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Motorcycle Forum / General / Sportbikes / February 2005CPR / DNR - Why it's important
Do Not Resuscitate On Tuesday Morning I got a call from my wife. She was screaming into the phone that her Dad had just had a heart attack. I left work immediately and went straight to the hospital. I met them in the ER, and it wasn't looking good. He had passed out at home sitting in a chair talking to his wife. She didn't know CPR and the 911 operators were trying to talk her through how to do it. Within a few minutes the paramedics arrived and took over. They worked on him for about 45 minutes before getting a steady heartbeat. He was rushed into emergency surgery and had a balloon angioplasty on 1 artery, which helped. No one was very hopeful at the Hospital. We found out yesterday that his brain was without oxygen for about 13 minutes. WAAAAY too long. Now he is on life support, and has no higher brain functions. This is a tragedy for my wife, and her family. My father in law would have been better off without being resuscitated. There is a 72 hour window (law in the state of WA, apparently) that he must stay on the machines. We cannot help him move on peacefully. My wife and her family have to watch her dad being sustained by machines when we know there is no hope. It is important to know CPR. Soon I am going to set up a class with all my Seattle cohorts. We'll get the CPR teacher to come to the house, and have a dinner and drinks and learn how to do CPR. (I'm 38 years old, and haven't taken a CPR class.) It is also important to know as a MC rider, as Bannon has pointed out a few times. The other point I want to make now is that a DNR is an important piece of paper. Do Not Resuscitate: I know a couple of people who are thinking of getting DNR tattoos. This is just the type of situation where a DNR is necessary. In hindsight, I wish my mother in law had never dialed 911. (This sounds terrible, but hindsight is 20:20.) My Father In Law: Bill Graham, a great guy, who loved motorsports, home brewing and winemaking. He was the 1st person I went to with questions about motors or homebrew and wine. He worked 30 years at Boeing, his 1 and only job. He loved his Mustangs, and his Subaru WRX. He loved any type of racing. I'm glad he lived long enough to see his daughter's wedding. We'll miss you Bill.  SignatureAndrew 00 Daytona 00 Speed Triple > It is important to know CPR. It is also extremely helpful to have an AED on hand -- in the five minutes it takes paramedics to arrive, you need to restore heart rhythm if the subject is fibrillating. Survival rates are dramatically enhanced by having these devices at hand. >> It is important to know CPR. > > It is also extremely helpful to have an AED on hand -- in the five > minutes it takes paramedics to arrive, you need to restore heart > rhythm if the subject is fibrillating. Survival rates are > dramatically enhanced by having these devices at hand. Absolutely true. He was revived using a defibrillator. He was in full cardiac arrest. An AED in the house would have probably saved him. They have them on every floor here at work. They should be in every house too, just like a fire extinguisher. SignatureAndrew 00 Daytona 00 Speed Triple Michael Sierchio <kudzu@tenebras.com> wrote in news:P6CdnaOryp6pq4PfRVn- rw@speakeasy.net: > It is also extremely helpful to have an AED on hand -- in the five > minutes it takes paramedics to arrive, you need to restore heart > rhythm if the subject is fibrillating. Survival rates are > dramatically enhanced by having these devices at hand. http://tinyurl.com/4fttm They're on sale... SignatureIBA# 11465 http://imagesdesavions.com >> It is important to know CPR. > >It is also extremely helpful to have an AED on hand -- in the five >minutes it takes paramedics to arrive, you need to restore heart >rhythm if the subject is fibrillating. Survival rates are >dramatically enhanced by having these devices at hand. We've got one of those installed at work, but training on its use has been scant. Remind myself to ask about that Monday morning. Signaturehttp://www.xmission.com/~tiger885/motorbike/NART/nart.html > My wife and her family have to watch her dad being sustained by machines > when we know there is no hope. I am sorry to hear this, Andrew. This is a hard time for your family. > It is important to know CPR. Soon I am going to set up a class with all > my Seattle cohorts. We'll get the CPR teacher to come to the house, and > have a dinner and drinks and learn how to do CPR. (I'm 38 years old, > and haven't taken a CPR class.) It is also important to know as a MC > rider, as Bannon has pointed out a few times. Good idea. I haven't taken a CPR class since I was a teenager, but it's been on my "to do" list for this year. The Red Cross offers classes, as well: http://www.redcross.org/where/where.html >>My wife and her family have to watch her dad being sustained by machines >>when we know there is no hope. [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > been on my "to do" list for this year. The Red Cross offers classes, as > well: http://www.redcross.org/where/where.html Thanks Holly. Mary's not doing so well right now, which is not out of the ordinary. She'll be home from the hospital soon. I went to work today. There doesn't seem to be much we can do. I feel so bad for her and her family. This is one of those worst case scenarios. We'll see you in July. BTW, put up a reeky album. SignatureAndrew 00 Daytona 00 Speed Triple > The other point I want to make now is that a DNR is an important piece > of paper. Do Not Resuscitate: I know a couple of people who are > thinking of getting DNR tattoos. This is just the type of situation > where a DNR is necessary. In hindsight, I wish my mother in law had > never dialed 911. (This sounds terrible, but hindsight is 20:20.) making those instrucions part of a Living Will does wonders. It is incredibly hard when the time comes to actually pull the plug, but in hindsight, it is sometimes the best. I watched my mother slowly waste away on machines and it took years and incredible amounts of money. My father had untreatable lung cancer, and when he finally went into pulmonary arrest three times in one evening, i was able to say "it ends here" and there were no machines used, all because of the specifics previously laid out in the will. Hard ? You can't imagine. The best decision for everyone, particularly the terminal patient and family member? Absolutely. My wife is a certified CPR instructor trainer. she teaches the aspiring instructors how to teach CPR to others. SignatureIron Butt Assoc., WATR 4X, BL3 paparazzi, E.O.B. R1100RT, R75/5 "If you are civil to the voluble, they will abuse your patience; if brusque, your character." - Jonathon Swift Sorry man, that is awful news. If you put together a class remember to invite me. SignatureGreg Sumner Seattle WA '03 CBR 600RR > Sorry man, that is awful news. If you put together a class remember to > invite me. You're on the list, it will either be at Kelly & Paul's house or my place. I am going to start investigating it next week. I gotta get in touch with Jamin and Keri, and Peckhammer and Girl Wonder too. SignatureAndrew 00 Daytona 00 Speed Triple > I gotta get in touch with Jamin and Keri, and Peckhammer and Girl Wonder > too. I'm sorry that the outlook for your father-in-law is so bleak, Andrew. I've been through similar situations, and it's helped to have family and friends around for comfort. Give Mary a hug for me. For the record, "Keri" is lotion, while Karri is my girlfriend. I don't know when she last took CPR and first aid, I'll have to ask. I'm one of the designated first responders at my office, so my employer makes sure my CPR certification is kept current, including training with the AED (automatic external defibrillator). Everyone should know basic first aid and CPR, I think. SignatureJamin Kortegard 2002 YZF-R1 / 2003 WRX "Hokey 600s and trackday usability are no match for a good literbike at your side, kid." - Michael >>I gotta get in touch with Jamin and Keri, and Peckhammer and Girl Wonder >>too. [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > For the record, "Keri" is lotion, while Karri is my girlfriend. My spelling sucks. Karri! Chicane! I think I got it now. :) > I don't know when she last took CPR and first aid, I'll have to ask. I'm one > of the designated first responders at my office, so my employer makes sure > my CPR certification is kept current, including training with the AED > (automatic external defibrillator). > > Everyone should know basic first aid and CPR, I think. Yeah, it's something I've considered doing (taking a class) but I have never gotten around to it. This incident makes me realize how important it is. SignatureAndrew 00 Daytona 00 Speed Triple > My spelling sucks. Karri! Chicane! I think I got it now. :) If Melissa ever gives birth to a little black girl, we're going to name her Chicane. Charles SignatureCharles Soto - Austin, TX *** 1999 GSF1200S, DoD No. "uno" ("Meepmeep" is "rr," as in Roadrunner, my ISP.) >>My spelling sucks. Karri! Chicane! I think I got it now. :) > > If Melissa ever gives birth to a little black girl, we're going to name > her Chicane. > > Charles I guess it's better than "bus-stop." SignatureAndrew 00 Daytona 00 Speed Triple > Do Not Resuscitate > [quoted text clipped - 46 lines] > > We'll miss you Bill. Sincerest and deepest repects during your grief.. You should know that those decisions we all have to make will follow and sometimes haunt us for the rest of our lives.. Regardless of our spiritual faith, there is a point that is beyond the control of us or the fine physicians we depend on.. When we reach that point, we must rely on our creator, whoever that may be.. I have always relied on my God to sustain me and handle matters of this magnitude.. Without prejudice, this has sustained me throughout my life.. Godspeed.. Bill Walker Irving, Tx. > -- > > Andrew > 00 Daytona > 00 Speed Triple >>Do Not Resuscitate >> [quoted text clipped - 57 lines] > Bill Walker > Irving, Tx. Thanks Bill, I know you are going through a tough time too, your thoughts are appreciated. SignatureAndrew 00 Daytona 00 Speed Triple >> Sincerest and deepest repects during your grief.. You should know that those >> decisions we all have to make will follow and sometimes haunt us for the [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] >Thanks Bill, I know you are going through a tough time too, your >thoughts are appreciated. What's up with Bill? He hasn't posted in a while, I've been afraid he doesn't like us anymore. Hope everything's ok, he's a good sport. Signaturehttp://www.xmission.com/~tiger885/motorbike/NART/nart.html > What's up with Bill? He hasn't posted in a while, I've been afraid he > doesn't like us anymore. Hope everything's ok, he's a good sport. Newsgroups: tx.motorcycles From: "Bill Walker" <bill.walk...@verizon.net> Date: Wed, 23 Feb 2005 14:27:26 GMT Local: Wed, Feb 23 2005 6:27 am Subject: OT: A Good Man Passing Missouri Israel Walker, 93 years old... was transported from a nursing home in Bridgeport, Tx. to Wise County Health Center, on Saturday morning.. Israel Walker, as he has been known, all his life.. suffered congestive heart failure and has lapsed into semi-comatose state..Doctors treating him have removed all medication and are trying to keep him free of pain and comfortable.. Here is a man that has lived his entire life in the truest sense of the word, as a MAN.. He was a big man.. 240 pounds, about 5'11" in his prime.. He never knew how strong he was .. Israel Walker was known for his strength of character and integrity.. Never smoked nor drank alcohol.. Never used profanity and offered his helping hand to many.. He was a good man.. One of his many accomplishments was his singing voice and was a member of several of the more prominent gospel quartets, of his time.. As a young man, he traveled extensively with the various gospel quartets, which he was associated with.. All day singings, with dinner on the grounds ..at inuumerable churchs, in a five state area was almost a weekly event for his family.. He sang high tenor, and his voice was so strong and sweet, there seemed to be no limit to the pitch and range while he held those high notes.. That voice gained him fame and marvel, even though his contributions to the gospel music industry as we know it, was never compensated with money.. The love of singing and the music was reward enough for him.. This man was diagnosed with Altzheimers a few years ago and his health has increasingly deteriorated since.. The lifelong companion that he chose, married and raised his family with, has preceded his passing by about three years.. They were together for the better part of 70 years.. Missouri Israel Walker is a legend in his own right, to all who knew him..While he makes this final journey, his passing will be sadly felt by the many, who had the good fortune, for their lives to be touched by this good man.. Israel Walker's destiny has been in the hands of God for most of his life.. This final chapter is being directed by God.. Surely . this momentous journey, of this good man will be remembered with love and kindliness, as he lived it.. As a Master Mason and a Scottish Rite Mason, his life is a textbook of examples to them..His love and dedication to the works of those Orders will be equaled, but never exceeded.. His name will be recorded in their own book of life.. Missouri Israel Walker is my father.. His passing will be one of the saddest and most memorable days of my life. I will be eternally grateful for this honorable man.. I'll miss him every day and I'll mourn the loss..but the memories of this fine man will be with me until I make that final journey of my own.. Thank you.. Your Friend in Irving Bill Walker >> What's up with Bill? He hasn't posted in a while, I've been afraid >he [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] >home >in Bridgeport, Tx. to Wise County Health Center, on Saturday morning.. ... >Missouri Israel Walker is my father.. His passing will be one of the >saddest [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] >Your Friend in Irving >Bill Walker Bill, if you see this, my sympathies on the loss of your father. I lost my mother the same way, at 76, this past November. Peace. Signaturehttp://www.xmission.com/~tiger885/motorbike/NART/nart.html Sometime before 24 Feb 2005, Andrew stated: > Do Not Resuscitate > [quoted text clipped - 46 lines] > > We'll miss you Bill. Deepest sympathies to you and your family. SignatureJohn Shirley http://scsquared.net/blog esthermofet at comcast dot net > Do Not Resuscitate Andrew, Joe and I sympathize with you, your wife and family, for what you are going through. May your father-in-law go gently into that good night and may you and your loved ones find peace. Sunny & Joe >Do Not Resuscitate > [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] >didn't know CPR and the 911 operators were trying to talk her through >how to do it. - snip - >The other point I want to make now is that a DNR is an important piece >of paper. Do Not Resuscitate: I know a couple of people who are [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > >We'll miss you Bill. Sorry to hear about that, and you are so right about the DNR. My father was only able to skip months of pain of dying from cancer by directing that, in case his heart stopped, they should not attempt to restart it, and then opting for every high-risk procedure they could think of. Al Moore DoD 734 > My Father In Law: Bill Graham, a great guy, who loved motorsports, home > brewing and winemaking. He was the 1st person I went to with questions [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > We'll miss you Bill. My condolences. Good luck with your class. "Andrew DAMN...that sucks Andrew. My wife already knows that I'm DNR for all catastrophic injuries that are going to result in profound brain damage and or leave me in a superman situation. She knows CPR and more importantly knows WHEN to stop...regardless of what egotistical doctors think. AAMOF I am in favour of euthanasia...I choose QUALITY over QUANTITY everytime. SignatureKeith Schiffner Assistant to the Assistant Undersecretary of the Ministry of Silly Walks. "terrorist organization" is a redundancy > Do Not Resuscitate Wow that was moving. Heartfelt condolences from a stranger... JaxSeagull .... > The other point I want to make now is that a DNR is an important piece of > paper. Do Not Resuscitate: I know a couple of people who are thinking of [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > > We'll miss you Bill. I'm sorry your family has to go through that Andrew. My dad filled out a what I think is called a Living Will before he died in surgery that gave instructions about live support in case something short of his death should occur. Niether my wife nor I have one but I know we should. It will be a rough 72 hours but the silver lining will be that he dies once support is removed. Try not to let your Mother Inlaw punish herself too much over his death. She's liable to feel guilty for not being able to help and will but she shouldn't. There are no guarantees in life and I'm sure she gave him a lot of herself during his life. Robert > My Father In Law: Bill Graham, a great guy, who loved > motorsports, home brewing and winemaking. He was the 1st person I > went to with questions about motors or homebrew and wine. He > worked 30 years at Boeing, his 1 and only job. He loved his > Mustangs, and his Subaru WRX. He loved any type of racing. I'm > glad he lived long enough to see his daughter's wedding. He sounds like someone I'd like to have known, My condolences. >Do Not Resuscitate Certainly with 13 minutes of no blood flow. >On Tuesday Morning I got a call from my wife. She was screaming into >the phone that her Dad had just had a heart attack. [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] >Within a few minutes the paramedics arrived and took over. They worked >on him for about 45 minutes before getting a steady heartbeat. Too long! >He was rushed into emergency surgery and had a balloon angioplasty on 1 >artery, which helped. [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] >in the state of WA, apparently) that he must stay on the machines. >We cannot help him move on peacefully. Three days Andrew. With no higher brain function he won't be aware of pain or much of anything else. >My wife and her family have to watch her dad being sustained by machines >when we know there is no hope. [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] >and haven't taken a CPR class.) It is also important to know as a MC >rider, as Bannon has pointed out a few times. Amen. A lady named Diana saved my a.s with CPR & removed my helmet. >The other point I want to make now is that a DNR is an important piece >of paper. Do Not Resuscitate: I know a couple of people who are >thinking of getting DNR tattoos. This is just the type of situation >where a DNR is necessary. In hindsight, I wish my mother in law had >never dialed 911. (This sounds terrible, but hindsight is 20:20.) That's a hard call, Andrew. If my family had followed the advice of a cold hearted East Indian bitch of a DR. I'd be pushing daisies now. If my brain were dead I might be thankful, otherwise it's a tough call/ >My Father In Law: Bill Graham, a great guy, who loved motorsports, home >brewing and winemaking. He was the 1st person I went to with questions [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > >We'll miss you Bill. I don't believe it "ends "here". Andrew. Just let him move on to the next step. Grieving is for the sake of those left behind, anyway. Bob Nixon Chandler AZ-deer strike recovery 01 Sprint ST "RED" 45K miles 03 GSXR 1000 "SILVER" 7K RIP (deer slain) >>Do Not Resuscitate > [quoted text clipped - 50 lines] > cold hearted East Indian bitch of a DR. I'd be pushing daisies now. If > my brain were dead I might be thankful, otherwise it's a tough call/ Wow having you around for insight on this is good. You were comatose for a while right? Did you feel, see, hear, remember anything? What are considered higher brain functions? What if he keeps breathing when they remove the machines? My wife is going nutz. I just put her to bed. No one knows if that's still her dad there or not. SignatureAndrew 00 Daytona 00 Speed Triple >>> Do Not Resuscitate >> [quoted text clipped - 58 lines] > What are considered higher brain functions? What if he keeps breathing > when they remove the machines? Those functions usually associated with Cheech & Chong comedy bits. > My wife is going nutz. I just put her to bed. No one knows if that's > still her dad there or not. SignatureMark Johnson, Ft. Worth, TX http://www.bikes-n-spikes.org "I don't want it good. I want it Tuesday." - Jack Warner [...] >> That's a hard call, Andrew. If my family had followed the advice of a >> cold hearted East Indian bitch of a DR. I'd be pushing daisies now. If >> my brain were dead I might be thankful, otherwise it's a tough call/ > >Wow having you around for insight on this is good. You were comatose >for a while right? Did you feel, see, hear, remember anything? Just bits and pieces, Andrew. Some of the things my family & friends "say I said" were bizarre. There's 5 weeks I was in an induced comatose state. >What are considered higher brain functions? What if he keeps breathing >when they remove the machines? > >My wife is going nutz. I just put her to bed. No one knows if that's >still her dad there or not. There are ways, (brain waves) that they can tell if there are still any higher brain functions. How much is another thing? You wouldn't believe the blood-sucking shrinks who swore I must have had a brain injury, due to my broken jaw. My response has always been where's your base line & that all the folks who knew me before the accident, said I haven't changed. I even beat some of the shrinks at their own little games. One A-hole threw me out of his office because I wanted to know how it was possible for me to beat him at his own test. Anyway, my point is that they DO have an agenda much, much more than the rest of the real medical profession. The only thing that hurts me in dealing with these "shrinks" is the same behaivior as here, or my occasional nasty temperament & "don't try to Bullshit me attitude". Bob Nixon Chandler AZ-deer strike recovery 01 Sprint ST "RED" 45K miles 03 GSXR 1000 "SILVER" 7K RIP (deer slain) > [...] > [quoted text clipped - 27 lines] > with these "shrinks" is the same behaivior as here, or my occasional > nasty temperament & "don't try to Bullshit me attitude". Tonight they are trying an anti seziure medication. They are looking for a specific brainwave. If they don't find it tomorrow, as they have not been able to find it all along, it is all over. SignatureAndrew 00 Daytona 00 Speed Triple > Tonight they are trying an anti seziure medication. They are looking for > a specific brainwave. If they don't find it tomorrow, as they have not > been able to find it all along, it is all over. Sorry to hear about your father in law Andrew. If there is nothing that can be done then at least there shouldn't be any pain. About twelve years ago a friend of mine was getting ready to fly to the Gulf with our Air National Guard unit. His wife left the room for a few minutes while he was having breakfast and returned to find him slumped over the kitchen table. He was gone in an instant and only 43 years old. I'm guessing the stress got him although it may have been the buckets of Kentucky Fried Chicken he would bring with him to share with the crew on our weekend Air National Guard trips. I'll hope for a miracle because you never know..... Dave Pedersen The only thing that hurts me in dealing > with these "shrinks" is the same behaivior as here, or my occasional > nasty temperament & "don't try to Bullshit me attitude". LOL! I was told I had "a problem with authority" because I don't believe everything I hear, and "unusual beliefs" or some such, because I said there may be an afterlife. I wish those guys knew half as much as they think they do, they could help a lot of unhappy people. Reassembler > Do Not Resuscitate I'm sorry to hear that. Please pass along my condolences to your wife. Reassembler >The other point I want to make now is that a DNR is an important piece >of paper. Do Not Resuscitate: I know a couple of people who are >thinking of getting DNR tattoos. This is just the type of situation >where a DNR is necessary. In hindsight, I wish my mother in law had >never dialed 911. (This sounds terrible, but hindsight is 20:20.) My Mom and Dad both got DNR paperwork a year or two back. In Mom's case, it was really important to have. As her heart was failing (congestive heart failure), she made some visits to hospital. The hospital needed to have a copy of the DNR order, so that if she had a heart attack they could just let her go. According to the cardiologist, it would be the most painless way to go at that point in the disease. Her heart had retained only about 10% of its strength and functionality, he was amazed that she'd gone on as long as she had. Anyway, without the DNR the hospital would have been forced to attempt resuscitation, and she would have been forced to die of suffocation. Good luck dealing with this, it's tough. Signaturehttp://www.xmission.com/~tiger885/motorbike/NART/nart.html As of this am he is off the venitlator and all meds except for pain and comfort medications. I hope he passes quickly, for my family's sake. Thanks to everyone who sent out well wishes and good thoughts. They ARE appreciated. SignatureAndrew 00 Daytona 00 Speed Triple We'll miss you Bill. -- Andrew 00 Daytona 00 Speed Triple Beardg>>My condolences Andrew. > We'll miss you Bill. I'm sorry to report we lost Bill today. I am happy he has moved on. Thank you guys for all your wishes. I've passed them on to my wife. She knows how tightly knit this crowd is and she appreciates your support. Goodnight Bill. SignatureAndrew 00 Daytona 00 Speed Triple > > We'll miss you Bill. > [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > Goodnight Bill. On the one hand, I'm very sorry to hear this as I think about how hard this must be for your wife. On the other hand, it seems this outcome is for the best; the living can have closure and begin to heal. My thoughts are with you and her. SignatureDenise AFM #732 denise dot howard at comcast dot net '88 EX250 racebike | '00 SV650 | '00 929 Lippman Racing CBR 400RR >> We'll miss you Bill. > [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > > Goodnight Bill. Darn.<hugs> >> We'll miss you Bill. > [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > >Goodnight Bill. Very sorry for your loss. 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