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Motorcycle Forum / General / Sportbikes / February 2005Young rider killed while riding a wheelie
Here is the info that I got from BWB "This past Saturday, Feb 19th a fellow rider, Tim Nordel Jr, was killed in a motorcycle accident on Hwy 441 in Leesburg, Fl. This accident was very unfortunate, Tim, only 17 years old, rode an rc51 and was doing a stand up at a high rate of speed at dusk. A car pulled out to cross the road who could not see Tim because of his headlight shining up. Tim died at the scene. His father who is a Lake County Deputy Sheriff shared Tims love of motorcycles, they rode together and went to the local bike nights together. (On a personal note the driver of the car is a good friend of mine, and a fellow rider, who is having a lot of emotional problems due to this and could also use your prayers) Tim was a senior at Wildwood High school and will be missed by his family, classmates, friends, and fellow riders. Im posting this for two reasons: First we all need to ride safely, within reason, and help other riders from making unnecessary mistakes; Second, to show support for Tims family through a group ride or at least prayer. Our local sport bike group that Tim is a member of, EOS, will be leading the procession from the church to the burial spot." I know I am preaching to the choir here when I say keep stunting off the streets. You can see the result of such an act. Also, no 17 year old has any business on an RC 51 or the like despite their riding expirence. Regards Mike I'm truly sorry for your loss. It is particularly difficult because this just didn't have to happen. >I'm truly sorry for your loss. It is particularly difficult because this >just didn't have to happen. I feel sorry for the kid as well although I never knew him. Unfortunatley most 17 year olds have little for brains and even less sense. Mike Regards Michael Fell let's be honest about this... the guy was a nut case, just like you. someone has to say it! Lemme get this straight: 17 yrs, RC51, wheelie, dusk, daddy a sheriff... think I'll save my tears for guys who don'r ask for trouble. > Here is the info that I got from BWB > [quoted text clipped - 24 lines] > > Mike > let's be honest about this... the guy was a nut case, just like you. > someone has to say it! Lemme get this straight: 17 yrs, RC51, wheelie, > dusk, daddy a sheriff... think I'll save my tears for guys who don'r ask > for trouble. I would have to agree with you here. BTW, how does a 17 year-old afford to buy an RC51, AND the insurance?? oh right! its the D.A.D. Scholarship! mf2112NOSP...@yahoo.com wrote: > "This past Saturday, Feb 19th a fellow rider, Tim Nordel Jr, was > killed in a motorcycle accident on Hwy 441 in Leesburg, Fl. This > accident was very unfortunate, Tim, only 17 years old, rode an rc51 > and was doing a stand up at a high rate of speed at dusk. A car pulled > out to cross the road who could not see Tim because of his headlight > shining up. Tim died at the scene. Stunting can have obviously dire consequences, especially when performed on the street by a young young rider without enough experience to fully comprehend the added level of risk he's attempting to manage. Not that I would condone the removal of a person's right to Darwinize himself, but had the kid been riding an EX250 instead of a f.cking Trident missile, he'd likely still be alive. When I was a teenager in the late '80s, I wanted a ZX900, which my parents outrightly refused to buy for me. I was mad about it then, but I'm glad now. In retrospect, I realize full-well that I'd have never lived to see 20 years of age had they complied with my request. My heartfelt condolences go out to the kid's friends and family. Here's hoping he's happily riding the golden highways of heaven right now. __ Tim Kreitz 2003 ZX7R 2000 ZX6R DoD #2184 http://www.timkreitz.com > I know I am preaching to the choir here when I say keep stunting off > the streets. You can see the result of such an act. Also, no 17 year > old has any business on an RC 51 or the like despite their riding > expirence. Interestingly, I had a conversation with a friend of mine yesterday and his son "borrows" his R1 from time to time. He told me that his son passed him last week doing a standing wheelie....he said this with pride. The kid is a great motocross racer and he also started road racing last year, but at 16 he could very well be following in the tracks of this kid... --- cs 1999 SV 650 >I know I am preaching to the choir here when I say keep stunting off >the streets. You can see the result of such an act. Also, no 17 year [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > >Mike Heard they're singing this at his wake: http://www.guntheranderson.com/v/data/anothero.htm '----------------------------------------------------- ' Daniel Bannon ' NW WA State, U.S.A. ' 2003 ZX636B Hercusaki, 1999 CBR1100XX '----------------------------------------------------- > Heard they're singing this at his wake: Prick. A kid DIED FFS. Have some respect. > Prick. > > A kid DIED FFS. Have some respect. f.ck'em. Maybe the kid should have had more respect for his bike. Or at least more sense as to when/where he should be screwing around with stunts. - Kurt >> Prick. >> [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > >- Kurt I have a 16 year old myself and he needs to learn lessons in life. Getting killed to learn them well that is another story. Yea the kid was stupid but, you know what? He was a kid after all. Just three years ago he was in junior high. How smart were any of us at 17? Anybody that hasn't done something stupid on the street chime in here and tell us about it. To be honest if this was a 20 something I would not be as sympathetic. Also, the fact that my son is about his age may be another reason for my sympathy. Some of the stuff I did on my dirt bike when I was 17 years old I am lucky to be here myself. Maybe the death of this kid will teach others in his age group to stay off these litre bikes. Then again I have my doubts. Regards Mike >>>Prick. >>> [quoted text clipped - 21 lines] > > Mike No what this will teach them is: install Wheelie Lights on the bottom of your bike. It's for Wheelie Safety, I'm sure they'll be manditory soon. If you don't know you can get killed riding a motorcycle, then you shouldn't be near one. It is a loaded weapon. As Bannon is so fond of saying. "give a gun to a chimp, it's not the chimp's fault when someone gets killed." I did stupid stuff at 17 also. I'm glad I survived. I'm glad I didn't have a 125bhp superbike back then. As saddle pointed out, Nicky Hayden handled his pretty well at 17, but I'm pretty sure he wasn't riding wheelies at dusk down public roads.  SignatureAndrew 00 Daytona 00 Speed Triple > If you don't know you can get killed riding a motorcycle, then you > shouldn't be near one. It is a loaded weapon. As Bannon is so fond of > saying. "give a gun to a chimp, it's not the chimp's fault when someone > gets killed." Exactly. And with regard to motorcycles, it's usually only the chimp who gets killed, anyway. But ultimately, it doesn't matter if you're 17 or 75, you had better evaluate your riding situations correctly before deciding to hang your dick out. Over the years, I've seen riders do stupid things with horrifying consequences because they allowed testosterone to negate common sense. The Tim Nordel story sounds like case-in-point. __ Tim Kreitz 2003 ZX7R 2000 ZX6R DoD #2184 http://www.timkreitz.com > I have a 16 year old myself and he needs to learn lessons in life. > Getting killed to learn them well that is another story. Yea the kid > was stupid but, you know what? He was a kid after all. Just three > years ago he was in junior high. How smart were any of us at 17? Sure, it is amazing how any of us survived. We all did stupid things, and screwed up sometimes. Those of us who are still here with all our bodyparts have reached into that bag of luck here and there, and not come up empty handed. Hell, we all still do some stupid things. We are always learning lessons. The thing with youth is not so much learning lessons, or that the kid learned his paying with his life. It is that any (healthy) young guy is immortal - until he learns he isn't or lives long enough to have others who are dependent on him. Learning lessons is one thing. It is another to believe you are ready to pay the consequences for your actions. I doubt most adults meet this criteria. Look at people who smoke? They don't worry about the increased risk of cancer - actually joking about it - until they are dying. Then it is another story. Steroids are in the news a lot now. It is the same thing. The bodybuilders and powerlifters I used to work out with would joke about how they were destroying their liver and kidneys. It didn't hit home until they were pissing blood and suddenly realize that they were mortal. I don't understand why I should feel any worse for some kid who did something stupid vs. an adult. - Kurt >> I have a 16 year old myself and he needs to learn lessons in life. >> Getting killed to learn them well that is another story. Yea the kid [quoted text clipped - 26 lines] > > - Kurt If someone had given me an RC51 at 17 I would not be here now. Thank goodness I had parents that set certain guidlines with my survival in mind- of course, that's what parents are for. Feel bad for the kiddo, it's not his fault. DaveG > of course, that's what parents are for. Feel bad for the kiddo, it's not his > fault. It was very much his own fault. He knew better - he just didn't care. That being said, his parents should not have let him have a RC51. Although I'm not sure which is worse. Having parents that let you own any sportbike you want, or parents like mine that didn't let me have a bike period. Hell, I'm 31 and they *still* don't know I have a bike. It just isn't worth telling them. - Kurt >> of course, that's what parents are for. Feel bad for the kiddo, it's not his >> fault. [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > >- Kurt I can tell them for you.:-) Regards Mike > I can tell them for you.:-) > Regards I guess they will find out soon enough. I bought my first house back in Sept so I would have a garage for the new bike (the old one was stolen out of the apartment complex - couldn't bring myself to get another bike without first having a garage). The parents will be visiting this spring to check out the house - I have no intention of hiding the bike when they come to visit. - Kurt >>I can tell them for you.:-) >>Regards [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > > - Kurt It should be displayed proudly in YOUR house. I suggest putting a 4X8 piece of polycarbonate over it for use as a table, and a sleeping bag for getting comfortable on it. SignatureAndrew 00 Daytona 00 Speed Triple > >> of course, that's what parents are for. Feel bad for the kiddo, it's not his > >> fault. [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > > > >- Kurt Im sure if the kid actually saved up and bought the bike himself, he would have a LOT more respect for it. If the bike was given to him, then what does he care? trash it and just get another one for free. > >I'm 31 and they *still* don't know I have a bike. It just isn't worth > telling > > >them. > Im sure if the kid actually saved up and bought the bike himself, he would > have a LOT more respect for it. If the bike was given to him, then what does > he care? trash it and just get another one for free. ... that's a great point!! i had to buy my first bike at age 13 (yamaha) and everything after that. i tended to take much better care of it because of it. i also had much more appreciation for it since i work a long time to get the money for it. Signature<< http://michaeljtobler.homelinux.com/ >> Missionary Position: The missionary on top. >>Im sure if the kid actually saved up and bought the bike himself, he would >>have a LOT more respect for it. If the bike was given to him, then what does [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > had much more appreciation for it since i work a long > time to get the money for it. Trey being the possible exception, I don't see ANY kids doing ANYTHING to earn their keep or toys these days. Since I have owned a house ~1988 I have had exactly ZERO kids ask to mow my yard, rake my leaves, shovel my snow, or deliver my paper. With the current group of incompetents steering our country, it won't be long before the spoiled kiddies get their comeupance. > I have had exactly ZERO kids ask to mow my yard, rake my leaves, shovel > my snow, or deliver my paper. That brings back memories. I don't even want to think about how many lawns I had to mow to save up for a remote controlled airplane. - Kurt > > I have had exactly ZERO kids ask to mow my yard, rake my leaves, shovel > > my snow, or deliver my paper. [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > - Kurt Ahh yes! Months of mowing lawns for about eight houses... That was my Saturday, one house at a time. Pushing the mower from one house to the next. Then finally have enough for "That bicycle in the shop window" > > I have had exactly ZERO kids ask to mow my yard, rake my leaves, shovel > > my snow, or deliver my paper. > > That brings back memories. I don't even want to think about how many > lawns I had to mow to save up for a remote controlled airplane. Heh, I can't relate too much to that. We had almost 4 acres of our own to cut, and all my neighbors had 2-3 acres of their own. Shoot, by the time I finished my own lawn, I had NO strength to cut anyone else's. But I can relate to this: if you wanted something you had to EARN IT! The ONLY time anything was given to us for nothing was Christmas, and that only comes but once a year. -- Troy D. Hilton 2003 SV1000S > > > I have had exactly ZERO kids ask to mow my yard, rake my leaves, shovel > > > my snow, or deliver my paper. [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > Troy D. Hilton > 2003 SV1000S And at that, you just got a sweater, and new jeans. Think I got a hammer once. > > > > I have had exactly ZERO kids ask to mow my yard, rake my leaves, > shovel [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] > And at that, you just got a sweater, and new jeans. Think I got a hammer > once. Yep, and don't forget the underwear and socks. Tell me, what gene in a mother tells her that fruit of the loom are a great gift? -- Troy D. Hilton 2003 SV1000S > > ... that's a great point!! i had to buy my first bike > > at age 13 (yamaha) and everything after that. i tended [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > I have had exactly ZERO kids ask to mow my yard, rake my leaves, shovel > my snow, or deliver my paper. ... you know, i hadnt even considered that until you just now mentioned it. how odd that is how the kids of today expect everything to be handed them. Signature<< http://michaeljtobler.homelinux.com/ >> "Arguments with furniture are rarely productive." -- Kehlog Albran, "The Profit" >> Heard they're singing this at his wake: > >Prick. > >A kid DIED FFS. Have some respect. Awww: wassa matter? Wittle baby gonna cry? Suck my dick, you f.cking ass-pump! '----------------------------------------------------- ' Daniel Bannon ' NW WA State, U.S.A. ' 2003 ZX636B Hercusaki, 1999 CBR1100XX '----------------------------------------------------- >>>Heard they're singing this at his wake: >> [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > > Suck my dick, you f.cking ass-pump! Suck my dick??? That's it, I'm convinced someone has hacked into Bannon's computer and is using it to spew nonsense. The old Bannon would have never said something so incredibly lame and juvenile. Seattle crew unite and help Bannon find and destroy this demon. >>>> Heard they're singing this at his wake: >>> [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > > Seattle crew unite and help Bannon find and destroy this demon. Get used to it. Too little snow, *and* it's mating season for Sasquatches. Give it a month or so. This too shall pass. SignatureAndrew 00 Daytona 00 Speed Triple >>>>> Heard they're singing this at his wake: >>>> [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] >Get used to it. Too little snow, *and* it's mating season for >Sasquatches. On second thought I best stay home.:-) Regards Mike >>> Suck my dick, you f.cking ass-pump! ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ ^^^^^^^^^ > Get used to it. Too little snow, *and* it's mating season for Sasquatches. > Give it a month or so. This too shall pass. I'm worried for the future of the big foots if Dano can't find the proper hole during his rut. > I'm worried for the future of the big foots if Dano can't find the > proper hole during his rut. ... "Dano" ?!?!??! like from Hawaii-Five-O ?!?!?! Signature<< http://michaeljtobler.homelinux.com/ >> One reason why George Washington Is held in such veneration: He never blamed his problems On the former Administration. - George O. Ludcke >>I'm worried for the future of the big foots if Dano can't find the >>proper hole during his rut. > > ... "Dano" ?!?!??! like from Hawaii-Five-O ?!?!?! Book'em Dano. >>>>Heard they're singing this at his wake: >>> [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > >That's it, I'm convinced someone has hacked into Bannon's computer I am with you there. This is not Bannon. Did Chad get Dans account info or something?:-) I am going to run his IP address. >Seattle crew unite and help Bannon find and destroy this demon. Heck I may go out there myself and take care of it.:-) Regards Mike >>Seattle crew unite and help Bannon find and destroy this demon. > > Heck I may go out there myself and take care of it.:-) You'd either freeze up in fear of the diversity of it all or preferably open your mind to new things. I think you should go...and grow. >>> Seattle crew unite and help Bannon find and destroy this demon. >> >> Heck I may go out there myself and take care of it.:-) > > You'd either freeze up in fear of the diversity of it all or preferably > open your mind to new things. I think you should go...and grow. Yeah, Mike Fell... come on out. There are even quite a few Buell riders around here, so you wouldn't be the only one with a loud (and slow) paint shaker for a motorcycle. :) Just giving you crap. I saw some sort of XB Firebolt tonight near my house, while driving home from downtown, and I had to stop the car to take a gander. It was the dark gray (black?) color with the translucent amber wheel paint. Striking. I should go up to the local mega-dealer and see about getting a test ride just for kicks. I'll have to do that on one of these gorgeous sunny days we've been having lately. SignatureJamin Kortegard 2002 YZF-R1 / 2003 WRX "Hokey 600s and trackday usability are no match for a good literbike at your side, kid." - Michael >>>>Seattle crew unite and help Bannon find and destroy this demon. >>> [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] > just for kicks. I'll have to do that on one of these gorgeous sunny days > we've been having lately. Take me with you. I've always wanted to check a Buell out. SignatureAndrew 00 Daytona 00 Speed Triple > >I know I am preaching to the choir here when I say keep stunting off > >the streets. You can see the result of such an act. Also, no 17 year [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > ' 2003 ZX636B Hercusaki, 1999 CBR1100XX > '----------------------------------------------------- lol. Im saving that one for my wedding. >Here is the info that I got from BWB > [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] >Our local sport bike group that Tim is a member of, EOS, will be >leading the procession from the church to the burial spot." Very sad to hear that =( E-mail me at kermos at somrek dot net, I am in orlando, so not far from leesburg, I'd like to attend that group ride. Stephan 2001 Yamaha YZF-R6 > Also, no 17 year > old has any business on an RC 51 or the like despite their riding > expirence. Not even Nicky Haden! STUPID HURTS REALLY STUPID KILLS |
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