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737driv - 18 Oct 2005 16:10 GMT
http://adcache.cycletrader.com/5/4/9/81114449.htm

lol  This cracked me up.  Like getting that first drop " out of the way" is
a good thing..... and necessary before being "ready to go".   <S>

Dave Pedersen
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M. MacDonald - 18 Oct 2005 16:16 GMT
Takes the fun out of doing it yourself.  Maybe he should add a surcharge to
the value?

Mack
krusty kritter - 18 Oct 2005 19:10 GMT
> http://adcache.cycletrader.com/5/4/9/81114449.htm
>
> lol  This cracked me up.  Like getting that first drop " out of the way" is
> a good thing..... and necessary before being "ready to go".   <S>

Snork! A RUB or an anally retentive type *would* tend to be amused by
such a concept.

A lot of riders get into the "Church of the Immaculately Maintained
Motorcycle"
syndrome early on. It comes from reading motorcycle magazines that show
all the
waxes and polishes and tire sprays and they get the notion that riding
a motorcycle is about having the newest, cleanest motorbike in the
parking lot for all the other RUB's to walk around stiff-legged and do
their Sunday morning motorcycle butt sniffing before heading home to
take The Old Ball and Chain to the mall.

If somebody asked them if they raced their sportbike, the RUB would be
aghast.
"Oh, I don't race, I'm not a *squid*, you know!"

And, we used to see the anally retentive types at the motoX races too.
They'd be the ones *washing* their motorbikes between heats. (Well, it
was a good idea to wash the mud off the fins of an air-cooled engine
between heats, but detailing the bike out in the pits was a bit overly
anal).

And, back in The Day when motorcycle gas tanks were half painted/half
polished aluminum, the anally retentive types would be polishing the
aluminum tank or maybe even be adding some pinstriping.

A BSA factory team rider arrived in the paddock, unloaded his new
motocrosser, and, before the horrified eyes of the anal retentive
types, delivered a swift kick to the virginal aluminum gas tank.

He told the anal retentive guys, "Now I can concentrate on riding fast,
I've got the first dent out of the way!"

The anal types went back to their polishing and detailing and the BSA
factory rider went on to be world champion in the 500cc class.
PC Paul - 18 Oct 2005 20:11 GMT
>>http://adcache.cycletrader.com/5/4/9/81114449.htm
>>
[quoted text clipped - 37 lines]
> The anal types went back to their polishing and detailing and the BSA
> factory rider went on to be world champion in the 500cc class.

HAH, LOL! All of my bikes have a durable, protective coat of grime and
bug guts.

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saddlebag@aol.com - 18 Oct 2005 23:28 GMT
> HAH, LOL! All of my bikes have a durable, protective coat of grime and
> bug guts.

That's because you have no pride.
krusty kritter - 19 Oct 2005 00:57 GMT
> > HAH, LOL! All of my bikes have a durable, protective coat of grime and
> > bug guts.
>
> That's because you have no pride.

Pride goeth before a fall. No motorcycle remains perfect, whether
ridden or not. Rust never sleeps. Your exhaust system is rotting, from
the inside out...

I'm just kidding, Saddle. You don't have to run out and spray rust
preventative into your mufflers!

Anal retentive types become that way during their toilet training
period. They are ashamed of their feces because their parents showed
disgust for what came out of their imperfect little boy. The ART
resolves to never allow any of his imperfections to be seen. He becomes
constipated as a result.

I knew one poor constipated type who owned two pristine BMW K-bikes. He
never rode them though. He was living in fear of that first scratch and
he knew he'd never be able to face the anal retentive community at the
biker hangout if his bike wasn't immaculate and exactly as it had left
the show room floor...

The first thing the ART's would do when somebody rode up on his pride
and joy was run over and inspect it with an anal eye...

One day the most anal of all spotted some chewing gum stuck to my
exhaust pipe.

He said, "How could you allow that to happen to your motorcycle?"

I told him, "Chewing gum happens, man," and started to walk away.

The ART was very concerned. He called after me, "Aren't you going to
*do* something about it before it hardens?"

I kept on walking, I needed to empty my bowels in the natural way...
PC Paul - 19 Oct 2005 15:01 GMT
>>>HAH, LOL! All of my bikes have a durable, protective coat of grime and
>>>bug guts.
[quoted text clipped - 34 lines]
>
> I kept on walking, I needed to empty my bowels in the natural way...

Just so you know, I AM a REGULAR kind of guy...

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krusty kritter - 19 Oct 2005 17:18 GMT
> > Anal retentive types become that way during their toilet training
> > period. They are ashamed of their feces because their parents showed
> > disgust for what came out of their imperfect little boy. The ART
> > resolves to never allow any of his imperfections to be seen. He becomes
> > constipated as a result.

> Just so you know, I AM a REGULAR kind of guy...

I wonder if there ever was such a thing as a constipated artist.
Probably not. My theory is that creativity and constipation are
mutually exclusive conditions of the psyche. Siggy Freud would have
probably agreed...

If you can sh.t easily, you can set your spirit free just as easily...

There really should be a 12-Step Program for constipated people. Anal
Retentives Anonymous, who believe that their Higher Power really wants
them to crap Big Time. They can all meet in The Executive Men's Room
and discuss what was the longest time they ever went between BM's and
they can munch on Ex-Lax chocolates and drink brown bombers until the
urge becomes overpowering and they can get release from their burdens.
In fact, the overpowering urge will become so great there won't be
enough commodes to handle all the ARA's, and they'll have to let their
pants down and Just Do It.

(Some won't succeed at first, they'll just fill their pants and grind
their teeth and groan and won't dare look anybody else in the eye
because of their parentally-imposed feelings of guilt and shame.)

But the ones who Evolve Spiritually by "Getting 'Er Done" in front of
their peers, will be so psychically liberated, they will never be
uptight again! They will return to society as Useful, Creative People!

Creativity was once greatly respected amongst the Universal Brotherhood
of All Bikers. Now, with the uptight yuppies and the RUB's marching in
step to the anthem of "I Thank Gawd My Bike is Clean", the only
creative people left seem to be the guys building choppers.

I'm going to build a Grunge Harley just as soon as I can figure out
some creatively revolting surface finishes that will annoy the "If It
Won't Go Fast, Chrome It" bunch. Blacked-out bikes have been done to
death, primered machines ditto. People have done faux bare metal, one
woman did a totally rusty Harley by stripping all the paint off and
running a garden hose on the bike until everything rusted, but she got
rust inside the gas tank too and it Hardly Runs.

Maybe I can build a Plastic Chicken sh.t Grunge Harley. That would be
very do-able, it should offend everybody. I'll have to start with an
old 1937 Knuckle head that looks like it's sat in a chicken coop for
sixty years.

I'll just squirt globs of white and black and purple RTV on top of
whatever paint exists and stick some straw and chicken feathers into
the RTV here and there. What an artistic statement that would be!

I once built my own sport touring bike by adding a quarter fairing and
a set of hard bags to a UJM that I already owned. There were lots of
miles left in the UJM and I owned the parts, so why not bolt everything
together and enjoy my sport tour up the coast?

I met an ST1100 rider at Laguna Seca and he cattily remarked, "That's
sure an eclectic mass of parts you have there."

I hope he grunted and struggled on the pot until he found spiritual
release in a sudden rush...

I passed the same ST1100 rider on the southbound leg of my trip. He was
anally maintaining the National Speed Limit as I set my spirit free and
cranked the loud handle...

A little ways down the road, I stopped at a restaurant and took a dump.
Then I added bio-mass to the system to get ready for the next
Earthshaking Anal Event.

Eat your heart out, Piddy, wherever you may be!
PC Paul - 19 Oct 2005 17:42 GMT
>>>Anal retentive types become that way during their toilet training
>>>period. They are ashamed of their feces because their parents showed
[quoted text clipped - 71 lines]
>
> Eat your heart out, Piddy, wherever you may be!

Gawd, pure poety.
:-)

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PC Paul - 19 Oct 2005 14:58 GMT
>> HAH, LOL! All of my bikes have a durable, protective coat of grime and
>> bug guts.
>
> That's because you have no pride.

I'm not here to impress you, I've got all the pride I need. Besides,
when I want to visit some part of the country, I RIDE there. The ride is
the object, the destination is just an excuse.

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saddlebag@aol.com - 20 Oct 2005 00:25 GMT
>>> HAH, LOL! All of my bikes have a durable, protective coat of grime
>>> and bug guts.
>>
>> That's because you have no pride.
>
> I'm not here to impress you

Well you're doing a fine job. Besides, I was just returning your jab at
me (using your own words) from a couple days ago.
PC Paul - 20 Oct 2005 15:03 GMT
>>>> HAH, LOL! All of my bikes have a durable, protective coat of grime
>>>> and bug guts.
[quoted text clipped - 5 lines]
> Well you're doing a fine job. Besides, I was just returning your jab at
> me (using your own words) from a couple days ago.

That's taking things a little out of context, a not uncommon thing here,
I was referring to pride in one's life and actions. Not vain pride in
the appearance of a vehicle, a bit of "bling-bling". The former is
admirable, the latter ridiculous.

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krusty kritter - 20 Oct 2005 15:27 GMT
> That's taking things a little out of context, a not uncommon thing here,
> I was referring to pride in one's life and actions. Not vain pride in
> the appearance of a vehicle, a bit of "bling-bling". The former is
> admirable, the latter ridiculous.

ART's do tend to take their fixations seriously.

The old adage, "Pride goeth before a fall", seems to terrify the ART's
who polish the daylights out of their treasured motorbike, and then
they must go out and risk crashing it on Sunday as they ride their
local "racer road" to and from some classic watering hole.

If they crash, they have to start over, reconstructing their pride and
shining up the old bike, if it's repairable at all, or get a new
machine to polish and treasure and risk wrecking.

If they want to get to the parking lot where everybody walks around
stiff-legged and sniffs motorcycle butt every Sunday, they ride slowly
and carefully.

One guy, who has invested 30 years of his life worshipping a 1969 Honda
(it has a full race Suzuki engine in it with a NOS system) often told
me, "I ride like a little old lady, my tach never went over 4000 RPM
riding up here."

He and his friends were the type who would turn around and go home
before they would ride their immaculate machines through a puddle of
water.

The Honda worshipper was hit by another motorcycle while he was on a
chairty run. He was unconscious, in a coma, and woke up with one less
leg. But he was absolutely *devastated* by the fact that his beloved
Honda was destroyed in the crash.

His friends in the motorcycle speed shop business told him, "We can
build you anything you want, *anything*. He said, "I want my Honda,
just like it was." The Honda was resurrected. His pride demanded it.

One guy who was racing with the American Federation of Motorcyclists
back in
1969, told me, "I don't have a lot of time for cosmetic details. I've
wadded up ten motorcycles and thrown them away and I always moved on to
something faster." His machines were always for "go" not for "show".
Mike Nelson - 21 Oct 2005 15:58 GMT
> One guy, who has invested 30 years of his life worshipping a 1969 Honda

We know a guy like that who's ga-ga about his old RC45.
Anal-retentive?  Possibly.  He uses '-xlax-' in his sig.
Jamin Kortegard - 20 Oct 2005 20:16 GMT
> That's taking things a little out of context, a not uncommon thing here,
> I was referring to pride in one's life and actions. Not vain pride in
> the appearance of a vehicle, a bit of "bling-bling". The former is
> admirable, the latter ridiculous.

So pride in oneself is OK, but pride in one's possessions is not? What if
I'm proud of having restored Mario Andretti's old dirt track racer?
Certainly I'd be proud of the car itself. What if I was proud of that car
but didn't car one bit what anyone else thought? Would that be vain pride?

(for the record, I'd have left the small block Chevy in there)

It seems to me you're talking about vanity as a negative and pride as a
positive. Certainly there can be a large overlap, but I don't think there's
anything wrong with taking pride in a well-maintained vehicle (or yard, or
house, etc). Here's something interesting I found online about the word
"pride":

*****
If you take pride in yourself or your accomplishments, it means that you
believe in your own worth, merit, or superiority -- whether or not that
belief is justified.

When your opinion of yourself is exaggerated, you're showing conceit, a word
that combines pride with self-obsession.

If you like to be noticed and admired for your appearance or achievements,
you're revealing your vanity, and if you show off or boast about your
accomplishments, you're likely to be accused of vainglory, a somewhat
literary term for a self-important display of power, skill, or influence.

Arrogance is an overbearing pride combined with disdain for others, while
egotism implies self-centeredness or an excessive preoccupation with
yourself.

While no one wants to be accused or arrogance or egotism, there's a lot to
be said for self-esteem, which may suggest undue pride but is more often
used to describe a healthy belief in oneself and respect for one's worth as
a person.
******

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PC Paul - 20 Oct 2005 21:45 GMT
>>That's taking things a little out of context, a not uncommon thing here,
>>I was referring to pride in one's life and actions. Not vain pride in
[quoted text clipped - 36 lines]
> a person.
> ******

IMHO pride in an object that was "aquired" is of less integral worth
than pride in something you have done or achieved by your own efforts.
IOW having a shiny bike (bling-bling) is less important than what you do
with it. Also, to remember the context of the original post, Bags was
trying to equate my pride in having honorably served my country with
pride in haveing a clean machine.

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Jamin Kortegard - 21 Oct 2005 00:03 GMT
> IMHO pride in an object that was "aquired" is of less integral worth
> than pride in something you have done or achieved by your own efforts.

I see what you're saying. Makes sense.

> IOW having a shiny bike (bling-bling) is less important than what you do
> with it. Also, to remember the context of the original post, Bags was
> trying to equate my pride in having honorably served my country with
> pride in haveing a clean machine.

Now let's not get carried away. Remembering the original post's context?
What's next, staying on topic?

:)

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PC Paul - 21 Oct 2005 14:28 GMT
>>IMHO pride in an object that was "aquired" is of less integral worth
>>than pride in something you have done or achieved by your own efforts.
[quoted text clipped - 10 lines]
>
> :)

Hey! I may be a right-wing wacko, but even I wouldn't go that far! Gawd,
how boring would that be?

:-P

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saddlebag@aol.com - 21 Oct 2005 00:55 GMT
>>> That's taking things a little out of context, a not uncommon thing here,
>>> I was referring to pride in one's life and actions. Not vain pride in
[quoted text clipped - 46 lines]
> IMHO pride in an object that was "aquired" is of less integral worth
> than pride in something you have done or achieved by your own efforts.

How the hell do you buy a $50k chopper if you aren't doing something right?

> IOW having a shiny bike (bling-bling) is less important than what you do
> with it. Also, to remember the context of the original post, Bags was
> trying to equate my pride in having honorably served my country with
> pride in haveing a clean machine.

No, you were comparing remembering some job number with taking pride in
one's work.

But more to the point, who doesn't "serve their country honorably?" Is
the guy at Delphi who is about to lose his job creating widgets that in
part create our country's wealth serving his country less honorably than
a gov't guy living off the fruit of the Delphi guy's labor?

Catch phrases are groovy and all, I just don't put a lot of stock in them.
saddlebag@aol.com - 21 Oct 2005 00:44 GMT
>>That's taking things a little out of context, a not uncommon thing here,
>>I was referring to pride in one's life and actions. Not vain pride in
[quoted text clipped - 35 lines]
> used to describe a healthy belief in oneself and respect for one's worth as
> a person.

Yeah, what he said! Nothing about memorizing some silly number in there
either.

Besides, truth be told I didn't really want to go into the field I got
stuck in anyway. I signed up for electronics, but some guy in bootcamp
pissed me off by f.cking up my bed so I beat him senseless (this was how
things were handled where I grew up). Suprising to me, the AF didn't do
business the way I was used to and I had to spend an extra couple of
weeks in boot camp and was too late to attend electronics school. I was
given the option of taking a breach of contract or picking another field
that had a school opening that coincided with the end of boot camp.
Thus, I wore the white suit which I ironed pridefully day in and day
out. Thank heavens for modern day wrinkle resistant fabrics...
_Bob_Nixon - 21 Oct 2005 03:15 GMT
[...]

>> While no one wants to be accused or arrogance or egotism, there's a lot to
>> be said for self-esteem, which may suggest undue pride but is more often
[quoted text clipped - 14 lines]
>Thus, I wore the white suit which I ironed pridefully day in and day
>out. Thank heavens for modern day wrinkle resistant fabrics...

So that's what happened? No wonder you're so pissed about your USAF
career. I actually X-trained to electronics (328X1) two years in but
had to serve 8 years total + VRB (variable reenlistment bonus; tax
free 4X base pay inside Viet Nam) +P2 pro pay.

Later, at the start of my 1st Silicon Valley job out of the USAF, I
actually had to take a pay cut on my gross. It didn't last long though
as the AF was downsizing after the VN war & Silicon Valley was on an
upswing. I didn't even have to move far as I was discharged at the now
defunct Hamilton AFB (Novato CA in the North Bay) from an Air rescue
squadron. Easy money by then and even worked over in Concord,
evenings, at an airport installing small AC avionics and getting paid
under the table on a program called "project transition". I gave that
job the slip as soon as I got out, as they were not going to pay
Silicon Valley wages. Yeah, I know TMI -:)

Bob Nixon, Chandler AZ
01 Sprint ST "RED" 50K miles
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saddlebag@aol.com - 21 Oct 2005 03:50 GMT
> [...]
>
[quoted text clipped - 19 lines]
> So that's what happened? No wonder you're so pissed about your USAF
> career.

Who the hell said I'z pissed? Hell, if not for the medical gig thing I'd
surely have never met my wife.

> I actually X-trained to electronics (328X1) two years in but
> had to serve 8 years total + VRB (variable reenlistment bonus; tax
> free 4X base pay inside Viet Nam) +P2 pro pay.

Keesler?
_Bob_Nixon - 21 Oct 2005 04:12 GMT
>> [...]
>>
[quoted text clipped - 22 lines]
>Who the hell said I'z pissed? Hell, if not for the medical gig thing I'd
>surely have never met my wife.

Good for you -:)

>> I actually X-trained to electronics (328X1) two years in but
>> had to serve 8 years total + VRB (variable reenlistment bonus; tax
>> free 4X base pay inside Viet Nam) +P2 pro pay.
>
>Keesler?
^^^^^^

Yup and I only missed Hurricane Camille (cat-5 in 1969) by one year.
The gulf coast in August is the only place I've ever lived that felt
hotter than our 120+ Az summer temps. And the pipes nearly froze in
the winter.

See camille devastation link below.
http://sciencepolicy.colorado.edu/about_us/meet_us/roger_pielke/camille/index.html

Bob Nixon, Chandler AZ
01 Sprint ST "RED" 50K miles
http://bigrex.net/pictures
saddlebag@aol.com - 21 Oct 2005 00:30 GMT
> That's taking things a little out of context, a not uncommon thing here,
> I was referring to pride in one's life and actions. Not vain pride in
> the appearance of a vehicle, a bit of "bling-bling".

It's the same thing. How is shining your Army boots any different than
shining your bike?

> The former is
> admirable, the latter ridiculous.

Maybe to you, but certainly not to the cats at Orange County Choppers.
PC Paul - 21 Oct 2005 14:33 GMT
>> That's taking things a little out of context, a not uncommon thing
>> here, I was referring to pride in one's life and actions. Not vain
[quoted text clipped - 6 lines]
>
> Maybe to you, but certainly not to the cats at Orange County Choppers.

Well that makes sense, It's MY opinion, not theirs!
At least I DO know how to spit-polish my boots and wear double starched
fatigues!
:-)

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Stephan Rose - 20 Oct 2005 10:26 GMT
>> http://adcache.cycletrader.com/5/4/9/81114449.htm
>>
[quoted text clipped - 37 lines]
>The anal types went back to their polishing and detailing and the BSA
>factory rider went on to be world champion in the 500cc class.

Yep I agree with that. That was one thing I actually loved about my
R6. The body on that bike was so damn torn up and half held on by zip
ties, that I didnt care about scratches, or dings, or dirt, or
whatever. I could concentrate on what matters, the riding.

Quite the opposite with the bike I had rented here, I had to watch so
closely to make sure nothing would happen to this bike as it didnt
even have the tiniest scratch on it, that it took half the fun out of
riding since I always had that thought in the back of my mind.

--
Stephan
2001 Yamaha YZF-R6 <--- Stolen
krusty kritter - 20 Oct 2005 15:00 GMT
> Yep I agree with that. That was one thing I actually loved about my
> R6. The body on that bike was so damn torn up and half held on by zip
[quoted text clipped - 5 lines]
> even have the tiniest scratch on it, that it took half the fun out of
> riding since I always had that thought in the back of my mind.

The anal retentive RUB's and yuppies that "do" track days are usually
"wannabe's". They wannabe a racetrack hero...

They read all the motomags and they see the bright and shiny latest
greatest and they dream of acquiring such a machine and keeping it in a
plastic bag.

Wannabes are into dressup, too. They probably snuck into their older
sister's room and tried on her underwear when she was away at college.

Going to Laguna Seca in the 1970's was a pilgrimage for anal
retentives. They would all gather in Hollywood and they would ride
their pristine Ducatis and Moto Guzzis and Nortons up the Pacific Coast
Highway to Laguna Seca and then they would get down on their knees and
genuflect before the two-wheeled gawds on display in the manufacturers'
pavilions.

They felt that they truly were the Faithful and that they had entered
the Shrine of the Immaculately-Maintained Motorcycle...

RUB's and anally retentive yuppies would go to the races at Laguna Seca
and they'd see Kenny Roberts kicking a.s on all the other riders and
they'd come away from the races with a further image to strive to
achieve.

They resolved to buy the Kenny Roberts signature edition of the Yamaha
2-stroke and keep it in a giant baggy in their
environmentally-controlled garage, or if they couldn't afford to buy a
KR Replica, they would paint their older machine with the same graphics
and fantasize that they had *something* wonderful.

The anal types were absolutely horrified when KR, a Yamaha dealer, took
several of his KR Replicas to Hawaii so he and his racer friends would
have something to ride.

KR and his racing buddies were wild and crazy guys. When they were in
Europe, racing, they would be racing for the victory. Off the track,
they would party hearty. One night they drove a rent-a-car into a
canal.

When KR and friends got to Hawaii, they decided to see how far a Yamaha
would fly! This absolutely *horrified* the anal retentive types. KR and
friends jumped
a few KR Replicas into the Pacific Ocean! This provoked shock and awe
and disgust and loathing amongst the anal retentive types. They cried
out in anguish,
"Kenny Roberts is a *squid*! The horror, the horror!"

Those riders fortunate enough to be invited to KR's Hickham Haul-a.s
Ranch, where would-be GP riders learned to slide their rear tire dirt
track style, noticed that there were motorbikes in every state of
repair and disrepair scattered all over the ranch. KR would fix a
broken motorbike if he could, but, if he had something else to do, the
broken bike would be left to rust.

That sort of thing would just freak out anally retentive types.

Another story is about the guy who found Mario Andretti's first dirt
track car in a chicken coop, rotting where it had been left for
decades. He lovingly restored it, even found an original-type
Offenhauser engine to replace the blasphemous small block Chevy that
shouldn't be allowed to exist in Mario's old car.

Then the guy contacted Mario and talked Mario into driving the
immaculately restored machine. Mario was amused. He said that he had
forgotten all about the car he drove to his first championship. Pro
racers drive a car to its limits or a bit beyond. They use it up and
walk away from it and get into another sponsored car and drive the piss
out of it.

But the guy that restored Mario Andretti's old dirt track car probably
goes out to the garage and locks himself in and looks at the perfectly
restored car and w.nks off to the thought, "I have Mario's car, it's
*mine*, all *mine*!"
Bob Myers - 21 Oct 2005 19:47 GMT
> > http://adcache.cycletrader.com/5/4/9/81114449.htm
> >
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
> Snork! A RUB or an anally retentive type *would* tend to be amused by
> such a concept.

So let me make sure I have this straight - you're arguing that
a bike having "already been dropped" IS something that
should be featured in an ad?

Wow.  Learn sumthin' every day, I guess...

Bob M.
krusty kritter - 21 Oct 2005 20:32 GMT
> "krusty kritter" <kriyamanna@aol.com> wrote in message

> > Snork! A RUB or an anally retentive type *would* tend to be amused by
> > such a concept.
[quoted text clipped - 4 lines]
>
> Wow.  Learn sumthin' every day, I guess...

Some people buy scratched or dinged motorbikes, some people buy
motorbikes that have been crashed. If my bike had been crashed, I would
include that fact in the advertisement, and I wouldn't have to deal
with anally retentive sissies coming around my house, wasting my time
pointing out every little nick or scratch and trying to jew me down on
the price. An out-of-production motorbike is worth somewhere between
KBB wholesale and dealer retail or maybe *more* than retail, if it's
rare.

If the anal retentive types *like* to be screwed in the a.s, let them
go to a $tealer$hip and get a royal reaming on a "clean" used bike.
Then they can take it home and clean it some more.

I know a guy who wanted a Yoshimura Big Papa GXSR 1100 or a Dutchman
Racing YZ750 with an FZR-1000 engine in it. He didn't want to build his
own BP or DR.

He scoured the road racing newspapers until he found a crashed Dutchman
and had it shipped to him. He bought a dented scratched up gas tank to
replace the missing tank and he bought mismatched plastic side covers
from the wrong year YZF and he just doesn't give a sh.t what people
say. He is not anally retentive when it comes to motorbikes.

His DR is a sleeper. Nobody expects a ratbike to go that fast in a drag
race.
He won't even admit it's a DR. I can tell by looking at the upper motor
mounts
that it's an FZR motor in a YZF frame.

You see, the leaders of the motorbike perfomance world are the Dirty
Handed Da Vincis that figure out the hot setup is sticking a big motor
in a light frame.
The Japanese factories are copying the DHDV's and the ART's are buying
the spinoffs and declaring them to be bright and shiny and clean and
perfect and flawless, which is exactly the perfect an ART demands.

Anally retentive types are a plague upon the motorbike performance
community.

The infestation of ART's and IT professionals has become so pernicious,
the joy of motorcycling is in danger. You cannot have spontaneous fun
with an ART, he's afraid of getting his precious motorbike dirty, or
worse, scratched.

Then the ART's will look scornfully down their long noses and shake
their heads sadly, thinking, "There's another rider who's not up to our
standards."

The ART's have to do their ride and rush home to blog a ride report on
the web, complete with GPS coordinates and a highlighted MapQuest image
of their
pitiful ride over backroads which a real biker might have explored
decades before and realized that those roads were deserted, that there
was no reason to patrol them any more.

To the ART, the motorbike is a conversation piece. It's all "Hey, look
at me! I own this, and it's *perfect*!"

Yeah, well, they can pick their friends, and they can pick their noses,
but they can't pick their friends' noses.

Well, maybe they get together and probe each other's nose privately,
consenting adults, yannow...
_Bob_Nixon - 21 Oct 2005 21:05 GMT
[...]

>Then the ART's will look scornfully down their long noses and shake
>their heads sadly, thinking, "There's another rider who's not up to our
[quoted text clipped - 15 lines]
>Well, maybe they get together and probe each other's nose privately,
>consenting adults, yannow...

Why are you always so judgmental of others and categorize people in
rider's boxes? Not only that but I find your writing often bigoted;
using terms as flips and talking down about anyone of Hispanic decent.

Frankly for such a self-proclaimed genius you really talk down about
others more than the PhD's I've been associated with, who actually
tend to be more humble as they further their degree stature. Do us a
favor and stop talking about "they" in third person so much and
instead focus on your nice bird or other 1st person stories.

Signed: concerned you do come across as a loon.

Bob Nixon, Chandler AZ
01 Sprint ST "RED" 50K miles
http://bigrex.net/pictures
PC Paul - 21 Oct 2005 22:00 GMT
> [...]
>
[quoted text clipped - 33 lines]
> 01 Sprint ST "RED" 50K miles
> http://bigrex.net/pictures

Bob! Quit taking the "Nice Pills"!
;-)

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saddlebag@aol.com - 21 Oct 2005 23:41 GMT
> Why are you always so judgmental of others and categorize people in
> rider's boxes? Not only that but I find your writing often bigoted;
[quoted text clipped - 7 lines]
>
> Signed: concerned you do come across as a loon.

A loon? Nah, just a typical republican.
Mike - 21 Oct 2005 23:50 GMT
>> Why are you always so judgmental of others and categorize people in
>> rider's boxes? Not only that but I find your writing often bigoted;
[quoted text clipped - 9 lines]
>
>A loon? Nah, just a typical republican.

Indeed. The loons reside on the left.:-)

Regards

Mike

Buy American!
Boycott Chinese goods!
Close the borders!
krusty kritter - 22 Oct 2005 02:57 GMT
> Why are you always so judgmental of others and categorize people in
> rider's boxes? Not only that but I find your writing often bigoted;
> using terms as flips and talking down about anyone of Hispanic decent.

I am of Spanish descent myself, Bob. It's been so long ago, nobody
knows how to pronounce grandma's name. Grandma probably didn't say it
right either, but she died before I learned to talk. Can you trill your
"r's" as you say "curry-co" with accent on the antepenultimate
syllable?

Antbody with that name in Spain, Portugal, or Mexico is probably my
relative.

> Frankly for such a self-proclaimed genius you really talk down about
> others more than the PhD's I've been associated with, who actually
> tend to be more humble as they further their degree stature.

I learned about Spaniards and Mexicans and "flips" from some of the
most respected authors in America. They made millions of $ from telling
us all about history. Do I need a PhD to re-tell the stories that are
in the pages of books that were best sellers? Is it so politically
incorrect to discuss history that anybody who types to a NG is a
"bigot"?

> Do us a favor and stop talking about "they" in third person so much and
> instead focus on your nice bird or other 1st person stories.

I am the product of 15 centuries of history that I know a lot about.
Can't I express my weltanschuung in the context of that history?

> Signed: concerned you do come across as a loon.

Ah, yes. Gavia immer. The Common Loon. Call is a variety of yodeling,
wails, and maniacal laughter in summertime. Usually silent in winter.

Sorry, I can't guarantee silence after it starts raining and it's too
wet to ride. It may get worse. Muhahahahahahahaha!
_Bob_Nixon - 22 Oct 2005 04:24 GMT
>> Why are you always so judgmental of others and categorize people in
>> rider's boxes? Not only that but I find your writing often bigoted;
[quoted text clipped - 5 lines]
>"r's" as you say "curry-co" with accent on the antepenultimate
>syllable?

IOW, third syllable from the end. What's with the $0.50 words in AMS?

>Antbody with that name in Spain, Portugal, or Mexico is probably my
>relative.

Real name please?

>> Frankly for such a self-proclaimed genius you really talk down about
>> others more than the PhD's I've been associated with, who actually
[quoted text clipped - 6 lines]
>incorrect to discuss history that anybody who types to a NG is a
>"bigot"?

Sounds like more of your BS to me. Simple state your real name and you
will improve your credibility 1000%.

>> Do us a favor and stop talking about "they" in third person so much and
>> instead focus on your nice bird or other 1st person stories.
>
>I am the product of 15 centuries of history that I know a lot about.
>Can't I express my weltanschuung in the context of that history?
------------------------^^^^^^^^^

Do you realize how inappropriate it was to use that word in this NG,
when you could have just said "my philosophy" or "my view of life"?
Who do you think you're trying to impress?

>> Signed: concerned you do come across as a loon.
>
>Ah, yes. Gavia immer. The Common Loon. Call is a variety of yodeling,
>wails, and maniacal laughter in summertime. Usually silent in winter.

Again, whom are you trying to impress.  Do I ever use the words
Parasaurolophus, psudomorphic or Hetrojunction in this group? No,
because those words are simply not appropriate here.

Here are a few for the microwave PhD? Describe a waveguide magic "T"
and what is its purpose? Also what does the term Noise figure mean
(relate noise figure in db to degrees Kelvin)? What is 1bd gain
compression (or IP3) and what term would you use to relate to both NF
and 1DBGC or (IP3). This is very basic stuff.

>Sorry, I can't guarantee silence after it starts raining and it's too
>wet to ride. It may get worse. Muhahahahahahahaha!

Oh...blow it out your...a.s, Mr. Pompous.

Bob Nixon, Chandler AZ
01 Sprint ST "RED" 50K miles
http://bigrex.net/pictures
krusty kritter - 22 Oct 2005 05:16 GMT
> Sounds like more of your BS to me. Simple state your real name and you
> will improve your credibility 1000%.

I can't do that Bob. Even as I type this, another distraught stalker is
trying to gain my personal information.

> >I am the product of 15 centuries of history that I know a lot about.
> >Can't I express my weltanschuung in the context of that history?
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
> when you could have just said "my philosophy" or "my view of life"?
> Who do you think you're trying to impress?

Some people do use it, and recognize the point implied. Weltanschuung
is more precise than your definition, as are many German words, such as
"brennschluss". Weltanschuung means "world view". It's a philosophy of
everything.

> Here are a few for the microwave PhD? Describe a waveguide magic "T"
> and what is its purpose? Also what does the term Noise figure mean
> (relate noise figure in db to degrees Kelvin)? What is 1bd gain
> compression (or IP3) and what term would you use to relate to both NF
> and 1DBGC or (IP3). This is very basic stuff.

But what would be gained if you discovered I know more about the
subject than you do, or v.v.? You would just have to find some other
subject and test me on that. And for what? We're never going to meet
face to face, Bob.
Get used to it.
_Bob_Nixon - 22 Oct 2005 06:40 GMT
>> Sounds like more of your BS to me. Simple state your real name and you
>> will improve your credibility 1000%.
[quoted text clipped - 14 lines]
>"brennschluss". Weltanschuung means "world view". It's a philosophy of
>everything.

I read the definition too a.shole but here it wouldn't mattered in
AMS. Get the point jackass?

>> Here are a few for the microwave PhD? Describe a waveguide magic "T"
>> and what is its purpose? Also what does the term Noise figure mean
[quoted text clipped - 4 lines]
>But what would be gained if you discovered I know more about the
>subject than you do, or v.v.?

More like you're lying and don't understand it at all. Else you'd have
made SOME attempt to explain more than a single line. It's just not
your (windy) style, Krusty. Can't you see how transparent you really
appear now?

>You would just have to find some other
>subject and test me on that. And for what? We're never going to meet
>face to face, Bob.
>Get used to it.
^^^^^^^^^^

Who wants to meet YOU for Christ sakes? You're nothing but a figment
of you own imagination anyway. At least I don't hide behind some
cardboard facade; rather I've always backed up my dealings with a name
and face.

OBTW, consider the above the norm from me in reference to your posts
NOW for the rude way you've been treating me when I've done nothing
but compliament you for the last three months. Don't like it? Then
treat me and others with some respect, else I'll ride your a.s until
doomsday or you leave AMS forever!

Bob Nixon, Chandler AZ
01 Sprint ST "RED" 50K miles
http://bigrex.net/pictures
krusty kritter - 22 Oct 2005 15:56 GMT
> More like you're lying and don't understand it at all. Else you'd have
> made SOME attempt to explain more than a single line. It's just not
> your (windy) style, Krusty. Can't you see how transparent you really
> appear now?

Actually, Bob, I didn't have time for a dissertation on an off-topic
subject, I needed to spend some quality time with my cat. She has
feelings, too, yannow, and she let me know I was neglecting her. I've
been very selfish, spending all this time in self-expression, and I've
resolved to
get back into telling her bedtime stories.

So, hasta la bye-bye, Bobby, it's been real.
saddlebag@aol.com - 22 Oct 2005 13:38 GMT
> But what would be gained if you discovered I know more about the
> subject than you do, or v.v.? You would just have to find some other
> subject and test me on that. And for what?

The AMS Best Antenna Designer award, what else?
_Bob_Nixon - 22 Oct 2005 19:17 GMT
>> But what would be gained if you discovered I know more about the
>> subject than you do, or v.v.? You would just have to find some other
>> subject and test me on that. And for what?
>
>The AMS Best Antenna Designer award, what else?

Wrong, Saddle. Active microwave front ends, not antenna's.

Hint: You know those cheap 12GHz satellite dishes? There's an HEMT-RF
amp, active mixer amp (dual gate HEMT-GasFet) and IF amp (likely
silicon bases bipolar) up near the Antenna. Those little systems have,
like all RF front ends a finite NF (0.6db or <50degrees Kelvin) and
+5 to +10dbm1dbgc (=dynamic range) as does the IF section only a
higher NF and compression. Without the 30db antenna gain there is 50db
of gain on those little boxes. Military RX/TX systems are obviously
more complex in design with a quad section magic tee to optimize the
NF & gain of the 1st receiver stages. Then there are diplexers or
TR/ATR gas tubes to keep the TX pulse from damaging the RX front end
in Radar or TX/RX systems as Krusty's earlier references to designing
Troposcatter systems among other systems, such as Radar.

Bottom line Saddle, you can't believe what everyone in this group
tells you, simply because you think they tell funny/witty stories.

Bob Nixon, Chandler AZ
01 Sprint ST "RED" 50K miles
http://bigrex.net/pictures
saddlebag@aol.com - 23 Oct 2005 01:55 GMT
> Bottom line Saddle, you can't believe what everyone in this group
> tells you, simply because you think they tell funny/witty stories.

But I like funny/witty stories.
_Bob_Nixon - 23 Oct 2005 02:42 GMT
>> Bottom line Saddle, you can't believe what everyone in this group
>> tells you, simply because you think they tell funny/witty stories.
>
>But I like funny/witty stories.
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

So does GW Bush but you don't like or trust him!

Bob Nixon, Chandler AZ
01 Sprint ST "RED" 50K miles
http://bigrex.net/pictures
Troy the Troll - 23 Oct 2005 15:57 GMT
>> Bottom line Saddle, you can't believe what everyone in this group
>> tells you, simply because you think they tell funny/witty stories.
>
> But I like funny/witty stories.

Well then tell us some stories about yourself saddle, I'm sure we'll all be
rolling in the aisles. I want to hear the one about how you tricked some
reasonable woman into marrying you all the while having a natural tendency
to run and hide when someone looks at you cross eyed?
~kurt - 22 Oct 2005 05:56 GMT
> Sounds like more of your BS to me. Simple state your real name and you
> will improve your credibility 1000%.

Why?  If he used a "real name", you still wouldn't know if it really was
his name.

I still say using one's real name on Usenet, especially if it isn't all that
common, is a bit naive.

- Kurt
_Bob_Nixon - 22 Oct 2005 06:21 GMT
>> Sounds like more of your BS to me. Simple state your real name and you
>> will improve your credibility 1000%.
[quoted text clipped - 6 lines]
>
>- Kurt
^^^^^

That's only because you either have something to hide or are nothing
but a chicken sh.t! I've was using the usenet prolly while you were
still in high school;)

Bob Nixon, Chandler AZ
01 Sprint ST "RED" 50K miles
http://bigrex.net/pictures
~kurt - 22 Oct 2005 17:07 GMT
> That's only because you either have something to hide or are nothing
> but a chicken sh.t! I've was using the usenet prolly while you were
> still in high school;)

I'm sure you have - I didn't hook up until '98.  But there are some really
disturbed people out there.  I figure why take a chance.  There are other
reasons, but that is a pretty good one.  For instance, some company was
working on making psychological profiles of people based on their
Usenet postings.  I imagine there is a lot you can learn about someone
just from their daily ramblings.  That might not always prove to be a
good thing.  

For instance, I support the idea of being able to defend myself in my home.
I think I have every right to blast an intruder who breaks into my home.
Many states have laws saying you actually need to run away from an intruder
within your own home - you are not allowed to defend yourself.  So, let's
say some worthless piece of garbage breaks in, I confront him, he doesn't
stand down, and I blast him.  First of all, in this state, I would have a
hard enough time not going to jail for that.  Second, some prosecuter might
make the case that this was a premeditated murder based on my Usenet profile.

Of course, with no digital signature, you can't really prove all the postings
the profile were based on were from me.  However, a lack of digital
signatures doesn't seem to be very important in court.

- Kurt
saddlebag@aol.com - 22 Oct 2005 21:30 GMT
>>That's only because you either have something to hide or are nothing
>>but a chicken sh.t! I've was using the usenet prolly while you were
>>still in high school;)
>
> I'm sure you have - I didn't hook up until '98.  But there are some really
> disturbed people out there.  

A few years back one from this very group actually STALKED Krusty down.
Then he sold Andrew his Speed Triple. Probably peculiar to them Brit
Bike fettishers I reckon.

> I figure why take a chance.  There are other
> reasons, but that is a pretty good one.  For instance, some company was
> working on making psychological profiles of people based on their
> Usenet postings.  I imagine there is a lot you can learn about someone
> just from their daily ramblings.  That might not always prove to be a
> good thing.  

That and another anonymous goof that takes this sh.t WAY too seriously,
got Phil into trouble with his employer too. Are you seeing a pattern here?

> For instance, I support the idea of being able to defend myself in my home.
> I think I have every right to blast an intruder who breaks into my home.
> Many states have laws saying you actually need to run away from an intruder
> within your own home - you are not allowed to defend yourself.  

As if it matters. Where would they ever find a jury to convict someone
for breaking such a ridiculous law?

Anyway, I'm with you. If Bob wants to put his SSN, address, and Visa
number on here too that's fine by me. Me, I figure I got things worth
hiding...
krusty kritter - 22 Oct 2005 22:07 GMT
> > I'm sure you have - I didn't hook up until '98.  But there are some really
> > disturbed people out there.
>
> A few years back one from this very group actually STALKED Krusty down.
> Then he sold Andrew his Speed Triple. Probably peculiar to them Brit
> Bike fettishers I reckon.

This week I have another Triumph-riding J*w stalking me for describing
the well-known history of how Russian J*ws who immigrated to the USA in
the 1880's believed they shouldn't have to obey local laws or pay taxes
because they were J*ws.

If a poster appears to be a White Anglo Saxon Protestant, and says
"J*w" in the hearing of a descendant of the Russian J*ws, they go
absolutely ballistic and will hunt you down, like Wallerstein tore the
internet apart looking for me.
Troy the Troll - 23 Oct 2005 16:16 GMT
> If a poster appears to be a White Anglo Saxon Protestant, and says
> "J*w" in the hearing of a descendant of the Russian J*ws, they go
> absolutely ballistic and will hunt you down, like Wallerstein tore the
> internet apart looking for me.

Perhaps he is just the "curious" type?
krusty kritter - 23 Oct 2005 17:00 GMT
> > If a poster appears to be a White Anglo Saxon Protestant, and says
> > "J*w" in the hearing of a descendant of the Russian J*ws, they go
> > absolutely ballistic and will hunt you down, like Wallerstein tore the
> > internet apart looking for me.
>
> Perhaps he is just the "curious" type?

I suspect so. He's 30 years old and living with his mother...
Troy the Troll - 23 Oct 2005 17:03 GMT
>> > If a poster appears to be a White Anglo Saxon Protestant, and says
>> > "J*w" in the hearing of a descendant of the Russian J*ws, they go
[quoted text clipped - 4 lines]
>
> I suspect so. He's 30 years old and living with his mother...

WHAT!? And how exactly, under any stereotypical view of the world, would
that be the exclusive criteria which might make him "curious"?

Now....if went on and on about a certain topic, say, admiration of the male
behind, if he dressed particularly well and always smelled like my wife did
when we were dating, if he was considerate and kind to people until they
wore mismatched clothes, now all of THOSE sound more reasonable.

But hell! I'll bet saddle was living with his mom until a few years ago....
krusty kritter - 23 Oct 2005 19:43 GMT
> >> Perhaps he is just the "curious" type?
> >
[quoted text clipped - 7 lines]
> when we were dating, if he was considerate and kind to people until they
> wore mismatched clothes, now all of THOSE sound more reasonable.

He says that he spends all of his time fending off same-sex come-ons...

> But hell! I'll bet saddle was living with his mom until a few years ago....

Would you say that saddle has a nicer butt than Bob or Phil Scott?
Troy the Troll - 23 Oct 2005 20:20 GMT
>> >> Perhaps he is just the "curious" type?
>> >
[quoted text clipped - 16 lines]
>
> Would you say that saddle has a nicer butt than Bob or Phil Scott?

Having been fortunate and never met Filbert, I would have to say if I were
to admire anyone, it would be a short, robust Italian looking guy like
Saddle. I'd be nice and let him ride pillion on my bike as well...
Andy Burnett - 24 Oct 2005 17:11 GMT
> Having been fortunate and never met Filbert, I would have to say if I
> were to admire anyone, it would be a short, robust Italian looking guy
> like Saddle. I'd be nice and let him ride pillion on my bike as
> well...

You guys need to get a room...

ab
PC Paul - 24 Oct 2005 20:33 GMT
>>>>Perhaps he is just the "curious" type?
>>>
[quoted text clipped - 13 lines]
>
> Would you say that saddle has a nicer butt than Bob or Phil Scott?

I don't know, perhaps more like Rosanne Barr...

;-)
Ducking and running!

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saddlebag@aol.com - 25 Oct 2005 02:11 GMT
>>>>> Perhaps he is just the "curious" type?
>>>>
[quoted text clipped - 18 lines]
>
> I don't know, perhaps more like Rosanne Barr...

My provider must be dropping posts. Somehow I missed all the fun at my
expense up to this last one.

So to clear the record,
1. Yes, I spend my life evading sexual encounters of all kinds.
2. Yes, up until a few months ago I lived with your mother.
3. Yes, my behind smells like a rose and is more well rounded than Bob,
Phil, or Roseanne's.

I think that's enough self disclosure for one evening.
Brian - 25 Oct 2005 02:22 GMT
> My provider must be dropping posts. Somehow I missed all the fun at my
> expense up to this last one.
>
> So to clear the record,
> 1. Yes, I spend my life evading sexual encounters of all kinds.

Thats even weirder than being gay!

> 2. Yes, up until a few months ago I lived with your mother.

I wondered who that was........

> 3. Yes, my behind smells like a rose and is more well rounded than Bob,
> Phil, or Roseanne's.

You can get close enough (and want to!) to sniff it? This may have
something to do with #1.......

> I think that's enough self disclosure for one evening.

Some may say....More than enough!, but thanks for sharing.(I think) :)

Brian NZ
Troy the Troll - 25 Oct 2005 03:28 GMT
>> I think that's enough self disclosure for one evening.
>
> Some may say....More than enough!, but thanks for sharing.(I think) :)
>
> Brian NZ

Oh Brian, PLEASE say you aren't the "curious" type as well?
Brian - 25 Oct 2005 20:24 GMT
>>>I think that's enough self disclosure for one evening.
>>
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
>
> Oh Brian, PLEASE say you aren't the "curious" type as well?

I'm always curious, but I know when to run.......

Brian NZ
PC Paul - 25 Oct 2005 14:27 GMT
>>>>>> Perhaps he is just the "curious" type?
>>>>>
[quoted text clipped - 31 lines]
>
> I think that's enough self disclosure for one evening.

LOL!

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_Bob_Nixon - 22 Oct 2005 22:32 GMT
>>>That's only because you either have something to hide or are nothing
>>>but a chicken sh.t! I've was using the usenet prolly while you were
[quoted text clipped - 6 lines]
>Then he sold Andrew his Speed Triple. Probably peculiar to them Brit
>Bike fettishers I reckon.

Who, Larry the Lawyer? He's harmless. After all the sh.t I gave him he
called me "man of the year" for my miraculous recovery, which BTW, you
seem to have forgotten all about yourself, there Saddle. Maybe some
day you'll have to overcome something besides how to cheat on your
taxes, eh?

>> I figure why take a chance.  There are other
>> reasons, but that is a pretty good one.  For instance, some company was
>> working on making psychological profiles of people based on their
>> Usenet postings.  I imagine there is a lot you can learn about someone
>> just from their daily ramblings.  That might not always prove to be a
>> good thing.  

Stop smoking that sh.t, You sound as paranoid as Phil, these days.

>That and another anonymous goof that takes this sh.t WAY too seriously,
>got Phil into trouble with his employer too. Are you seeing a pattern here?

Enlighten us please?

>> For instance, I support the idea of being able to defend myself in my home.
>> I think I have every right to blast an intruder who breaks into my home.
>> Many states have laws saying you actually need to run away from an intruder
>> within your own home - you are not allowed to defend yourself.  

I have a 12-gauge pump next to my bed, just for that reason -:)

>As if it matters. Where would they ever find a jury to convict someone
>for breaking such a ridiculous law?
>
>Anyway, I'm with you. If Bob wants to put his SSN, address, and Visa
>number on here too that's fine by me. Me, I figure I got things worth
>hiding...

Now you're being damned silly, and not keeping up with this thread
Saddle. I don't care if Krusty reveals his ID; I just want some
consideration for treating him much better over the last 3 months.
That's all.

And look at how my own return address is all mungded before you go off
half-cocked. God, you get on a jag and won't listen or keep up with
current posting of a thread.

Meanwhile this old cripple is never tied to his keyboard over the
weekend like some of you all. Also as to stuff like SSN, address, CC#
and phone #, I rarely even buy off the net anymore. I used to go
through a lot of tires but my bike mileage has gone way down due to
the poor condition of my heart.

Bob Nixon, Chandler AZ
01 Sprint ST "RED" 50K miles
http://bigrex.net/pictures
sqidbait - 23 Oct 2005 00:13 GMT
[snip]
> Now you're being damned silly, and not keeping up with this thread
> Saddle. I don't care if Krusty reveals his ID; I just want some
> consideration for treating him much better over the last 3 months.
> That's all.
[snip]

So you're mad that Krusty hasn't bought into your whole "insult,
antagonize, then kiss-n-make up" game?

-- Michael
_Bob_Nixon - 23 Oct 2005 01:16 GMT
>[snip]
>> Now you're being damned silly, and not keeping up with this thread
[quoted text clipped - 5 lines]
>So you're mad that Krusty hasn't bought into your whole "insult,
>antagonize, then kiss-n-make up" game?

For once, squidbait, you actually got it right -:)

Bob Nixon, Chandler AZ
01 Sprint ST "RED" 50K miles
http://bigrex.net/pictures
Andy Burnett - 24 Oct 2005 17:13 GMT
> ...I just want some consideration for treating him much better over the
> last 3 months. That's all.

You've been treating everybody better lately.  It's cool.

ab
_Bob_Nixon - 24 Oct 2005 18:31 GMT
>> ...I just want some consideration for treating him much better over the
>> last 3 months. That's all.
>
>You've been treating everybody better lately.  It's cool.

Must be the painkillers and a better sense of my own mortality and
ensuing humility. Thanks, BTW.

Bob Nixon, Chandler AZ
01 Sprint ST "RED" 50K miles
http://bigrex.net/pictures
saddlebag@aol.com - 22 Oct 2005 20:28 GMT
> That's only because you either have something to hide or are nothing
> but a chicken sh.t! I've was using the usenet prolly while you were
> still in high school;)

Yeah.

Bob Nixon, Hope Al
05 Speed Triple "BLUE" 250K miles
www.bigblackdick.com
saddlebag@aol.com - 22 Oct 2005 20:29 GMT
> That's only because you either have something to hide or are nothing
> but a chicken sh.t! I've was using the usenet prolly while you were
> still in high school;)

Yeah.

Bob Nixon, Hope Al
05 Speed Triple "BLUE" 250K miles
www.bigblackdick.com
saddlebag@aol.com - 22 Oct 2005 13:40 GMT
>>Sounds like more of your BS to me. Simple state your real name and you
>>will improve your credibility 1000%.
[quoted text clipped - 4 lines]
> I still say using one's real name on Usenet, especially if it isn't all that
> common, is a bit naive.

And besides, every loves a Krusty Kritter, but who'll pay any mind to
Krusty Gomez?
krusty kritter - 22 Oct 2005 15:43 GMT
> > I still say using one's real name on Usenet, especially if it isn't all that
> > common, is a bit naive.

What's in a name? Would sandpaper be less abrasive if you called it
"Charmin"?

> And besides, every loves a Krusty Kritter, but who'll pay any mind to
> Krusty Gomez?

I'd rather be a Krusty Gomez than a Dirty Sanchez ;-)
_Bob_Nixon - 22 Oct 2005 18:53 GMT
>>>Sounds like more of your BS to me. Simple state your real name and you
>>>will improve your credibility 1000%.
[quoted text clipped - 7 lines]
>And besides, every loves a Krusty Kritter, but who'll pay any mind to
>Krusty Gomez?

If you read my post Saddle, I didn't expect he really give his real
name, just a little respect for all the a.s kissing I've given him of
late.

Hint: repeatedly ignoring compliments does not constitute respect.
Get it now and why I won't cut him any slack in the future?

Bob Nixon, Chandler AZ
01 Sprint ST "RED" 50K miles
http://bigrex.net/pictures
saddlebag@aol.com - 22 Oct 2005 22:23 GMT
> Hint: repeatedly ignoring compliments does not constitute respect.
> Get it now and why I won't cut him any slack in the future?

Krusty rarely responds to anything that doesn't involve fixing
something, be it mechanical or human. I wouldn't go getting all weepy
eyed about it.
krusty kritter - 22 Oct 2005 15:49 GMT
> > Sounds like more of your BS to me. Simple state your real name and you
> > will improve your credibility 1000%.
[quoted text clipped - 4 lines]
> I still say using one's real name on Usenet, especially if it isn't all that
> common, is a bit naive.

Yup. And the Anti-Defamation League of the Circumcised Ones is stalking
me for enjoying my first amendment rights again, so why put my real
name out on Usenet for every netkook in the world?
Andy Burnett - 24 Oct 2005 17:02 GMT
> Again, whom are you trying to impress.  Do I ever use the words
> Parasaurolophus, psudomorphic or Hetrojunction in this group? No,
> because those words are simply not appropriate here.

Well, wait a minute -- why are these words inappropriate?  Because people
might have to look them up to understand them?

I have no problem with someone using a word I may not be familiar with if
it's part of his vocabulary and his self-expression.  If he ran to the
thesaurus to come up with the word just so the rest of us would be
impressed, I'd find that a little irritating, but how would I really know
either way?

I'd hate to think that it's necessary to dumb everything we say down.  That
assumes most of us are idiots.

ab
Bob Myers - 22 Oct 2005 05:49 GMT
> Some people buy scratched or dinged motorbikes, some people buy
> motorbikes that have been crashed. If my bike had been crashed, I would
> include that fact in the advertisement,

Sure...but that wasn't the point of the original post at all.  The
ad in question actually made the "already been dropped"
sound like a FEATURE.  How you got into the whole
"anally retentive" bit from that is beyond me.

Bob M.
krusty kritter - 22 Oct 2005 15:33 GMT
> > Some people buy scratched or dinged motorbikes, some people buy
> > motorbikes that have been crashed. If my bike had been crashed, I would
[quoted text clipped - 4 lines]
> sound like a FEATURE.  How you got into the whole
> "anally retentive" bit from that is beyond me.

Step outside your point of view and you'll figure out that you
sometimes can't see "the forest" because all the "trees" are blocking
your view...
Brian - 18 Oct 2005 22:03 GMT
> http://adcache.cycletrader.com/5/4/9/81114449.htm
>
[quoted text clipped - 4 lines]
> 03 SV1000S
> 04 Mean Streak

A good mate of mine only lets me ride his new (No wife, no kids, no
morgage...he can afford 'new') bikes after they have been 'dropped'.
This uaually involves the bike falling off the side stand because he's
parked somewhere stupid (on grave, grass etc.).

So far it's helped me get a ride on a KTM 640LC, Moto-Guzzi 1100 Sport
and an Aprillia RSV Mille R......now I'm just waiting for the KTM
SuperDuke to fall over. I'm not mean enough (or should that be man
enough?) to give it a 'helping hand'.

Brian NZ
Andrew - 18 Oct 2005 23:11 GMT
>> http://adcache.cycletrader.com/5/4/9/81114449.htm
>>
[quoted text clipped - 9 lines]
> This uaually involves the bike falling off the side stand because he's
> parked somewhere stupid (on grave, grass etc.).

I generally try not to park on graves.
It's too spooky.

Signature

Andrew
00 Daytona
00 Speed Triple
71 Kawi H1

Brian - 18 Oct 2005 23:51 GMT
> I generally try not to park on graves.
> It's too spooky.

&%$#!! Gravel.....I meant to say gravel.

Brian NZ
Andrew - 19 Oct 2005 00:06 GMT
>> I generally try not to park on graves.
>> It's too spooky.
>
> &%$#!! Gravel.....I meant to say gravel.
>
> Brian NZ

See, and I thought you MEANT grades, like inclines.

Signature

Andrew
00 Daytona
00 Speed Triple
71 Kawi H1
05 Infant

Brian - 19 Oct 2005 00:15 GMT
>>> I generally try not to park on graves.
>>> It's too spooky.
[quoted text clipped - 4 lines]
>
> See, and I thought you MEANT grades, like inclines.

LOL....I like your sign off sig......'05 Infant'.

I have '93 and '95 models, and theyv'e cost more than the bikes, but
bring just as many smiles per dollar.

Brian NZ
PC Paul - 19 Oct 2005 14:59 GMT
>>> I generally try not to park on graves.
>>> It's too spooky.
[quoted text clipped - 4 lines]
>
> See, and I thought you MEANT grades, like inclines.

Graves and grades both work. Graves are too soft and grades can be tippy.

Signature

PC Paul
89 PC800
77 R100RS

Trip pics at: http://photos.yahoo.com/paul1cart

"To educate a man in mind and not in morals is to educate a menace to
society" - Theodore Roosevelt

Andrew - 18 Oct 2005 23:08 GMT
> http://adcache.cycletrader.com/5/4/9/81114449.htm
>
[quoted text clipped - 4 lines]
> 03 SV1000S
> 04 Mean Streak

It's good to get the first scratches out of the way!
I found that out when I painted the Orange Crush!

Signature

Andrew
00 Daytona
00 Speed Triple
71 Kawi H1

saddlebag@aol.com - 18 Oct 2005 23:10 GMT
> http://adcache.cycletrader.com/5/4/9/81114449.htm
>
> lol  This cracked me up.  Like getting that first drop " out of the way" is
> a good thing..... and necessary before being "ready to go".   <S>

What, ya mean you don't do that with planes?
737driv - 19 Oct 2005 01:32 GMT
>> http://adcache.cycletrader.com/5/4/9/81114449.htm
>>
>> lol  This cracked me up.  Like getting that first drop " out of the way"
>> is a good thing..... and necessary before being "ready to go".   <S>
>
> What, ya mean you don't do that with planes?

Na, I don't do it with planes because the "first" is normally your last!

I don't mind a "scratch or two" mind you, but forget the kickstand (
landing gear ) one time on a grave, gravel or grade and they will make you
give up flying and become  a TSA screener or that guy at the movie theater
that says  " its down the hall to your right, sir.."   <S>