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Motorcycle Forum / General / Sportbikes / September 2004Is this too hot for the street??(small crappy vid of me)
I never been to a trackday, and I just got introduced to technical street curves a couple years ago. I hang out with some riders that have a real strong pace. We bang the tight twistee every chance we get. Being with them my pace has increased. The other day, one rider caught me on his digital camera going around some tight curves. When it was posted, I got flamed by some for riding too hot on the street. I don't understand it. All I am doing it hitting some nice curves at a nice pace. I wear full gear all the time, ride within my pace, and watch out for others. Can't do anymore then that. Here is the crappy video..My Sato pipes are out of this world!! :) http://mysite.verizon.net/cehowardrc51/c33v2.avi You might need a codec or a divvx something to play it.. ceh 2001 GSX R1000 2003 RC51 (63 & fast) >From: "Coleman E. Howard" >Here is the crappy video..My Sato pipes are out of this world!! :) > >http://mysite.verizon.net/cehowardrc51/c33v2.avi Damnit Coleman, why do you bait us only to get this "locked out" bullshit. We miss you dog. Coming back and pulling this BS is not going to win you new friends. > >From: "Coleman E. Howard" > [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > miss you dog. Coming back and pulling this BS is not going to win you new > friends. Keep trying it will work.. :) That is my verizon crap.. Not only that, here is the link to where I am getting flamed by some, and praised by others. They also have a link to how to get the codec.. Nah, you know I wouldn't bait you all!! Plus, my riding has always been a mystery..(smile).. Sheesh, I know Troy is going to beat up on me big time.. Here is the link to the site.. http://speedzilla.zeroforum.com/zerothread?id=32676 Miss you guys/gals too.. :) ceh 2001 GSX R1000 2003 RC51 (63 & fast) >I never been to a trackday, and I just got introduced to technical street > curves a couple years ago. I hang out with some riders that have a real [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > all the time, ride within my pace, and watch out for others. Can't do > anymore then that. Couldn't see the vid, but if you are riding fast at 63, then more power to you! They're just getting on you cause you look 33, not 63.  SignatureAndrew 00 Speed Triple 00 Daytona > >I never been to a trackday, and I just got introduced to technical street > > curves a couple years ago. I hang out with some riders that have a real [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > you! > They're just getting on you cause you look 33, not 63. Well, not only that, but my riding is a little on the young side too. :) I just posted a link to some of the flames I have been getting. I am "cehowardrc51" on that site. Also, the flames are in the minority, but they still bothered me. I have come a long way since I first posted here. Learned a lot of my chit in the ng too. I don't ride with the crazy street crowd no more, and no way do I go fast on the highway. I do all my chit in the real tight twisty roads, when the way is clear. I wear full gear all the time, stay in my pace, and watch out for others. Can't do anymore.. I am not a potted plant! :) ceh 2001 GSX R1000 2003 RC51 (63 & fast) >From: "Coleman E. Howard" > I do all my chit in the real tight twisty >roads, when the way is clear. West Virginia is great that way. But stop posting these a.s kicking vids. Pretty soon EVERYone will know our little secret. BTW, you guys looked great out there. A little faster than I care to run down the straights, but you cats were all the biz in the corners. Please post it in abpms or somesimular place, in a format that we all can see! Nobody will see it where you have it! Greg > Please post it in abpms or somesimular place, in a format that we all can > see! > Nobody will see it where you have it! > Greg Greg, I don't know what is with that verizon site that I have. But, rest assure, others have got it from that site. They also have got the codec in which they need to play. Then they flamed my old azz!! :( First the dumb sight comes up with that "locked" stuff every once in a while. Then when you do get it, you have to have all the latest updates. What can I say? I am an azzhole! :) ceh > > Please post it in abpms or somesimular place, in a format that we all can > > see! [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > > ceh I got through from the other site. Yup! They are right! You are a crazy bastard!;-) Really, I have thought about getting the proper gear and playing some too, but roads around here are straight as an arrow for the most part! Greg > I got through from the other site. Yup! They are right! You are a crazy > bastard!;-) > Really, I have thought about getting the proper gear and playing some too, > but roads around here are straight as an arrow for the most part! > Greg Ahh, come on Greg, I ain't crazy. :)..I am a freak of nature, and I am loving every second of this chit. I don't know how long it will last, but I am going to use it until I can't use it no more! My old azz is headed for a rockin chair. :).. I ain't supposed to save chit. :).. ceh That wasn't even the tight parts of that run. Like I said, I hang with a real fast crew. They leave me. But, most of the time when I go one of those group rides, I get accused of following the fast riders too close! > Nobody will see it where you have it! That's what _she_ said.... SignatureDenise AFM #732 denise dot howard at comcast dot net '88 EX250 racebike | '00 SV650 | '00 929 Lippman Racing CBR 400RR > > Nobody will see it where you have it! > > That's what _she_ said.... I use to ask what leg is it on? :) ceh >I never been to a trackday, and I just got introduced to technical street >curves a couple years ago. I hang out with some riders that have a real [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > >You might need a codec or a divvx something to play it.. I didn't see a problem with it at all, looked like a nice controlled ride to me. I don't think I even saw 3 figures on the speedo ;-) SignatureJohn '00 SV650S www.hillsidesolutions.co.uk > >I never been to a trackday, and I just got introduced to technical street > >curves a couple years ago. I hang out with some riders that have a real [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] > I didn't see a problem with it at all, looked like a nice controlled > ride to me. I don't think I even saw 3 figures on the speedo ;-) Thank you, thank you John... All we were doing was hitting some nice curves at a brisk pace, when the way was clear. I am not about all that speed. I like to feel the rush of the curve.. Sheesh, I really like the 15mph turns :) ceh 2001 GSX R1000 2003 RC51 (63 & fast) > I never been to a trackday, and I just got introduced to technical > street curves a couple years ago. I hang out with some riders that [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > > You might need a codec or a divvx something to play it.. Coleman, you look good to me my man. Those Sato’s do sound good too I must admit! If you’d like, I can post your vid to the sportbike binary group, I was able to save it off your site. -- Scott Triumph Daytona > > I never been to a trackday, and I just got introduced to technical > > street curves a couple years ago. I hang out with some riders that [quoted text clipped - 21 lines] > Scott > Triumph Daytona No problem. Post it anywhere.By the way, one of the Satos pipes had a weld failure. They have 23,000 miles on them. One call to Dan Kyle, then an email, resulting in two brand new Carbon Fiber Banzai cans straight from Japan two weeks later.. Will put them on tomorrow. Those Sato's pipes sound like a Meseraita with an attitude. :) ceh 2001 GSX R1000 2003 RC51 (63 & fast) > No problem. Post it anywhere Ok, for those of you that couldn’t download it off of Coleman’s link and wish to view it, you can get it at alt.binaries.pictures.motorcycles.sportbike under “Coleman hitting some curves in W.V.” -- Scott > I never been to a trackday, and I just got introduced to technical > street curves a couple years ago. I hang out with some riders that [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > gear all the time, ride within my pace, and watch out for others. > Can't do anymore then that. Coleman, If you're on a very familiar road with reasonably predictable conditions, then you're doing just fine. If this was your first time on a road with unknown traffic conditions, shame on you... ;-) Looking good... Steve SignatureSteve Keith - in reverse order of procurement: 2002 Blue Daytona 1983 GS1100ED (GS2) - eBay, rode it to PHX from San Jose via the PCH - sweet! 1993 GSX1100F Fat Kat 1983 GS1100ED (GS1) My wife says: "Buell rhymes with Stool" >> I never been to a trackday, and I just got introduced to technical >> street curves a couple years ago. I hang out with some riders that [quoted text clipped - 17 lines] > >Steve Hey Steve how is the wife doing? I hope she is doing well and good luck with the child on the way. Regards Michael H. Fell >>> I never been to a trackday, and I just got introduced to technical >>> street curves a couple years ago. I hang out with some riders that [quoted text clipped - 20 lines] > Hey Steve how is the wife doing? I hope she is doing well and good > luck with the child on the way. Mean as hell... in other words, she's fine... ;-) Only 19 days to go, and she's counting every second. Thanks for asking, Steve SignatureSteve Keith - in reverse order of procurement: 2002 Blue Daytona 1983 GS1100ED (GS2) - eBay, rode it to PHX from San Jose via the PCH - sweet! 1993 GSX1100F Fat Kat 1983 GS1100ED (GS1) > I never been to a trackday, and I just got introduced to technical street > curves a couple years ago. Get your a.s to a trackday already, if you think this > http://mysite.verizon.net/cehowardrc51/c33v2.avi is anything other than the usual squidly crap pulled by ex riders and current paraplegics. Coleman seriously....I realize that "living to the max" might be interesting to someone of your advancing years, particularly if you weren't young and stupid like most of us, but entering corners on the yellow line because you think you need that EXTRA edge is just plain silly. And some of those corners you are slamming through with such zest? Can I say it more than once? Guiderail.....guiderail.....guiderail.....you know what happens when THAT is your impact zone? I say good for you that you didn't hit a patch of dirt on this particular ride and get killed....now stop pretending that some twisty road somewhere is your personal racetrack and get out to where everyone can be a hero and where no one can use the other side of the road as a little "extra" room to keep up with faster buddies, or outrun slower ones. >> I never been to a trackday, and I just got introduced to >technical street [quoted text clipped - 23 lines] >can use the other side of the road as a little "extra" room >to keep up with faster buddies, or outrun slower ones. On, or very close to, the line is just about the best place to be when entering a right hand bend, at any speed. It's all about maximising your view through the turn. There's no silliness about that, if something is coming round the bend you'll see it in plenty of time. Similarly there are benefits to keeping to the right when entering a left hand bend. Obviously in a left hand bend, the line is the last place you want to be. While perhaps not at legal speeds, nothing in that ride was out of control. The bad news for the sanctimonious among us? If that patch of dirt is going to get you, it's going to get you. We all run that risk, even if we've never broken a traffic law in our lives. If you're not comfortable with that level of risk that's your concern. You stated in another thread that it's a free country, if Coleman is content with his level of risk then let him get on with it. SignatureJohn '00 SV650S www.hillsidesolutions.co.uk > On, or very close to, the line is just about the best place to be when > entering a right hand bend, at any speed. It's all about maximising [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > in another thread that it's a free country, if Coleman is content with > his level of risk then let him get on with it. I really did not see a problem either, unless you just want to beat him for road racing in general. He stayed in his lane. Some vids I see tha squid all over the road, useing both lanes on blind coners! At least if you stay in your lane the only thing you have to deal with is road condition. No dodging oncoming traffic! Looked like a fun ride! I wish we had roads like that around here! Greg > I really did not see a problem either, unless you just want to beat him for > road racing in general. > He stayed in his lane. Wrong. Go back and watch the right hander where he was about 1 to 2 feet left of center....since when is that his lane? > > I really did not see a problem either, unless you just > want to beat him for [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > Wrong. Go back and watch the right hander where he was about > 1 to 2 feet left of center....since when is that his lane? Watched it again, never saw him cross the yellow other than the pass in the beginning. He rode the yellow a few times, but never crossed from my view. If I am wrong, give me the time stamp in the vid when it happened. I have seen simular vids were the riders were ALL over the road, shoulder to shoulder. Looked like a fairly conservative ride to me. Greg > Watched it again, never saw him cross the yellow other than the > pass in the beginning. He rode the yellow a few times, but never > crossed from my view. If I am wrong, give me the time stamp in the > vid when it happened. I have seen simular vids were the riders > were ALL over the road, shoulder to shoulder. Looked like a fairly > conservative ride to me. You’re right, you didn’t miss anything. From the video, it looked like Coleman had a full view anytime he was on the yellow. Except for one left hander, he wasn’t crowding the center line either. That’s more than I can say for the camera man on the R6 following him however. -- Scott > > > He stayed in his lane. > > [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > Watched it again, never saw him cross the yellow other than the pass in the > beginning. Go check out 2:02 and 2:22 of the video. 2:22 is hard to tell, the line is pretty washed out, color wise, on 2:02 he is either on the yellow line on the far side, or on the far side of it, again, the video quality makes it hard to tell. either way, its the same problem I explained to John, since when is it necessary to use any part of the other lane when doing a corner on the street unless you are making it as fast a corner as possible? > He rode the yellow a few times, but never crossed from my view. you could be right, I've watched it half a dozen times now, and I can't tell how fast the line is breaking right versus how fast he is. Myself, I wouldn't want to initiate a turn right there on the yellow line, but he's either doing it on the line, or crossing it right after he starts the turn. > If I am wrong, give me the time stamp in the vid when it happened. > I have seen simular vids were the riders were ALL over the road, shoulder to > shoulder. Looked like a fairly conservative ride to me. Using the other lane, or even, if I were to be even more reasonable, the line markings in the middle of the road, is not usually a good thing. Ever. Doesn't mean I haven't done things I don't like right on that line, just means I know the difference between what I ought to be doing versus what I ought not to be doing. > > > > He stayed in his lane. > > > [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] > doing a corner on the street unless you are making it as > fast a corner as possible? Looks like he rode the line, but never actually entered the other lane. Greg >> > > > He stayed in his lane. >> > > [quoted text clipped - 18 lines] > Looks like he rode the line, but never actually entered the other lane. > Greg One thing is sure, riding the yellow line is just as bad as being in the other lane. 1st off the lines are slippery, secondly, 'you touch the line you crash' should be your motto on the street! Like I said earlier, I couldn't view the vid due to laziness. Please read the paragraph below. YOUR LANE IS YOUR LIMIT .... Crossing the centerline at any time except during a passing maneuver is intolerable, another sign that you're pushing too hard to keep up. Even when you have a clean line of sight through a left-hand kink, stay to the right of the centerline. Staying on the right side of the centerline is much more challenging than simply straightening every slight corner, and when the whole group is committed to this intelligent practice, the temptation to cheat is eliminated through peer pressure and logic. Though street riding shouldn't be described in racing terms, you can think of your lane as the race track. Leaving your lane is tantamount to a crash. http://www.ridehsta.com/html/safety.htm SignatureAndrew 00 Speed Triple 00 Daytona > .... Crossing the centerline at any time except during a passing maneuver is > intolerable, another sign that you're pushing too hard to keep up. See....and I don't even have to be a fast street rider to know this...I've even already posted a good bashing of Coleman elsewhere for just this thing. Great, conservative, trackriding minds must think alike. > > .... Crossing the centerline at any time except during a > passing maneuver is [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > Coleman elsewhere for just this thing. Great, conservative, > trackriding minds must think alike. Sheesh, you always bash me! :) ceh > > > .... Crossing the centerline at any time except during a > > passing maneuver is [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > > Sheesh, you always bash me! :) I seem to recall the last time you came here with a "a member of my riding group got splattered because he was being silly" I recommended a new group. Did you find another group which thinks trackdays on the street are okay rather than wheelies on the beltway? The count over the last year or so is one dead due to freaking out over cattle on the road while running 100 on a straight, one in a coma because, apparently, his front tire blew when he put down a standup wheelie and got catapulted into rocks, ( left behind a family and new house this one did ) a won't walk anymore because of a chest high impact with a guiderail....and I'm sure I could come up with more "trackdays on the street" or "wheelies are good for everyone" results but I imagine you get the point. >> > > .... Crossing the centerline at any time except during > a [quoted text clipped - 27 lines] > "trackdays on the street" or "wheelies are good for > everyone" results but I imagine you get the point. I've seen tons of em.... Google up Andrew and lunchride to see a few. The last one was the one Tim Lowe and I saw, which included a Flaming Gixxer after a wheelie gone bad on 405. I've been lucky this year...The only wreck I've know someone to partake in was Bannon highsiding in Turn 7 at PR. He came back to the pits with a smile on his face. Don't forget that he is not human, he is part sasquatch. SignatureAndrew 00 Speed Triple 00 Daytona >From: "Greg O" >Looked like a fairly conservative ride to me. >Greg To me too. They were winding up the engines in first or second gear, but they were actually only taking the 20-30 mph corners around 50-60 mph. Well within reason IMO. > > I really did not see a problem either, unless you just > want to beat him for [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > Wrong. Go back and watch the right hander where he was about > 1 to 2 feet left of center....since when is that his lane? Ahhh sheesh Troy, wasn't nothing coming down that side, I had full view! :) Don't be such a stuff shirt.. Loosen up!! :) I knew when I put that vid up, I said to myself, Troy is going to jump and down! :) I got a real good compliment the other day. I was with a fast crowd, and I happened to be tailing the fastest one. On three curves one right after another, I locked in on his rear, and he was doing a lot of real late breaking. Using him for my guide, I copyed his movements, and went through and came out real hot right with him a couple yards off his rear. He looked back and gave me the high sign...Sheesh, all the phuckin money in the world can't give me that feeling.. :) Now, if I was at a track, I guess what I was doing would be something like following a control rider.. Anyway, cool down Troy. The old man is not going to steal any of your thunder..I will never chase you down and lock on to your rear!!! Haaaaaaaaaaaaaa!!!!!!! :) :) ceh 2001 GSX R1000 2003 RC51 (63 & fast) > Anyway, cool down Troy. The old man is not going to steal any of your > thunder..I will never chase you down and lock on to your rear!!! > > Haaaaaaaaaaaaaa!!!!!!! :) :) To do so, and for it to mean anything, would require you to break open the piggy bank and get thee to a track Coleman. Pueblo costs $45 for half a day, I'll be there within the next 2 or 3 weeks. Coming out this way? > > Anyway, cool down Troy. The old man is not going to steal > any of your [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > Pueblo costs $45 for half a day, I'll be there within the > next 2 or 3 weeks. Coming out this way? Why can't the tracks around here be$45 a shot? I could fight one of those two or three times and month, and wouldn't have to miss any meals.. :) Sheesh, I couldn't afford the gas money out there! ;( ceh 2001 GSX R1000 2003 RC51 (63 & fast) >> > Anyway, cool down Troy. The old man is not going to steal >> any of your [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > > Sheesh, I couldn't afford the gas money out there! ;( Coleman, don't do it, you're too skinny to miss meals! :-) SignatureAndrew 00 Speed Triple 00 Daytona > >> > Anyway, cool down Troy. The old man is not going to steal > >> any of your [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] > > :-) You got that right. And with $45 being the fee, I wouldn't miss none! :) ceh > Sheesh, I couldn't afford the gas money out there! ;( > > ceh Right. And for $150 you can do a NESBA most everywhere on the east coast. Pick one and go meet the REAL fast guys already. > > Sheesh, I couldn't afford the gas money out there! ;( > > [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > the east coast. Pick one and go meet the REAL fast guys > already. My mentors all have Nesba #. In fact, today, they invited me to Summit Point to sit in the pits and watch. I was too tired from the Saturday ride to go. Yeah, my buddies are all track freaks, and they are trying their damest to get me to the track.. I will pop this cherry real soon. :) ceh > > > Sheesh, I couldn't afford the gas money out there! ;( > > > [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > > > My mentors all have Nesba #. Well good for them. So now that you've found a more informed group to ride with, why don't you go do what they do and get your own? You can mooch off them to save travel money, all you need is the track fee. I would, however, bash a NESBA member who does what you do on the street, however. The number alone won't save them from sarcastic bashing if they still haven't learned where to speed, and where to sport. > In fact, today, they invited me to Summit Point to sit in the pits and > watch. I was too tired from the Saturday ride to go. Yeah, my buddies are > all track freaks, and they are trying their damest to get me to the track.. > I will pop this cherry real soon. :) Weren't you dishing out this same line a year ago? Go do it already, we got Saddle out to a track this summer, join the club already and then come back here and tell us how fast you feel like going on the street. > > > > Sheesh, I couldn't afford the gas money out there! ;( > > > > [quoted text clipped - 29 lines] > club already and then come back here and tell us how fast > you feel like going on the street. Doing what I do on the street???? Where you get that line from??? Not going to let you get away with that one. :) That vid shows some brisk riding, that's all. So, don't say that is out of line, and come with that "better than thou" track stuff.. :) chill out troy...:) ceh >> > > > Sheesh, I couldn't afford the gas money out there! ;( >> > > > [quoted text clipped - 39 lines] > > ceh Troy, chill out? Oh come on... :) "Steve Mackay" <steve_mackay@hotmail.com> wrote in message > > Troy, chill out? Oh come on... > :) Steve, this last weekend, on that same section of curves, somebody dropped some dollar bills in the road. My buddy and I came around all the way leaned over, and started scooping up the money. If I show that pic, Troy will bust a vein! :).. Troy is okay.Everybody knows about his mouth!! :) ceh >From: "Troy the Troll" >Weren't you dishing out this same line a year ago? Go do it >already, we got Saddle out to a track this summer, join the >club already and then come back here and tell us how fast >you feel like going on the street. As I pointed out at the time, the backside of Gratton reminded me of a good WV backroad. You can really fly down the straights at the track without worrying about cops though...if pinning the throttle presses your buttons. >From: "Troy the Troll" >Wrong. Go back and watch the right hander where he was about >1 to 2 feet left of center....since when is that his lane? I assume you mean the guy in front of Coleman. The guy could see for about a mile ahead from his vantage point. Was it tad sloppy, OK, but certainly nothing terribly dangerous. Go back and watch some of the Phoenix vids of folks running around blind lefts with tires well into the oncoming traffics lane. Now that sh.t was scary. > >I say good for you that you didn't hit a patch of dirt on > >this particular ride and get killed....now stop pretending [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > your view through the turn. There's no silliness about that, if > something is coming round the bend you'll see it in plenty of time. Let me see if I understand this then...its okay to go into a right hander by starting in the OTHER lane because gee....it helps you see better? Why would you need to see better if you weren't already in the other guys lane and weren't worried about getting creamed because you are somewhere you aren't supposed to be? I rode 200 miles today and not ONCE did I feel the need to enter a right hander 2 feet left of center so I could SEE better. There is plenty of silliness here, because Coleman wasn't trying to SEE better, he was trying to widen the corner....something I've seen before...plenty...and the people who then freaked out when they SAW oncoming traffic, realized that SEEING them was great but they shouldn't be in the other guys lane in the first place, and then threw away the bike and got run over. Gee.....myself....I would rather than been in my lane and not worried about oncoming traffic even if I could see it a nano second later because of where I was in MY lane. > Similarly there are benefits to keeping to the right when entering a > left hand bend. Obviously in a left hand bend, the line is the last > place you want to be. Look at Colemans head and shoulders in that one fast sweeper to the left and tell me where you think his head and shoulders are? > While perhaps not at legal speeds, nothing in that ride was out of > control. Absolutely correct. Just stupider than hell. >The bad news for the sanctimonious among us? If that patch of > dirt is going to get you, it's going to get you. Sure will....and it'll get me alot less if I'm not dragging my knee through it, versus some more reasonable speed which doesn't require both lanes to make a corner. >We all run that risk, > even if we've never broken a traffic law in our lives. If you're not > comfortable with that level of risk that's your concern. You stated > in another thread that it's a free country, if Coleman is content with > his level of risk then let him get on with it. It is a free country, but when he scares an oncoming Cadillac into the bushes on the other side of the road ( seen this one up close and personal as well ) who do you think gets the blame? The standard incompetent cager or the idiot who ran him off the road because he convinced the incompetent cager he REALLY needed his lane to see better? > There is plenty of silliness here, because Coleman wasn't > trying to SEE better, he was trying to widen the > corner....something I've seen before...plenty...and the > people who then freaked out when they SAW oncoming traffic, (snipped for space) Ahhhaaahhh cool down Troy...:) Here another one of those curves in the series.. Look, you can see all around the joint.. http://mysite.verizon.net/cehowardrc51/w33772.jpg Also the opposite happened to me about 3 months ago. On that same section of roads, I was taking a hard right hander. I am looking through the curve, when all of a sudden out of my periphial vision, I see a tractor trailer coming down the other side, and taking HALF MY LANE!!! In a split second, I made my mind up, that if that truck is going to hit, he will have to hit me, because there is no way under the sun, with me being leaned all the way over, that I was going to look at that TRUCK! I kept looking through the curve, and came out fast. So, that other lane stuff is always there. Sheesh, I can come out the house and slip on a phuckin banana peel. What I gonna do, stop walking.. Take a chill pill Troy!! :) Life is too phuckin short! :) ceh 2001 GSX R1000 2003 RC51 (63 & fast) > Ahhhaaahhh cool down Troy...:) > > Here another one of those curves in the series.. Look, you can see all > around the joint.. > http://mysite.verizon.net/cehowardrc51/w33772.jpg gee Coleman...you can see the entire corner...I guess I'll go run it using any and all lanes available? Sorry...you can keep it...I've seen the resulting damage from crossing center, plus, if I forget, I can go look at my own xrays of my back...nope...no more crossing center. I consider it as good as a crash nowadays...helps keep me honest. > Take a chill pill Troy!! :) Life is too phuckin short! :) Particularly for soccer moms in your neighborhood, eh Coleman? > So, that other lane stuff is always there. Sheesh, I can come out the house > and slip on a phuckin banana peel. What I gonna do, stop walking.. [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > 2003 RC51 > (63 & fast) Yup, that is what I figgure. when your number comes, there ain't nothing your gonna do about it, but untill then, have fun, but don't push your luck. Hell, you could die anyone of a million ways! Slip in the shower, car crash, eat a bad hamburger. What are you gonna do, stop living just so you don't die? Greg > What are you gonna do, stop living just so you don't die? > Greg You go to a racetrack and have at it until hell won't have you, and the bike is wadded and burning at the end of the day but you, probably, are still in one piece. Its like saying "Hey...I've got a Corvette..how come I can't pretend I'm in the Indy 500 during rush hour traffic! It ain't fair! I should just go blasting along, doing whatever I want because hey! When some idiot pulls out of a lane in front of my silly 150mph a.s....my time must be up!" >> What are you gonna do, stop living just so you don't die? >> Greg [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > I want because hey! When some idiot pulls out of a lane in > front of my silly 150mph a.s....my time must be up!" An interesting side note I had a conversation with my father in law regarding the Corvette. I asked him how the heck a modern sportscar with 400 HP and 400 ft lbs of torque could still be using an old style pushrod engine. It seems to me it should be Overhead Cam (Single or Double) by now. He told me that GM has always subscribed to the theory that with the pushrod engine they can get the center of gravity lower. I figure that you put a modern V8 with overhead cams and you can stop worrying about where the COG lives, and start having more reliable fun at higher RPM's. Any comments regarding this? Larry what do you think seeing as you own one? SignatureAndrew 00 Speed Triple 00 Daytona > Its like saying "Hey...I've got a Corvette..how come I can't > pretend I'm in the Indy 500 during rush hour traffic! It > ain't fair! I should just go blasting along, doing whatever > I want because hey! When some idiot pulls out of a lane in > front of my silly 150mph a.s....my time must be up!" In my opinion that is a little differant than just burning through some twistes. With your logic you better just stay off the road completely, 'cuz you could be driving long, 5MPH under the limit, and granny could decide to turn into your lane, with no time to react too. They were not riding in rush hour traffic. They were not doing 150 MPH. Greg > > Its like saying "Hey...I've got a Corvette..how come I can't > > pretend I'm in the Indy 500 during rush hour traffic! It [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > you could be driving long, 5MPH under the limit, and granny could decide to > turn into your lane, with no time to react too. Not my logic...the logic of people who say "when my time is up my time is up....so the rest of the time I'm going to use the other lane...scare soccer moms into a ditch and in general do whatever I want that feels good!" My logic is quite different and more restrained. > They were not riding in rush hour traffic. They were not doing 150 MPH. > Greg And so blitzing the local twisties at what, 40mph over is okay, because it isn't 60 mph over? And as far as lane markers...hey...don't need'im....don't matter much....lets all pretend its VIR and the championship is on the line! >From: "Greg O" >They were not riding in rush hour traffic. They were not doing 150 MPH. >Greg Hey, who are you to bring facts into this hypothetical nonsense? > > What are you gonna do, stop living just so you don't die? > > Greg [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > I want because hey! When some idiot pulls out of a lane in > front of my silly 150mph a.s....my time must be up!" Troy, I got a good idea!! (big grin).. You get all the riders to go to the track, and leave all the sweet twisty roads alone. :). .That way, the cops want be hangin around, and others that think like me can have a ball! Sheesh, they closed down one of my good watering holes, because a lot of people were crashing..Now, if all the riders stop going to the sweet twistees, there will be no more complaints, and Coleman can ride till is heart content! :) ceh > Troy, I got a good idea!! (big grin).. > > You get all the riders to go to the track, and leave all the sweet twisty > roads alone. :). .That way, the cops want be hangin around, and others that > think like me can have a ball! I've noticed alot more people going to the track since I started back in the 80's. More track org's, more schools, lots more open dates, there used to be reasonable excuses for not going, it was expensive, not everyone had leathers and not as many manufacturers sold them, track dates were limited and racing was about the only good way to hit alot of tracks in a summer. But even with the availability of tracktime, there are still those who think that a wide open piece of public asphalt is a wonderful place to do 205mph or to practice leaning over as far as they can or dragging their knee's or wheelies or whatever. Unfortunate with the availability of tracktime but predictable. > Sheesh, they closed down one of my good watering holes, because a lot of > people were crashing..Now, if all the riders stop going to the sweet > twistees, there will be no more complaints, and Coleman can ride till is > heart content! :) Nice logic. "Gee...if everyone is smarter than me and goes to a track, I will have all those public roads to myself to scare soccer moms into a ditch!" I have a question for you, I got a buddy, had a ZX-10R down Virginia way, him and the buddies headed out towards the Shenandoah parkway and blue ridge and that neck of the woods every weekend they could...he was selling the zx10 and I asked him why, he mentioned alot of police presence along his favorite roads, all the crashing had alerted the constables that idiots on sportbikes were present, you wouldn't be in the same neck of the woods as him would you? > > Troy, I got a good idea!! (big grin).. > > [quoted text clipped - 39 lines] > constables that idiots on sportbikes were present, you > wouldn't be in the same neck of the woods as him would you? The exact same area. They closed down one part, and I have moved over to W. VA, where that vid was taken. But, they are crashing there too. About a month ago, and kid crashed real bad following me. He did something wrong in a curve, low-sided, and the bike and him with across the double yellow into an oncoming volvo. The bike hit the volvo head on, he bounced off the side. Severe leg fractures, and bad concussion. He got a helicopter ride. However, as long as they make motorcycles, people will crash. Just like with guns, people will do bad things with them. So, you can't just come down on the law-abiding citizens for what the crooks do. Same with the motorcycle, you can't come down on responsible motorcycle riders like me, just because a lot of squids are crashing. :) ceh > > and I > > asked him why, he mentioned alot of police presence along [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > > However, as long as they make motorcycles, people will crash. Sure will. And the faster they crash, the higher percentage of fatalities I imagine. And the more weenies who figure a public highway is a track, the more crashes. >Just like with > guns, people will do bad things with them. So, you can't just come down on > the law-abiding citizens for what the crooks do. Same with the motorcycle, > you can't come down on responsible motorcycle riders like me, just because a > lot of squids are crashing. :) What are you talking about Coleman? YOU are a squid, responsible riders don't require the other guys lane for cornering. Go back and read what Andrew posted, it is exactly on point. Leaving your lane is tantamount to running off the track and crashing....if you can't stay in your lane how the hell are you supposed to know what a corner is when whenever it pleases you, you just make it bigger? Right up until the inopportune SUV shows up. > > > and I > > > asked him why, he mentioned alot of police presence [quoted text clipped - 41 lines] > whenever it pleases you, you just make it bigger? Right up > until the inopportune SUV shows up. Now you are calling me a "squid"..:).. Where are the freaking moderators around here??? Troy, you are "out to lunch"...I give it to you, you are an accomplished rider, and dam good at it too. But, you are not God, what you say isn't "Gospel". So, in the friendly way I can put it, take you "squid" crap, and stow it.. This is a world of opinions.We all have them. Just like azzholes. To call me a squid, because I do fast canyon riding is way out of line. Put a big lid on that "better than thou" stuff.. :) ceh > Now you are calling me a "squid"..:).. Where are the freaking moderators > around here??? Example. Several years ago at the usual gathering of esportbike.com types, everyone at the lunch table was talking about how they WEREN'T squids. They referenced the gear the wore, how many of them hadn't even crashed within the last 6 months, how they could handle corners from wherever they wished....I saw 20-somethings, center crossing, street tire specialists who then, within an hour, proceeded to scare said Cadillac off the road passing on double yellows into a dip where there was no visibility...typical stuff....it doesn't matter what gear you wear, squids are squids, and aren't usually concealed by leather. One turn up a nice road is usually all it takes. Thanks for the video taped evidence allowing me to use the term "squid" when referring to you. Up until now I just figured you enjoyed hanging out with stunters who got themselves hurt in single vehicle accidents on beltways. > Troy, you are "out to lunch"...I give it to you, you are an accomplished > rider, and dam good at it too. But, you are not God, what you say isn't > "Gospel". Go read what Andrew posted. Perfectly on topic and quite reasonable. Sorry you don't like it. > So, in the friendly way I can put it, take you "squid" crap, and stow it.. oh Coleman! Now I'm all a quiver! > This is a world of opinions.We all have them. Just like azzholes. To call > me > a squid, because I do fast canyon riding is way out of line. Fast canyon riding usually doesn't involve the other guys lane...unless of course you are a squid, and then it makes perfect sense. > Put a big lid on that "better than thou" stuff.. :) Not better than thou. KNOW better than thou perhaps..... Cut me some slack Coleman, I was once as silly and slack jawed as you apparently are today...I just learned is all. Get thee to a track already and stop screwing around on the street. >From: "Troy the Troll" >Nice logic. "Gee...if everyone is smarter than me and goes >to a track, I will have all those public roads to myself to >scare soccer moms into a ditch!" T, you know darn good and well that the folks out in dem mountains are too busy dating their siblings to be worried about any silly soccer game. > >From: "Troy the Troll" > [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > busy > dating their siblings to be worried about any silly soccer game. DATING??!!?!! Please...I've wandered through buck toothed girl/woman/shemale country before.....what they do to get some of those generic deformities isn't JUST dating..... >From: "Coleman E. Howard" >That way, the cops want be hangin around, and others that >think like me can have a ball! Coleman, I'll look you up next summer before I make my annual trek out there. Maybe we can hook up and take some videos to piss off TTT. >> >I say good for you that you didn't hit a patch of dirt on >> >this particular ride and get killed....now stop [quoted text clipped - 19 lines] >right hander by starting in the OTHER lane because gee....it >helps you see better? Reading my post again, I don't believe that I said that >Why would you need to see better if >you weren't already in the other guys lane and weren't >worried about getting creamed because you are somewhere you >aren't supposed to be? I rode 200 miles today and not ONCE >did I feel the need to enter a right hander 2 feet left of >center so I could SEE better. Again at no point did I say cross the line. As far as I am concerned, seeing further into a turn is *always* a good thing, at *any* speed. It just buys you some more reaction time. >There is plenty of silliness here, because Coleman wasn't >trying to SEE better, he was trying to widen the [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] >even if I could see it a nano second later because of where >I was in MY lane. There's more to see than oncoming traffic, it gives you more time to see any obstructions in *your* lane including the oft-fabled patch of dirt. >> Similarly there are benefits to keeping to the right when >entering a [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] >to the left and tell me where you think his head and >shoulders are? Agreed. >> While perhaps not at legal speeds, nothing in that ride >was out of >> control. > >Absolutely correct. Just stupider than hell. Not agreed, it was a wide sweeping road with loads of room. >>The bad news for the sanctimonious among us? If that patch >of [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] >my knee through it, versus some more reasonable speed which >doesn't require both lanes to make a corner. It might get you less, it might not. Speed doesn't kill you, the sudden stop does. >>We all run that risk, >> even if we've never broken a traffic law in our lives. If [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] >idiot who ran him off the road because he convinced the >incompetent cager he REALLY needed his lane to see better? Why would he scare some barge in the other lane? SignatureJohn '00 SV650S www.hillsidesolutions.co.uk > >> While perhaps not at legal speeds, nothing in that ride > >was out of [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > Not agreed, it was a wide sweeping road with loads of room. When a sweeping road isn't big enough, and begins to require a little EXTRA room...ie the other lane....that is a clear signal for one thing....the guy doing the riding doesn't think he can cut the corner without the extra room....which means no matter where it goes bad, the rider is already maxxing out what HE is capable of, so the size of the road becomes irrelevant. Barber is what...60 feet wide? Its got LOADS of room.....right up until you are turning hard while braking, using max lean ( or so you think ) and powering out...suddenly that 60' wide asphalt isn't wide enough unless you have specifically reserved 3 or 4 feet on the exit for boo-boo's. Loads of room is relative. I can make an 80' wide corner, ala dragstrip entrance at Pueblo, into not damn near enough room. Its kids play... > Why would he scare some barge in the other lane? Again...are you seriously suggesting you CAN'T? I saw it up close and personal....silly cager right off the road into a ditch.....nobody ever said people limited to 4 wheels were competent. >> >> While perhaps not at legal speeds, nothing in that ride >> >was out of [quoted text clipped - 28 lines] >ditch.....nobody ever said people limited to 4 wheels were >competent. In Coleman's case he wasn't even approaching racetrack speeds, nor was he close to maximum lean. He had a large margin of his machine's capability in reserve. Only Coleman can say if he had any skill in reserve. I can't access the clip any more but I don't recall seeing him cross the centre line. SignatureJohn '00 SV650S www.hillsidesolutions.co.uk > In Coleman's case he wasn't even approaching racetrack speeds, nor was > he close to maximum lean. Are you kidding? racetrack speeds encompass everything from puttering incompoops like Mike F to near lap record holders.....Coleman slots right in there as better than anything Mike F is capable of. As far as maximum lean, then what the hell did he need to make the corner bigger for? I see people widening the corner for 2 reasons...they are inherently incompetent, which Coleman obviously isn't, or they are opening up the corner....what do you think he was using the yellow line for....traction testing on bad surfaces? >He had a large margin of his machine's > capability in reserve. Of course the MACHINE has the capability. But HE didn't, otherwise he wouldn't have required the extra room. Unless you've got a better idea for what he was using the other lane for? >Only Coleman can say if he had any skill in > reserve. But the signs...the signs.....walks like a duck, talks like a duck, quacks like a duck....and you don't think its a duck? > I can't access the clip any more but I don't recall seeing him cross > the centre line. As best any of us can tell, he was on the yellow line on the other side at least once, the color washes pretty bad just as he's turning in and the road centerline is bending right as he's turning... >> In Coleman's case he wasn't even approaching racetrack >speeds, nor was [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] >anything Mike F is capable of. As far as maximum lean, then >what the hell did he need to make the corner bigger for? While I appreciate the point you make for the sake of argument. My understanding of racetrack speed does not include "puttering nincompoops". Bigger corner = better vision, do you really still not understand? >I see people widening the corner for 2 reasons...they are >inherently incompetent, which Coleman obviously isn't, or >they are opening up the corner....what do you think he was >using the yellow line for....traction testing on bad >surfaces? So we've gone from a couple of feet into the other lane, to using the yellow line, which was it? Can't you decide? As I said in the last paragraph, bigger corner = better vision. >>He had a large margin of his machine's >> capability in reserve. [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] >you've got a better idea for what he was using the other >lane for? Now we're back to the inconsistency, please decide, was he in the other lane or on the line? >>Only Coleman can say if he had any skill in >> reserve. > >But the signs...the signs.....walks like a duck, talks like >a duck, quacks like a duck....and you don't think its a >duck? All I hear around here is a repetitive parrot, ain't no ducks to be found. >> I can't access the clip any more but I don't recall seeing >him cross [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] >as he's turning in and the road centerline is bending right >as he's turning... So you don't actually know if he used the other lane so, effectively, your argument is based on supposition and conjecture. Maybe come back when you have some facts. SignatureJohn '00 SV650S www.hillsidesolutions.co.uk >>> In Coleman's case he wasn't even approaching racetrack >>speeds, nor was [quoted text clipped - 55 lines] > your argument is based on supposition and conjecture. Maybe come back > when you have some facts. Here is some more food for thought regarding widening corners. This is from Reg Pridmore, who believes the wider line is LESS safe. http://www.classrides.com/roadwrk.html SignatureAndrew 00 Speed Triple 00 Daytona > Here is some more food for thought regarding widening corners. > > This is from Reg Pridmore, who believes the wider line is LESS safe. > > http://www.classrides.com/roadwrk.html Sorry Andrew, we can't have 3 time superbike champs faster than most of us on literbikes on his 800 Interceptor telling us what a silly squid Coleman is, it deflects from the wonderment of how well Coleman didn't get killed that particular day from being slack jawed and silly. >> Here is some more food for thought regarding widening > corners. [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > wonderment of how well Coleman didn't get killed that > particular day from being slack jawed and silly. Remember, I haven't seen the vid, I've just been playing devil's advocate here. I wouldn't call him a Squid, since he's been riding longer than I've been alive. There are multiple theories to street riding, they key is picking and choosing the ones that will keep you alive. I "crashed" the other day. I went into a decreasing radius right, with tons of chip seal all over the place. I was too FRIGHTENED to brake enough to complete the corner without touching the line on exit. I saw there was no danger coming, but I am still beating myself up for going in there too fast. As a matter of fact I had a conversation with Jamin today about it. It happened on Saturday, and I am still freaked out today just for touching the line on exit. SignatureAndrew 00 Speed Triple 00 Daytona > There are multiple theories to street riding, they key is picking and > choosing the ones that will keep you alive. Yup. Is it your position that using the other lane, in part or completely, is such a good idea to get a better sight line as to be done often while street riding? > I "crashed" the other day. I went into a decreasing radius right, with > tons of chip seal all over the place. I was too FRIGHTENED to brake [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > about it. It happened on Saturday, and I am still freaked out today just > for touching the line on exit. Whenever I "crash", which hasn't happened in a long, long, time, I tend to slow down, mentally torture myself with thoughts of how bad the damage might be, be thankful that no surgery was involved...and schedule some tracktime to go work on whatever boned headed stunt got me in trouble in the first place. >> There are multiple theories to street riding, they key is picking and >> choosing the ones that will keep you alive. > > Yup. Is it your position that using the other lane, in part or completely, > is such a good idea to get a better sight line as to be done often while > street riding? Never! SignatureAndrew 00 Speed Triple 00 Daytona >> There are multiple theories to street riding, they key is picking and >> choosing the ones that will keep you alive. [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] > tracktime to go work on whatever boned headed stunt got me in trouble in > the first place. Yeah it's kinda hard to go to the track to practice working on your riding on loose chip seal, tho. SignatureAndrew 00 Speed Triple 00 Daytona > > Whenever I "crash", which hasn't happened in a long, long, time, I tend to > > slow down, mentally torture myself with thoughts of how bad the damage [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > Yeah it's kinda hard to go to the track to practice working on your riding > on loose chip seal, tho. Thats actually pretty easy...buy/rent/borrow some smaller dual sport and go find a dirt/loam road. Problem solved. You know how many front end slides you can save in a mile of dirt riding? You know how similar the feeling is between loosing it in dirt, front or rear, and loosing it on pavement? I spent an entire week in the Big Horns with the KLR about 10 years ago, nonstop empty dirt roads, best sportbike/track learning experience I ever did over the course of a week, short of either doing trackwork in the rain or waiting for the race tires to get really greasy. Front end slides saved with the throttle, pushing the front forever just to realize you can until you run out of road, rear end power slides till hell won't have it. Dual sports and dirt tends to be easier on the body when you screw it up though. >> > Whenever I "crash", which hasn't happened in a long, > long, time, I tend to [quoted text clipped - 26 lines] > Dual sports and dirt tends to be easier on the body when you > screw it up though. So true, I'm hoping Peckhammer invites me out on his CR 250 or KLX 300 sometime soon. I have ZERO dirt riding experience. Yeti invited me out to his backyard FlatTrack, but I couldn't take him up on it. SignatureAndrew 00 Speed Triple 00 Daytona > I have ZERO dirt riding experience. > Yeti invited me out to his backyard FlatTrack, but I couldn't take him up > on it. You want to be less worried about front end slides and rear end slides and both ends sliding....take him up on it. > >> Here is some more food for thought regarding widening > > corners. [quoted text clipped - 25 lines] > happened on Saturday, and I am still freaked out today just for touching the > line on exit. > Andrew > 00 Speed Triple > 00 Daytona ------------------ Maybe I should change my name to "Coleman The Squid", :) ;) Troy has got his good points, but since he frequents the track a lot, tracknitis has trickled through his brain. Making rational thinking impossible! Haw, haw, haw. Troy is just Troy, a stubborn prick that thinks his way is the only way.. Still love him..:) ceh > Troy has got his good points, but since he frequents the track a lot, > tracknitis has trickled through his brain. Making rational thinking > impossible! Haw, haw, haw. trackitis...I like that one. > Troy is just Troy, a stubborn prick that thinks his way is the only way.. > > Still love him..:) yeah...and you knew you would bring me out swinging the instant you posted that vid, eh Coleman? Baiting me into jumping to my feet and rhetoricalizing at the top of my keyboard? You R da man Coleman. Now get your squidly a.s to a track and stop screwing around like that on the street. <snip debate on Coleman's riding> >Here is some more food for thought regarding widening corners. > >This is from Reg Pridmore, who believes the wider line is LESS safe. > >http://www.classrides.com/roadwrk.html I agree that his line *may* be better in the specific circumstance that he uses as an example but, it strikes me that the real message is not to use the wide line expecting it save your butt if you go into a bend faster than you can cope. But that wasn't really the point in question, which was all about Coleman's nice ride ;-) SignatureJohn '00 SV650S www.hillsidesolutions.co.uk > While I appreciate the point you make for the sake of argument. My > understanding of racetrack speed does not include "puttering > nincompoops". Your understanding of racetrack speeds is perhaps flawed then. Or experienced in such a way as to encompass riders of very similar skill levels. An open bike night here in Colorado? Street riders in jeans on Ex250's puttering around versus R1 mounted slick shod racers who race open endurance and make occasional bucks doing it. It can get quite interesting at times. > Bigger corner = better vision, do you really still not understand? I understand that under no circumsances is it okay to use the other guys lane. Once you cross center, whats the problem with Coleman running into a corner all the way out from the WHITE line on the far side? Better sight, right? So why should he stop with crossing center only a little, if we were to use your logic for why he might be doing this? > >I see people widening the corner for 2 reasons...they are > >inherently incompetent, which Coleman obviously isn't, or [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > yellow line, which was it? Can't you decide? As I said in the last > paragraph, bigger corner = better vision. I can tell from the video that Coleman is on the far left yellow lane, across center. What I can't tell is at what rate he turns right versus at what right the line goes with him. I watched the video more than once and it was just hard to tell, but the second yellow line is maybe 6" off center, so thats a minimum, and I could swear he was over that as well, so lets call it approx 1 foot left of center. > >>He had a large margin of his machine's > >> capability in reserve. [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > Now we're back to the inconsistency, please decide, was he in the > other lane or on the line? He was. Speculate your answer please...what was requiring him to use X amount of the other lane in a normal sporty street riding situation. You really want to stick with riding in the other lane just so he can see a relatively wide open corner a little bit better? > So you don't actually know if he used the other lane so, effectively, > your argument is based on supposition and conjecture. Maybe come back > when you have some facts. Fine...he was a foot across center. How do you figure this helped him and why shouldn't we all go out and start doing it immediately? <snip debae on Coleman> >Fine...he was a foot across center. How do you figure this >helped him and why shouldn't we all go out and start doing >it immediately? At what point did I condone *crossing* the line into the opposing lane? SignatureJohn '00 SV650S www.hillsidesolutions.co.uk > <snip debae on Coleman> > > [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > At what point did I condone *crossing* the line into the opposing > lane? I didn't say you condoned it, but you appear to be trying to come up with reasons why someone should be there, and why its a fine example of how to ride in a safe and thoughtful manner, what with needing to see around those corners and all. >> On Tue, 28 Sep 2004 01:02:41 GMT, "Troy the Troll" ><f4boy@comcast.net> [quoted text clipped - 17 lines] >manner, what with needing to see around those corners and >all. You've certainly worked hard to twist my words that way, and you've chosen your posting name well, but, if you read back through my posts, I have consistently said at or near the line on right hand bends. It's been a pleasure, good night. SignatureJohn '00 SV650S www.hillsidesolutions.co.uk > > While I appreciate the point you make for the sake of > argument. My > > understanding of racetrack speed does not include > "puttering > > nincompoops". Hmmm. Never met at the track, have we? SignatureKurt (puttering nincompoop) Kesler >>> I never been to a trackday, and I just got introduced to >>technical street [quoted text clipped - 32 lines] > left hand bend. Obviously in a left hand bend, the line is the last > place you want to be. You obviously haven't had Reg Pridmore try to POUND this theory out of your head. I tend to agree with you though. SignatureAndrew 00 Speed Triple 00 Daytona >On, or very close to, the line is just about the best place to be when >entering a right hand bend, at any speed. It's all about maximising >your view through the turn. The centerline???? Bullshit!!!!! Keep that in mind the next time some jack a.s cager or even another rider is taking his half out of the middle to maximize his view thru his left hander, at the same time your maximizing your view, thru your right hander. Let me know who looses in that situation, when the cage and rider meet up at the same time at the centerline. I have already seen what the outcome was when two bikes met at the centerline at the same time, luckily they didn't die. Chad 2003 R1 >>On, or very close to, the line is just about the best place to be when >>entering a right hand bend, at any speed. It's all about maximising [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] >I have already seen what the outcome was when two bikes met at the centerline >at the same time, luckily they didn't die. Let's put our brains in gear and just think about that verbal diarrhea for a moment. Ne |
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