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Motorcycle Forum / General / Off-road / September 2008Somewhat OT: Vise Grips production going to China
http://ap.google.com/article/ALeqM5h3xKLMS4DAtx74nqdOljMSx46YaAD92VR88G0 This is a bummer. heard it mention Mal-Wart was a big reason for the move. Only somewhat OT because I'm sure we all carry needle-nose vise-grips in our packs. Dave >http://ap.google.com/article/ALeqM5h3xKLMS4DAtx74nqdOljMSx46YaAD92VR88G0 > [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > >Dave Cheap, cheap, cheap!!! Gotta get stuff CHEAP! They're giving us what we are telling them we want. M -- Mike W. 96 XR400 70 CT70 71 KG 100 (Hodaka-powered) 99 KZ1000P (training) 99 KZ1000P (rider) 00 Beta Rev-3 > http://ap.google.com/article/ALeqM5h3xKLMS4DAtx74nqdOljMSx46YaAD92VR88G0 > [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > > Dave That is Irwin's (parent co. of Vise Grip) m.o. >> http://ap.google.com/article/ALeqM5h3xKLMS4DAtx74nqdOljMSx46YaAD92VR88G0 >> [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > >That is Irwin's (parent co. of Vise Grip) m.o. Going to China or other low-cost markets has a lot less to do with what a company wants to do than what it has to do. The consumers cause the shift. If a company has a reputation for going offshore, it's because the customers consistently rewarded them in doing so. -- Mike W. 96 XR400 70 CT70 71 KG 100 (Hodaka-powered) 99 KZ1000P (training) 99 KZ1000P (rider) 00 Beta Rev-3 > >>http://ap.google.com/article/ALeqM5h3xKLMS4DAtx74nqdOljMSx46YaAD92VR88G0 > [quoted text clipped - 23 lines] > > - Show quoted text - The problem is with some of these products, once they go over seas you can't get a well built model, no matter how much you pay... Chineese dirt bikes, chink pliers. What could one expect? >The problem is with some of these products, once they go over seas you >can't get a well built model, no matter how much you pay... Well-understood... and that is what lies at the center of my disgust with the death spiral of every well-made item, well-delivered service and every useful technology. The supply-side forces all realize the money is in the masses... the laggards... the slobs. Not the early adopters. "Crossing the chasm"... politically correct nomenclature for "slob-enabling". Pick something... anything... immediately upon making it to the earliest stages of "useful" among early adopters, it is, with 100% daunting perfection... destroyed in service of the drooling f.cks who follow a string to work (if they have a job)... who contribute NOTHING to the herd... who take up too much f.cking space and have far far far too much influence on EVERYTHING... that comprise "the masses". Cell phones..dirt bikes... sailing.. America... education... cars... travel... high-end audio... pets... driving... support... PICK ANYTHING.. these unselective mouth-breathers who prioritize cost and appearance over EVERYTHING influence the makers/deliverers make every design/delivery tradeoff in favor of those two parameters so "the masses" can simply enjoy what was once excellent and broadly capable. For the selective consumer.. for the selective practitioner... choice has been eliminated (as well as venues that once supported the diverse selection) and ALL that is available is 100% sh.t from some the other side of the dateline. McDonald's (might be Wendy's) is testing a store when ALL the motherf..kers that comprise the customer touch points are a bunch of know-nothings from f.cking India appearing on monitors. Now... if I owned that and didn't have to deal all day every day with the entitlement minded raggies that make up the lower 50% of the labor pool, I'd probably wet myself at the mere vision of that management Utopia. But slob enabling is KILLING everything. It's Vice-Grips turn... I can't wait until it happens to medicine or maybe ROV fire fighting piloted by some know-nothing in India. The processes and people around me put me into a state of almost continuous internal high-amplitude celebration that someday I'll be dead. -- Mike W. 96 XR400 70 CT70 71 KG 100 (Hodaka-powered) 99 KZ1000P (training) 99 KZ1000P (rider) 00 Beta Rev-3 > >The problem is with some of these products, once they go over seas you > >can't get a well built model, no matter how much you pay... [quoted text clipped - 28 lines] > India. The processes and people around me put me into a state of almost > continuous internal high-amplitude celebration that someday I'll be dead. I wish I'd kept my Star-Tac... By the way, did you know that you can get software that will let turn an iPhone into a rotary dialer? So far, the creator has made over $30,000 net profit for one day's programming work.  SignatureCharles '99 YZ250 >I wish I'd kept my Star-Tac... The last real cell phone. I was just over at Verizon talking with the tin men that hawk their phones about something new for my daughter. One of the guys was just amazed... "I've never seen anyone with six StarTacs on one account.. and it looks like you've had about... 15 of them! This account goes back to 1988!!!" I have enough of them on the system in reserve to last me a long time. >By the way, did you know that you can get software that will let turn >an iPhone into a rotary dialer? So far, the creator has made over >$30,000 net profit for one day's programming work. I'd say he made $30k for having a good idea... not for the programming. Programmers are, according to the Indian labor pool, roughly a dime a dozen. Mike -- Mike W. 96 XR400 70 CT70 71 KG 100 (Hodaka-powered) 99 KZ1000P (training) 99 KZ1000P (rider) 00 Beta Rev-3 > >I wish I'd kept my Star-Tac... > > The last real cell phone. I was just over at Verizon talking with the tin > men that hawk their phones about something new for my daughter. I'm guessing you aren't looking at iPhones... SignatureCharles '99 YZ250 >> >I wish I'd kept my Star-Tac... >> >> The last real cell phone. I was just over at Verizon talking with the tin >> men that hawk their phones about something new for my daughter. > >I'm guessing you aren't looking at iPhones... Karnak lives:) Mike -- Mike W. 96 XR400 70 CT70 71 KG 100 (Hodaka-powered) 99 KZ1000P (training) 99 KZ1000P (rider) 00 Beta Rev-3 > >I'm guessing you aren't looking at iPhones... > > Karnak lives:) May you walk a mile under a diseased camel. SignatureCharles '99 YZ250 >The processes and people around me put me into a >state of almost continuous internal high-amplitude celebration that someday I'll >be dead. I've often asked, "Does everything have be idiot proofed?" Best Regards - Mike Baldwin Mike W. whines: > The processes and people around me put me into a state of almost > continuous internal high-amplitude celebration that someday I'll be dead. Is something stopping you from moving that process up? Sure doesn't sound like it. Go fast. Take chances. Mike S. In article <a63d6412-f060-46a9-8712-92fbcc57fb48@d77g2000hsb.googlegroups.com>, sturd <mikesturdevant127@hotmail.com> whines: > > The processes and people around me put me into a state of almost > > continuous internal high-amplitude celebration that someday I'll be dead. [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > Go fast. Take chances. > Mike S. My oldest daughter had this irrational dislike, hatred almost, of anyone she met that shared her same first name. Thankfully she has a relatively uncommon name, and she eventually outgrew that quirk. I wouldn't mind if you could do the same. SignatureCharles '99 YZ250 >I wouldn't mind if you could do the same. Hi Charles... nice of you to say that. But I suggest Sturd and the well-defined group that make up his neighbors on the ignorant a.shole graph are a lot like the "which tire" or "quads suck" threads. Just crank turning we're all familiar with. To quote James Watson, "avoid boring people". Still... sincerely appreciated. Great day here... I'm going back out for another 4 hours of drills, which I'd say makes me a must-avoid under the Watson rule too! Mike -- Mike W. 96 XR400 70 CT70 71 KG 100 (Hodaka-powered) 99 KZ1000P (training) 99 KZ1000P (rider) 00 Beta Rev-3 HardWorkingDog wishes: > My oldest daughter had this irrational dislike, hatred almost, of > anyone she met that shared her same first name. Thankfully she has a > relatively uncommon name, and she eventually outgrew that quirk. > > I wouldn't mind if you could do the same. That's a weird quirk. Note that I have no dislike of Mike W, just his rants that are A off topic B bigoted, xenophobic, and just plain mean C deprecating to anybody he doesn't feel measure up to his so called standards And *he's* the one who suggested celebrating his own death. I Indeed, the few times he's posted something rational and about dirt bikes, I've tried to help if I had a clue about the subject. Go fast. Take chances. Mike S. > >http://ap.google.com/article/ALeqM5h3xKLMS4DAtx74nqdOljMSx46YaAD92VR88G0 > [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > > That is Irwin's (parent co. of Vise Grip) m.o. And Irwin's mother ship is, of all things, rubbermaid. They're probably the queen of mal-wart. Dave >And Irwin's mother ship is, of all things, rubbermaid. They're >probably the queen of mal-wart. >Dave That is _Newell_ Rubbermaid. Wal*Mart systematically forced the _original_ RubberMaid Co. into bankruptcy. There is an informative PBS/Frontline piece on the entire story. I've now added Vise-Grips to my yard sale shopping list. And having learned almost nobody _really_ gives a damn about America any more, this is where I shut-up. Best Regards - Mike Baldwin > I've now added Vise-Grips to my yard sale shopping list. Are the ones in the retail pipeline still quality? > And having learned almost nobody _really_ gives a damn about America >any more, this is where I shut-up. I hope you don't, but also.. giving too big a damn at this point is sorta like pushing someone on their death bed to check out that Chuck Norris exercise machine. Mike -- Mike W. 96 XR400 70 CT70 71 KG 100 (Hodaka-powered) 99 KZ1000P (training) 99 KZ1000P (rider) 00 Beta Rev-3 Milbar (no i don't work there anymore) they are American made and nice stuff. searching,,,, oh that's right daughter bought out dad's company... the co ran great for a bit then customers wanted cheep..er they went to NEW NAME stride right tool same time guy i knew did his MBA paper on the expansion... guessing it didn't go as planned and they are now imperial tools spin off now i'll be danged if i know where the tools are are made now that the plant in NY shut down.. not sure if the place in Chagrin Falls is still going? short of the long, don't know where to buy cool tools now other than at garage sales, & estate auctions. john > http://ap.google.com/article/ALeqM5h3xKLMS4DAtx74nqdOljMSx46YaAD92VR88G0 > [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > > Dave > Milbar (no i don't work there anymore) > they are American made and nice stuff. [quoted text clipped - 22 lines] > > > Dave Milbar... never heard of 'em. Dave "XR650L_Dave" < >> Milbar (no i don't work there anymore) >> they are American made and nice stuff. >> searching,,,, > Milbar... never heard of 'em. > > Dave they make pliers for private label folks... http://www.crawfordtool.com/wire%20twister.html |
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