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Mark N - 12 Sep 2008 18:13 GMT First impressions of Indy. First, it's wet. Not west coast style, which would also mean it's cold, since it never rains in California... in the summer..
Kind of surprised by the look of the place at first. when I saw one of the grqandstands from the road I thought it was a high school football fiwld or something, thenrealized I was looking at the back of the turn four stands. after a minor fiasco getting my ticket (the worst will call experience since Miller '06) my first look inside was from the turn one stqands down the front straight. What it felt like was walking into Fenway Park for the first time, almost a relic of another age, when Detroit muscle was king, and not the monstrosity I expected - Fontana is much more impressive in terms of sheer size, at least from the outside, and of course much more contemporary.The whole thing feels like a midwestwrn statw fair, right down to the corndog stands on the street and the folks selling parking spots in their front yards.
Which makes MotoGP feel quote ot of place here, in this most European of US rounds that includes the ring-dings (also kind of relics of another age, I have to say).
Anyway, the front straight is long but not Miller long, and turn 1 seems a bit scary, fast and not that much runoff, it seems. But that's kind of hard to tell at the reduced wet speeds this morning. The nagery after that is pretty rinky-dink, and I haven't yet seen enough of the infield to tell. But they were tip-toeing around this AM. Good to see Spies up at the sharp end much of the session, that Donny wet time must be coming in handy. Also enjoyed Nick in the press conference yesterday, nice to see him out from under.
This afternoon will be infield exploration, first brat now in my belly and 125s headed out. More later...
Mark N - 13 Sep 2008 20:18 GMT Beautiful weather has erupted at Indy, and an excellent Q session just completed. This morning it was damp and most of the guys went out on intermediates only to pop right back in for slicks. Hayden went out on slicks and was fast right off, really smokin' the rear on the run through the fast lefthander right before the final chicane. At first it seemed like Michelins were the ticket, then Bridgestones, then it looked pretty even the rest of the way.
This afternoon it continued to be very unpredictable, surprising groups of guys at the front much of the time. And we have't seen anything close to dominqnce by anyone, even though it was the usual Rossi-Stoner bit at the front in the end. Hayden missed a home front row because of a big slide on his last try and/or being balked at the end of the lap. Spies sits next to him in fifth spot, continuing to embarrass the Rizla regulars plus Euro-centric Denning, and/or the suits in Japan (whoever decided to let the best young talent outside of GP walk).
Will be looking at the details later - 250s are out...
Mark N - 14 Sep 2008 02:57 GMT Okay, so let's assume it's dry. The pace this afternoon, when it was pretty warm, was high 42s or very low 43s. The guys who did them were Rossi (42.95), Stoner (42.66), Hayden (43.03), Elias (42.74), de Angelis (42.98), Vermeulen (43.02). Lorenzo only did a 43.50 and that was early, Spies got down to a 43.41 before going to the Qs, de Puniet 43.45, Dovizioso 43.86, Toseland 43.79 and Pedrosa never broke 44. The general impression I had at the track was that Elias was generally faster than Stoner today, but got screwed by his crash when it mattered.
Rain is hard to say, because how hard it will be is impossible to say. West was the fast guy yesterday, but he's last on the grid. The morning was the drier of the two sessions, but guys were still figuring out the circuit. In general the guys who were fastest in the wet didn't qualify all that well.
I guess Rossi is the best pick, not knowing the weather. Hard to take Stoner after the last couple rounds and his non-intimidating weekend so far, and Elias seems like a good wildcard in the dry. Hayden looks like a podium shot in the dry as well, but not so certain if it rains. Hard to rule out Vermeulen if it rains. Spies seems like a good podium longshot overall, andf maybe particularly if it rains; his biggest problem in his previous two races seemed to be getting the maximum out of the tires in the early laps when they're still good, and he can't do that and get on the box.
However it plays out with the weather, it could be very good and/or very surprising. And maybe we'll even get in some bike-swapping in the process. 125s and 250s? Don't have a clue - who's on pole?
Mark N - 14 Sep 2008 18:43 GMT > Rain is hard to say, because how hard it will be is impossible to say. > West was the fast guy yesterday, but he's last on the grid. The > morning was the drier of the two sessions, but guys were still > figuring out the circuit. In general the guys who were fastest in the > wet didn't qualify all that well.
> However it plays out with the weather, it could be very good and/or > very surprising. As I said, apparently it's wet at Indy. Huddled under the grandstands with 100,000 other people at the moment, wondering if it'll ever stop...
Actually, it seems to be slowing a bit now...
just bob - 15 Sep 2008 17:50 GMT Pretty much the same feeling I had about Indy when I was there a few years ago. Somehow it looks bigger and grander on TV. The track is surprisingly narrow, too.
Here is one of my shots with that State Fair look: Folding frickn' chairs are the best seats in the house.
http://www.motorsport.com/photos/popup.asp?N=8&I=irl/2006/ind/irl-2006-ind-bh-01 50.jpg
> First impressions of Indy. First, it's wet. Not west coast style, > which would also mean it's cold, since it never rains in California... [quoted text clipped - 28 lines] > This afternoon will be infield exploration, first brat now in my belly > and 125s headed out. More later... Mark N - 16 Sep 2008 01:03 GMT > Pretty much the same feeling I had about Indy when I was there a few years > ago. Somehow it looks bigger and grander on TV. The track is surprisingly > narrow, too. > > Here is one of my shots with that State Fair look: Folding frickn' chairs > are the best seats in the house. Yup, I had a wtf moment when I peeked into the boxes and saw all those chairs, complete with a decent coating of rust.
Where the place really looks old and small is from that angle, in turn one looking back down the straight. And the track really does look narrow, you almost can't imagine three cars going in there abreast. What's really big is the whole layout, given that it's a 2.5-mile oval, which is also why they can put in a pretty decent infield course. Completely different than a place like PPIR or Phoenix.
The one view that really gave you a sense of size was during the race looking up the straight from turn four. With the spray and the rain mist and the wind, the bikes would eventually just disappear entirely.
Still, I don't know that the whole layout is actually as large as Miller, I kinda doubt it. And I'll take the weather there as well...
just bob - 22 Sep 2008 18:01 GMT >> Pretty much the same feeling I had about Indy when I was there a few >> years [quoted text clipped - 21 lines] > Still, I don't know that the whole layout is actually as large as > Miller, I kinda doubt it. And I'll take the weather there as well... Watched a little of the Grand-Am sportscar race at MMP over the weekend and one of the guys mention that MMP is a nice track but it's tragic that at over 4 miles it has only one straight.
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