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Rowdy Mouse Racing, back on track;)

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justwaitafrekinminute@gmail.com - 04 Sep 2008 23:44 GMT
Well, more to follow but the Mouse will finally be on a real bike..
Not exactly what I wanted, but we got a great deal and just picked up
a TT-R 125 P. The folks at New England Cycle Center were great, they
threw in an extra filter cartridge and a really cool Fox hoodie for
the Mouse. The Mouse is pretty excited, I will be dirty again,
tomorrow, yeeeeeeahawwww... Thanks, more to follow..

RowdyMouseRacing, Sometimes a girl is just itchin' for a race;)
HellSickle - 05 Sep 2008 04:48 GMT
> Well, more to follow but the Mouse will finally be on a real bike..
> Not exactly what I wanted, but we got a great deal and just picked up
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>
> RowdyMouseRacing, Sometimes a girl is just itchin' for a race;)

Kudos & way Kewl. #1 Dad! :-)

In the long run, you will be much happier with the Japanese bike.  You've
just saved many hours of frustration & time that could be better spent
riding, rather than wrenching.

Next will be a CR80...

-Jeff-
Wudsracer - 05 Sep 2008 07:35 GMT
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>Well, more to follow but the Mouse will finally be on a real bike..
>Not exactly what I wanted, but we got a great deal and just picked up
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>RowdyMouseRacing, Sometimes a girl is just itchin' for a race;)
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Good news.  That was a "Good Dad" thing.

It's a fun and well made little bike.  I've been trying ot get Deb to
get the big wheel version (or use one if I bring it home.).

In the long run, the Mouse will probably benefit from riding the other
equipment first, and now this one, before she goes that next step to a
two stroke 85.  (maybe sometime next year.)

Lord knows, most of the riding population today didn't start on trick
race bikes. I, myself, started my serious jumping at age 11, on a step
through Cushman Highlander.
Ramp a 5' tall dirt bank at the top speed of 45 mph and even a
Cushman will fly.

And...   when the 85cc thing happens, you will get some value from
the sale of the TT-R.

My other unsolicited "Dad" advice is to get you a 125 two stroke.
(YZ125, or maybe a CR).
Good used 125s are cheap (and easy to work on); and the serious
suspension is worth more than an insurance policy.
Then, ride with the Mouse, and keep trying to keep up with the Mouse
as she gets faster.
Also, take her out to some trails as soon as she gets comfortable with
the TTR.  The talks you'll have with her during your trail breaks will
be priceless.

Jim

           Jim Cook
  Tree Dodger    Rock Finder
          Team LAGNAF
      2006 Gas Gas DE300
FiftyPlus - 05 Sep 2008 12:22 GMT
>  Lord knows, most of the riding population today didn't start on trick
> race bikes. I, myself, started my serious jumping at age 11, on a step
> through Cushman Highlander.
>  Ramp a 5' tall dirt bank at the top speed of 45 mph and even a
> Cushman will fly.

Like this ?
http://www.hotautoweb.com/58cushhl.html

I had one like it but I NEVER even thought about jumping it !
Tiago Rocha - 05 Sep 2008 13:51 GMT
> >  Lord knows, most of the riding population today didn't start on trick
> > race bikes. I, myself, started my serious jumping at age 11, on a step
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>
> I had one like it but I NEVER even thought about jumping it !

And I thought that my friend who jumped one of this
http://www.motosclassicas70.com.br/Fotos/BRM_140_Mobylette76_004_M.jpg
was crazy enough... :-)

-- tiago
john - 07 Sep 2008 04:08 GMT
confessions of a Cushman abuser..
they also do nice doughnuts, wheelies..
they don't do stoppies <more like slidies>
did catch some Cushmanair back when
i was superman <before kryptonite>
john

On Sep 5, 8:22 am, FiftyPlus <alda...@mich.com> wrote:
> > Lord knows, most of the riding population today didn't start on trick
> > race bikes. I, myself, started my serious jumping at age 11, on a step
[quoted text clipped - 5 lines]
>
> I had one like it but I NEVER even thought about jumping it !

And I thought that my friend who jumped one of this
http://www.motosclassicas70.com.br/Fotos/BRM_140_Mobylette76_004_M.jpg
was crazy enough... :-)

-- tiago
justwaitafrekinminute@gmail.com - 08 Sep 2008 19:20 GMT
> confessions of a Cushman abuser..
> they also do nice doughnuts, wheelies..
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>
> -- tiago

Humm, you guys are weenies'   My little girl jumps a "hard tail"...
Suspension, we don't need no stinkin' suspension...;)

RMR.. still have not started breaking in the new TTR, the rain here
has kept the track closed.. But tomorrow is going to be a beautiful
day, I think he Mouse might be "too sick" to attend school, just for a
day;)
justwaitafrekinminute@gmail.com - 08 Sep 2008 19:27 GMT
On Sep 8, 2:20 pm, justwaitafrekinmin...@gmail.com wrote:

> > confessions of a Cushman abuser..
> > they also do nice doughnuts, wheelies..
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> day, I think he Mouse might be "too sick" to attend school, just for a
> day;)-

ooops, forgot the link, here it is:
http://rowdymouse.com/media/chasebike00.mov
200cc, I only wish someone would film me jumping it. I land the rear
end, nail the throttle and ride the wheelie a little before setting it
down, what a frekin' blast...
justwaitafrekinminute@gmail.com - 10 Sep 2008 14:24 GMT
On Sep 8, 2:27 pm, justwaitafrekinmin...@gmail.com wrote:
> On Sep 8, 2:20 pm, justwaitafrekinmin...@gmail.com wrote:
>
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>
> - Show quoted text -

Well, the track is closed again today.. Sucks. The Mouse worked her
a.s off all season, heat, dirt, miss friends... just to race this
weekend in the masters of mini's but there is no way the bike will be
broken in by sunday. I am correct a new four stroke needs from 10 - 20
hours before she should be racing it right??
HardWorkingDog - 10 Sep 2008 14:39 GMT
In article
<c4498403-5a34-4072-952c-67d892d55f1d@d45g2000hsc.googlegroups.com>,

> I am correct a new four stroke needs from 10 - 20
> hours before she should be racing it right??

Not at all. The warmup laps should break it in, then ride it as fast
as she wants. Someone will pipe in here with a link...

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Charles
'99 YZ250

justwaitafrekinminute@gmail.com - 10 Sep 2008 15:13 GMT
> In article
> <c4498403-5a34-4072-952c-67d892d55...@d45g2000hsc.googlegroups.com>,
[quoted text clipped - 9 lines]
> Charles
> '99 YZ250

Are you sure? This is not a 2 stroke, but I am listening...
Tiago Rocha - 10 Sep 2008 15:25 GMT
On Sep 10, 11:13 am, justwaitafrekinmin...@gmail.com wrote:

> Are you sure? This is not a 2 stroke, but I am listening...

http://www.mototuneusa.com/break_in_secrets.htm

as he says, "This is a very controversial topic"

me? I don't think I'd do exactly what he exposes on that article, but
what he says makes sense. ymmv....

-- Tiago
Dean H. - 10 Sep 2008 15:25 GMT
<justwaitafrekinminute@gmail.com> wrote
On Sep 10, 9:39 am, HardWorkingDog <har...@mush.man> wrote:
> In article
> <c4498403-5a34-4072-952c-67d892d55...@d45g2000hsc.googlegroups.com>,
[quoted text clipped - 9 lines]
> Charles
> '99 YZ250

Are you sure? This is not a 2 stroke, but I am listening...

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It's a good excuse to tell her to take it easy out there and just have fun,
go easy on the new machine, and take the first race as a learning
experience. She will have her hands full with a new machine. Nobody should
expect to win their first race anyway. Getting to the checkers is a worthy
goal. Being faster than just one other person out there is a huge victory.

I have to tell myself a lot of stuff like that when I "race".

HTH,
Dean
john - 10 Sep 2008 15:29 GMT
HWD you are mistaken
1st you're supposed to announce an "untruth" like seth
still walks the earth, then Usenet jumps in and calls you a liar
then post volumes of data not even remotely pointed at the original subject
someone then posts a your momma joke about some lord of the scripts then
a lurker from a decade ago post a link disproving your original ruse and
the minions chime in with that's right dude.
opps nevermind i though this was alt.nakedhorsebackriders.invade.mars.mp3

   1st oil change Castrol gtx 10x40 or the like...
   after that you can go synthetic....

   on a new rebuilt motor i like to use dino
   oil start it shut it down after 30 seconds
   drain oil, check for bitty metal parts...
   refill with dino oil & start it again vary the RPM's
   ride it easy once warmed up turn it off to cool
   restart varying RPMs ride easy... then ride normal
john

"HardWorkingDog" <harvey@
> In article
>
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> Not at all. The warmup laps should break it in, then ride it as fast
> as she wants. Someone will pipe in here with a link...
Mike Baxter - 10 Sep 2008 15:52 GMT
On Wed, 10 Sep 2008 06:24:22 -0700 (PDT),

>Well, the track is closed again today.. Sucks. The Mouse worked her
>a.s off all season, heat, dirt, miss friends... just to race this
>weekend in the masters of mini's but there is no way the bike will be
>broken in by sunday. I am correct a new four stroke needs from 10 - 20
>hours before she should be racing it right??

The TTR125 engine does not have a tight built engine.  They do come
jetted lean.  I suggest getting the next couple larger pilot and main
jets for the bike.  

Put an hour on the engine and send her out on the track to kick butt
and take names....  OK, send her out there to have fun!

Mike Baxter
(wife had TTR125 that I flogged heavily)
Wudsracer - 10 Sep 2008 20:55 GMT
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>The TTR125 engine does not have a tight built engine.  They do come
>jetted lean.  I suggest getting the next couple larger pilot and main
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>Mike Baxter
>(wife had TTR125 that I flogged heavily)

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 I agree with Mike, and want to add the following.

 First, go over the bike, looking for loose bolts, nuts, etc; and try
to find any potential problems or "fall off" items. You may be
surprised at the low level of competence of many of the dealerships'
bike set up workers.  Check the air filter for proper oiling and how
well it seals.  Check the intake maniifold, to make sure that a loose
bolt won't cause you an air leak..
 Make sure that all spokes are properly snug and the nipples are not
"frozen" to the spokes.
 Put the oil you want to break it in with, in the engine.

 Run the bike through a couple of 30 minute to one hour heat up
cycles.  
 On the first "heat up cycle", run the bike gently.  

 Be careful to warm the engine thoroughly each time, and let it cool
down completely (be able to hold your hand against the cylinder for
ten seconds without burning it) in between heat up sessions.

 On the second "heat up cycle", you may want to start taking notes to
help with your jettiing strategy.

 After the second heat up cycle, go over the bike and recheck bolts,
nuts, and fittings. (It can be embarassing for the seat to fly off
while the rider is standing for a jump; or for the silencer to fall
off in the whoop section; or the ......  etc.)
 Do your first oil change, as the transmission gears are going to
throw off a lot of metal as they "wear in" for the first time.
 Then, go race.  

 Dean & john had excellent advise, also.

Tell the Mouse that I said to "Have Fun!"

Jim

           Jim Cook
  Tree Dodger    Rock Finder
          Team LAGNAF
      2006 Gas Gas DE300
justwaitafrekinminute@gmail.com - 11 Sep 2008 03:34 GMT
> *******************************************
>
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>            Team LAGNAF
>        2006 Gas Gas DE300

I have been studying all of the links and posts, thanks to all. I will
probably do a combination of all of the suggestions. The bike was run
for about 15 minutes the other day in the back yard. In the morning I
will change the oil and check the fittings and air filter on the bike
and do a good warm up then take it out for a few minutes. I will run
is somewhat hard, but shortshift to keep the rpms in the 40-50% range
for another 10-15 minutes. Do a cool down, and repeat oil change, and
short shifting to maybe 60% of range again with hard throttle applied,
but still shortshifting, cool down. Check all components, change oil
again (I know, but a few bucks now...) and probably run a little
longer, maybe a half hour running it up pretty good, but not balls to
the wall. I have told the Mouse I will probably do most of the driving
during these runs as although she may be able to handle a bike better
on the track, I am and always have been a very smooth with a clutch,
and transmission... I may do another decent run after that and
eventually look to have at least 2-3 hours on it, then take it for a
high rpm run..... Again, check components, change oil, and set the
Mouse loose on the thing..

I know some folks tell me I change oil too much, but it goes back to
my GM days.. All three of our present bikes, including the lawnmower
minibike, had their oil changed every two hours for the first 10
hours. The week the Mouse killed her 110, I just started seeing a
little blue smoke that looked like blow-by and had noticed a slight
loss of power. At the same time, by then, I figure the engine probably
had well over a hundred hours on it, and never had any adjustments or
work so the oil changes certainly didn't hurt anything. We watched the
oil come out with metal the first few changes, after it started coming
cleaner, we slowed down to changes every 10 hours.

Anyway, the site was just updated.. The frekin' track is closed again
tomorrow, this is crazy, I paid 700bucks for a season pass..
arrrrrgggg.... I know, it's not their fault, but it is so frustrating
to see that bike sitting on the trailer, now over a week. With the
Mouses one week vacation, rain, broken bike, and now rain, we have
only had two frekin' days riding in the last 5+ weeks. We are all
having withdrawals... ugh.

More to follow, hopefully we can get back on the track before it
closes for the season. And to think, this all started with a 500
dollar china clone.. ;) Who knew...?

Rowdy Mouse Racing, running laps around the living room in our sleep...
HardWorkingDog - 11 Sep 2008 05:06 GMT
In article
<8b0813ce-ce8b-4b72-8b20-cadde1e2ef79@d45g2000hsc.googlegroups.com>,

> I have been studying all of the links and posts, thanks to all. I will
> probably do a combination of all of the suggestions.

Good luck. The main thing is...should your daughter miss the most
important event of the year because the bike's brand new? NO WAY :)

I would win the "who changes oil most often" contest hands down, but I
wouldn't hesitate riding a new TTR hard. It's made to have fun with.
What's the worst that could happen? You do a top end a few hours
earlier? Split the cases and replace a bearing or two or the crank?
Heck, that stuff's as much fun as riding.

If you're Malcolm Smith, and do a top end on your bike after day 3,
you're not going to worry about break-in the next morning on day 4
when the gun goes off--you're going for the hole shot.

Signature

Charles
'99 YZ250

Wudsracer - 11 Sep 2008 07:16 GMT
********************************************************
>>Jim Wrote:
>>   I agree with Mike, and want to add the following.
[quoted text clipped - 38 lines]
>>            Team LAGNAF
>>        2006 Gas Gas DE300

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>Then Scotty wrote:
>
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>
>Rowdy Mouse Racing, running laps around the living room in our sleep...

****************************************************************

I may not have made myself completely clear.
I should have said, that after that first heat cycle and checking
everything for tightness and such, run the piss out of it the second
heat cycle, seating your rings well, and maybe check your jetting at
the same time.

I have done the actual "break in"  of more than one motorcycle at the
races. (after the initial running to make sure everything was okay and
running the bike for five or six miles to check it out.)

Good quality clean oil is going to be your friend during the break in
process. It is not a waste of money.

 You don't have to be at the track to do the break in. An open field
or back road will do just fine. The gentle first run can be done in
the back yard.

Best Regards,

Jim

           Jim Cook
  Tree Dodger    Rock Finder
          Team LAGNAF
      2006 Gas Gas DE300
justwaitafrekinminute@gmail.com - 11 Sep 2008 17:18 GMT
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Whoooooo..   Hooooooooooooooo!   Thanks to one of you, we have a day
on a local club track,, Thanks, see you in about a half hour! You know
who you are.

Thank you so much everyone for your input, Just changed the oil,
checked the bike, and we are off...

Rowdy Mouse Racing, Back on track again...
Wudsracer - 06 Sep 2008 00:39 GMT
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>>  Lord knows, most of the riding population today didn't start on trick
>> race bikes. I, myself, started my serious jumping at age 11, on a step
[quoted text clipped - 6 lines]
>
>I had one like it but I NEVER even thought about jumping it !
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Actually, mine was a 1963, and except for mine having the longer seat,
it looked exactly like this one.
http://www.dennis-carpenter.com/scooters/56A.jpg

In my longest (measured) jump on it, my rear wheel cleared 7' high,
and landed 53' from the last contact with the dirt bank.

Eventually, the fiberglass on the rear started breaking, and during my
thirteenth year, I traded in the Cushman Highlander on a Harley
(Armecchi) M65 Sport.
 I started riding trails on that one.

           Jim Cook
  Tree Dodger    Rock Finder
          Team LAGNAF
      2006 Gas Gas DE300
 
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