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Motorcycle Forum / General / Sportbikes / December 2004Rossi's virtual V4...
Quote from Jan 05 T.W.O. mag... "In 2003 the Yamaha M1 secured a single podium, and a right slagging from the riders who conducted their business on it. They were almost as vociferous as the previous M1 incumbent Max Biaggi, a rider who at least scored wins in its first year 2002." "So what turned last year's pup into this year's lion?" "Well, you'd be surprised how much of the M1 is basically the same as the 2003 model. The main change is to the engine, with the M1 now going from a conventional across the frame four to a simulated vee, which means that the actual crank design has been altered, so that the engine now fires two cylinders close together, and the others shortly after." "The big benefit is in traction and engine response, and most of all it makes the bike feel more similar to the V5 Honda Rossi is used to riding." "The turn around in the machine is best described by the overall Yamaha Racing Chief, Masao Furusawa." "This year the first thing I did was change the engine, to make much better power delivery to the rear tire. That is what you can call the big bang or growler engine. I still don;t believe the big bang theory itself, but we changed the engines! We then increased the horsepower step by step." "A series of small steps for Yamaha, a giant leap for MotoGp." End of Article... My thought??? I think Yamaha is drafting a V4 during the off season... Rossi deserves the best... Larry L 94 RC45 #2 Have a wheelie NICE day... Lean & Mean it in every corner of your life... If it wasn't for us the fast lane would rust... V4'S are music to the seat of my pants... 1952 De Havilland Chipmunk... Yank and bank your brains loose... http://members.ebay.com/aboutme/-xlax-/ http://home.comcast.net/~netters2/ http://www.fox302.com/index.pl?s=vg&user=netters2 >My thought??? I think Yamaha is drafting a V4 during the off season... Rossi >deserves the best... Why? The width of the engine is far less of an issue now (it's not limiting ground clearance), the weight balance is good on the current M1, and you have the V4 traction behavior which apparently does make a big difference. I'd expect Yamaha to stick with the Growler I4, they understand the I4 really well, its doing quite well in the races, and it will establish a much stronger connection to the next-gen R1 (which I'd almost bet will be a growler I4).  SignatureNicholas C. Weaver. to reply email to "nweaver" at the domain icsi.berkeley.edu >>My thought??? I think Yamaha is drafting a V4 during the off season... Rossi >>deserves the best... [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > a much stronger connection to the next-gen R1 (which I'd almost bet > will be a growler I4). I agree. They will stay with I4's to advance development of their consumer machines. > I agree. They will stay with I4's to advance development of their > consumer machines. There's only so much you can do to over come the inherent problems of an I4... at some point the V4 advantage makes more sense... and you'll be happier for it too... Larry L 94 RC45 #2 Have a wheelie NICE day... Lean & Mean it in every corner of your life... If it wasn't for us the fast lane would rust... V4'S are music to the seat of my pants... 1952 De Havilland Chipmunk... Yank and bank your brains loose... http://members.ebay.com/aboutme/-xlax-/ http://home.comcast.net/~netters2/ http://www.fox302.com/index.pl?s=vg&user=netters2 >> I agree. They will stay with I4's to advance development of their >> consumer machines. > >There's only so much you can do to over come the inherent problems of an I4... >at some point the V4 advantage makes more sense... and you'll be happier for it >too... OK Larry we have heard enough about V4s.:-) Everybody knows that V twins rule. They are narrower than v4s and I4s, require less maintainance, look cooler, and are lighter. If you are running more than 2 cylinders you are just showing off.:-) All this said nobody makes a better v4 than Honda and Mr.RC45 is a very fine example. I bet you have her purring like a kitten. Also, I have to agree with Larry I4s are a joke. They should be outlawed and removed from the face of the earth.:-) Regards Michael H. Fell > OK Larry we have heard enough about V4s.:-) Everybody knows that V > twins rule. They are narrower than v4s and I4s, require less > maintainance, look cooler, and are lighter. Face it Mike... V-Twins are dead and buried... relegated to the museums next to the singles... I bet > you have her purring like a kitten. http://www.fox302.com/userdata/netters2/files/ShopPics/KHDayFifteen11.JPG Larry L 94 RC45 #2 Have a wheelie NICE day... Lean & Mean it in every corner of your life... If it wasn't for us the fast lane would rust... V4'S are music to the seat of my pants... 1952 De Havilland Chipmunk... Yank and bank your brains loose... http://members.ebay.com/aboutme/-xlax-/ http://home.comcast.net/~netters2/ http://www.fox302.com/index.pl?s=vg&user=netters2 >> OK Larry we have heard enough about V4s.:-) Everybody knows that V >> twins rule. They are narrower than v4s and I4s, require less >> maintainance, look cooler, and are lighter. > >Face it Mike... V-Twins are dead and buried... relegated to the museums next to >the singles... How about this 220 lb single: <http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=4513901385&ca tegory=38627&sspagename=WDVW> Regards Michael H. Fell >From: "Larry xlax Lovisone" >Face it Mike... V-Twins are dead and buried... relegated to the museums next >to >the singles... Or to people who actually ride. As for racebikes, you have a point. On Tue, 28 Dec 2004 19:11:39 -0600, mfell2112*NOSPAM* wrote: >>> I agree. They will stay with I4's to advance development of their >>> consumer machines. [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > Regards > Michael H. Fell Now you gone and done it. Troy will have a spasm over this post of yours Mike. >On Tue, 28 Dec 2004 19:11:39 -0600, mfell2112*NOSPAM* wrote: > [quoted text clipped - 19 lines] >Now you gone and done it. Troy will have a spasm over this post of yours >Mike. Yea well it is long over due.:-) Regards Michael H. Fell > OK Larry we have heard enough about V4s.:-) Everybody knows that V > twins rule. They are narrower than v4s and I4s, require less > maintainance, look cooler, and are lighter. Sure they are....as long as it isn't a Hardley engine...in which case they are heavier, make not much power unless massaged within an inch of their lives..and then they still get pasted by itty bitty 600cc bikes, and "looking cooler" is in the eyes of the beholder, and you Mike, appear to be 90% blind. > If you are running more > than 2 cylinders you are just showing off.:-) All this said nobody > makes a better v4 than Honda and Mr.RC45 is a very fine example. I bet > you have her purring like a kitten. Also, I have to agree with Larry > I4s are a joke. They should be outlawed and removed from the face of > the earth.:-) I'd let you ride mine Mike, but seeing as how you hav a difficult time with keeping your bike on the road while chasing scooters down the road, I'll wait until you get a wee bit more experience with real horsepower and a decent chassis and good brakes....which is to say when you get a real bike.... >> I agree. They will stay with I4's to advance development >> of their [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > problems of an I4... at some point the V4 advantage makes > more sense... and you'll be happier for it too... Why handicap yourself with ONLY 4 cylinders? Get a V-8! Guzzi proved you could build a workable 500cc V8...in the 50's. Yes it was a bitch to synch the carbs and yes they had serious issues with waterpumps committing hari-kari. SignatureNefarious Necrologist 42nd Degree Some people ride, some just like to show off their butt jewelry once in a while. Dum vivimus, vivamus <:(3 )3~ <:(3 )3~ <:(3 )~ <:(3 )~ > Why? Jeremy Burgess... Rossi's chief wrench... has gone on record stating that the V4 is by far the best engine configuration for MotoGp... he says that of the V4's because : 1... inherent broad spread of power... 2... inherent lower internal friction because the V4 has only 3 main bearings versus 5 main bearings on the I4... 3... inherent smaller crankshaft that offers less rotational mass to influence handling... 4... inherent small frontal area for decrease drag... > I'd expect Yamaha to stick with the Growler I4, they understand the I4 > really well, its doing quite well in the races, and it will establish > a much stronger connection to the next-gen R1 (which I'd almost bet > will be a growler I4). You're forgetting the Growler I4 places a lot more stress on engine cases... the M1 gets by because the engine cases are machined from solid billet aluminum for about 50K a copy... a prohibit expense for production... so far the only parts the R1 share with the M1 is paint and plastic... Larry L 94 RC45 #2 Have a wheelie NICE day... Lean & Mean it in every corner of your life... If it wasn't for us the fast lane would rust... V4'S are music to the seat of my pants... 1952 De Havilland Chipmunk... Yank and bank your brains loose... http://members.ebay.com/aboutme/-xlax-/ http://home.comcast.net/~netters2/ http://www.fox302.com/index.pl?s=vg&user=netters2 |
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