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Motorcycle Forum / General / Sportbikes / September 2005Keeping body & bike well for a trackday!(long)
This is some weird chit here.. J Everybody tries to sign up for a trackday as soon as it is possible for them. The reasons are, getting a spot cause sometimes they fill up soon, and a lot of times, it is cheaper if you sign up early. Now here comes the dilemmaJ. The bike and the rider have to stay okay or they will blow that trackday. And that can't happen to a track-junkie! :)That is how I see it. JThis is what happened to me on Thursday Sept 22nd. I am already signed up for a trackday at Summit Point on Sept 26th. On Thursday, because gas is so high, I ride my 12 speed bike to work a couple days a week. I bike about 4 miles to the subway, and then a mile to work. At the subway station where I get off, they have 6 flights of steep stairs. Okay, I shoulder my 12 speed (23 lbs) and proceed to not walk, but run up the 6 flights of stairs. No problem.. However, when I got to work, my right knee is talking to me big time. Now, I am phucked. My knee is big as a ballon and I am booked to do a trackday in a couple days. The docs had already told me to take it easy on the knee, because of my running past, and they have drained it a couple times too. No time for a doctor. You people have made me a track addict.:) I do some force rehab. I ice the knee Thursday evening. Limp to work on Friday.Ice some more on Friday. I get some movement. J I just had a brand new set of Pilot Powers street tires put on the RC51..Okay, time to scrub them in. Get on the RC, left turns are okay, trouble with the right turns. Okay, Saturday morning I am into a heating pad, and off to the gym for an hour in the whirlpool. Result more movement, but the swelling is still there. Okay, ride some more. Got about 50 miles on the pilots, time go to the edges. I hit a left hand exit and take the RC all the way down.. All good. Try the same thing on the right, and can't get the ball of my right foot on the peg. I need a little more movement.. Dammit.. Okay, I am still going to the track, and if the right knee doesn't allow me to take make a right turn to the max of my ability, then I will bang the left turns and coast through the right ones!! J By the way, I was leary of doing anything to the bike or myself because of thought of blowing the trackday. Sorry for the long story, just had to vent this crap. J BTW, don't laugh at this chit either..:) You all know I am not dealing with a full deck! J http://mysite.verizon.net/cehowardrc51/trl9.jpg ceh 2001 GSX R1000 2003 RC51 (64 old,dirty,fast) > Sorry for the long story, just had to vent this crap. J > > BTW, don't laugh at this chit either..:) You all know I am not dealing > with a full deck! J Yeah...well....go get some decent tires already.....most of the rest of us have already managed to smash up bikes on street tires, you figure its necessary to add another to the list? Or should I say, in your case, crash some MORE on street tires? >> Sorry for the long story, just had to vent this crap. J >> [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > necessary to add another to the list? Or should I say, in your case, crash > some MORE on street tires? You always come with the dead, sharp, and right-on advice..(thumbup)...I hear you loud and clear, and I am moving in that direction very quickly.. ceh 2001 GSX R1000 2003 RC51 (64 old,dirty,fast) >>> Sorry for the long story, just had to vent this crap. J >>> [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > You always come with the dead, sharp, and right-on advice..(thumbup)...I > hear you loud and clear, and I am moving in that direction very quickly.. Quickly? QUICKLY! Its been all summer, and you are STILL slapping on street rubber? You can afford other nice gear and custom trailers and stuff and you are still skimping on TIRES?! Come on Coleman, surely you've learned enough this summer to go fast enough to need better rubber? >>>> Sorry for the long story, just had to vent this crap. J >>>> [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > stuff and you are still skimping on TIRES?! Come on Coleman, surely you've > learned enough this summer to go fast enough to need better rubber? Coleman's Pilot Powers are rated for track use and are a good tire even though they are not "Pilot Race" . Have *you* used Pilot Powers on track? >>> You always come with the dead, sharp, and right-on advice..(thumbup)...I >>> hear you loud and clear, and I am moving in that direction very [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > Coleman's Pilot Powers are rated for track use and are a good tire even > though they are not "Pilot Race" . Have *you* used Pilot Powers on track? Sporttechs were rated for track use. Yeech. The original Pilot sport was claimed to have some trackiness to it. Yeech. The H2 series is claimed as an occasional trackday tire, and I know people who have used it to race on, and I'll sell you mine CHEAP. Now they claim the same thing about the Power street tire? Okay....I even know a guy who has used them at the track and thought quite highly of them....but until I see people racing and using them regularly instead of the Power Race tire? You will forgive my skepticism please. If only because the LAST 3 times I've used tires claimed as track worthy, they weren't. So being skeptical comes easy. Unlike the other 3 tires though, I've actually gone out and soliticed opinions on the Powers, and they are receiving a better rep than the last tires which claimed street and track behavior. But I haven't matched that reputation with lap times, or what ham fisted fat bastards can get away. >>>>You always come with the dead, sharp, and right-on advice..(thumbup)...I >>>>hear you loud and clear, and I am moving in that direction very [quoted text clipped - 25 lines] > track behavior. But I haven't matched that reputation with lap times, or > what ham fisted fat bastards can get away. I putting the Supercorsa's on this week, or monday morning before the 1st session.  SignatureAndrew 00 Daytona 00 Speed Triple 71 Kawi H1 > I putting the Supercorsa's on this week, or monday morning before the > 1st session. SuperCorsa's are real tires, and last a long time. Mine are only now going away, a year after I installed them and hundreds of track miles. >> I putting the Supercorsa's on this week, or monday morning before the >> 1st session. > >SuperCorsa's are real tires, and last a long time. Mine are only now going >away, a year after I installed them and hundreds of track miles. That's a function of how hard they're pushed, natch. I get three days from a set, at most. This will be my third and last day on the current set, though as I recall that included two rain days which hardly counted. So that will be five track days on Supercorsas. That's pushing it. Gotta be careful and avoid the false economy of taking those track tires just a little too far, just "one more day." '----------------------------------------------------- ' Daniel Bannon ' NW WA State, U.S.A. ' 2003 ZX636B Hercusaki, 1999 CBR1100XX '----------------------------------------------------- >>> I putting the Supercorsa's on this week, or monday morning before the >>> 1st session. [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > Gotta be careful and avoid the false economy of taking those track > tires just a little too far, just "one more day." Mine are now beyond that point. But I usually run half days, call it 40-60 miles at a pop, and less than half of their total time have been at much of a real pace. I tend to agree with you, two or three serious runs, full day, at a nice higher speed track, and while they will continue to work, they don't work as well. But they still work better than street tires. >>>>>Sorry for the long story, just had to vent this crap. J >>>>> [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] > Coleman's Pilot Powers are rated for track use and are a good tire even > though they are not "Pilot Race" . Have *you* used Pilot Powers on track? Are you kidding? Of course he needs the "W" rated "Race" model. Everyone knows that a 650 carrying a quarter ton needs at least a 170 mph tire, c'mon man. >> Coleman's Pilot Powers are rated for track use and are a good tire even >> though they are not "Pilot Race" . Have *you* used Pilot Powers on track? > > Are you kidding? Of course he needs the "W" rated "Race" model. Everyone > knows that a 650 carrying a quarter ton needs at least a 170 mph tire, > c'mon man. Spoken like someone who HAS used Powers and came back and told us all about how squirrelly they were for awhile. That doesn't sound like the race tires I'd give 2 laps at Road Atlanta on a damp track and be done worrying about them for the rest of the day. >>>>>>Sorry for the long story, just had to vent this crap. J >>>>>> [quoted text clipped - 22 lines] > knows that a 650 carrying a quarter ton needs at least a 170 mph tire, > c'mon man. LOL >> Coleman's Pilot Powers are rated for track use and are a good tire even >> though they are not "Pilot Race" . Have *you* used Pilot Powers on track? > > Are you kidding? Of course he needs the "W" rated "Race" model. Everyone > knows that a 650 carrying a quarter ton needs at least a 170 mph tire, > c'mon man. These tires were right up there with my skill level, and more if I had it.. BTW, I got away with the knee too. The knee was still swollen this morning for the first session. And after a few warm up laps, and was into the left hand turns nicely, but couldn't get on the balls of my feet for the right handers. However, by the 3rd session, I had willed the knee usable, and was banging right hand turns good. I was concentrating on my body position, and hitting the turn in points. That took my mind off the pain, and allow me to bend the knee.:) I am going to pass on the W rated race tire..I will leave that tire for Troy..:) ceh 2001 GSX R1000 2003 RC51 (64 old,dirty,fast) Yep... They are good, but they still have that Michie street tyre trait of letting go without warning. I could get to within about 5 seconds of the lap record on Powers (its a shortish track)... Slapped some new Power Races on, med/soft dual compounds each end and knocked a second off that right away...front felt much more stable especially and the Race's will tell you when they are about to go > Yep... > [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > knocked a second off that right away...front felt much more stable > especially and the Race's will tell you when they are about to go RACE TIRES RULE! And for a reason. > Coleman's Pilot Powers are rated for track use and are a good tire even > though they are not "Pilot Race" . Have *you* used Pilot Powers on track? I used the Pilot Powers today on the track, and after some slippery moments (they only had 60 miles of street-scrub-in on them), and they got hot, they stuck like glue(for my skill level). I like them a lot since I do ride the RC51 on the street a lot. Although Troy is hard with his delivery style, he is correct. :) ceh 2001 GSX R1000 2003 RC51 (64 old,dirty,fast) >> Coleman's Pilot Powers are rated for track use and are a good tire even >> though they are not "Pilot Race" . Have *you* used Pilot Powers on track? [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > do ride the RC51 on the street a lot. Although Troy is hard with his > delivery style, he is correct. :) You and Saddle, 60 miles to street scrub them in during which you have slippery moments? I wonder why in the hell race tires don't do this particular little stunt? > You and Saddle, 60 miles to street scrub them in during which you have > slippery moments? I wonder why in the hell race tires don't do this > particular little stunt? Yeah, Me & Saddle!!! You have more track-savvy then we do, be we got you beat on wisdom!! Heh, heh.. BTW, what would race tires have done...Zero scrub in time??? Here is a pic of my pilot power rear after the 3rd session. http://mysite.verizon.net/cehowardrc51/sept26two.jpg ceh 2001 GSX R1000 2003 RC51 (64 old,dirty,fast) >>You and Saddle, 60 miles to street scrub them in during which you have >>slippery moments? I wonder why in the hell race tires don't do this [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > 2003 RC51 > (64 old,dirty,fast) I think what Troy is trying to say is all you need on new tires is a few laps to get them all nice and sticky. My past two sets of brand new tires have been 2 laps then go for it. SignatureAndrew 00 Daytona 00 Speed Triple 71 Kawi H1 >> You and Saddle, 60 miles to street scrub them in during which you have >> slippery moments? I wonder why in the hell race tires don't do this >> particular little stunt? > > Yeah, Me & Saddle!!! You have more track-savvy then we do, be we got you > beat on wisdom!! Heh, heh.. Hey, you found those Powers before I did, and you ain't the only ones saying good things about them. > BTW, what would race tires have done...Zero scrub in time??? Turn 1, Road Atlanta on a damp track at full speed is my most interesting example. Zero scrub in prior to the first lap. No squirm, no wiggle, those were older Metzlers even. Nowadays, its one or one and a half laps and its off to the games.....on race tires. Street tires, to date I can get those to squirm anytime. I'll try the Powers. > Here is a pic of my pilot power rear after the 3rd session. > > http://mysite.verizon.net/cehowardrc51/sept26two.jpg Interesting that they aren't spalling much. "Troy the Troll" <f4boy@comcast.net> wrote in message >> >> You always come with the dead, sharp, and right-on advice..(thumbup)...I >> hear you loud and clear, and I am moving in that direction very quickly.. [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > stuff and you are still skimping on TIRES?! Come on Coleman, surely you've > learned enough this summer to go fast enough to need better rubber? Ha, ha, Troy, you don't give me any slack do ya!! :). I am please to tell you that I agree with you 10000%. Now, how about that.. Also, I would like to report, I am getting faster, much faster! :) The point of the matter is, the bike I am using is not a DEDICATED STREET BIKE!! You got that!! Sure, I take the RC to the track over the Gixxer, but I still ride the RC a lot on the street. I got 42,000 miles on the RC51.. Like I said before, I am working on getting some better rubber, in a little while my skill level will demand that. And by that time I will have a dedicated street bike whereas, I can put high price sticky rubber on it, and don't even think about putting it on the street.. The track day went nice, real good. I was not only passing in the straights I was passing on the outside of turns. Confidence level is high, but not cocky. Still got a long ways to go.. Don't give up on me.. :) ceh 2001 GSX R1000 2003 RC51 (64 old,dirty,fast) > Also, I would like to report, I am getting faster, much faster! :) The > point of the matter is, the bike I am using is not a DEDICATED STREET > BIKE!! Oh goodness say it ain't so! And this means what, to YOU, exactly? It appears you attach some significance to this...and I'm not sure why. > You got that!! Sure, I take the RC to the track over the Gixxer, but I > still ride the RC a lot on the street. I got 42,000 miles on the RC51.. [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > > Don't give up on me.. :) I haven't. Just don't crash on street tires anymore and expect much more than a "we told you so" if it happens. Its pretty standard fair around here over the past 2 summers. >> Also, I would like to report, I am getting faster, much faster! :) The >> point of the matter is, the bike I am using is not a DEDICATED STREET [quoted text clipped - 19 lines] > than a "we told you so" if it happens. Its pretty standard fair around > here over the past 2 summers. Dam Troy, I am getting senile fast..:) I made a big typo in this sentence: >> Also, I would like to report, I am getting faster, much faster! :) The >> point of the matter is, the bike I am using is not a DEDICATED STREET >> BIKE!! I meant to say "the bike I am using is NOT A DEDICATED TRACK BIKE" I am trying to staying away from crashing just as much as any track-addicted-nut out there. I see spots where I think I can go faster, but hold back because I know my equipment is not up to par.. You see, I got a little something going on up there.. The season is coming to an end, and everybody is getting the chit together for next year. I will never give up street riding,but come next year, you might be proud of the old man. All of the points you have been trying to drill in my head, most likely I will them covered, moving much better and having more fun.. :) ceh 2001 GSX R1000 2003 RC51 (64 old,dirty,fast) > http://mysite.verizon.net/cehowardrc51/trl9.jpg You crack me up Old Man!! SignatureAndrew oo Daytona 00 Speed Triple 71 Kawi H1 >> http://mysite.verizon.net/cehowardrc51/trl9.jpg > > You crack me up Old Man!! Andrew, time is not on my side! :) I am doing it all now, this very minute..Nothing to save!! (big grin) ceh 2001 GSX R1000 2003 RC51 (64 old,dirty,fast) > http://mysite.verizon.net/cehowardrc51/trl9.jpg You made me laugh Coleman... but get the word motorcycle under "racing" on your trailer... people are going to think wheel chair racing at over sixty... Larry L 94 RC45 #2 Have a wheelie NICE day... Lean & Mean it in every corner of your life... If it wasn't for us the fast lane would rust... V4'S are music to the seat of my pants... 1952 De Havilland Chipmunk... Yank and bank your brains loose... http://members.ebay.com/aboutme/-xlax-/ http://home.comcast.net/~netters2/ http://www.fox302.com/index.pl?s=vg&user=netters2 http://www.reeky.org/gallery/xlax >> http://mysite.verizon.net/cehowardrc51/trl9.jpg > > You made me laugh Coleman... but get the word motorcycle under "racing" on > your trailer... people are going to think wheel chair racing at over > sixty... I got a couple Honda RC51 labels which will go on the rear, and there is going to be one of my pictures on the sides.. Oh boy!! :) Sheesh, I ain't never going to grow up..;) ceh 2001 GSX R1000 2003 RC51 (64 old,dirty,fast) > http://mysite.verizon.net/cehowardrc51/trl9.jpg Coleman, I want to be just like you when I grow up. Watch the knee man, know when to call it quits for the day so you don't really screw it up. I hope to see you out there next year on the track. I need to get a few more things squared away with the house, and then should be able to start hitting the track on a regular basis. I need to decide if I should buy another bike for commuting, and leave the RC51 just for the track, or buy another set of wheels for the RC51 so I can keep track tires on the spare, and street tires on the OEM rims. - Kurt >> http://mysite.verizon.net/cehowardrc51/trl9.jpg > [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > > - Kurt Kurt, I ain't never growing up, sheesh, too much fun feeling young!! :) At the track today, one of the control riders had RC51 fully prepared for the track. All well and good, but I still ride my RC on the street. Another set of rims would make my job a lot easier. I am also thinking about not another bikes, but bikes! :).. Yeah, the old man can't play the waiting game.. :).. I got the idea, just an idea now, and springing for two new Hondas coming this Feb 2006.. The 1000rr, and the 600rr.. The 600 will be my trackie, and the 1000rr will be my street/poser bike! :).. The two I got now are keepers. 50k on the gix, and 42k on the RC.. Nobody, upon nobody would want them. So, they stay with me. The two new bikes are just speculation right now, but I am zeroing in on making it happen. :) ceh 2001 GSX R1000 2003 RC51 (64 old,dirty,fast) |
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