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Can Anyone recommend a powerfull/agile/comfortable two-up tourer?

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Damien Sawyer - 20 Jun 2005 01:36 GMT
Hi,

I'm looking to trade in my 1997 Ducati 750SS on something
1/ more powerful
2/ more comfortable for two people touring

I don't suppose someone could recommend anything to look at? I'm looking at
the CBR1100XX (see my other post 3 minutes ago) however (amongst other
things) am nervous that I'm going to miss the agility of the smaller bike.
My 'favourite' riding is along the lines of quick runs through tight alpine
type twisties (well... whoose isn't?)

I've been a bit Ducati obsessed for the past 10 years... but am thinking
that I might turn my eyes to other manufacturers.

Thanks in advance for any advice :-)

Damien Sawyer
Phil - 20 Jun 2005 02:09 GMT
Not good for 2 up touring, but Aprilia Tuono comes to mind.  Especially if
you want agility in tight twisties.  However, the engine is a twin, and
while counterbalanced and smooth, you feel power pulses quite clearly.
Quite a bit cheaper to maintain than a Ducati, and more comfy than a
CBR1100XX in my mind.  - Phil

> Hi,
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> Damien Sawyer
_Bob_Nixon - 20 Jun 2005 04:26 GMT
>Not good for 2 up touring, but Aprilia Tuono comes to mind.  Especially if
>you want agility in tight twisties.  However, the engine is a twin, and
>while counterbalanced and smooth, you feel power pulses quite clearly.
>Quite a bit cheaper to maintain than a Ducati, and more comfy than a
>CBR1100XX in my mind.  - Phil

What a clueless response from Phil. The Tuono has little wind
protection and is basically a stripped down race replica; aka Mille.
This guy asked about touring bikes and you come back with a "CITY
houligan bike". And dude, all the priller 60 degree (Rotax)twins are
paint shakers. At least you could have suggested the Futura as it is a
purpose built Sport Tourer?

>> Hi,
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>> Thanks in advance for any advice :-)

Aprilia Futura, Triumph Sprint ST, Honda VFR, Ducati ST4s & ST3s,
Honda XX, Yamaha FJR-1300, Honda ST-1300, BMW K1200RS, Kawasaki
ZZR-1200, Suzuki SV-1000S, Suzuki Hayabusa 1300.
Bob Nixon, Chandler AZ
01 Sprint ST "RED" 45K miles
DaveG - 20 Jun 2005 15:30 GMT
> Not good for 2 up touring, but Aprilia Tuono comes to mind.  Especially if
> you want agility in tight twisties.  However, the engine is a twin, and
> while counterbalanced and smooth, you feel power pulses quite clearly.
> Quite a bit cheaper to maintain than a Ducati, and more comfy than a
> CBR1100XX in my mind.  - Phil

Have you seen a CBRXX?? It's got a big a.s bench seat, it's awesome for two
up, and the engine is butter smooth. I've never ridden a Tuono, but it looks
like an RSV with no body work- so I'm sure I could ride one two up all
day... as long as I'm running from an apocalyptic army of demons.

>> Hi,
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>> Damien Sawyer
G C - 20 Jun 2005 02:34 GMT
> Hi,
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> Damien Sawyer

ZG1000 (GTR1000) any year after '95. It aint a Duc but it does 2 up
well. They are inexpensive and maintenance free as a bike can be.
There is a reason I still have a Duc and the Kawi. (Though the 900 is
well ahead of the 750 when it comes to grunt. Still gets it's a.s handed
to it by modern 600s.)

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Jim S - 20 Jun 2005 03:28 GMT
There seems to be a lot of interest in this:
http://www.bmwmotorcycles.com/machine/models/model.jsp?model=r1200st

I rode one at a recent open house, and was very impressed. Not overpowering
but extremely do-able for two up stuff. We took it over one of the local
goat-trails and got on it fairly aggressively, it just did what we asked. I
like that in a bike. The suspension is by far the most stable in high speed
turns ( even on bumpy, nasty roads) that I have ever ridden. The best.

My spouse enjoyed the ride, too. We own a 1994 R1100Rs and found that the
ST put to rest anything we don't particularly like about the RS. So when we
win the lottery, we'll get one. Silver , I guess.
I would look at Yamaha FJR 1300, Ducati ST4, and even the BMW R1200GS (the
new one).

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PC Paul - 27 Jun 2005 16:44 GMT
> There seems to be a lot of interest in this:
> http://www.bmwmotorcycles.com/machine/models/model.jsp?model=r1200st
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> I would look at Yamaha FJR 1300, Ducati ST4, and even the BMW R1200GS (the
> new one).

This is a far better option for comfortable touring:
http://www.bmwmotorcycles.com/machine/models/model.jsp?model=r1200rt

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saddlebag@aol.com - 27 Jun 2005 23:49 GMT
>> There seems to be a lot of interest in this:
>> http://www.bmwmotorcycles.com/machine/models/model.jsp?model=r1200st
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> This is a far better option for comfortable touring:
> http://www.bmwmotorcycles.com/machine/models/model.jsp?model=r1200rt

From the looks of it, the reviews I read, and all the nifty features I
would have been the first to agree with you...then I rode one. I'll take
an ST4 or Sprint ST any day thank you very much.
Tweak - 28 Jun 2005 13:01 GMT
> > This is a far better option for comfortable touring:
> > http://www.bmwmotorcycles.com/machine/models/model.jsp?model=r1200rt
>
>  From the looks of it, the reviews I read, and all the nifty features I
> would have been the first to agree with you...then I rode one. I'll take
> an ST4 or Sprint ST any day thank you very much.

The R1200RT?  Have not ridden one yet, but it does indeed read like the
ticket.

Might be different for me coming off the ST1100 as opposed to the ST4.
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PC Paul - 28 Jun 2005 17:42 GMT
>>> There seems to be a lot of interest in this:
>>> http://www.bmwmotorcycles.com/machine/models/model.jsp?model=r1200st
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> would have been the first to agree with you...then I rode one. I'll take
> an ST4 or Sprint ST any day thank you very much.

Well hell! What do I know about comfort? I'm still riding a '77 R100RS
with a Corbin Gunfighter saddle.
;-)

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DaveG - 20 Jun 2005 15:48 GMT
> Hi,
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> Thanks in advance for any advice :-)

Personally, I think the CBRXX is a great GT bike, and the ZZR1200 you
mentioned in your other post is very well respected in that department as
well. Essentially, there are many to choose from- so one question to ponder
is how much do you want to spend? Because I can find new VFR's for under
$8000 (but it will not pull like the others listed), and the XX is no longer
being sold in the US so you may be able to find some deals on it also. The
FJR is a bitch to get your hands on, there is a wait list typically so there
will be very little bargaining involved in that purchase. The K1200S sure
does feel sweet when I sit on her, but she's also somewhere around $16,000.
More to add to the list: Triumph Sprint ST, Aprilia Futura (as Bob
mentioned), and the Ducati ST3 or ST4s. I guess all one can do is put
together a list of bikes and there features- or lack of- and compare to a
list of what you want, everything from price down to the looks of the bike.
Good luck.

DaveG
Andrew - 20 Jun 2005 18:52 GMT
>>Hi,
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> DaveG

So I saw the MZ 1000 at the dealer a week or so ago.  It can give the
Sprint a run for it's money on comfort.  It is a bit weaker on
protection, and it has the parallel twin, which is not as nice as a
triple, IMO.  I didn't ride it, but I did sit on it and it was comfy,
with a nice bench seat.

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