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Motorcycle Forum / General / Sportbikes / September 2004Part of the Seattle crew gets busted today
70 in a 50.... I asked the cop if he would write us a warning....He said "no, but it doesn't hurt to ask." At least he had a sense of humor. He's probably off work now, after meeting his quota: 6 Tix in 1 stop! Bummer...My 1st ticket in a long while. We weren't speeding, he radar'ed the 1st guy at 65, the cop said. Then he paced 5 other bikes at 70? With cars in between us, etc. BS... Gonna have to fight it out in court!  SignatureAndrew 00 Speed Triple 00 Daytona > 70 in a 50.... > [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > > Gonna have to fight it out in court! where was this? snohomish county, i hope. James Muckelstone is your man! maybe he'll give you a group rate. :-) -kelly > > 70 in a 50.... > > [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > where was this? snohomish county, i hope. James Muckelstone is your man! > maybe he'll give you a group rate. :-) Out 20 before the dam. Whatcom County. The problem with that is we have all used Jeannie in the past, and Jamin mentioned that the last time he tried to use James, Jeannie got pissed. We will have to see. Too bad you couldn't make the ride, the state could use more revenue! SignatureAndrew 00 Daytona 00 Speed Triple > Out 20 before the dam. Whatcom County. > The problem with that is we have all used Jeannie in the past, and Jamin > mentioned that the last time he tried to use James, Jeannie got pissed. > We will have to see. Too bad you couldn't make the ride, the state could > use more revenue! Jeanie will charge you a fortune that far north, if she'll even do it. if you want to email me privately, i'll tell you exactly why i prefer James over his sister. -kelly >70 in a 50.... > [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > >Gonna have to fight it out in court! Darn shame, that. Knew you boyz rode too fast <mmmmph mmmphh .... buh hahahhahahahah! > All six of you got tickets, oh geez. Talk about bored cops. Maybe you can explain why the other five didn't take off? '----------------------------------------------------- ' Daniel Bannon ' NW WA State, U.S.A. ' 2003 ZX636B Hercusaki, 1999 CBR1100XX '----------------------------------------------------- >>70 in a 50.... >> [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] > All six of you got tickets, oh geez. Talk about bored cops. Maybe > you can explain why the other five didn't take off? Sure can bro! Cuz we're not stupid. Where you gonna run to up in the cascades? There's no place to go. 1 road in, 1 road out. Plus we all have clean records, why not stop and take your licks, then deal with the lawyers later? I for one would NEVER run from the law, even if I was clocked at 205mph. I am a responsible motorcyclist. SignatureAndrew 00 Speed Triple 00 Daytona >From: "Andrew" >Plus we all have clean records, why not stop and take your licks, then deal >with the lawyers later? Why not just vote out the paranoid Nazi dickheads and take our country back? > >From: "Andrew" > [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > Why not just vote out the paranoid Nazi dickheads and take our country > back? Isn't that why we have the AMA? I'd rather deal with my lawyer than AMA idiots. BS they are looking out for our rights as motorcyclists. They are just as bad as any Special Interest. It's all about funding...send your fees in, we'll protect your rights. My a.s! I'm the only one who protects my rights as a rider! SignatureAndrew 00 Speed Triple 00 Daytona >> From: "Andrew" > >> Plus we all have clean records, why not stop and take your licks, then deal >> with the lawyers later? > > Why not just vote out the paranoid Nazi dickheads and take our country back? These asinine speeding tickets are just another example of how regular folks are getting SCREWED in the name of "public safety". Grrrr! Another example (going into rant mode): I have season Seahawks tickets with some friends. For the past several years, we go to every home game at least 3 hours before kick-off, so we can set up a tailgate party in the parking lot, along with many other like-minded fans. Today, as we're sipping our beer out of nondescript cups and enjoying my homemade chili, I see a couple of Seattle Police officers working their way through the throng of peace loving tailgaters, handing out flyers and having serious looking chats with everyone. As they get closer, I figure out that whatever they're doing must be newsworthy, since there's a local NBC news camera guy tagging along, filming every conversation. They finally make it to us, hand us a flyer citing the city statue forbidding consumption of alcohol in public, and tell us that in the name of public safety we need to cease and desist all beer drinking. The subtext of their message was "don't let us see it and maybe we won't have to bust you". I drank beer out of my insulated travel mug for the rest of the morning, as the normal party cups weren't stealthy enough. Cops would wander by and peer down into your cup. "Whatcha got there?" What I want to know is this: where's the pressure coming from for the excessive legislation of "safety". I know it's a slow process, and it appears to be deeply rooted in our society today. It's trendy to be safe. "Public safety" sounds like a good reason to do just about anything, right? We all want safe roads. I know I do. But rather than actually do any driver training and testing worth a damn, our states hand out driver's licenses like raffle tickets. So we have a nation of mostly shitty drivers, and the only way to make it reasonably safe with them all on the road is to have speed limits that are often ridiculously low for those of us who know how to handle a vehicle and actually PAY ATTENTION when we drive/ride. Governments want us to be passive, contented little taxpayers, and lean on our pocketbooks if we step out of line. It infuriates me, yet I see no recourse: it certainly doesn't feel like "Of the people, by the people, and for the people". I suspect I'm not alone in feeling this way, but SOMEHOW the same "pass a new law to make it safer for the sheeple" crowd seem to continue running the show. It doesn't seem to matter whether they're donkeys or elephants, either. Rant over. Oh, and I've just put on my asbestos underwear, so go ahead and flame away. Damn this stuff is itchy. SignatureJamin Kortegard 2002 YZF-R1 / 2003 WRX "Hokey 600s and trackday usability are no match for a good literbike at your side, kid." - Michael >From: Jamin Kortegard >But rather than actually do any driver >training and testing worth a damn, our states hand out driver's licenses >like raffle tickets. So we have a nation of mostly shitty drivers, and the >only way to make it reasonably safe with them all on the road is to have >speed limits that are often ridiculously low for those of us who know how to >handle a vehicle and actually PAY ATTENTION when we drive/ride. Proactive vs reactive. Our country is currently in a gubment nannyism mode in a big way. Hopefully it won't be too much longer before the pendulum swings back the other way. It will have to eventually as our country can't afford to remain a police state indefinitely. > Proactive vs reactive. Our country is currently in a gubment nannyism mode in > a big way. Hopefully it won't be too much longer before the pendulum swings > back the other way. It will have to eventually as our country can't afford to > remain a police state indefinitely. Proactive vs. reactive, indeed. Also the current methodology feeds the hungry speed tax revenue monster. In contrast, a new, more rigorous training and testing regimen would make the money flow the other way, I would think. Maybe not though, if you factor in the costs of road repair, emergency services, and all the other costs associated with traffic accidents that could be avoided by more highly skilled drivers. I certainly hope you're right, that the pendulum will swing the other way. As far as I can remember it's been swinging this way for a long time. SignatureJamin Kortegard 2002 YZF-R1 / 2003 WRX "Hokey 600s and trackday usability are no match for a good literbike at your side, kid." - Michael >>From: Jamin Kortegard > [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] >big way. Hopefully it won't be too much longer before the pendulum swings back >the other way. Saddle it ain't gonna swing back. They have been chipping away at our freedoms for years. They have been steadily getting more involved in our lives, our money, our jobs, our education over the years. You got cameras popping up on street corners and highways. The Gummint is huge rich and powerful and we finance them. They are holding down the American people while exploiting them. They are the reason we are not wealthier as individuals and as a country hence our deficit. These rich corrupt politicians are running this great country into the ground while they continue to line their own pockets. Regards Michael H. Fell > Proactive vs reactive. Our country is currently in a gubment nannyism mode in a > big way. Bags... do you consider FDA inspectors insuring the meat you eat is safe part of the government nannyisum??? or should we get government completely out the business of safety??? Larry L 94 RC45 #2 Have a wheelie NICE day... Lean & Mean it in every corner of your life... If it wasn't for us the fast lane would rust... V4'S are music to the seat of my pants... 1952 De Havilland Chipmunk... Yank and bank your brains loose... http://members.ebay.com/aboutme/-xlax-/ http://home.comcast.net/~netters2/ http://www.fox302.com/index.pl?s=vg&user=netters2 >> Proactive vs reactive. Our country is currently in a gubment nannyism mode in a >> big way. > >Bags... do you consider FDA inspectors insuring the meat you eat is safe >part of the government nannyisum??? or should we get government >completely out the business of safety??? If our meat is safe why is my cholesterol through the roof?:-) Regards Michael H. Fell >From: Larry xlax Lovisone >Bags... do you consider FDA inspectors insuring the meat you eat is safe >part of the government nannyisum??? This gets a little sticky. While I am all for reasonable safeguards such as EPA, FDA, etc. They too need someone to keep their power in check. Just the other day I went out with the wife to a country mill for breakfast. Found out they had to get their pancake flour from New Jersey now. Seems Ohio told them they either had to start bleaching their wheat or they'd put them out of business. The mill had been serving up its tasty old fashion goodness for over a hundred years without a single complaint of food poisoning. Whaddya gonna do? >or should we get government >completely out the business of safety??? No, even in public transportation cops have their place. It would just be better served nailing aggressive drivers, stop light runners etc instead of hiding behind the bushes catching people driving perfectly SAFELY over the ridiculously low posted limits. That's all. But they're going to continue to go where the money is easy and people will continue to get killed in intersections. > Cops would wander by and peer > down into your cup. "Whatcha got there?" Chilled urine...want some? SignatureKurt Kesler >> 70 in a 50.... >> [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > All six of you got tickets, oh geez. Talk about bored cops. Maybe > you can explain why the other five didn't take off? Two reasons: 1) I saw sirens and lights when we were doing 30 in a 30 zone (town of Newhalem on Hwy 20). I pulled to the shoulder to let him by because I thought he was on a call. Turns out he was after us. By the time I realized that, we were already stopped and definitely on dashboard camera (if he had one). 2) No escape routes available at that location. If it had been somewhere with lots of intersecting roads, I may have taken a wrong turn and accidentally gotten lost from my friends for an hour or so. At the time, though, we were on Hwy 20 in Newhalem, many miles from the nearest intersecting road. SignatureJamin Kortegard 2002 YZF-R1 / 2003 WRX "Hokey 600s and trackday usability are no match for a good literbike at your side, kid." - Michael >Two reasons: > [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] >though, we were on Hwy 20 in Newhalem, many miles from the nearest >intersecting road. Alright, that makes sense. Deerslayer didn't understand the question. If I'm leading a ride of six bikes, and a cop shows up behind the last rider, guess what: I'm leaving. Adios, don't know 'em, never heard of 'em, all bad men for true and for sure. Just keep right on riding, like there ain't a care in the world. Dum de dum <whistling>. "Who, me?" I never, ever give the police any more information to work with than necessary. That shall not be confused with "noncooperation;" rather, "innocent until proven guilty." And we'll all wait five miles up the road, at the nearest convenient stop. Done it before, will do so again: if someone takes a Fall for The Man(tm), better just one than all six. But that didn't apply in this case, it would seem. Tsk tsk. '----------------------------------------------------- ' Daniel Bannon ' NW WA State, U.S.A. ' 2003 ZX636B Hercusaki, 1999 CBR1100XX '----------------------------------------------------- > >Two reasons: > > [quoted text clipped - 17 lines] > like there ain't a care in the world. Dum de dum <whistling>. "Who, > me?" Last time I did that, my "buddy" ratted me out. SignatureKurt Kesler > Last time I did that, my "buddy" ratted me out. What a jackass! It's not too hard to say "Nope. I don't know who that was. Never seen him before." SignatureJamin Kortegard 2002 YZF-R1 / 2003 WRX "Hokey 600s and trackday usability are no match for a good literbike at your side, kid." - Michael > > Last time I did that, my "buddy" ratted me out. > > > What a jackass! It's not too hard to say "Nope. I don't know who that was. > Never seen him before." You would think, wouldn't you? That was back in my squidly days, imitating Fast Freddie and Wes Cooley on a GS850L in the north Georgia mountains. Amazing how far you can hang off that bike with the pullback bars, step seat and pegs that are directly beneath you (instead of being stuck way up front). And those spindly, long forks with the 19" front rim. And the shaft drive. The tank slappers and close calls I could tell you about...sometimes I can't believe I am still alive to talk about them. SignatureKurt Kesler >>Two reasons: >> [quoted text clipped - 29 lines] > > But that didn't apply in this case, it would seem. Tsk tsk. Yeah cause the cop closed 2 lanes to stop us. SignatureAndrew 00 Speed Triple 00 Daytona > Two reasons: > [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > At the time, though, we were on Hwy 20 in Newhalem, many miles from > the nearest intersecting road. Was this a young cop with short blonde/reddish hair? He gave a group of us tickets two years ago, and all of us beat the tickets in court. He was grinning, he was so happy to ticket us speed-demons for doing 68 in a 55, just cruising home on a Sunday. I'm glad he didn't catch us on the Eastbound trip. SignatureGreg Sumner Seattle WA '03 CBR 600RR >> Two reasons: >> [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] > just cruising home on a Sunday. I'm glad he didn't catch us on the > Eastbound trip. Yup sounds like the same guy...A WSP dude, who is now sporting a mustache. SignatureAndrew 00 Speed Triple 00 Daytona > Was this a young cop with short blonde/reddish hair? He gave a group of us > tickets two years ago, and all of us beat the tickets in court. He was > grinning, he was so happy to ticket us speed-demons for doing 68 in a 55, > just cruising home on a Sunday. I'm glad he didn't catch us on the > Eastbound trip. Yep, sounds like the same guy. This time he had a mustache. He treated us decently, didn't get all high and mighty with a roadside lecture. When you beat the tickets in court, did YOU do it, or did you hire a pro? Regardless of whether we were speeding or not, I know the tickets are bogus. He claimed he paced us. All six of us! But we were strung out over half a mile of highway, with cars mixed in between us. There's no way he could have paced anyone but the one or two bikes at the back. I got the distinct impression though that arguing that point on the side of the road would have only worsened the situation, so I kept my mouth shut. SignatureJamin Kortegard 2002 YZF-R1 / 2003 WRX "Hokey 600s and trackday usability are no match for a good literbike at your side, kid." - Michael >> Was this a young cop with short blonde/reddish hair? He gave a >> group of us tickets two years ago, and all of us beat the tickets in [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] > the side of the road would have only worsened the situation, so I > kept my mouth shut. We fought the tickets ourselves and had the tickets dropped, though I think it was because the judge was in a good mood. I think we got the same cop though. The situation is too similar. What happened was sorta like this. We (3 of us) were in a traffic chain doing the speed limit when the cop went by us the other direction, a mile or two past the summit going West. We passed our line of traffic and were pretty much alone for the next 5 miles. I was in 2nd position, the leader about 30 yards ahead of me. 3rd rider was way back there, maybe 300+ yards and trying to catch up. Then suddenly I saw a car on his a.s pacing him, and knew instantly it was the cop from before. I was already doing about the limit so he could catch up, so I just watched. The 3rd rider never look in his mirrors and hit about 75 or 80 trying to catch us. When they got close enough he pulled us all over and 'averaged it out' and wrote as all tickets for 70. When we argued in court we said basically there was no way he could have paced us at 300+ yards. I mean he was just a little spec in my mirrors. Like I said I think we just got lucky. We found a technicality on the ticket and found that he didn't write the return address for the courthouse, which was a violation of "such and such" rule. I think the judge was just surprised that we did any homework at all and could cite the problem. So he looked it up but ruled it irrelevant since we obviously found the courthouse anyway. Then he just said the whole thing sounded fishy and let us go. But it happened to be a Friday and I think the judge just wanted to go to lunch. The good news is we got off, rode our bikes the long way home via Whidbey Island and considered ourselves lucky. Sound like you could subpoena the cop and make him state exactly how he managed to clock you all at once in all that traffic. I think it helps if you're all there to speak at once too. SignatureGreg Sumner Seattle WA '03 CBR 600RR > When we argued in court we said basically there was no way he could have > paced us at 300+ yards. Cops lie especially when you back'm in a corner with the truth... Take my case... I egged a Wichita cop on once by going 0 to 40 (speed limit) in 1.2 seconds... dicey but I asked for it... The cop drops his bear claw in front of the Quick Trip and is in low pursuit of my GPz550 down 4 lane Broadway... He was black out against the darkness but I still could track him in my mirrors thanks to the street lights... Finally he fired the "Oh sh.t" light... my only infraction was according to him... straight through exhaust... I showed the ticket to my friend... who happened to be the local Kawasaki dealer... who services all the city's Kawasaki Cop Sickels... My friend smiled and pull a KZ1000 Cop Sickel exhaust from the parts bin and said "if your straight through exhaust is illegal, then so is his" Sure enough you could see straight through the exhaust... I saluted him and packed it away in a brown paper for my court date... There I sat with a judge... the prosecutor and the cop... I was shaking with anticipation... The prosecutor proceeded to build up the cop as a "expert motorcyclist" and before he could go into my infraction I objected to the Judge that the cop was not an expert... The judge was amused enough to ask on what bases... I pulled the exhaust out of the bag and challenge the cop to identify the motorcycle part... The prosecutor jumped up in protest but the cop grabbed his arm and whisper into his ear... The cop was smiling... the procreator was smiling... I was smiling... the Judge tossed his arms up and motioned for me to proceed... "Can you name the part..." I asked the motorcycle expert... "Yes your Honor, it's a KZ1000 Kawasaki Police bike exhaust" he beamed. "Correct your honor but if my straight through exhaust is illegal then so is the city's KZ1000s" Before the Prosecutor could jump up and objected... the Judge motioned for him to sit down... then the Judge motioned for me to bring the chrome KZ1000 exhaust to the bench... He tips one end to the lights and peers straight through and gives it back... The Judge announces unless the officer had anything else to being up he was going to dismiss the charge... Prosecutor and motorcycle expert go into a huddle and state a bold face lie "yes your Honor Mr. Lovisone was speeding in excess of 90 mph" Before I could object the judge motion for me to say seated... Judge "you mean to say that Mr. Lovisone was speeding over 90 mph down residential Broadway?" Nervous Prosecutor "yes your Honor, excess of 90 mph" Judge "I don't believe you... you're free to go Mr. Lovisone... not you Mr. Prosecutor or Mr. Motorcycle expert... I wish to have words with you in my chamber" The judge must have been harsh because it didn't end there... no sir... the motorcycle expert cop would stop me every time he saw me... regardless... and would call me "Kenny Roberts" and proceed to chew my a.s out that he was right and I was wrong in court... I countered that he was some motorcycle expert because he couldn't get the facts straight that Eddie rode Kawasaki not Kenny... Well as you can imagine after 3 years I grew weary of the same routine... in fact nobody would ride with me for fear of being stopped... for nothing... I was so relieve the day I haul my a.s out of Kansas within hours of retiring never to return... Larry L 94 RC45 #2 Have a wheelie NICE day... Lean & Mean it in every corner of your life... If it wasn't for us the fast lane would rust... V4'S are music to the seat of my pants... 1952 De Havilland Chipmunk... Yank and bank your brains loose... http://members.ebay.com/aboutme/-xlax-/ http://home.comcast.net/~netters2/ http://www.fox302.com/index.pl?s=vg&user=netters2 >From: "Andrew" >We weren't speeding, he radar'ed the 1st guy at 65, the cop said. Then he >paced 5 other bikes at 70? With cars in between us, etc. How did he get you all to pull over, particularly with traffic in between? 6 Tix in 1 stop! Mercy Andrew... 6 in 1... do you think your cop earned enough brownie points??? Hey are the Northwest Horde flying blind in the face of the mounting micro wave wars??? Larry L 94 RC45 #2 Have a wheelie NICE day... Lean & Mean it in every corner of your life... If it wasn't for us the fast lane would rust... V4'S are music to the seat of my pants... 1952 De Havilland Chipmunk... Yank and bank your brains loose... http://members.ebay.com/aboutme/-xlax-/ http://home.comcast.net/~netters2/ http://www.fox302.com/index.pl?s=vg&user=netters2 > 6 Tix in 1 stop! > [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > Hey are the Northwest Horde flying blind in the face of the mounting micro > wave wars??? Most of us are. I only know a few people who run them. I don't mainly cause I have (had) a clean record and rarely get stopped. When I do get stopped, I usually just get a warning due to my clean record. When I do get a ticket, I ALWAYS fight it. It just hasn't become a need for me with no points on my record. SignatureAndrew 00 Speed Triple 00 Daytona > 70 in a 50.... > [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > > Gonna have to fight it out in court! Sounds like with the right research and presentation its a winnable case. Phil Scott |
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