and closing fast. The cotton-tail beat the dogs to the ridge-line by about twenty yards, soared over it, pivoted hard left into a bush, and froze. The dogs -who couldn't see where the rabbit had gone from their viewpoint- cleared the ridge still under hard acceleration and covered about another 50 yards in a straight line before it occurred to them that there was no longer any visible prey out in front of them.....and slowed to a confused halt; casting about unsuccessfully to see where he'd gone. Meanwhile, Brer Rabbit slipped off into the dense brush; no doubt thinking "Dumb-a.s dogs!" to himself. So if you've ever wondered why it is that Brer Rabbit hasn't been hunted to extinction by Brer Coyote, now you know: Brer Rabbit isn't totally brainless. SNIP > Meanwhile, Brer Rabbit slipped off into the dense brush; no doubt > thinking "Dumb-a.s dogs!" to himself. lol, I think you'd agree that if they'd been trained to course hare it wouldn't have come out that way. Though I suppose I could be wrong...I don't know how bright the dogs were. ;^) > So if you've ever wondered why it is that Brer Rabbit hasn't been > hunted to extinction by Brer Coyote, now you know: Brer Rabbit isn't > totally brainless. Naw Bre'r Rabbit isn't that smart he just has the one redeeming personality trait that good officers have. He's cunning! -- Keith > http://www.nytimes.com/2008/11/19/business/economy/19ports.html?_r=1 > > Me? I'm looking into raising chickens in the backyard. We do pretty > well with the garden, how hard can it be to raise a few chickens for > eggs and meat? Thanks for the link. The article is sobering. Since I'm a control systems guy from way back, I find a couple of the ramifications ugly. First, economic output seems unstable once you get outside of a normal range. Once you get outside of a normal range and people begin to fear for their futures, they cut back on spending. This causes more job losses, causing more people to fear for their futures, causing even less spending, causing even more job losses, etc. That spiral isn't cool. Second, there are some really large time delays and possibly non-linear elements in the system. All those vehicles on the dock ... even when demand increases, it will be a while before that causes a production increase. The chicken idea looks good. Myself, I'm going to bury Spam, Twinkies, and gold coins at random locations in Michigan. They have an unlimited shelf life. The Lizard > The chicken idea looks good. Myself, I'm going to bury Spam, Twinkies, > and gold coins at random locations in Michigan. They have an unlimited > shelf life. 5.56 NATO is better currency. You can spend it, or you can barter it. Either way, I'll have your spam. Twinkies? > > The chicken idea looks good. Myself, I'm going to bury Spam, Twinkies, > > and gold coins at random locations in Michigan. They have an unlimited [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > Twinkies? Well, I don't *think* he was being personal... >> The chicken idea looks good. Myself, I'm going to bury Spam, Twinkies, >> and gold coins at random locations in Michigan. They have an unlimited [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > Twinkies? I'm not sure which side of which ocean you're on. I'm referring to Hostess Twinkies--those little cake snacks. They can also advise one in difficult situations (kind of an AI device), see: http://www.twinkiesproject.com/turing.html Although they fail the Turing test, I feel that the methods employed were flawed. The Lizard > http://www.nytimes.com/2008/11/19/business/economy/19ports.html?_r=1 > > Me? I'm looking into raising chickens in the backyard. We do pretty > well with the garden, how hard can it be to raise a few chickens for > eggs and meat? I don't know. Will you be flying to Washington to seek low interest federal loans for your capitalization needs? (If so, one piece of advice: fly commercial, leave your private jet at home!) ;-) >> http://www.nytimes.com/2008/11/19/business/economy/19ports.html?_r=1 >> [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > >;-) One of the funny things about today's (or technically, yesterday's) discourse was that there was speculation that GM's company policy had them flying private jets for safety reasons. I believe the stats say that your typical Southwest or Northwest commercial flight is safer than a small jet flight. I don't understand the phrase "safety" in that context. Except for Air Force One, commercial flights are as safe as it gets. I think. http://www.csmonitor.com/2004/1206/p02s02-usgn.html The Lizard > One of the funny things about today's (or technically, yesterday's) > discourse was that there was speculation that GM's company policy > had them flying private jets for safety reasons. > I believe the stats say that your typical Southwest or Northwest > commercial flight is safer than a small jet flight. I don't > understand the phrase "safety" in that context. It may have something to do with unreasonable search and seizure. I imagine these folks carry company proprietary info on their persons. It could mean, OTOH, that they are at less risk of contracting communicable diseases than when boarding a commercial flight.  Signature.. Be Seeing You, .. Chuck Rhode, Sheboygan, WI, USA .. Weather: http://LacusVeris.com/WX .. 30° — Wind NNW 21 mph >> One of the funny things about today's (or technically, yesterday's) >> discourse was that there was speculation that GM's company policy [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > It could mean, OTOH, that they are at less risk of contracting > communicable diseases than when boarding a commercial flight. Every year 400 or so executives are kidnapped in the US (and a lot more than that worldwide). Travelling on a commercial airliner means pretty much abandoning security for part of the trip, and their security team may arrive at the destination without their weapons (thanks to their being pilfered from checked baggage by the TSA). Not an issue on a private flight. Then there's the whole issue of efficient use of time. No hour standing in line going through security, no changing planes in Atlanta, etc. And there's a control issue--no having some stranger rummage through your baggage, no arriving with just the clothes on your back, etc. In any case, if you run the numbers comparing first class tickets for several people with operating costs for a bizjet I think you'll find that if there are several people travelling (like exec, secretary, corporate counsel, and security team) it breaks even pretty fast. Signature-- --John to email, dial "usenet" and validate (was jclarke at eye bee em dot net) > Except for Air Force One, commercial flights are as safe as it gets. > I think. I should mention that Sheboygan County has no commercial air passenger service. However, the airport does a land-office business in private service for a number of big companies headquartered here. It has been expanding (in runway length and hangar capacity), which is quite a stunt for airports in general. Signature.. Be Seeing You, .. Chuck Rhode, Sheboygan, WI, USA .. Weather: http://LacusVeris.com/WX .. 30° — Wind NNW 21 mph >> http://www.nytimes.com/2008/11/19/business/economy/19ports.html?_r=1 >> [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > > ;-) Fly private planes. Ask for a hand out. Proclaim that the corporate jets are non-negotiable. Have the vote on free money canceled and get sent packing. With attitudes like that they deserve to fail. > tomor...@erols.com wrote: > >>http://www.nytimes.com/2008/11/19/business/economy/19ports.html?_r=1 [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > jets are non-negotiable. Have the vote on free money canceled and get > sent packing. With attitudes like that they deserve to fail. Other than the "free money" part, you are spot on. The funny thing is that all the people excoriating them are as guilty of high flying excesses (without producing anything of value) as they are. Kathy Lee, on this morning's talks shows, for one. Never saw anything funnier than her whiny a.s complaints that those auto executives just get paid WAY too much money! > http://www.nytimes.com/2008/11/19/business/economy/19ports.html?_r=1 > > Me? I'm looking into raising chickens in the backyard. We do pretty > well with the garden, how hard can it be to raise a few chickens for > eggs and meat? We have three. We bought one of these: http://www.omlet.co.uk/products_services/products_services.php?view=Chickens Genius contraption. It is utterly fox-proof, and God knows the buggers have tried. I dunno if there's an equivalent product in the US. The company has been written up in the main papers here, because they're making *millions*. One of our chooks is too old to lay now, but we keep her anyway, as she rules the roost and keeps the other two in order. We get an egg per day per bird, except sometimes in the depths of winter. They're very therapeutic, somehow. They're also as stupid as it's possible to be without actually stopping breathing. Great fun. All the local cats have tried their luck because, well, they know what chicken is, and these things, ipso facto, smell of.... well, chicken. They have all discovered that the chooks have very sharp beaks and work together. It's always amusing when there's a new cat in town, and it hasn't had the word yet, and comes into the garden to have a go at a ready-made chicken dinner. > http://www.omlet.co.uk/products_services/products_services.php?view=Chickens > Genius contraption. It is utterly fox-proof, and God knows the > buggers have tried. ... It's always amusing when there's a new cat > in town, and it hasn't had the word yet, and comes into the garden > to have a go at a ready-made chicken dinner. I can readily appreciate that the Eglu is fox-proof. It seems to me that the hens would thereby be prevented from harassing wayward cats. o Do you let the chickens out at times? o Don't you have any municipal-code authorities on the prowl ... or meddlesome neighbors to maintain community standards? Signature.. Be Seeing You, .. Chuck Rhode, Sheboygan, WI, USA .. Weather: http://LacusVeris.com/WX .. 30° — Wind NNW 21 mph > o Do you let the chickens out at times? Yes > o Don't you have any municipal-code authorities on the prowl ... or > meddlesome neighbors to maintain community standards? It's not illegal SignatureBMW K1100LT Ducati 750SS Yamaha XTZ660 Tenere Honda CB400F CB250N SH50 chateau dot murray at idnet dot com "What you're proposing to do will involve a lot of time and hassle for no tangible benefit." > It's not illegal <splutter>Well ... what about the possibility of poultry viruses crossing the species barrier?</splutter> Signature.. Be Seeing You, .. Chuck Rhode, Sheboygan, WI, USA .. Weather: http://LacusVeris.com/WX .. 23° — Wind NNW 17 mph — Sky overcast. "BryanUT" <> wrote in message > Me? I'm looking into raising chickens in the backyard. We do pretty> well with the garden, how hard can it be to raise a few chickens for> eggs and meat? Most people get a dog or cat for their kids, I got the each of the girls a chicken when they were little. The egg part was good (from the female, Chickadee) but the male (Rooster Cogburn) crowed every morning before the sun came up. Got a couple more chickens after that but never got around to culling them for meat. A couple of them actually liked being held and petted. They made a soft cooing sound. We lived outside of Green Bay, Wisconsin at the time and had a dog (lab, doberman, something mix) who would run out and round them up into the barn at night. He tried that with the horses too but ended up getting chased by them. Sue Minocqua, WI Yamaha '00 VStar 650 '04 TW200 (mud = fun) Kawasaki '95 Vulcan 1500 V#15937 Feminine Protection: Light days - Glock 27 w/ Crimson Trace Heavy days - Ruger Redhawk .44 mag On 20 Nov, 12:21, "Susan \(CobbersMom\)" <dittohead1...@yahoo.com> wrote: > Rooster Cogburn *Splendid* name for a cockerel "TOG@Toil" <> wrote in message > *Splendid* name for a cockerel Daughter was about 8 years old and I don't recall any of us being a John Wayne fan but somehow she came up with it. Go figure, but yes, it was a good name. Hated him tho... He was a small rooster and the girls would chase him until he'd turn on them and chase back. Sue Minocqua, WI Yamaha '00 VStar 650 '04 TW200 (mud = fun) Kawasaki '95 Vulcan 1500 V#15937 Feminine Protection: Light days - Glock 27 w/ Crimson Trace Heavy days - Ruger Redhawk .44 mag > "TOG@Toil" <> wrote in message > *Splendid* name for a cockerel > [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > Light days - Glock 27 w/ Crimson Trace > Heavy days - Ruger Redhawk .44 mag Quincy: I don't know any Ned Pepper. What's he look like? Rooster: Short, feisty fella. He's got a messed-up lower lip. I shot him in it. Quincy: In the lip? What was you aiming at? Rooster: His upper lip. > Quincy: I don't know any Ned Pepper. What's he look like? > Rooster: Short, feisty fella. He's got a messed-up lower lip. I > shot him in it. > Quincy: In the lip? What was you aiming at? > Rooster: His upper lip. One of my *favourite* westerns. Along with Cat Ballou. SignatureBMW K1100LT Ducati 750SS Yamaha XTZ660 Tenere Honda CB400F CB250N SH50 chateau dot murray at idnet dot com "What you're proposing to do will involve a lot of time and hassle for no tangible benefit." >> Quincy: I don't know any Ned Pepper. What's he look like? >> Rooster: Short, feisty fella. He's got a messed-up lower lip. [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > One of my *favourite* westerns. Along with Cat Ballou. Amen. "Rat writ writ for a rat" still cracks me up every time. Signature-- --John to email, dial "usenet" and validate (was jclarke at eye bee em dot net) >> Quincy: I don't know any Ned Pepper. What's he look like? >> Rooster: Short, feisty fella. He's got a messed-up lower lip. I [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > One of my *favourite* westerns. Along with Cat Ballou. Back when movies didn't just rely on special effects. Don't think I've seen Cat Ballou (but now it's on my list)....funniest Western for me has to be Blazing Saddles. > Back when movies didn't just rely on special effects. > Don't think I've seen Cat Ballou (but now it's on my list)....funniest > Western for me has to be Blazing Saddles. Come on, boys! The way you're lollygaggin' around here with them picks and them shovels, you'd think it was a hunnert'n twenty degrees. Can't be more than a hunnert'n fourteen. >> Back when movies didn't just rely on special effects. >> Don't think I've seen Cat Ballou (but now it's on my list)....funniest [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] >and them shovels, you'd think it was a hunnert'n twenty degrees. Can't >be more than a hunnert'n fourteen. ( visions of Brobama's Inaugural dancing in my head ) Wait a minute while I whip this out .... SignatureClick here every day to feed an animal that needs you today !!! www.theanimalrescuesite.com/ Paul ( pjm @ pobox . com ) - remove spaces to email me 'Some days, it's just not worth chewing through the restraints.' 'With sufficient thrust, pigs fly just fine.' HVAC/R program for Palm PDA's Free demo online at www.pmilligan.net/palm/ Free 'People finder' program now at www.pmilligan.net/finder.htm "Number 6?" I'm afraid I'm not familiar with that one.... Well, that's where we go a-ridin' into town, a whompin' and a whalin' on every livin' thing that moves. Except the women folks, of course. You spare the women? NAW. We rape the sh.t out of them at the Number 6 Dance later on. Signature.. Be Seeing You, .. Chuck Rhode, Sheboygan, WI, USA .. Weather: http://LacusVeris.com/WX .. 23° — Wind NNW 17 mph — Sky overcast. > Back when movies didn't just rely on special effects. > Don't think I've seen Cat Ballou (but now it's on my list)....funniest > Western for me has to be Blazing Saddles. I never found it funny. Guess it must be just me. SignatureBMW K1100LT Ducati 750SS Yamaha XTZ660 Tenere Honda CB400F CB250N SH50 chateau dot murray at idnet dot com "What you're proposing to do will involve a lot of time and hassle for no tangible benefit." >> Back when movies didn't just rely on special effects. >> Don't think I've seen Cat Ballou (but now it's on my list)....funniest >> Western for me has to be Blazing Saddles. > > I never found it funny. Guess it must be just me. For me there is a huge difference between American and English humor. The poms will just do/say stupid stuff with a straight face, where the yanks chuck in more slapstick and push the joke too far until it's almost painful, rather than funny. But, that could be just me too. I used to stay up late and listen to "This is the BBC.....presenting...The Goon Show". TV had the likes of Benny Hill, Morcombe and Wise,Porridge,The Two Ronnies, Dave Allen at large with Kenny Everret, Red dwarf,Black Books coming along later. Can't remember the name of the show, but Archie Bunker and his wife Eduth?...harsh but funny...Bill Cosby's a funny man, Cheers, a couple of the sit-com type comedies were a copy of earlier pommie series. Sienfield makes my skin crawl. I think I've spent too much time in front of the telly...... :) > For me there is a huge difference between American and English humor. > The poms will just do/say stupid stuff with a straight face, where the > yanks chuck in more slapstick and push the joke too far until it's > almost painful, rather than funny. Two words: Benny Hill. >>> Back when movies didn't just rely on special effects. >>> Don't think I've seen Cat Ballou (but now it's on my list)....funniest [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] >Can't remember the name of the show, but Archie Bunker and his wife >Eduth?...harsh but funny... That's Edith, meathead. >Bill Cosby's a funny man, Cheers, a couple of >the sit-com type comedies were a copy of earlier pommie series. >Sienfield makes my skin crawl. > >I think I've spent too much time in front of the telly...... :) SignatureClick here every day to feed an animal that needs you today !!! www.theanimalrescuesite.com/ Paul ( pjm @ pobox . com ) - remove spaces to email me 'Some days, it's just not worth chewing through the restraints.' 'With sufficient thrust, pigs fly just fine.' HVAC/R program for Palm PDA's Free demo online at www.pmilligan.net/palm/ Free 'People finder' program now at www.pmilligan.net/finder.htm >>>> Back when movies didn't just rely on special effects. >>>> Don't think I've seen Cat Ballou (but now it's on my list)....funniest [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] > > That's Edith, meathead. Glad you figured that one out all by yourself, you'll make pet detective one day. If you look, 'i' & 'u' are next to each other and maybe you could have figured out it was a typo......? >> Bill Cosby's a funny man, Cheers, a couple of >> the sit-com type comedies were a copy of earlier pommie series. >> Sienfield makes my skin crawl. >> >> I think I've spent too much time in front of the telly...... :) >>> Can't remember the name of the show, but Archie Bunker and his wife >>> Eduth?...harsh but funny... [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] >Glad you figured that one out all by yourself, you'll make pet detective >one day. Just call me Ace. >If you look, 'i' & 'u' are next to each other and maybe you could have >figured out it was a typo......? And if you remembered the show, you should recall that 'meathead' was Archie's favorite tag line, as well as his 'pet name' for his son-in-law :-) >>> Bill Cosby's a funny man, Cheers, a couple of >>> the sit-com type comedies were a copy of earlier pommie series. >>> Sienfield makes my skin crawl. >>> >>> I think I've spent too much time in front of the telly...... :) The one with the penguin on it ? SignatureClick here every day to feed an animal that needs you today !!! www.theanimalrescuesite.com/ Paul ( pjm @ pobox . com ) - remove spaces to email me 'Some days, it's just not worth chewing through the restraints.' 'With sufficient thrust, pigs fly just fine.' HVAC/R program for Palm PDA's Free demo online at www.pmilligan.net/palm/ Free 'People finder' program now at www.pmilligan.net/finder.htm >>>> I think I've spent too much time in front of the telly...... :) > > The one with the penguin on it ? > No, the penguin exploded. I'm tired of all this sex on the telly. I mean, I keep falling off. Signature"Outback" Jon - KC2BNE outback_jon@ver.no.sp.am.izon.net AMD Opteron 165 (@2.5) and 6.1 GHz of other AMD power... http://folding.stanford.edu - got folding? Team 53560 2006 ZG1000A Concours "Blueline" COG# 7385 CDA# 0157 On Thu, 20 Nov 2008 22:35:00 -0500, .p.jm wrote: >>>> I think I've spent too much time in front of the telly...... :) > The one with the penguin on it ? Mark Olson made me post this: o "The Death of Mary, Queen of Scots." _Monty Python's Flying Circus_. BBC. 24 Nov. 1970. 21 Sept. 2007 <http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1k1ccguXiws&mode=related&search=>. Signature.. Be Seeing You, .. Chuck Rhode, Sheboygan, WI, USA .. Weather: http://LacusVeris.com/WX .. 19° — Wind NNW 17 mph > On Thu, 20 Nov 2008 22:35:00 -0500, .p.jm wrote: > >>>> I think I've spent too much time in front of the telly...... :) [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > o "The Death of Mary, Queen of Scots." _Monty Python's Flying The Death of John Denver was funnier... -- Keith >I think I've spent too much time in front of the telly...... :) How long is your shift as a remote control, anyway ? SignatureClick here every day to feed an animal that needs you today !!! www.theanimalrescuesite.com/ Paul ( pjm @ pobox . com ) - remove spaces to email me 'Some days, it's just not worth chewing through the restraints.' 'With sufficient thrust, pigs fly just fine.' HVAC/R program for Palm PDA's Free demo online at www.pmilligan.net/palm/ Free 'People finder' program now at www.pmilligan.net/finder.htm > >> Quincy: I don't know any Ned Pepper. What's he look like? > >> Rooster: Short, feisty fella. He's got a messed-up lower lip. I [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > Don't think I've seen Cat Ballou (but now it's on my list)....funniest > Western for me has to be Blazing Saddles. WHAT IN THE WIDE WIDE WORLD OF SPORTS IS GOING ON HERE? Y'all are dancing around like a bunch of Kansas city faggots! or my eldest spawns ringtone (cell phone kept in front pants pocket) Excuse me while I whip this out... -- Keith me no have cell phone, cell phones evil. >> Quincy: I don't know any Ned Pepper. What's he look like? >> Rooster: Short, feisty fella. He's got a messed-up lower lip. I [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > One of my *favourite* westerns. Along with Cat Ballou. Dirty Dingus McGee ... howlin' funny . SignatureSnag '90 Ultra "Strider" '39 WLDD "Popcycle" Buncha cars and a truck > We lived outside of Green Bay, Wisconsin at the time and had a dog (lab, > doberman, something mix) who would run out and round them up into the barn > at night. He tried that with the horses too but ended up getting chased > by them. Funny. I've known horses to bite and kick, but never to chase anything. Perhaps it is no fun for a horse to chase a biped because it can't run fast enough and might not run at all. A dog may be more fun, as it is faster and more maneuverable. > > We lived outside of Green Bay, Wisconsin at the time and had a dog (lab, > > doberman, something mix) who would run out and round them up into the barn [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > enough and might not run at all. A dog may be more fun, as it is faster and > more maneuverable. My other half says that when she was at school, the horse in a paddock adjoining the playing fields used to chase bicycles. And try and shag them. > > We lived outside of Green Bay, Wisconsin at the time and had a dog (lab, > > doberman, something mix) who would run out and round them up into the barn [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > enough and might not run at all. A dog may be more fun, as it is faster and > more maneuverable. Good for chickens but couldn't herd a horse? Dumb dog! That's why we got ACD's commonly called Heelers. I've got a red...she's been tested on horses, alpacas haven't tried her on sheep yet.Keeps kids from fighting and if she doesn't know you well...Bhudda, the Pope and the Dahli Lama wont be allowed out of the car. p.s. yeah she's a red...like most red headed gals she's got an attitude. -- Keith "Jujitsu Lizard" <> wrote in message > Funny. I've known horses to bite and kick, but never to chase anything. > Perhaps it is no fun for a horse to chase a biped because it can't run > fast enough and might not run at all. A dog may be more fun, as it is > faster and more maneuverable. I think you've got it. Although the horses had fun running around when I threw dried horse turds at them, they had more fun playing with the dog. He would chase them full length of the pen then they'd all turn and chase the dog. However the dog caught on real fast and could stop and turn faster than them, then get behind them again before they knew it. Sue Minocqua, WI Yamaha '00 VStar 650 '04 TW200 (mud = fun) Kawasaki '95 Vulcan 1500 V#15937 Feminine Protection: Light days - Glock 27 w/ Crimson Trace Heavy days - Ruger Redhawk .44 mag > I'm looking into raising chickens in the backyard. We do pretty > well with the garden, how hard can it be to raise a few chickens for > eggs and meat? I just dug up a deteriorating sidewalk leading from my back door to the end of my lot (to make room for apple trees). I always imagined it used to lead to the privy. However, I have cause to doubt this. The Roto-Router man informs me that the sanitary tile from my house to the sewer is original from the 1880s, so I suppose indoor plumbing was, too. City water didn't start until 1885, though, so there must have been a cistern someplace. I have never sought any trace of it. Perhaps indoor plumbing became practical only after city water was available, but the tile predates it by a year or two. I dunno. Anyway, I'm thinking now that the concrete may have led to a chicken coop, but my barber assures me that city code has always banned poultry. He believes people used to raise doves -- for meat! My Dad grew up during the Great Depression. He would never pay money for chicken when we went out to eat. In the 1930s everyone raised chickens in their back yards (in the country and at the edges of small towns). Consequently chicken was plentiful -- the next best thing to free food -- and a monotonous course of fare, too. It was tainted in everyone's imagination by its association with hard times. Signature.. Be Seeing You, .. Chuck Rhode, Sheboygan, WI, USA .. Weather: http://LacusVeris.com/WX .. 30° — Wind NNW 21 mph > In the 1930s everyone raised chickens in their back yards (in the > country and at the edges of small towns). Consequently chicken was > plentiful -- the next best thing to free food -- and a monotonous > course of fare, too. It was tainted in everyone's imagination by > its association with hard times. My brother informs me that "everyone raised chickens in *his* back yard" for *eggs*, and, according to his research, meat of any kind on the table was a delicacy during the Great Depression, including chicken. Signature.. Be Seeing You, .. Chuck Rhode, Sheboygan, WI, USA .. Weather: http://LacusVeris.com/WX .. 21° — Wind NNW 14 mph — Sky mostly clear. > > In the 1930s everyone raised chickens in their back yards (in the > > country and at the edges of small towns). Consequently chicken was [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > the table was a delicacy during the Great Depression, including > chicken. City boys had it tough I guess. -- Keith > > In the 1930s everyone raised chickens in their back yards (in the > > country and at the edges of small towns). Consequently chicken was [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > the table was a delicacy during the Great Depression, including > chicken. City boys had it tough I guess. Well, Keith, maybe in "the days" there was a law for those who kill a chicken... It was hard times... And Chuck's brother's back yard mustabeen pretty huge for everybody's chickens to fit in ;-) I'm just my usual me - parsing every sentence. Sorry. ;-) I'd order one on me, but it's not the usual Shirley's place, so - next time... MS BryanUT <nestle12@comcast.net> wrote in news:02180713-d5ed-4bb3-866c- 227f98aaee4d@c22g2000prc.googlegroups.com: > Me? I'm looking into raising chickens in the backyard. We do pretty > well with the garden, how hard can it be to raise a few chickens for > eggs and meat? It's not all it's cracked up to be... We raised Rhode Island Red's when I was a yungin. Although the egs were plentiful and we never needed to buy chicken from the grocery store, the work is endless and really not much worth the expense anymore. Butchering day isn't much fun either. Although I did get pretty good at skinning and gutting 'em. Between my two brothers and I we could clean up the whole lot of 'em (about 30 a year) in a matter of a couple hours. Just gotta make sure you get the first whack right. Hitting them a second time with the hatchet can be difficult. SignatureRCOS #7 IBA# 11465 http://imagesdesavions.com ** Posted from http://www.teranews.com ** > BryanUT <nestl...@comcast.net> wrote in news:02180713-d5ed-4bb3-866c- > 227f98aae...@c22g2000prc.googlegroups.com: [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > It's not all it's cracked up to be... I'm sure you are correct. >We raised Rhode Island Red's > when I was a yungin. Although the egs were plentiful Yep, that's my sister's experience. > and we never needed > to buy chicken from the grocery store, the work is endless and really not > much worth the expense anymore. Interesting observation. "worth the expense" and yet many preach "self reliance". > Butchering day isn't much fun either. No doubt. But I think Ted Nugent would disagree. > Although I did get pretty good at skinning and gutting 'em. A very good skill. Share your knowledge. >Between my > two brothers and I we could clean up the whole lot of 'em (about 30 a > year) in a matter of a couple hours. Just gotta make sure you get the > first whack right. Hitting them a second time with the hatchet can be > difficult. Hehe, > -- > RCOS #7 > IBA# 11465http://imagesdesavions.com > ** Posted fromhttp://www.teranews.com** >> BryanUT <nestl...@comcast.net> wrote in >> news:02180713-d5ed-4bb3-866c- [quoted text clipped - 21 lines] > Interesting observation. "worth the expense" and yet many preach > "self reliance". Many are nuts who will put ludicrous amounts of effort into saving a penny. A large perceantage of those (in the US anyway) who preach "self reliance" are really saying "I'm too poor to actually buy anything". >> Butchering day isn't much fun either. > [quoted text clipped - 19 lines] >> IBA# 11465http://imagesdesavions.com >> ** Posted fromhttp://www.teranews.com** Signature-- --John to email, dial "usenet" and validate (was jclarke at eye bee em dot net) BryanUT <nestle12@comcast.net> wrote in news:6ebee2fc-5ad3-4c4f-8b08- ad64f2d7f1d7@u18g2000pro.googlegroups.com: >> to buy chicken from the grocery store, the work is endless and really >> not much worth the expense anymore. > > Interesting observation. "worth the expense" and yet many preach > "self reliance". The same folks that will spend several hundred dollars[1] each hunting season for less than 100 post-processing lbs of deer meat and justify it by saying, "We gotta eat!" [1] License fees, fuel cost, time off from work, wear and tear on the vehicle, price of processing items, etc etc... It all counts. I'm all for hunting and still have some deer sausage left over from last year's kill but I ain't about to try to fool myself (or anyone else) and claim that I saved a bunch of money by killing my own animal. >> Although I did get pretty good at skinning and gutting 'em. ÿ > > A very good skill. Share your knowledge. This works for just about any eatin' bird... Chicken, duck, goose, pheasent, etc. You just can't be too beholdin' to the skin. After spending literally *days* butchering our birds the first year because we decided to pluck them all, we quickly lost our desire to salvage the skin and developed this method: Skinning: Use a coat hanger (or baling wire) wrapped just above the feet to hang it upside down. Using a *sharp* knife, slice the skin around the leg right where it turns from feathers to scale. Slice down from each of those cuts along the inside of the leg to where the leg meets the thigh. Sever the tail. Grab the bunch of loosened skin in both hands and *YANK* it straight down in one fast pull. The skin will get stuck on the main quills of the wings just past the second joint. Cut the wing at that joint. Total time spent: About 45-60 seconds. Gutting: Cut the abdominal skin following the bottom of the rib cage down each side and back to the tail. Reach in as far as you can and grab the windpipe. Pull it all out at once scraping the lungs out with your fingers as you go. Toss the carcass in the five gallon bucket of water and grab the next bird soon as it stops running around. SignatureRCOS #7 IBA# 11465 http://imagesdesavions.com ** Posted from http://www.teranews.com ** BryanUT <nestle12@comcast.net> wrote in news:6ebee2fc-5ad3-4c4f-8b08- ad64f2d7f1d7@u18g2000pro.googlegroups.com: >> ÿButchering day isn't much fun either. ÿ > > No doubt. But I think Ted Nugent would disagree. Don't *even* get me started on those a.sholes and their "hunting" shows... "Oh look, Bubba! Thar's a deer! I can't imagine why that deer would be coming to the same pile of corn we've been throwing out there all summer! Let's wait until he gets within 50 yards of this here blind we're hiding in and blow him away with this .270!" Yah... That's hunting just as much as going up to the counter and saying "Give me three pounds of salmon." is fishing. SignatureRCOS #7 IBA# 11465 http://imagesdesavions.com ** Posted from http://www.teranews.com ** |
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