I have an 06 Goldwing, at a stop sign it will surge 200 or so rpm at an
idle. this bike has 650 miles and the dealer says it normal for this to
happen.
I look at it as an engine that is fuel injected, and will drive most import
cars. Honda, can certainly make and engine that idles smoothly.
Otherwise, it is a great bike, handles like a pig at low speeds in 1st gear
but is really a great bike
any ideas on what to tell a dealer or is this really a problem?:
Ken
Gary Walker - 27 Jul 2007 02:02 GMT
I attended an "Open House"(aka ride any/all the bikes
you want) at a local dealer, where I selected a GW.
Without any preconceived opinions, I noticed this sur-
ging that you describe, when I stopped at signals. I
suspect the bike I was allocated was probably an '06.
Sorry, can't speak to (ab)normal, but I'd suggest you
join-up/hang-out over on one/more of the GW owner
group sites. When it comes to technical information,
bike discussion, recall notice, and even class action
lawsuits, they're the greatest.
Here's a few of which I'm aware:
http://www.gl1800.org/
http://www.gwrra.org/
http://www.gwrra-tx.org/
The texas link may be outside your region, but I'm sure
all are welcome.
>I have an 06 Goldwing, at a stop sign it will surge 200 or so rpm at an
>idle. this bike has 650 miles and the dealer says it normal for this to
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> Ken
Albrecht - 27 Jul 2007 03:06 GMT
>any ideas on what to tell a dealer or is this really a problem?:
You have two oxygen sensors. The PGM-FI runs in the closed loop mode when the
engine is warmed up. The PGM-FI "listens" to what the oxygen sensors are
telling it.
Oxygen sensors don't put out a continuously variable voltage when responding
to the temperature changes in the exhaust pipe caused by rich or lean
conditions.
They put out a very low voltage of about 0.1 volts or a "high" voltage that
is still less than 1 volt.
Digital circuitry, like in the PGM-FI, use high/low voltages anyway.
This problem might have to do with the oxygen sensors "firing" as a rich
condition occurs in the exhaust pipes. The PGM-FI then causes the air
injection system to send a slug of cold air to the exhaust port to burn off
the excess hydrocarbons, and the oxygen sensor then cools down, the PGM-FI
recomputes how much injector time is needed for the new consitions, and the
fuel injectors stay "ON" for more milliseconds.
So you get surging as the oxygen sensors heat up and cool down.
Anyway, that's my theory...
Seth Hammond - 27 Jul 2007 17:21 GMT
My '03 does no such thing.
>I have an 06 Goldwing, at a stop sign it will surge 200 or so rpm at an
>idle. this bike has 650 miles and the dealer says it normal for this to
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> Ken
Willy - 30 Jul 2007 17:13 GMT
>I have an 06 Goldwing, at a stop sign it will surge 200 or so rpm at an
>idle. this bike has 650 miles and the dealer says it normal for this to
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> Ken
Never noticed any surging whatsoever on my 06.
Willy
Seth Hammond - 30 Jul 2007 17:41 GMT
>>I have an 06 Goldwing, at a stop sign it will surge 200 or so rpm at an
>>idle. this bike has 650 miles and the dealer says it normal for this to
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> Willy
I hope you've also noticed that 1st gear is useful only at idle or WFO. 2nd
gear is much better suited for parking lot maneuvering. Cracking the
throttle even a teense will cause herky-jerky if you're in 1st. That can
result in a dropped bike.
Mike Schenk - 30 Jul 2007 21:21 GMT
"Seth Hammond" <lesliesethhammond@yahoo.com> writes in alt.motorcycles:
>I hope you've also noticed that 1st gear is useful only at idle or WFO. 2nd
>gear is much better suited for parking lot maneuvering. Cracking the
>throttle even a teense will cause herky-jerky if you're in 1st. That can
>result in a dropped bike.
Not if you use the rear brake to control speed and keep the bike stable.
Mike
Seth Hammond - 30 Jul 2007 22:16 GMT
> "Seth Hammond" <lesliesethhammond@yahoo.com> writes in alt.motorcycles:
>>I hope you've also noticed that 1st gear is useful only at idle or WFO.
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> Mike
You can also slip the clutch, but 2nd gear requires no such finesse.
Willy - 31 Jul 2007 13:52 GMT
>>>I have an 06 Goldwing, at a stop sign it will surge 200 or so rpm at an
>>>idle. this bike has 650 miles and the dealer says it normal for this to
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> throttle even a teense will cause herky-jerky if you're in 1st. That can
> result in a dropped bike.
You are correct, and as a matter of fact, in the driver safety course I
took, this was one of the points they made.
Willy