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my CBR is pulling to the left!

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Micah - 19 Feb 2005 07:34 GMT
My Honda repair manual for my 1988 CBR1000F says that my bike could be
pulling to the left because of either a improperly installed tire or a bent
fork.  Has anyone out there ever had a tire that made their bike pull to one
side?  I don't get how it works...  Thanks!

'84 vt500 ascot
'88 cbr1000 hurricane

"keep the tank side up!"

Micah
Andrew - 19 Feb 2005 08:15 GMT
> My Honda repair manual for my 1988 CBR1000F says that my bike could be
> pulling to the left because of either a improperly installed tire or a
> bent
> fork.  Has anyone out there ever had a tire that made their bike pull to
> one
> side?  I don't get how it works...  Thanks!

I think it may be a communication problem in the manual.
Check to make sure the rear wheel is aligned properly on the swingarm.
Put it on  the rear stand and see if the forks line up with the wheels, etc.

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Cybernaut - 19 Feb 2005 11:25 GMT
A bent frame could be another possibility.

I (briefly) had a BSA A50 back in the 70s that pulled to the left. One of
the previous owners had used it with a sidecar, which had distorted the
frame. Luckily, I was able to get a cheap frame from a breakers yard.

> My Honda repair manual for my 1988 CBR1000F says that my bike could be
> pulling to the left because of either a improperly installed tire or a bent
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>
> Micah
krusty kritter - 19 Feb 2005 16:57 GMT
> My Honda repair manual for my 1988 CBR1000F says that my bike >could
be pulling to the left because of either a improperly >installed tire
or a bent fork.  Has anyone out there ever had a >tire that made their
bike pull to one side?  I don't get how it >works...  Thanks!

Yes, but usually riders complain that their bike is pulling to the
right, but that the front tire is wearing out on the left side more
than on the right side. That's because 2-lane roads are usually
crowned, and while riding on the right hand side of the road, the
motorcycle tends to pull right and the front tire tries to correct for
the pull to the right...

You may not have a bent fork. It's possible that you didn't get the
rear axle spacers on the right sides of the axle, or that the rear axle
is isn't quite straight across the swingarm. This may point the rear
wheel off to the right a little bit and the front wheel will try to
correct for it by steering to the left and your bike will turn left
easier than it does right...

You can't trust the rear axle alignment marks, there's too much slop in
the adjustment system, you need to measure, if at all possible...

If you can hold a tape measure along the swing arm and measure from the
center of the swing arm pivot bolt to the center of the rear axle on
both sides, the difference in measurement should be more more than
1/32nd of an inch for good alignment...

Usually the exhaust pipe or some bracket gets in the way of a good
measurement. In that case, use the string method...

I won't type that out again, you can google search for
"kaybearjr@aol.com" +string +alignment
Micah - 20 Feb 2005 20:04 GMT
Wow, thank you mr. kritter.  This info is very helpful to me and you took
the time to type up a pretty thorough answer for me.  'preciate it.

Peace

> > My Honda repair manual for my 1988 CBR1000F says that my bike >could
> be pulling to the left because of either a improperly >installed tire
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> I won't type that out again, you can google search for
> "kaybearjr@aol.com" +string +alignment
ppointer@nospamindspring.com - 20 Feb 2005 05:55 GMT
> My Honda repair manual for my 1988 CBR1000F says that my bike could be
> pulling to the left because of either a improperly installed tire or a bent

Remove the Kerry-Edwards sticker and it will be fine.
Daniel Bannon - 20 Feb 2005 17:39 GMT
>My Honda repair manual for my 1988 CBR1000F says that my bike could be
>pulling to the left because of either a improperly installed tire or a bent
[quoted text clipped - 7 lines]
>
>Micah

"Pulling to the left," mmm kay.  Our POS '75 Plymouth Volare with a
bad tie rod pulls to the left.   Any bike with unstable handling
should be parked, immediately, 'cause something's very wrong.

Touble is, some clapped-out 17 y.o. literbike, it could be damn near
anything.  Minor miracle it still runs, though those things WERE the
cat's meow back when they arrived in '87.  I remember.  

God knows what rubber those things wear, though presumably someone's
still making bias-belt tires.  Thinking back to the days of Metzeler
ME99A rear and ME33 front.  Pre-radials, which didn't make a big
splash until the early 90s.  Point being, I'd check inflation and
tread profile first.  The tires should be balanced, too.

Next is fork tube position in the triple clamp.  Make sure they're
both at the same height, eh?

If the fork oil hasn't been changed since Clinton left office, might
want to give that a go, too.  I've seen stranger things than
mismatched fork oil levels, especially if some jackass dealership did
the job.

Make sure the rear wheel's aligned correctly.  

Not sure how to tell if a fork's "bent" other than the obvious.  If
it's that obvious, hopefully you wouldn't be riding it.

Worst-case, you've got frame trouble.  If it were worth it (it isn't)
I'd say take a trip to your nearest Compu-track.  Coleman did, with
his Gixxer 1000, and benefited greatly he says.  Even modern bikes are
off at least a couple millimeters.  Not sure what they can do with the
engine still in the frame, but one never knows.  

If any of the above cost more than $500, park it.

'-----------------------------------------------------
' Daniel Bannon
' NW WA State, U.S.A.
' 2003 ZX636B Hercusaki, 1999 CBR1100XX
'-----------------------------------------------------
Micah - 20 Feb 2005 20:03 GMT
How much does a Computrack service cost?

> >My Honda repair manual for my 1988 CBR1000F says that my bike could be
> >pulling to the left because of either a improperly installed tire or a bent
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> ' 2003 ZX636B Hercusaki, 1999 CBR1100XX
> '-----------------------------------------------------
Andrew - 20 Feb 2005 23:52 GMT
> How much does a Computrack service cost?

I think what he was trying to say is, if the frame is messed up, move on
to another bike.  I wouldn't recommend taking the bike in for a service
that could be more than the value of the bike.

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Daniel Bannon - 21 Feb 2005 01:29 GMT
>> How much does a Computrack service cost?
>
>I think what he was trying to say is, if the frame is messed up, move on
>to another bike.  I wouldn't recommend taking the bike in for a service
>that could be more than the value of the bike.

Correct-e-mundo as usual, Herr Deerslayer.

'-----------------------------------------------------
' Daniel Bannon
' NW WA State, U.S.A.
' 2003 ZX636B Hercusaki, 1999 CBR1100XX
'-----------------------------------------------------
Micah - 21 Feb 2005 07:09 GMT
I didn't ask you how much you thought my bike is worth to me, I asked you
how much the computrack service costs.

> > How much does a Computrack service cost?
>
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> 00 Daytona
> 00 Speed Triple
Andrew - 21 Feb 2005 19:54 GMT
> I didn't ask you how much you thought my bike is worth to me, I asked you
> how much the computrack service costs.

Dunno how much, but it is spendy.
http://www.gmdcomputrack.com/

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Andrew
00 Daytona
00 Speed Triple

Daniel Bannon - 24 Feb 2005 04:11 GMT
>I didn't ask you how much you thought my bike is worth to me, I asked you
>how much the computrack service costs.

Alright, alright, dammit.

I THINK Coleman paid $500-1,000 for the service.  It's been a year or
two since the thread, I'm trying to remember.

Someday I might splurge for it, too, should I either smash up a bike I
like or actually find a racebike worth dandying up properly.

Good luck, eh.

'-----------------------------------------------------
' Daniel Bannon
' NW WA State, U.S.A.
' 2003 ZX636B Hercusaki, 1999 CBR1100XX
'-----------------------------------------------------
Micah - 25 Feb 2005 10:57 GMT
Cool. At least it's not more than a grand :)

--
"Keep the tank side up"
Lake Tahoe motorcyclist
1984 Honda VT500 Ascot
1988 Honda CBR1000 Hurricane

> >I didn't ask you how much you thought my bike is worth to me, I asked you
> >how much the computrack service costs.
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> ' 2003 ZX636B Hercusaki, 1999 CBR1100XX
> '-----------------------------------------------------
krusty kritter - 21 Feb 2005 02:22 GMT
> Not sure how to tell if a fork's "bent" other than the obvious.

You can use this procedure on right side up forks, but I don't
recommend it for USD forks...

Loosen the big nut on the end of the axle, if it has one. Loosen the
axle clamp bolts or pinch bolts and the top triple clamp
bolts. Suspend the motorcycle front end so the front end won't sink
down when you loosen the lower triple clamp bolts. Put a large socket
or a crescent wrench on the fork cap and turn the fork cap around a few
times in a clockwise direction...

If a fork lower leg moves side to side on the axle, that stanchion tube
is bent...

Now, use a wrench to twist the axle several times. If the wheel moves
up and down in the opposite direction to the fork lower sliders, the
axle's bent...

If the stanchion tubes aren't bent and the axle isn't bent, tighten up
everything and use a torque wrench for final torquing...
Douglas Moffitt - 22 Feb 2005 03:31 GMT
>My Honda repair manual for my 1988 CBR1000F says that my bike could be
>pulling to the left because of either a improperly installed tire or a bent
[quoted text clipped - 7 lines]
>
>Micah

Micah,

I don't have much faith in the string form of the string method.

My version is:  Go to Home Depot and buy an aluminum extrusion.  I got
an 8 footer with about a 1-1/2" square cross section.  I use it
everywhere I need a long straight edge.  Memory says about $12.

Now, measure the cross section of the front and rear tires.  Subtract
F from R and divide by two.  Call that D.  If you aren't familiar with
this, the easy way is lay two boards on opposite sides of the tire and
measure the distance between them.

Now, lay the straight edge solidly against the rear tire and have a
friend or a couple of clamps hold it..  Turn the fork until the front
tire lines up with the straightedge.  Measure the distance of the gap
between the front tire and the straightedge toward the front of the
wheel and the rear.  The two measurements should average D.  If the
average is greater, your rear wheel is aimed to the left of straight
ahead.  If less, to the right.  Loosen the rear axle mounts and
correct as required for your machine..

You can do it with a string, but I find this way a lot less fussy.  

Remember, you are talking movements of about 1/32" to correct this.  

Don't forget to maintain correct chain tension; get the alignment
right, then move both sides EXACTLY the same amount to get the correct
chain tension.  My - modern - bike calls for about 1" of play; YMMV.

Good luck

D
krusty kritter - 23 Feb 2005 18:15 GMT
> I don't have much faith in the string form of the string method.
> My version is:  Go to Home Depot and buy an aluminum extrusion.  I
>got an 8 footer with about a 1-1/2" square cross section.  I use it
> everywhere I need a long straight edge.  Memory says about $12.

I don't have any faith at all in the straightness of aluminum
extrusions. If I had an aluminum extrusion, or another long straight
object that I could drill two holes in, I would do that, stick two long
screws through the holes, and stretch a piece of *string* tightly
between them. That would be a more accurate straight edge than molten
metal that was extruded through a die under pressure and allowed to
cool unevenly, warping and twisting in the process...
Micah - 25 Feb 2005 11:01 GMT
Thank you, friend, this is very helpful info.  Awesome!

--
"Keep the tank side up"
Lake Tahoe motorcyclist
1984 Honda VT500 Ascot
1988 Honda CBR1000 Hurricane

> >My Honda repair manual for my 1988 CBR1000F says that my bike could be
> >pulling to the left because of either a improperly installed tire or a bent
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>
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