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Motorcycle Forum / General / Racing / September 2008250GP to 600
Just in passing amid all the other stuff that happened this summer. There was a deadline for proposals from manufacturers for 600-4 based machines to replace 250GP. The deadline came and went with *no* proposals from anyone.  SignatureJulian Bond E&MSN: julian_bond at voidstar.com M: +44 (0)77 5907 2173 Webmaster: http://www.ecademy.com/ T: +44 (0)192 0412 433 Personal WebLog: http://www.voidstar.com/ skype:julian.bond?chat Serve Over Fish > Just in passing amid all the other stuff that happened this summer. > > There was a deadline for proposals from manufacturers for 600-4 based > machines to replace 250GP. The deadline came and went with *no* > proposals from anyone. Wow, you'd think Honda would have something. DOA? Signaturetanx, Howard The bloody pubs are bloody dull The bloody clubs are bloody full Of bloody girls and bloody guys With bloody murder in their eyes remove YOUR SHOES to reply, ok? >> Just in passing amid all the other stuff that happened this summer. >> [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > Wow, you'd think Honda would have something. DOA? Didn't i see a Moriwaki "concept bike" somewhere? Oh yeah... http://www.fasterandfaster.net/2008/07/motogp-moriwaki-start-work-on-their.html > > In article <5OiQ1NmrC4vIF...@jblaptop.voidstar.com>, > [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > Didn't i see a Moriwaki "concept bike" somewhere? > Oh yeah...http://www.fasterandfaster.net/2008/07/motogp-moriwaki-start-work-on-... It wasn't a real bike in the sense that no one turned a lap on it, as far as I know, no one submitted it as a proposal, and it was always accompanied with a "this is just some parts we threw together to get people thinking" disclaimer. > Just in passing amid all the other stuff that happened this summer. > [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > Personal WebLog: http://www.voidstar.com/ skype:julian.bond?chat > Serve Over Fish I think some of it must come down to a cost benefit thing. They have Moto-GP for the bleeding edge 4-stroke stuff, and Superbike (etc) for proddie based stuff. The stink-wheels just need to clean up, maybe run them on organic soy based ethanol or cow sh.t based methanol? > > Just in passing amid all the other stuff that happened this summer. > > > > There was a deadline for proposals from manufacturers for 600-4 based > > machines to replace 250GP. The deadline came and went with *no* > > proposals from anyone. > I think some of it must come down to a cost benefit thing. They have > Moto-GP for the bleeding edge 4-stroke stuff, and Superbike (etc) for > proddie based stuff. > The stink-wheels just need to clean up, maybe run them on organic soy > based ethanol or cow sh.t based methanol? From what I remember, it was the manufacturers that had suggested this, mostly Honda. Honda really doesn't like 2 strokes and never have. Signaturetanx, Howard The bloody pubs are bloody dull The bloody clubs are bloody full Of bloody girls and bloody guys With bloody murder in their eyes remove YOUR SHOES to reply, ok? > From what I remember, it was the manufacturers that had suggested this, mostly > Honda. Honda really doesn't like 2 strokes and never have. I still think it should be 400 cc four-strokes. Why go to 600 cc and back down later, like the 990's backed down to 800's? >> From what I remember, it was the manufacturers that had suggested >> this, mostly Honda. Honda really doesn't like 2 strokes and never have. > > I still think it should be 400 cc four-strokes. Why go to 600 cc and > back down later, like the 990's backed down to 800's? Yes - Why not 1/2 capacity of the class above - stick with the same no. of cylinders as now - 440 4-stroke twins replace or race with 250 2 strokes twins - 220 4 stroke singles replace or race with 125 2 stroke singles and later - hydrogen fuel cells & electricity Bummers <bummers@internode.on.net> Fri, 5 Sep 2008 20:51:24 >Yes - Why not 1/2 capacity of the class above - stick with the same no. >of cylinders as now >- 440 4-stroke twins replace or race with 250 2 strokes twins >- 220 4 stroke singles replace or race with 125 2 stroke singles We've all been round this before. - There's not enough money around for 400-500 twin and 200-250 single prototypes. KTM want this, Aprilia may want this, the Japanese factories apparently don't want this. - Modified production engines in prototype chassis might work; Honda were pro the idea and may have been pushing it; KTM and Aprilia didn't want it; It may fall foul of Flamminis world Supersports agreement with the FIM on production based formulae. And now apparently nobody wants to step up to the plate and be part of discussing the detail of the rules. >and later >- hydrogen fuel cells & electricity Who knows where GP will be in 25 years. TTXGP http://ttxgp.com are talking about a one lap "race" round the Isle of Man next year for M/C that don't use a hydrocarbon fuel. But they're unrealistic and screwing around with full FIM/ACU M/C regs plus a bit of electrical safety. Electric drag racing seems to be growing in the USA. There's also some kart and open wheel racing in the UK using electrical power. SignatureJulian Bond E&MSN: julian_bond at voidstar.com M: +44 (0)77 5907 2173 Webmaster: http://www.ecademy.com/ T: +44 (0)192 0412 433 Personal WebLog: http://www.voidstar.com/ skype:julian.bond?chat Certain Limitations Apply >> From what I remember, it was the manufacturers that had suggested this, mostly >> Honda. Honda really doesn't like 2 strokes and never have. > >I still think it should be 400 cc four-strokes. Why go to 600 cc and >back down later, like the 990's backed down to 800's? If they have to use production engine castings, development will be limited and power won't get out of hand. 600s are quite popular in the marketplace so a premier class based on them would be a good idea, IMO. I think the factories in Japan would rather not have to compete in it, though, because in MotoGP they already have plenty of opportunities to spend money. Bill Smith |
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