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Troy the Troll - 28 Sep 2004 02:31 GMT
Yo Mike...I know you went out and got a high quality Toyota
when you thought you were getting a clunker domestic
Pontiac. Well, I've got you beat, I went out and did
something REAL stupid, I spent all morning trading in my
Mazda mini van on something...wanna guess how stupid I was?
Women, can't live without 'im, can't kill'im.
Shawn - 28 Sep 2004 02:46 GMT
> Yo Mike...I know you went out and got a high quality Toyota
> when you thought you were getting a clunker domestic
> Pontiac. Well, I've got you beat, I went out and did
> something REAL stupid, I spent all morning trading in my
> Mazda mini van on something...wanna guess how stupid I was?
> Women, can't live without 'im, can't kill'im.

You sold Moby???
Troy the Troll - 28 Sep 2004 02:57 GMT
>> Yo Mike...I know you went out and got a high quality Toyota
>> when you thought you were getting a clunker domestic
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>>
> You sold Moby???

Moby is gone. It took us reliably to Birmingham, and has been faithful and
reliable import transportation. It is gone. Mackenzie cried a little bit,
and then decided that mommys new blue car was her favorite.
Shawn - 28 Sep 2004 03:08 GMT
>>> Yo Mike...I know you went out and got a high quality Toyota
>>> when you thought you were getting a clunker domestic
[quoted text clipped - 8 lines]
> reliable import transportation. It is gone. Mackenzie cried a little bit,
> and then decided that mommys new blue car was her favorite.

Awwww, man... did you get the Cobra?
Troy the Troll - 28 Sep 2004 03:29 GMT
> Awwww, man... did you get the Cobra?

Cobras are expensive, heavy, and the extra power isn't
required for Amy to enjoy herself.
Andrew - 28 Sep 2004 03:35 GMT
>> Awwww, man... did you get the Cobra?
>
> Cobras are expensive, heavy, and the extra power isn't
> required for Amy to enjoy herself.

But they do have a DOHC V8.
Unlike the Corvette.

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Troy the Troll - 28 Sep 2004 03:45 GMT
> >> Awwww, man... did you get the Cobra?
> >
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
> But they do have a DOHC V8.
> Unlike the Corvette.

I wasn't looking for spend lots of money.

Let me list some of the test drives and ideas I had.

Cobra-cost alot
Corvette-cost more...plus its a Cheby
test drove a 2003 Diamante
test drove a 2003 Outlander
test drove a 2004 Galant
test drove a Corolla.
test drove a 2 year old Camry
thought about a PT Cruiser...great deals on new ones
looked at 2 full size Dodge Conversion vans

Bought another damn domestic because the wife likes'em, got
a deal, hope the tranny doesn't fall out like the last one
Andrew - 28 Sep 2004 04:05 GMT
>> >> Awwww, man... did you get the Cobra?
>> >
[quoted text clipped - 20 lines]
> Bought another damn domestic because the wife likes'em, got
> a deal, hope the tranny doesn't fall out like the last one

Explorer?

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Troy the Troll - 28 Sep 2004 04:40 GMT
> > Bought another damn domestic because the wife likes'em, got
> > a deal, hope the tranny doesn't fall out like the last one
>
> Explorer?

Nope. Got one SUV, didn't really need another.
mfell2112*nospam*@yahoo.com - 28 Sep 2004 03:03 GMT
>Yo Mike...I know you went out and got a high quality Toyota
>when you thought you were getting a clunker domestic
>Pontiac. Well, I've got you beat, I went out and did
>something REAL stupid, I spent all morning trading in my
>Mazda mini van on something...wanna guess how stupid I was?
>Women, can't live without 'im, can't kill'im.

Did you get the Envoy?:-) I hope you got a Chevy.

Regards
Michael H. Fell
Troy the Troll - 28 Sep 2004 03:29 GMT
> >Yo Mike...I know you went out and got a high quality Toyota
> >when you thought you were getting a clunker domestic
[quoted text clipped - 4 lines]
>
> Did you get the Envoy?:-) I hope you got a Chevy.

Its a Ford. Admittedly, buying a Chevy is the most brain
dead move in the history of reliable automobiles...but this
one is nearly as stupid, eh?
T.D. Hilton - 28 Sep 2004 05:03 GMT
> > On Tue, 28 Sep 2004 01:31:55 GMT, "Troy the Troll"
> <f4boy@comcast.net>
[quoted text clipped - 14 lines]
> dead move in the history of reliable automobiles...but this
> one is nearly as stupid, eh?

Gad! It's not a Taurus is it?
Troy the Troll - 28 Sep 2004 06:19 GMT
> > > Did you get the Envoy?:-) I hope you got a Chevy.
> >
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
>
> Gad! It's not a Taurus is it?

NO! That would be a worse move than what I did. What I did,
at least I'm familiar with its problems...for those of you
who know what I've owned before.
Andrew - 28 Sep 2004 07:29 GMT
>> > > Did you get the Envoy?:-) I hope you got a Chevy.
>> >
[quoted text clipped - 8 lines]
> at least I'm familiar with its problems...for those of you
> who know what I've owned before.

Mustang GT then.

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Troy the Troll - 28 Sep 2004 14:47 GMT
>>> > > Did you get the Envoy?:-) I hope you got a Chevy.
>>> >
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>
> Mustang GT then.

Can you beleive I got another one? 40th Anniversary Edition in Sonic Blue
this time. Makes 3 the wife has owned over the last decade or so.

But the stereo in the silly thing...would make any 16 year old proud.
Shawn - 29 Sep 2004 02:58 GMT
how the hell you expect to tow a trailer with 2 bikes and create shade with
a Mustang GT???

>>>> > > Did you get the Envoy?:-) I hope you got a Chevy.
>>>> >
[quoted text clipped - 15 lines]
>
> But the stereo in the silly thing...would make any 16 year old proud.
Troy the Troll - 29 Sep 2004 03:13 GMT
> how the hell you expect to tow a trailer with 2 bikes and create shade with
> a Mustang GT???

I can tow 1000 pounds with it....which is enough for a
trailer and a single bike. Sorry Shawn.

Amy said I can use the big truck whenever I travel with you
now....but it doesn't provide shade.

I'mma gonna get an ezup.
Troy the Troll - 29 Sep 2004 03:13 GMT
> how the hell you expect to tow a trailer with 2 bikes and create shade with
> a Mustang GT???

you get all the pictures I sent you?
mfell2112*nospam*@yahoo.com - 28 Sep 2004 23:42 GMT
>> On Tue, 28 Sep 2004 01:31:55 GMT, "Troy the Troll"
><f4boy@comcast.net>
[quoted text clipped - 14 lines]
>dead move in the history of reliable automobiles...but this
>one is nearly as stupid, eh?

Yea that Chevy sitting outside with over 250,000 on it is just a
rotten automobile.  When are you gonna learn to not buy a Ford when
you can have a Chevy instead?
Regards
Michael H. Fell
Troy the Troll - 29 Sep 2004 00:25 GMT
>>> On Tue, 28 Sep 2004 01:31:55 GMT, "Troy the Troll"
>><f4boy@comcast.net>
[quoted text clipped - 18 lines]
> rotten automobile.  When are you gonna learn to not buy a Ford when
> you can have a Chevy instead?

When Ford can build something that doesn't break much, then I'll risk HOPING
that Chevy is that good as well. Until Cavaliers and Monte Carlos' and
everybody else with a Chuby doesn't have more trouble then
me...then...maybe....

I'm hoping the wife starts acting her age and wants a nice Lexus sedan here
sometime in the near future.....
Andrew - 29 Sep 2004 08:48 GMT
>>>> On Tue, 28 Sep 2004 01:31:55 GMT, "Troy the Troll"
>>><f4boy@comcast.net>
[quoted text clipped - 26 lines]
> I'm hoping the wife starts acting her age and wants a nice Lexus sedan
> here sometime in the near future.....

My F*rd is still doing perfect after 20K. Not one issue.

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Jamin Kortegard - 29 Sep 2004 10:12 GMT
> My F*rd is still doing perfect after 20K. Not one issue.

Karri's 1999 Chevy Silverado has over 70k miles on it, and has had
absolutely zero problems.

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Troy the Troll - 29 Sep 2004 14:45 GMT
>> I'm hoping the wife starts acting her age and wants a nice Lexus sedan
>> here sometime in the near future.....
>
> My F*rd is still doing perfect after 20K. Not one issue.

Mine hasn't broken yet since the warranty expired. A good thing in my book.
The new one.....I'll just wait and see....
Steve Mackay - 28 Sep 2004 14:23 GMT
> Yo Mike...I know you went out and got a high quality Toyota
> when you thought you were getting a clunker domestic
> Pontiac. Well, I've got you beat, I went out and did
> something REAL stupid, I spent all morning trading in my
> Mazda mini van on something...wanna guess how stupid I was?
> Women, can't live without 'im, can't kill'im.

Congrats on the American car purchase :)
Troy the Troll - 28 Sep 2004 14:46 GMT
>> Yo Mike...I know you went out and got a high quality Toyota
>> when you thought you were getting a clunker domestic
[quoted text clipped - 4 lines]
>
> Congrats on the American car purchase :)

I'm not the one needing congratulations, the wife is. I got the silly thing
for her. But I'm sure some UAW guy in Dearborn Michigan will sleep happier
knowing that some women can't be stopped from doing something stupid no
matter how hard I try.
Steve Mackay - 28 Sep 2004 15:14 GMT
>>> Yo Mike...I know you went out and got a high quality Toyota
>>> when you thought you were getting a clunker domestic
[quoted text clipped - 9 lines]
> knowing that some women can't be stopped from doing something stupid no
> matter how hard I try.

Well, at least ONE of you has some taste...
I've had good luck with my American cars over the past decade. My '92
Explorer was retired with 192,000 mi on it. It was in need of a tranny
when I got rid of it. But the only thing I've ever done to the damn thing
was replace the front lockouts once, and the standard oil changes.

My Dodge Ram had a tranny replaced by the previous owner, but I've had
great luck with it. My only complaint is it uses more oil than I'd like if
I tow heavy loads with it, and the brakes sucked untill I added some
carbon metallic pads. But that thing has rarely been driven this summer. I
think it's moved from it's spot in the driveway 3 times since the end of
June.

The one thing the America cars lack, are GOOD trannys. They all suck! I
was amazed that my Exlorer's lasted as long as it did. But I did do a
tranny cooler on it, and changed the fluid every 20K on it.
Troy the Troll - 29 Sep 2004 00:28 GMT
>>> Congrats on the American car purchase :)
>>
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> when I got rid of it. But the only thing I've ever done to the damn thing
> was replace the front lockouts once, and the standard oil changes.

I put 200K on a toyota 4x4 and it left me with the original fuel pump,
starter, a/c compressor and a host of other things that should have died,
but didn't.

The only good thing about this clunker is I know all about the tranny issues
already and had the TSB in my hand as I bought the car. Not that Ford is
going to get it RIGHT this time mind you...just that I'm prepared for the
usual "gee...you drove it off the showroom floor and the tranny broke"
surprise....

> The one thing the America cars lack, are GOOD trannys. They all suck! I
> was amazed that my Exlorer's lasted as long as it did. But I did do a
> tranny cooler on it, and changed the fluid every 20K on it.

Tell me about it. t-45's in Mustangs replaced by tremec 3650's both of which
have a habit of self destructing around the 2nd gear syncro

Of course...it requires more than half a decade of these things blowing up
for Ford to get around to fixing it...why am I not surprised?
Steve Mackay - 29 Sep 2004 01:16 GMT
>>>> Congrats on the American car purchase :)
>>>
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> starter, a/c compressor and a host of other things that should have died,
> but didn't.

You had way better luck than my father-inlaw then. His 93 Toy 4x4 had
numberous problems, ranging from a couple of bad lifters, fuel pump, and
some rear brake load balancing gizmo that he ended up cutting a hole in
the bed to get to. No, that's probably not typical. I did end up giving
him some sh.t over the fact that he told me "shudda' bought a four runner"
when I picked up the Exlorer. :) Granted, I DID have better luck than
average on the exploder... , as he had worse luck than average on the toy.
His next vehicle, a '99 S10 4x4 needed a tranny at 40K.

> The only good thing about this clunker is I know all about the tranny issues
> already and had the TSB in my hand as I bought the car. Not that Ford is
[quoted text clipped - 8 lines]
> Tell me about it. t-45's in Mustangs replaced by tremec 3650's both of which
> have a habit of self destructing around the 2nd gear syncro

Yup, those 5 speeds were notorious for bad 2nd gear. I had several friends
with the 5.0 'stangs right out of highschool. Now, I thought the tremacs
were more reliable? No?

My brother picked up a Cobra back in '98. He took it home, beating on it
on the way home, it developed a rod knock. Took it back the next morning.
They actually gave him a new car...

> Of course...it requires more than half a decade of these things blowing up
> for Ford to get around to fixing it...why am I not surprised?

HALF a decade? Hell, they were having 5 speed problems since 1986 IIRC.
Troy the Troll - 29 Sep 2004 02:16 GMT
> > Tell me about it. t-45's in Mustangs replaced by tremec 3650's both of which
> > have a habit of self destructing around the 2nd gear syncro
>
> Yup, those 5 speeds were notorious for bad 2nd gear. I had several friends
> with the 5.0 'stangs right out of highschool. Now, I thought the tremacs
> were more reliable? No?

The TSB I found relates specifically to the tremec 3650. The
t-45 had junk syncro's  as well, the TSB for the 3650
relates to 2001-2003 5 speeds. I've got the same tranny in a
2004, so I'll cross my fingers and hope that even a ford
service tech can figure out that a bad 3650 in a 2003 is the
same as a bad 3650 in a 2004. We'll see.

> My brother picked up a Cobra back in '98. He took it home, beating on it
> on the way home, it developed a rod knock. Took it back the next morning.
> They actually gave him a new car...

Sounds like a domestic. I swore I wouldn't do this
again....but the wife would not stop. I don't mind the
engine at all, quite nice actually, plus on a trip I got
nearly 30mpg out of the old one.

Thats all its really good for...touring. The suspension
works well over gentle bumps on faster roads, enough power
to run reasonable road speeds and enough torque to allow
tall gears so it gets decent mpg. Nothing complicated about
them, solid rear axles, reliable motors, pissant trannys.
They've been making them on the same chassis for a few
decades now...and they still aren't are reliable as a toyota
corolla but at least they've ironed most of the wrinkles
out.

> > Of course...it requires more than half a decade of these things blowing up
> > for Ford to get around to fixing it...why am I not surprised?
>
> HALF a decade? Hell, they were having 5 speed problems since 1986 IIRC.

I liked the old T5 in the 1990 Mustang 5speed I inherited
along with the new wife way back when. Its one of the few
reasons I was willing to get another one...THATS the one
with the tranny problem last time....I've got my fingers
crossed on this one.110 miles as of this evening and it
hasn't blown up yet....a good sign in a domestic.
Andrew - 29 Sep 2004 08:53 GMT
>> > Tell me about it. t-45's in Mustangs replaced by tremec
> 3650's both of which
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> crossed on this one.110 miles as of this evening and it
> hasn't blown up yet....a good sign in a domestic.

I'd rather have a GT than Mary's Corollla LE.
Even though the Toy is a 2.0 I4 with a timing chain (not belt.)
You'd be surprised how hard it pulls.

Anyhow, I'd rather have the 4.8 V8 than the 2.0 I4.

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Troy the Troll - 29 Sep 2004 14:49 GMT
> I'd rather have a GT than Mary's Corollla LE.
> Even though the Toy is a 2.0 I4 with a timing chain (not belt.)
> You'd be surprised how hard it pulls.
>
> Anyhow, I'd rather have the 4.8 V8 than the 2.0 I4.

I test drove a Corolla...now THAT is what we should've got for an
around-towner. I also looked real close at those VW diesels, but the for the
money I don't think the GT is a bad car at all. As long as you know about
the tranny and don't get too cranky about it if/when it happens, it makes a
nice travel-mobile for 1 or 2 people, with emergency people or kid carrying
capability in the back seat ( one of the reasons I didn't just go get an
S2000 ), the engine is good, relatively understressed and can go a long
time, makes nice power all over the place, the brakes are good enough for at
least 2 or 3 full blown panic stops from 100mph ( don't ask me how I know )
it shifts okay usually, its just its another damn DOMESTIC.

Oh well....

It does have a cool stereo that any 16 year old would love. The entire trunk
is filled up with speaker boxes and amplifiers....
Michael - 29 Sep 2004 07:30 GMT
[snip]
> > Of course...it requires more than half a decade of these things blowing up
> > for Ford to get around to fixing it...why am I not surprised?
>
> HALF a decade? Hell, they were having 5 speed problems since 1986 IIRC.

Yup. Like my 86 Cobra GT that also had 2nd gear problems. Fun car, though.
When it was working. :-)

-- Michael
mfell2112*nospam*@yahoo.com - 28 Sep 2004 23:44 GMT
>>> Yo Mike...I know you went out and got a high quality Toyota
>>> when you thought you were getting a clunker domestic
[quoted text clipped - 9 lines]
>knowing that some women can't be stopped from doing something stupid no
>matter how hard I try.

That Mustang hauls butt.  Whats that thing redline at? I think it revs
pretty high if it is the V8.

Regards
Michael H. Fell
mfell2112*nospam*@yahoo.com - 29 Sep 2004 00:06 GMT
>>>> Yo Mike...I know you went out and got a high quality Toyota
>>>> when you thought you were getting a clunker domestic
[quoted text clipped - 15 lines]
>Regards
>Michael H. Fell

Oh and the Stang is the only Ford worth owning in my book.  Perhaps
one of the coolest cars made.  The next gen Stang is even cooler.
Regards
Michael H. Fell
Troy the Troll - 29 Sep 2004 00:29 GMT
>>>> Yo Mike...I know you went out and got a high quality Toyota
>>>> when you thought you were getting a clunker domestic
[quoted text clipped - 13 lines]
> That Mustang hauls butt.  Whats that thing redline at? I think it revs
> pretty high if it is the V8.

6K nearly I think?
 
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