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Motorcycle Forum / General / Sportbikes / April 2005What kind of revenge for an Ebay asshat?
It had to happen eventually. After countless transactions all with stellar feedback I came across a real f.cker. Said f.cker sold me a moto-related item. I contacted them immediately about shipping costs and informed them I'd be away for the upcoming weekend. They never got back to me before I left and took several days to come up with a finally tally. No problemo. I respond that the 2-day shipping would be fine. Never hear from them again. And yes I used all the email addys they had listed. I wasn't about to whisk the funds off without hearing from the first. I then see the item I won reposted. And another dude won it. And the transaction was completed along with positive feedback being given by the new buyer. But wait, there's more! Apparently it wasn't enough for this twat to reneg on the deal (I had gotten a decent price). Nooooooooooo, they also posted negative feedback to my account about the experience. Claiming non-performance on my behalf, when in fact THEY were the non-performers choosing to ignore my win and sell for a higher price. So, it's time for some payback. And payback is going to be a bitch. Any ideas? PS As a future warning try to avoid buying moto-related items from a dolt mommy who has no idea about motorcycles. I dunno how she came across the item I coveted but everything else in her transactions is like baby shoes, figurines and other frilly sh.t. Thanks for venting! >It had to happen eventually. After countless transactions all with >stellar feedback I came across a real f.cker. [quoted text clipped - 29 lines] > >Thanks for venting! Kind of like you, I've had several hundred eBay transactions with only one bad experience. I won a pair of motorcycle forks and sent off payment. The seller had a spotless feedback record. But the forks never arrived. I e-mailed, and the wife replied, saying that the husband had taken ill and was in the hospital. I decide to give her some time, since I wasn't in a rush and it sounded like she had more important things to attend to than pulling a pair of forks off of her husband's parts bike. I never did end up getting the forks, and the dozen or so auctions of theirs that ended around the same time as mine almost all resulted in negative feedback being left for them. They went from stellar eBayers to "no longer a registered user" in about a month. Their username was "wheeliebardown". You can look at their feedback and see how it went to sh.t almost overnight. In your case, I would leave negative feedback for the seller, complain to eBay, and try to get the seller to agree to a mutual withdrawal of both pieces of feedback. What was the timeline for all this? How long between the end of the first auction and the negative feedback she left on you? How long between the end of the first auction and when she re-listed it? If these times are overly short, it would be evidence against her claim that you were a non-paying bidder. Other than pursuing the matter through eBay and trying to clean up your feedback, there's not much you can do that's not illegal, childish or too much trouble. You could mailbomb the sh.t out of her e-mail address (100,000+ e-mails a day in her inbox would get her attention), or you can create several new eBay accounts and put in bogus bids on her other auctions. I guess you have her home address as well, but anything you could do with that still falls under the illegal/childish/time-consuming umbrella.  SignatureScott Gardner "The most exciting phrase to hear in science, the one that heralds the most discoveries, is not Eureka! (I found it!) but 'That's funny..." (Isaac Asimov) > I won a pair of motorcycle forks and sent off payment. > I never did end up getting the forks. > Scott Gardner So, as a curious, non-ebayer, what happen(s)(ed) to your payment? Gary >> I won a pair of motorcycle forks and sent off payment. > [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > >Gary The sellers certainly spent it. eBay doesn't actually handle the monetary transactions between buyer and seller. For high-dollar auctions, you can set up an escrow arrangement through eBay, but even in that case, I think the actual escrow-management duties are farmed out to another company. Many people pay for auction items using PayPal, and eBay does own PayPal, but it's a "wholly-owned subsidary" type of thing, so I still don't think of PayPal payments as "going through" eBay. SignatureScott Gardner "Landing on the ship during the daytime is like sex, it's either good or it's great. Landing on the ship at night is like a trip to the dentist, you may get away with no pain, but you just don't feel comfortable." (LCDR Thomas Quinn, USN) Well, if you just lost the money, you are aware that you can file criminal charges against the seller, in her locale. It's handled through the local government's fraud division of the DA's office. I sat on the grand jury in my area, and we processed similar cases all the time. Although, I don't recall any involving Ebay, we certainly did handle acts that involving much less doc- umentation than you've described. Sometimes, it's affectionately known as the "swindle squad". Personally, I wouldn't fool with any Ebay recourse anymore, if the bucks/time warrant, I'd just go the DA route. At least check it out to see what's available. You might be surprised. If you're looking for retaliation, nothing gets attention like an arrest warrant! Gary > >> I won a pair of motorcycle forks and sent off payment. > > [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] > PayPal, but it's a "wholly-owned subsidary" type of thing, so I still > don't think of PayPal payments as "going through" eBay. may get away with no pain, but you just don't feel comfortable." (LCDR Thomas Quinn, USN) >Well, if you just lost the money, you are aware that you can file >criminal charges against the seller, in her locale. [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > >Gary My incident involved less than $100 and was over four years ago. And if the proceeding would have to take place where she lives, the travel expenses, hotel cost, and aggravation would have more than offset any potential award. As for GSM, he hadn't sent her the money yet when she re-listed the item and sold it to someone else, so he hasn't been deprived of anything tangible that he could recover in court. SignatureScott Gardner "If you sleep twelve hours a day, then the deployment will only be three months long, not six!" (Navy JO saying) > As for GSM, he hadn't sent her the money yet when she re-listed the > item and sold it to someone else, so he hasn't been deprived of > anything tangible that he could recover in court. Breach of contract is a tort and cause for action. >> As for GSM, he hadn't sent her the money yet when she re-listed the >> item and sold it to someone else, so he hasn't been deprived of >> anything tangible that he could recover in court. > >Breach of contract is a tort and cause for action. I didn't say it wasn't actionable, just that he hasn't lost anything of tangible value. SignatureScott Gardner "Some mornings, it's just not worth chewing through the leather straps." (Emo Philips) Depending on how you paid, you can possibly get your money back. My wife has mailed items to people, the items took too long to ship for some reason, the buyer complained to paypal and the money was taken back from my wife! Of course a day later their stuff arrived in the mail so they now have their money AND the item. About 6 months passed and finally my wife got the money back. If you pay with a credit card, usually credit cards have great fraud protection and you can get the money back. --Dan >> I won a pair of motorcycle forks and sent off payment. > [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > > Gary >So, as a curious, non-ebayer, what happen(s)(ed) to your payment? > >Gary I think he said he didn't pay, since he had not heard back from the seller. SignatureDon Binns RCOS# 7 2000 - Yamaha Venture Millennium Edition 84 - Virago 1000 Disclaimer: This message may contain incidental references to various brands of motorcycles, vehicles or parts manufacturers. They are included for informational purposes only and are not intended to upset, inflame or otherwise disturb the sensibilities of anyone associated with the brands. Hyper-sensitive readers of the post who might be upset with the content are advised to make copious notes, organize them into a coherent message and then hit the delete button. http://www3.telus.net/public/dbinns/reeky.htm http://www3.telus.net/public/dbinns/radium1.htm http://www3.telus.net/public/dbinns/ http://www3.telus.net/public/dbinns/banff.htm http://www3.telus.net/public/dbinns/kananaskis.htm http://www3.telus.net/public/dbinns/walkercalgary.htm http://www3.telus.net/public/dbinns/calgarybrowning.htm Thanks, I guess I didn't catch/understand that. Gary > >So, as a curious, non-ebayer, what happen(s)(ed) to your payment? > > > >Gary > > I think he said he didn't pay, since he had not heard back from the > seller. >Thanks, I guess I didn't catch/understand that. Understand what? 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The whole thing happened within a month. She sent me a reply about shipping costs, I got back to her and then nada... no more replies. I wasn't about to paypal a good chunka change when she got all quiet on me like that. Within that month the same item was sold for more money to another bidder, delivered and they left wonderful feedback for each other. >Other than pursuing the matter through eBay and trying to clean up >your feedback, there's not much you can do that's not illegal, >childish or too much trouble. I already did report through Ebay. What I was thinking was posting a link that describes the entire account factually an in greater detail than the measly line they give you. She's already gotten back to me accusing me of a "hurtful email" for calling her a renegging seller. Apparently she's playing the helpless woman card, having gotten good results with it in the past. It's pretty obvious she simply didn't like the price I'd won and was giving me the runaround. She took her time getting back about shipping and make sure she inflated it somewhat to boot! I'd ordinarily let this whole thing go, but sometimes you gotta teach the greedy asshats a lesson. >>What was the timeline for all this? How long between the end of the >>first auction and the negative feedback she left on you? How long [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] >wasn't about to paypal a good chunka change when she got all quiet on >me like that. Well, she had your shipping address, you had her PayPal account, and you'd made contact and agreed on a shipping method and costs. What else were you expecting to hear from her about? >Within that month the same item was sold for more money to another >bidder, delivered and they left wonderful feedback for each other. If the item was re-listed within ten days of when you won it, that would be a big help for you. eBay generally expects sellers to allow *at least* ten days for buyers to send payment. If she re-listed it inside that 10-day window, it makes it apparent that she had no intentions of shipping it to you. >>Other than pursuing the matter through eBay and trying to clean up >>your feedback, there's not much you can do that's not illegal, [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] >I'd ordinarily let this whole thing go, but sometimes you gotta teach >the greedy asshats a lesson. I'd certainly leave the negative feedback for her. If you want your feedback to include a link to a longer explanation, you could probably do that as well. I don't know how much she cares about her feedback rating, but negative feedback on her account might be just the incentive she needs to get her to agree to a mutual feedback withdrawal. SignatureScott Gardner "It may be that our role on this planet is not to worship God, but to create him." (Arthur C. Clarke) > I'd certainly leave the negative feedback for her. If you want your > feedback to include a link to a longer explanation, you could probably > do that as well. I don't know how much she cares about her feedback > rating, but negative feedback on her account might be just the > incentive she needs to get her to agree to a mutual feedback > withdrawal. ebay won't let that happen. the link will be removed and you'll get a "warning". i'm sure there is some small print in the user agreement that says you won't do such a thing. the worst you can do... is leave negative feedback. sucks.. huh? SignatureDebbie Keith 2002 Daytona "Buell rhymes with Stool" >>I'd certainly leave the negative feedback for her. If you want your >>feedback to include a link to a longer explanation, you could probably [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > > sucks.. huh? I had a negative feeback left for me over a $2.00 auction I forgot to pay within the time limits. (This is before I was using paypal.) Anyhow the guy left me negative feedback, and since it was my fault I owned up to it, and said, yeah, I forgot to sent the $2.00. It is my only bit of negative feedback. I was kinda upset at first, but then I figured, who the heck cares. 1 negative transaction out of 120 or so. I'd just leave negative feedback and move on. SignatureAndrew 00 Daytona 00 Speed Triple RCOS #7 >>>I'd certainly leave the negative feedback for her. If you want your >>>feedback to include a link to a longer explanation, you could probably [quoted text clipped - 22 lines] > >I'd just leave negative feedback and move on. I feel the same way. I've never gotten any negative feedback, but with over six years on eBay and over 250 positive feedbacks, I probably won't lose much sleep if it ever happens. I think most people realize that one bad feedback out of a couple hundred is either an honest mistake, retaliatory feedback, or both. SignatureScott Gardner "A billion hours ago, human life appeared on earth. A billion minutes ago, Christianity emerged. A billion Coca Colas ago was yesterday morning. " (from a Coca-Cola report) >> I'd certainly leave the negative feedback for her. If you want your >> feedback to include a link to a longer explanation, you could probably [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > >sucks.. huh? Yep - good call. I double-checked the feedback policies, and "links or scripts" aren't allowed in feedback comments. I think you could still put in something like "contact me for more details", though. He could then give the link to any interested parties via e-mail. SignatureScott Gardner "There's a light at the end of the tunnel, and it's a muzzle flash." (CDR Andy Colletti, USN) > Yep - good call. I double-checked the feedback policies, and "links > or scripts" aren't allowed in feedback comments. I think you could > still put in something like "contact me for more details", though. He > could then give the link to any interested parties via e-mail. ...and to make it even easier, set up an email address with an auto-respond so you don't even have to worry about doing it manually... SignatureRCOS #7 IBA# 11465 http://imagesdesavions.com > She's already gotten back to me accusing me of a "hurtful email" for > calling her a renegging seller. Apparently she's playing the helpless [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > I'd ordinarily let this whole thing go, but sometimes you gotta teach > the greedy asshats a lesson. Before you get to medival on her hieny, make sure that one of your e-mail servers (yours or hers) didn't spend time in a spam block list. E-mail can and does vanish without a trace in cases like that, and e-mail is NOT a guaranteed delivery medium. It may be a case of some spammer taking up residence on your ISP's mail server and getting your e- mails (or hers) blocked for a few days - long enough to lose the incoming/outgoing mail. SignatureCam '89 RZ 350 > >It had to happen eventually. After countless transactions all with > >stellar feedback I came across a real f.cker. > > > >they also posted negative feedback to my account about the experience. > >Claiming non-performance on my behalf, when in fact THEY were the > >non-performers choosing to ignore my win and sell for a higher price. [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > to eBay, and try to get the seller to agree to a mutual withdrawal of > both pieces of feedback. Thats the best advice but negotiate first, you need them to remove the bad feedback as that is going to stay with you, Your anger will leave you eventually. Once crap starts on ebay it can get nasty, retaliation should be the last option as it only leads to more pain. However if you were to start working on building up a new account then you could ebay stalk them and totally abuse your old account. Some dolt from New York tried doing that to me, he 'would bid me up' on items I was bidding on and then he would go to far and end up winning expensive items which he couldn't pay for. I ended up emailing the sellers he was not paying and soon after his first account was toast, he came back with another and again was banned . Its a losing proposition unfortunately and a lot of work for little reward. Martin >> >It had to happen eventually. After countless transactions all with >> >stellar feedback I came across a real f.cker. [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] >bad feedback as that is going to stay with you, >Your anger will leave you eventually. I don't think eBay allows you to directly remove feedback comments you've left for someone else. BOTH parties involved have to contact eBay and request that BOTH parties' comments be removed. Then, the eBay personnel have to remove the comments - you can't do it yourself. That's why I think GSM should complain to eBay and leave negative feedback. The woman who reneged on the auction has no incentive to agree to a mutual withdrawal of feedback unless there's a black mark on her account as well. SignatureScott Gardner "Computers are useless. They can only give you answers." (Pablo Picasso) > Kind of like you, I've had several hundred eBay transactions with only > one bad experience. I won a pair of motorcycle forks and sent off > payment. Why are people who happen to be the top bidder on Ebay claim referred to as a "winner"? What is it, exactly, that you win? It's not like you are getting the item for free... You still have to pay for it... Is this the result of a generation of kids going through school without getting grades and playing soccer where nobody keeps score? They're all winners too, right? SignatureRCOS #7 IBA# 11465 http://imagesdesavions.com >> Kind of like you, I've had several hundred eBay transactions with only >> one bad experience. I won a pair of motorcycle forks and sent off [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > and playing soccer where nobody keeps score? They're all winners too, > right? Judging by the price some people pay to be a winner, I'd say the prize is having beat your fellow bidders. Robert > Judging by the price some people pay to be a winner, I'd say the prize > is having beat your fellow bidders. I've been to only a few real auctions but I don't remember anyone there being referred to as a "winner"... "High Bidder", yah... I guess I just don't get it... SignatureRCOS #7 IBA# 11465 http://imagesdesavions.com >> Kind of like you, I've had several hundred eBay transactions with only >> one bad experience. I won a pair of motorcycle forks and sent off [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] >and playing soccer where nobody keeps score? They're all winners too, >right? I'm not really sure why I typed it the way I did ("won a pair of motorcycle forks"). I certainly didn't win the forks, since I still paid for them. I did "win" the auction, though. I don't think it's a misuse of the term, since auctions are a competitive affair between the bidders. Also, saying "I won the auction" is less of a mouthful than "I was the high bidder on the auction". SignatureScott Gardner "There is a wicked pretense that one has been informed. But no such thing has truly occurred! A mere slogan, an empty litany. No arguments are heard, no evidence is weighed. It isn't news at all, only a source of amusement for idlers." (Gibson-Sterling, The Difference Engine) > . > > [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > the bidders. Also, saying "I won the auction" is less of a mouthful > than "I was the high bidder on the auction". ebay telling you you are the "winner" probably is where it all comes from....it is somewhat of a competition to "win" and as with all competitions you have "winners" and "losers".... >>. >> [quoted text clipped - 24 lines] > from....it is somewhat of a competition to "win" and as with all > competitions you have "winners" and "losers".... Except when people get in bidding wars, then the winner *is* the loser! SignatureAndrew 00 Daytona 00 Speed Triple RCOS #7 >>>. >>> [quoted text clipped - 26 lines] > >Except when people get in bidding wars, then the winner *is* the loser! That's why I'm a big fan of the "bid-snipe". I decide up front how much I'm willing to pay for the item, and then enter that as my bid about ten seconds before the auction ends. That way, if I get outbid, I don't have time to put in another bid. Only bidding once, and doing it very late in the auction, helps keep me out of bidding wars and pissing matches. SignatureScott Gardner "I was an hour late to work today, but I'll leave an hour early to make up for it." > I'm not really sure why I typed it the way I did ("won a pair of > motorcycle forks"). I certainly didn't win the forks, since I still > paid for them. I did "win" the auction, though. I guess that makes some kind of sense... My comment was not directed at YOU personally... I've been to several autions of the years and the high bidder there was just that, the "High Bidder"... I don't think I've ever heard of someone who paid for what they got referred to as a "winner" until Ebay came along.... SignatureRCOS #7 IBA# 11465 http://imagesdesavions.com > Kind of like you, I've had several hundred eBay transactions with only > one bad experience. I won a pair of motorcycle forks and sent off [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] > to eBay, and try to get the seller to agree to a mutual withdrawal of > both pieces of feedback. one I came across was from a guy in Florida. He had a negative feedback from some guy saying " did not respond to any emails" the guy then responded saying "um, FLORIDA! we just had a Hurricane and it knocked out the power" Checking the dates, it matched up with the past hurricane that hit. gotta love these types of people out there. > Said f.cker sold me a moto-related item. I contacted them immediately > about shipping costs and informed them I'd be away for the upcoming > weekend. . > Any ideas? Yes... ask about shipping cost prior to even bidding... that way you can judge the sellers response time and also it helps to keep the seller honest after the sell... it's especially important when dealing with overseas Ebayers... Larry L 94 RC45 #2 Have a wheelie NICE day... Lean & Mean it in every corner of your life... If it wasn't for us the fast lane would rust... V4'S are music to the seat of my pants... 1952 De Havilland Chipmunk... Yank and bank your brains loose... http://members.ebay.com/aboutme/-xlax-/ http://home.comcast.net/~netters2/ http://www.fox302.com/index.pl?s=vg&user=netters2 >>Said f.cker sold me a moto-related item. I contacted them immediately >>about shipping costs and informed them I'd be away for the upcoming [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > the sellers response time and also it helps to keep the seller honest after the > sell... it's especially important when dealing with overseas Ebayers... Yeah, this is the way I do it, especially with sellers that have little or no feedback. SignatureAndrew 00 Daytona 00 Speed Triple >Yes... ask about shipping cost prior to even bidding. Not always feasible. I typically only bid on stuff ending ASAP and many times the auction would close waiting for a reply. I know all of my auctions have ended with excellent feedback. I contact and pay immediately. I ship promptly. Why is it a big deal to expect similar? And why would anyone with good intentions leave negative feedback after reneg on a deal? That's just plain stupid and greedy. Thanks all for listening to my rant. I'm gonna go the negative feedback/retraction route. And of course offer my email to anyone who listens! >>Yes... ask about shipping cost prior to even bidding. > [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > feedback/retraction route. And of course offer my email to anyone who > listens! I really think you're stuck and that's about your only option. Bummer. SignatureAndrew 00 Daytona 00 Speed Triple RCOS #7 > Yes... ask about shipping cost prior to even bidding... that way you can judge > the sellers response time and also it helps to keep the seller honest after the > sell... it's especially important when dealing with overseas Ebayers... I had a recent experience in which a seller reamed me for leaving neutral feedback on an item. This was a fabricated Al, non-OEM, monoposto subframe for a Ducati 749/999. The subframe indeed does fit, and seems robust, but there were two mitigating factors to my joy -- 1) the seller took about a week after funds were collected by his bank to ship the item, and 2) the reinforcing tabs (non-OEM) are positioned in such a way as to make shock adjustments extremely difficult. His response to me was that he was concerned about what others thought of him and his reputation. I asked if he cared about what *I* thought, and if he didn't think my feedback on the design of the item was accurate. It's not as if I had the opportunity to handle the item before committing the funds. He didn't show a pic of the thing on a bike. Your thoughts? (Greek Shipping Magnets <an.a.s.is@x.x>) scribbled: > So, it's time for some payback. And payback is going to be a bitch. > Any ideas? ... have Debra Keith draw one of her famous cartoon characters of the woman and post it on the 'Net :) Signature<< http://michaeljtobler.homelinux.com (Modern English - Someone's Calling) >> I feel sorry for your brain... all alone in that great big head... > Said f.cker sold me a moto-related item. Here you go Jr.Pudknocker... I found another one on Ebay... http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=68399&item=6957643368&rd=1 Larry L 94 RC45 #2 Have a wheelie NICE day... Lean & Mean it in every corner of your life... If it wasn't for us the fast lane would rust... V4'S are music to the seat of my pants... 1952 De Havilland Chipmunk... Yank and bank your brains loose... http://members.ebay.com/aboutme/-xlax-/ http://home.comcast.net/~netters2/ http://www.fox302.com/index.pl?s=vg&user=netters2 > Here you go Jr.Pudknocker... I found another one on Ebay... > http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=68399&item=6957643368&rd=1 Isn't that Troy's bike? SignaturePaul Calman, Hathaway Pines, California >> Here you go Jr.Pudknocker... I found another one on Ebay... >> http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=68399&item=6957 >> 643368&rd=1 > > Isn't that Troy's bike? No... Boy's bike is pink... Remember his sig line? SignatureRCOS #7 IBA# 11465 http://imagesdesavions.com Post the name of the seller here so at least none of us get taken by these clowns, then tell her you did it via email. Make her think that EVERYONE uses Reeky! > It had to happen eventually. After countless transactions all with > stellar feedback I came across a real f.cker. [quoted text clipped - 21 lines] > So, it's time for some payback. And payback is going to be a bitch. > Any ideas? Set up a bogey account and buy several of his items and not pay. > PS > As a future warning try to avoid buying moto-related items from a dolt [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > Thanks for venting! |
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