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Well in the spirit of having flawlessly passed my driving test for my German drivers license this past monday, I thought I would actually post some pics of my newly acquired 4-wheeled transportation that I bought last month =) It's a 2006 Audi A3, 2.0L TDI 6-Speed Manual, overall a pretty nice car, handles pretty decently too with the upgraded factors suspension I chose for it. Would leave any mustang in the dust in corners. Not 4 wheel drive though, but I will make sure my next one is. Anyway, here are pictures... http://www.somrek.net/Audi1.jpg http://www.somrek.net/Audi2.jpg http://www.somrek.net/Audi3.jpg http://www.somrek.net/Audi4.jpg http://www.somrek.net/Audi5.jpg Now I just gotta finish my motorcycle license here soon as weather conditions allow, which they currently dont! Probably not going to be able to do that until March =( And then, off to buy a new bike!!! -- Stephan 2001 Yamaha YZF-R6 <--- Stolen Stephan, If I may ask, what are you actually doing in Germany? Is it work or drug running or something like that ? Looks like you are doing quite nicely, well done. > Well in the spirit of having flawlessly passed my driving test for my > German drivers license this past monday, I thought I would actually [quoted text clipped - 27 lines] > Stephan > 2001 Yamaha YZF-R6 <--- Stolen >Stephan, > >If I may ask, what are you actually doing in Germany? Is it work or drug >running or something like that ? Looks like you are doing quite nicely, well >done. Drug running with some prostitution on the side and the occasional illegal arms sale =) -- Stephan 2001 Yamaha YZF-R6 <--- Stolen >>Stephan, >> [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] >Drug running with some prostitution on the side and the occasional >illegal arms sale =) Mommy and Daddy bought him a new car and bike.:-) Regards Mike >>>Stephan, >>> [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > >Mommy and Daddy bought him a new car and bike.:-) HAH! I wish.... -- Stephan 2001 Yamaha YZF-R6 <--- Stolen >>>Stephan, >>> [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > > Mommy and Daddy bought him a new car and bike.:-) 100% correct! > Regards > > Mike >>>>Stephan, >>>> [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > >100% correct! 100% Wrong =) >>>>>Stephan, >>>>> [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > > 100% Wrong =) Oh, sure... but it's a big secret all the same? >>>>>>Stephan, >>>>>> [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > >Oh, sure... but it's a big secret all the same? No big secret =) I do mechanical and sofware engineering, both which pay rather well. Particuarly now where I still make the same money I made when I lived in Florida, but only have a third of the cost of living. The mechanical stuff in Autodesk Inventor, little example here of something I did for Larry http://www.somrek.net/axle.jpg Software is C# primarily. I also know C/C++, Pascal, x86 Assembly, ARM Assembly, and getting started next year on doing some stuff on dsPICs. I also live and breathe the .Net Framework, and I am also reasonably comfortable with DirectX. Some screenshots of my software work... Tuning software I do work on... http://www.somrek.net/advantage.jpg EDA Software I do work on in my personal time... http://www.somrek.net/Images/scm1.jpg Everything I own, everything I buy, I earned on my own 100%... >>>>>>> Stephan, >>>>>>> [quoted text clipped - 19 lines] > The mechanical stuff in Autodesk Inventor, little example here of > something I did for Larry http://www.somrek.net/axle.jpg Well, you were okay before you mentioned Inventor :) I just had to deal with importing some of their files. Between Cimitron, and Inventor, their file exports are gonna give me some ulsers. >>>>>>>Stephan, >>>>>>> [quoted text clipped - 40 lines] > >Everything I own, everything I buy, I earned on my own 100%... Step where did you learn this stuff? I am pretty handy with all things computer myself although the stuff you are doing is out of my league. There has to be a two week course I can take to learn this stuff?:-)Merry Christmas and enjoy the R1. Tell Dad I said hello and keep his eyes open for a new KTM 250 mxer.:-) Regards Mike > >>>>>>>Stephan, > >>>>>>> [quoted text clipped - 50 lines] > > Mike LMAO at "two week course". Funny guy Mike. Bruce >>>>>>>>Stephan, >>>>>>>> [quoted text clipped - 46 lines] >stuff?:-)Merry Christmas and enjoy the R1. Tell Dad I said hello and >keep his eyes open for a new KTM 250 mxer.:-) Everything self-taught. I am sorry but there is no two week course you can take for this =) I started my course when I was 13 years old, and I am still not done. That puts me at 12 years now...=) And yep, I am enjoying the R1. It looks soooo purrrrrrdy here on my desk =) >>>>>>>>>Stephan, >>>>>>>>> [quoted text clipped - 53 lines] >And yep, I am enjoying the R1. It looks soooo purrrrrrdy here on my >desk =) Here I wasted 29 years honing my craft as a drummer when I could have got into computing sooner. Merry Christmas to you. Regards Mike >>>>>Stephan, >>>>> [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > >100% Wrong =) I don't think so. Ask your Dad if he would like to adopt another son.:-) Maybe he has enough cash leftover after he pays for your Audi and bike to get me one as well?:-) Regards Mike > Mommy and Daddy bought him a new car and bike.:-) > > Regards > > Mike Thats the kind of Dad I hope to be....but 'new' might turn into 'second-hand' pretty quick. It's the parents job to make sure their kids have an easier/better life than they did. Brian NZ >Stephan, > >If I may ask, what are you actually doing in Germany? Is it work or drug >running or something like that ? Looks like you are doing quite nicely, well >done. It's called a "free market economy" and it affords such trinkets too all those interested in having them through hard work. That's why Germany is number three internationally and France somewhere ahead of Zaire. >>Stephan, >> [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > That's why Germany is number three internationally and France > somewhere ahead of Zaire. It's good to see that my earlier comments have really got to you, thanks for letting me know. Hardly surprising really, the truth usually has a way of hitting home. Oh, and good luck on the subways! >It's good to see that my earlier comments have really got to you, thanks for >letting me know. Hardly surprising really, the truth usually has a way of >hitting home. Whatever the f.ck you're on about, you frenchies sure have a way of rationalising things to your favor! >Oh, and good luck on the subways! Typical Frog socialist to derive pleasure from misery. I don't take the train into work lad. >>It's good to see that my earlier comments have really got to you, thanks >>for [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > > Typical Frog socialist to derive pleasure from misery. And I guess you never got any pleasure the Paris riots... it's so easy to trip you up you dingbat. >I don't take > the train into work lad. Sorry... forgot you were on welfare... then how about good luck walking to the soup kitchen? >Oh, and good luck on the subways! 'Land of the free' and it's illegal for those workers to strike for better conditions, with the unions being fined US$1,000,000 per day! > Well in the spirit of having flawlessly passed my driving test for my > German drivers license this past monday, I thought I would actually [quoted text clipped - 27 lines] > Stephan > 2001 Yamaha YZF-R6 <--- Stolen Damn, that is sweet. Didn't know Audi started making a diesel car - then again since parent VW is making a killing on diesel cars, it's no wonder. Being able to buy an Audi or other superb German cars is to me, the only good thing bout living in Europe. Say, unlike us folk in North America, you sure don't have to be ashamed to claim you drive a 'domestic', am I right? PS: I too drive a German sports car. It complements my sports bike very nicely (I dread domestic pos cars as much as dread these domestic pos bikes - Harley? Wtf is that? A comet??) Enjoy your new ride and please, do me a favor and take it down the Autobonn. Let me know how it felt (yet another great thing bout living in Germany) >> Well in the spirit of having flawlessly passed my driving test for my >> German drivers license this past monday, I thought I would actually [quoted text clipped - 32 lines] >Being able to buy an Audi or other superb German cars is to me, the only >good thing bout living in Europe. All the manufacturers pretty much make Diesel cars. Over 50% of the cars on the road are Diesels. And mine here gets about 30-35mpg, city and that is on winter tires. I would get even better mpg on the highways if I could keep it under 100 mph =) Unfortunatly they cant sell these in the US because the diesel fuel in the US is not clean enough or something along those lines. It would damage the engines. However if I remember correctly, this is changing within the next couple of years. Not sure if it was 2007 or 2008 when the US is supposed to start selling the same Diesel fuel as they do here, which will open up the market for these cars in the US as well. >Say, unlike us folk in North America, you sure don't hve to be ashamed >to claim you drive a 'domestic', am I right? I would refuse to drive anything but a Domestic over here. Well, only exception being maybe a 1986 Pontiac Fiero which I want to import next year, but....that doesnt really count it being more of a collectors car. I used to have one of those and absolutely love em. But better be a mechanic and have a buddy with a machine shop if you want to own one of those =) >PS: I too drive a German sports car. It complements my sports bike very >nicely (I dread domestic pos cars as much as dread these domestic pos >bikes - Harley? Wtf is that? A comet??) What are you driving? As far as US domestics go, I agree with you. I have owned a few and have had nothing but trouble with all of them. Just as an example, I had a control arm fall off on my mustang once. Yep you read that right, it literally just....fell off the car on the highway....talk about a loose rear end... >Enjoy your new ride and please, do me a favor and take it down the >Autobonn. Let me know how it felt (yet another great thing bout living >in Germany) Feels wonderful =) I cant even describe how nice it feels to finally being able to drive without having to constantly watch my back for cops....and no retired people blocking the left lane!! It's just wonderful. On the other hand however, I just did spend 900 for my license...and prolly looking at another 300-400 for my motorcycle license in the spring. -- Stephan 2001 Yamaha YZF-R6 <--- Stolen >>> Well in the spirit of having flawlessly passed my driving test for my >>> German drivers license this past monday, I thought I would actually [quoted text clipped - 55 lines] > But better be a mechanic and have a buddy with a machine shop if you > want to own one of those =) From past experience, a fire extinguisher would also be a good idea. Rob >>PS: I too drive a German sports car. It complements my sports bike very >>nicely (I dread domestic pos cars as much as dread these domestic pos [quoted text clipped - 23 lines] > Stephan > 2001 Yamaha YZF-R6 <--- Stolen "Stephan Rose" <ker-spam-mos@kermos-no-spam-reversed.net> wrote in message > I would refuse to drive anything but a Domestic over here. > > Well, only exception being maybe a 1986 Pontiac Fiero which I want to > import next year, but....that doesnt really count it being more of a > collectors car. I used to have one of those and absolutely love em. the only fiero that was worth having is the 88 model...they finally built it right....for the last year... >"Stephan Rose" <ker-spam-mos@kermos-no-spam-reversed.net> wrote in message > [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] >the only fiero that was worth having is the 88 model...they finally built it >right....for the last year... Ummm...yes and no. From a tech standpoint, maybe. However, it is not very difficult to take an 86 Model and retrofit 88 parts to it to upgrade. Problem with an 88 is, parts are very difficult for it to find and are generally considerably more expensive than 84-87 parts. Compound that with the fact that I live in Germany now, and obtaining parts may become even more difficult for me (I just hope fireo store ships internationally, while being a little expensive they have virtually everything)....I rather not pick the most difficult model to get parts for =) And while the 88 may handle even better than the 86 due to its upgraded suspension, the 86 is still the best handling car I have ever owned. >> "Stephan Rose" <ker-spam-mos@kermos-no-spam-reversed.net> wrote in message >> [quoted text clipped - 23 lines] > upgraded suspension, the 86 is still the best handling car I have ever > owned. I agree with ya there. I had an 85 Fiero GT. Loved that thing. Shoulda never gotten rid of it. > >> "Stephan Rose" <ker-spam-mos@kermos-no-spam-reversed.net> wrote in message > >> [quoted text clipped - 26 lines] > I agree with ya there. I had an 85 Fiero GT. Loved that thing. Shoulda > never gotten rid of it. I have an 88 Fiero. It was a shock when I bought brake rotors for it 8<O Bruce Richmond >>>> "Stephan Rose" <ker-spam-mos@kermos-no-spam-reversed.net> wrote in message >>>> [quoted text clipped - 30 lines] > > Bruce Richmond Yup Those one year only items are gonna get pricey "Stephan Rose" <kermos@somrek.diespammer.net> wrote in message >>the only fiero that was worth having is the 88 model...they finally built >>it [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > From a tech standpoint, maybe. However, it is not very difficult to > take an 86 Model and retrofit 88 parts to it to upgrade. alot of the 88 parts are not a bolt on affair.....if you don't mind fabrication, the earlier cars are a blank canvas.. > Problem with an 88 is, parts are very difficult for it to find and are > generally considerably more expensive than 84-87 parts. the 84-87 make excellent donors for kitcars... >Compound that > with the fact that I live in Germany now, and obtaining parts may [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > upgraded suspension, the 86 is still the best handling car I have ever > owned. the 88 has a suspension based on a design by lotus, and is every bit of what a (semi-)sports car should have... >"Stephan Rose" <kermos@somrek.diespammer.net> wrote in message >>>the only fiero that was worth having is the 88 model...they finally built [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] >alot of the 88 parts are not a bolt on affair.....if you don't mind >fabrication, the earlier cars are a blank canvas.. Machine shop is across my parents house =) >> Problem with an 88 is, parts are very difficult for it to find and are >> generally considerably more expensive than 84-87 parts. > >the 84-87 make excellent donors for kitcars... True though I dont care much for kits. If I drive a fiero, I drive it as a fiero not a wanna-be ferrari or whatever other kit other people throw on there. >>Compound that >> with the fact that I live in Germany now, and obtaining parts may [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] >the 88 has a suspension based on a design by lotus, and is every bit of what >a (semi-)sports car should have... Very true, but considering my situation, I dont think the 88 is the best choice. I can live with the not quite as good suspension =) And from what I have heard, adding the rear swaybar from the 88 to the pre-88 models is not too difficult, and makes it almost as good as the 88. > >"Stephan Rose" <kermos@somrek.diespammer.net> wrote in message > >>>the only fiero that was worth having is the 88 model...they finally built [quoted text clipped - 19 lines] > as a fiero not a wanna-be ferrari or whatever other kit other people > throw on there. I haven't given much thought to a kit either, but I have seriously considered putting a V8 in mine. All aluminum so as not to mess up the balance of course :) Bruce "Stephan Rose" <kermos@somrek.diespammer.net> wrote in message >>the 84-87 make excellent donors for kitcars... > > True though I dont care much for kits. If I drive a fiero, I drive it > as a fiero not a wanna-be ferrari or whatever other kit other people > throw on there. i hear that... i tinker with old aircooled vw's....talk about a car that has been raped for its chasis more than any other "donor" cars....LOL >>the 88 has a suspension based on a design by lotus, and is every bit of >>what [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > pre-88 models is not too difficult, and makes it almost as good as the > 88. i''m with ya here too.....the 88 is just a very impressive machine...it is what the designers wanted, but they had to use off the shelf parts, so to speak...once they were given the goahead to redesign the car, it was too late...the Fiero could have been a big hit had they not scraped it.... >Well in the spirit of having flawlessly passed my driving test for my >German drivers license this past monday, I thought I would actually [quoted text clipped - 17 lines] > >http://www.somrek.net/Audi5.jpg This looks like the same base engine used in the VW 1.9 liter TDI. The HP rating is low in the US version but I've seen them rated at up to 170HP EU, while the US version is only 90-100HP. With Diesels it's all in the injector size and turbo boost. The US version is so wimpy because folks here are soooo concerned about the particulates & associated smell. Then particulate traps are becoming commonplace "again" so its will soon be a non-issue. What is an issue "Stephen" is not the fuel "quality" but rather the high price of Diesel fuel in the USA/Canada compared to the rest of the world relative to gasoline. It seems we'd rather use Diesel & fuel oils to power Airplanes (kerosene is really Diesel #1 or very close to jet fuel). Also heating oil has a higher priority in the US and pushes the price of all hydrocarbon-"fossil based" fuels up in the wintertime. Additionally, consider Europeans still pay twice the pump prices for gasoline than we here in the USA/Canada. So.... your relatively low Diesel prices are not an issue here with Diesel actually higher$/gallon than premium in most places. It's really sad too as the Diesel engine has superior efficiency than gasoline engines and are built tougher & last longer in general. Below is a short list of current Diesel engine automotive advantages. 1) Diesel fuel has >BTU's per gallon than gasoline. 2) Diesel engines have higher compression ratios and are not subject to octane concerns. On the contrary, the higher the turbo boost the greater the power and efficiency. Also with low EGT's Diesels are easier on turbocghargers and use more of their heat energy to "transduce" to mechanical energy relative to (SI) gas burnes. 3) Diesel engines have no air throttle, which makes them far more efficient during stop-n-go for city driving. (No vacuum pumping loss in the Diesel engine) 4) With practical turbos (#2 above) Diesel engines produce more usable power/torque at lower RPM's thus reducung noise and engine wear compared to SI engines. Also, with recent advances in variable pitch turbo chargers and high pressure multi-pulse common rail fuel injection it takes less HP to do the same job of a comperable SI engine. Example: UP to 55MPH a 1.9 liter 90HP VW TDI feels more like a 180HP 3 liter V6 NA SI gasoline engine. 5) Diesels, given the current injection / particulate trap technology are actually cleaner burning, as quiet and produce equal to > HP per liter compared to equivalent displacement "automotive" NA gasoline engines. Finally a question: When are we going to get off the dime in the USA/Canada and get rid of our old prejudices of low power & smoke whenever the word Diesel comes up in a conversation? So far, the only market for consumer Diesels is the stodgy and still intentionally noisy pickup market, with that heavy Dodge Cummins/Case tractor, low RPM, inline 6, noise maker, leading the pack in terms of confidence. While it may be the most "big truck" like engine in the pickup market, it's the least flexible in terms of a consumer Diesel engines. Both Ford and GM build more "car like" higher revving V8 diesels that are quieter with roughly the same HP/torque /per liter but it seems the same old prejudices come into play (big truck/lorry) mentality with the only motivation being driven by sub 100 IQ wannabee "mother-truckers". [ ] Bob Nixon, Chandler AZ 01 Sprint ST "RED" 50K miles http://bigrex.net/pictures > Finally a question: When are we going to get off the dime in the > USA/Canada and get rid of our old prejudices of low power & smoke > whenever the word Diesel comes up in a conversation? Maybe now that we're talking about "bio-diesel," we'll start to get more interested in diesel engines. It was interesting to see diesel fuel more expensive than gasoline a while back. At the time, people certainly weren't rushing out to buy diesel cars. The only disadvantage I've run into with my limited experience with diesel is difficult starting in cold weather. I guess a block heater helps, but the vehicle I was using didn't have one and it was next to impossible to start in 20 degree weather. ab >> Finally a question: When are we going to get off the dime in the >> USA/Canada and get rid of our old prejudices of low power & smoke [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] >expensive than gasoline a while back. At the time, people certainly >weren't rushing out to buy diesel cars. Agreed but how expensive will biodiesel be to produce. If it's anything like ethanol, forget it. >The only disadvantage I've run into with my limited experience with diesel >is difficult starting in cold weather. I guess a block heater helps, but >the vehicle I was using didn't have one and it was next to impossible to >start in 20 degree weather. Andy, that's going away now too. Why? Winterized Diesel anti-gel fuel additives and glow plugs that actually do their job. For instance, on the VW TDI the glow plugs turn on when you open the driver's door not just when you turn on the key, like my old MB 300D. Bob Nixon, Chandler AZ 01 Sprint ST "RED" 50K miles http://bigrex.net/pictures >The only disadvantage I've run into with my limited experience with diesel >is difficult starting in cold weather. I guess a block heater helps, but >the vehicle I was using didn't have one and it was next to impossible to >start in 20 degree weather. Newer diesels start just fine in 20 degrees. Computers and all that sh.t. The most you have to do is wait ten seconds for the glowplug idiot light to go out. Now -40, you're going to have a problem. But they have heated fuel filters and such for the truly hardy critters out in the boonies. Of course since diesels are so damn efficient you can idle them all day and they won't get up to heat to warm the passenger area. Biodiesel is actually profitable at current prices. Ramping up production to meet US demand while maintaining such prices is an entire matter altogether... > Newer diesels start just fine in 20 degrees. Computers and all that > sh.t. The most you have to do is wait ten seconds for the glowplug > idiot light to go out. Not sure what you mean by newer. The vehicle I was thinking of was a '97 GMC pickup. Took an hour of jump start attempts before it would start. No issues at warmer temps. I do think it had fuel injection issues, so maybe my experience is not typical. Tucker has been making diesel Snocats for a long time and those things need to start in the cold... > Biodiesel is actually profitable at current prices. Ramping up > production to meet US demand while maintaining such prices is an > entire matter altogether... Yes. If it can be done, we'll all buy new cars and drive around smelling like, uh, freedom fries. ab >> Newer diesels start just fine in 20 degrees. Computers and all that >> sh.t. The most you have to do is wait ten seconds for the glowplug [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] >my experience is not typical. Tucker has been making diesel Snocats for a >long time and those things need to start in the cold... yea but...thats GMC!!! They are like what? 10 years behind in technology compared to us here in europe as far as Diesels go? My Audi here starts just fine in 20 degrees..I dont even have to wait on the glowplugs. I can just look at my key hard enough and it starts right up. > >> Newer diesels start just fine in 20 degrees. Computers and all that > >> sh.t. The most you have to do is wait ten seconds for the glowplug [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > on the glowplugs. I can just look at my key hard enough and it starts > right up. So does my Kubota.  SignatureTweak >> >> Newer diesels start just fine in 20 degrees. Computers and all that >> >> sh.t. The most you have to do is wait ten seconds for the glowplug [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > >So does my Kubota. You have that little back hoe? Nice little machine. Regards Mike > >> >> Newer diesels start just fine in 20 degrees. Computers and all that > >> >> sh.t. The most you have to do is wait ten seconds for the glowplug [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] > > You have that little back hoe? Nice little machine. No back hoe, but I do have a 48" bushhog and a few other implements for the 3 point, and it has a 60" cutting deck. I don't exactly need a big tractor. SignatureTweak > yea but...thats GMC!!! They are like what? 10 years behind in > technology compared to us here in europe as far as Diesels go? No argument there. ab >> Newer diesels start just fine in 20 degrees. Computers and all that >> sh.t. The most you have to do is wait ten seconds for the glowplug >> idiot light to go out. > >Not sure what you mean by newer. The vehicle I was thinking of was a '97 >GMC pickup. Took an hour of jump start attempts before it would start. No ^^^^^^^^^ That was still an old 350 cu inch gasoline conversion design, with indirect combustion chamber and lots of headaches. The new Duramax Isuzu 4 valve direct combustion chamber is a much better design. Also, glow plugs can be problematic after a finite mileage as is proper valve adjustment and ring wear. IOW, poor compression ratio equals hard starting. FWIW, with a car size or less than 10 liter Diesel you need both good functioning glow plugs and ~380-400psi, on a compression check. Timely valve adjustment is critical as well because any leakage will reduce the compression and resultant combustion chamber air temperature especially in the cold. As an addendum to what Demitrious said, anti-gel only works down to -40 degrees. Below that, preheating fuel is required. Also, under artic conditions Diesels are either kept running all night or employ electric oil or radiator heaters. [...] >> Biodiesel is actually profitable at current prices. Ramping up >> production to meet US demand while maintaining such prices is an >> entire matter altogether... As I said before, profitable and competitive pump prices may not be the same thing. Bob Nixon, Chandler AZ 01 Sprint ST "RED" 50K miles http://bigrex.net/pictures >Not sure what you mean by newer. The vehicle I was thinking of was a '97 >GMC pickup. Took an hour of jump start attempts before it would start Well there you go! Trusting anything to General Motors! Serves you right. European TDIs start and run like clockwork. You can only tell it's a diesel at shutdown where it emits a faint whiff of what smells like a candle that's just gone out. >my experience is not typical. Tucker has been making diesel Snocats for a >long time and those things need to start in the cold... They also prolly have heated everything on their fuel lines and are plugged in at night in the garage. For commercial apps they actually sell heated tubing for line usage. >Yes. If it can be done, we'll all buy new cars and drive around smelling >like, uh, freedom fries. Don't laugh. I've run into a few fryolator dudes that pick up the copious free oil from restaurants (I think we have more restaurateurs here than people) and their cars pull away smelling like a Krispy Kreme Katastrophe at the fry plant. I'm still tempted to buy a cheepie VW diesel and convert it to do the same! My GF has a restaurant that'd keep me in free fuel. >>my experience is not typical. Tucker has been making diesel Snocats >>for a long time and those things need to start in the cold... > > They also prolly have heated everything on their fuel lines and are > plugged in at night in the garage. For commercial apps they actually > sell heated tubing for line usage. Probably true at ski resorts. Snocats are also used where non of that infrastructure exists, so they may have to run heaters off a generator a couple of hours before use or just leave the things running. Of course, Tucker also makes gasoline powered cats. ab [...] >Biodiesel is actually profitable at current prices. Ramping up >production to meet US demand while maintaining such prices is an >entire matter altogether... Profitable maybe but "still" more expensive than normal Diesel #2! Bob Nixon, Chandler AZ 01 Sprint ST "RED" 50K miles http://bigrex.net/pictures >seems we'd rather use Diesel & fuel oils to power Airplanes (kerosene >is really Diesel #1 or very close to jet fuel). Errrr kero and diesel 1 are not the same thing. Jet fuel is kerosene! >Additionally, consider Europeans still pay twice the pump prices for >gasoline than we here in the USA/Canada. Twice? Not anymore! Unless you factor our piss cheap dollar into the equation. >3) Diesel engines have no air throttle, which makes them far more >efficient during stop-n-go for city driving. I suggest you visit a city with stop-n-go diesels. You'll find after the newness wears off the air becomes thick with particulates. They don't emissions test diesels. >4) With practical turbos (#2 above) Diesel engines produce more usable >power/torque at lower RPM's thus reducung noise and engine wear >compared to SI engines. Diesel engines are stupendously more expensive to build and the new high-turbo ones are not likely to see any additional service life beyond an SI engine. >>seems we'd rather use Diesel & fuel oils to power Airplanes (kerosene >>is really Diesel #1 or very close to jet fuel). > >Errrr kero and diesel 1 are not the same thing. Jet fuel is kerosene! Bzzzt....wrong answer. Kerosene & Diesel #1 are synonymous. Yellow Diesel #2 is what most folks use for fuel as it's less refined and has more BTU's/gallon/liter. Bunker sea oil is what the big container ship Diesels use for fuel. >>Additionally, consider Europeans still pay twice the pump prices for >>gasoline than we here in the USA/Canada. >> >Twice? Not anymore! Unless you factor our piss cheap dollar into the >equation. It's still twice or higher in many EU countries. We're currently paying $0.50 US per liter or ~E0.85 per liter for 87 octane gasoline. Diesel is about $0.69 US/liter or E0.80. What's the current price of Diesel in Germany? >>3) Diesel engines have no air throttle, which makes them far more >>efficient during stop-n-go for city driving. > >I suggest you visit a city with stop-n-go diesels. You'll find after >the newness wears off the air becomes thick with particulates. They >don't emissions test diesels. Wrong again! Even my old MB300TD had about the same city and highway mileage. Look at the rating on the VW TDI 43/49 city highway. Only the hybrid cars do that well and if we had some hybrid Diesel examples they'd do even better under city driving conditions. >>4) With practical turbos (#2 above) Diesel engines produce more usable >>power/torque at lower RPM's thus reducing noise and engine wear [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] >high-turbo ones are not likely to see any additional service life >beyond an SI engine. More expensive yes but your use of the term Stupendously is not warranted as usual;) As to service life, BS. Even the 80's MD TD's (15PSI boost) are good for 300-400,000 miles. BTW Dem, what Diesel cars have you owned??? Bob Nixon, Chandler AZ 01 Sprint ST "RED" 50K miles http://bigrex.net/pictures >>>seems we'd rather use Diesel & fuel oils to power Airplanes (kerosene >>>is really Diesel #1 or very close to jet fuel). [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] >Diesel is about $0.69 US/liter or E0.80. What's the current price of >Diesel in Germany? I paid 1.079 the other day...it hovers around that mark going up or down occasionally by a cent or so. >Bzzzt....wrong answer. Kerosene & Diesel #1 are synonymous. Nope. >It's still twice or higher in many EU countries. We're currently >paying $0.50 US per liter or ~E0.85 per liter for 87 octane gasoline. >Diesel is about $0.69 US/liter or E0.80. What's the current price of >Diesel in Germany? On which planet is the Euro cheaper than the dollar Bobbi? Dude, get your calculations right! Taxes vary wildly amongst the EC. Italy the highest, Greece the cheapest. At $3.77/gal, diesel in Greece is not 2X than the States! The most interesting thing I noted last time I was there is how much *more* the price of gas has gone up in the States vs. there. Couldn't be any Bushmonekey shennanigans now eh? >Wrong again! Even my old MB300TD had about the same city and highway >mileage. Never said a thing about mileage. Anyone who ever drove an aging Mercedes diesel on public roads should be taken out and shot. Or at least as one journo once opined, forced to breathe their tailpipe through the compartment vents. Try sitting in morning traffic in a highway full of such. The daily commute in Rome... >More expensive yes but your use of the term Stupendously is not >warranted as usual;) As to service life, BS. Even the 80's MD TD's >(15PSI boost) are good for 300-400,000 miles. Gas engines can do that handily. I know this because NYC is chock full of Taxis and limos with that kind of mileage. Of course they're belching blue smoke and are about done by then. But so's a diesel. Now price a gas rebuild and a similar diesel. >BTW Dem, what Diesel cars have you owned??? MB at the moment in Yoorope. Black with 6-spd manual. A real man's car! 38mpg and an indicated 150 on the Autostrada during a late-night ring rape. I ran the calculations and it's about 3X cheaper to own a diesel in Greece. Of course the commoners can't, only foreign citizens can apply for a passenger car exemption when they bring it in from out of country. >>Bzzzt....wrong answer. Kerosene & Diesel #1 are synonymous. > >Nope. See the link below Mr. THINKS HE KNOWS IT ALL BUT IS JUST A YOUNG CHEESDICK! http://www.brownoil.com/msdskerosene.htm >>It's still twice or higher in many EU countries. We're currently >>paying $0.50 US per liter or ~E0.85 per liter for 87 octane gasoline. [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] >Taxes vary wildly amongst the EC. Italy the highest, Greece the >cheapest. At $3.77/gal, diesel in Greece is not 2X than the States! Pretty close. >The most interesting thing I noted last time I was there is how much >*more* the price of gas has gone up in the States vs. there. Couldn't [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > >Never said a thing about mileage. Yes you DID!!! Remember how you argued so hard againt my "Gas engines suck" thread over in reeky a few years back?You insisted vacuum pumping losses in SI engines were insignificant. >Anyone who ever drove an aging Mercedes diesel on public roads should >be taken out and shot. Or at least as one journo once opined, forced >to breathe their tailpipe through the compartment vents. The 1980's MD 300D's were some of the few Diesel cars with particulte traps, back then. In fact, all the Califoria models between 1984-1987 had to have them. [...] >>More expensive yes but your use of the term Stupendously is not >>warranted as usual;) As to service life, BS. Even the 80's MD TD's >>(15PSI boost) are good for 300-400,000 miles. > >Gas engines can do that handily. Bull sh.t! name one! >I know this because NYC is chock full >of Taxis and limos with that kind of mileage. Of course they're >belching blue smoke and are about done by then. But so's a diesel. Sure NYC is full of Taxi's with 400K on the second to fifth engine. >Now price a gas rebuild and a similar diesel. I know Diesels are more expensive to rebuild. So what's your point other than being a young know-it-all cheesedick that can never admit he's wrong? >>BTW Dem, what Diesel cars have you owned??? > >MB at the moment in Yoorope. Black with 6-spd manual. A real man's >car! 38mpg and an indicated 150 on the Autostrada during a late-night >ring rape. Pictures please! [...] Bob Nixon 01 Sprint ST "RED" 50K Chandler,AZ http://bigrex.net/pictures >See the link below Mr. THINKS HE KNOWS IT ALL BUT IS JUST A YOUNG >CHEESDICK! I have no idea what that might be. I do however know that diesel #1 or 2 is not kerosene. http://www.mobil.com/USA-English/GFM/Products_Services/Fuels/Diesel_Fuels_FAQ.asp Relevant bit: "These differences come about because their respective applications differ; diesel fuels are used in internal combustion engines, heating oils in oil burners and kerosenes are used in lamps and non-vented heaters. In addition to these differences, the products are subject to different tax laws. A few of the differences are highlighted below. Diesel fuels have cetane specifications to assess combustion properties in diesel engines. They are also exposed to outdoor temperatures and relatively fine filtration. The most common measure for low-temperature fluidity is the cloud point. Neither heating oils nor kerosenes require cetane number or cloud point specs. In the United States, heating oils and kerosenes are not taxed as are over-the-road diesel fuels." See? Different specs. Just like Jet is kero too, but actually meeting certain requirements as opposed to typically meeting them. >Pretty close. Yep. Not twice as much. And while fuel in the US went up well over a dollar/gal in the EC it only climbed maybe half that. >Yes you DID!!! Remember how you argued so hard againt my "Gas engines >suck" thread over in reeky a few years back?You insisted vacuum pumping >losses in SI engines were insignificant. What does this have to do with my comments about aging diesels stinking bad? And if new diesels are so damn clean burning how come the CA emissions states banned them with the latest round of regs? Face it man, the Prius is still cleaner. And since it can be easily modified to run in electric only mode (only a switch on a dashboard they neglected to install in the N. American version) you can drive to work after an overnight charge. Do 100 miles for a dollar of electricity (or thereabouts)! >Bull sh.t! name one! My Ford V8 had 17X,XXX miles on it when I sold the car. It had plenty of life left. Wish I could say the same for the tranny and chassis. >Sure NYC is full of Taxi's with 400K on the second to fifth engine. They're puttering about on the same engine with maybe 300k. And belching blue smoke into your faceshield. And let me know when those little TDIs make it to 250+k with alarming regularity. >I know Diesels are more expensive to rebuild. So what's your point other >than being a young know-it-all cheesedick that can never admit he's >wrong? My point is if you factor in initial and rebuild cost the diesel still is an expensive option. >Pictures please! > >[...] Had I posted pics you'd be on my case for being a blowhard trying to impress you with my posessions. Now you ask for them to prove what exactly? That I've taken a picture of a Mercedes diesel? Come to think of it have you ever seen pics of my Speed Trip? Maybe I don't even ride Bobbi! Maybe it's just all in your head and I'm not even posting! But you should really try a late model Benz if you love diesels. Once you figure out the incredibly obtuse rear gear lockout and get underway within 4 miles you'd suddenly realize you'll have to sell your a.shole to have one. Give up riding even! It gives ups nothing (though a hot sparker might have a little more on top) but damn is that wave of torque something else. And it always returns a steady 38mpg. Upper 40s on the highway if you're a granny. >>See the link below Mr. THINKS HE KNOWS IT ALL BUT IS JUST A YOUNG >>CHEESDICK! [quoted text clipped - 20 lines] >United States, heating oils and kerosenes are not taxed as are >over-the-road diesel fuels." If anything Jet fuel has less a problem at low temps due to the additives. Also, both Diesel #2 & Kerosene=(Diesel #1) have native cetane ratings around 40. Actually this is usually enhanced using something similar to Amyl-nitrate to reduce Ignition delay or idle prattle and excessive smoke. BTW, my MB300D owner's manual states mixing Diesel #1 & #2 for cold weather operation. It actually uses the word KEROSINE! >See? Different specs. Just like Jet is kero too, but actually meeting >certain requirements as opposed to typically meeting them. I have more knowledge of Diesels and Jet engines in the tip of my finger than you've amassed in your lifetime. >>Pretty close. > [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] >What does this have to do with my comments about aging diesels >stinking bad? Your original argument was against my assertion that Diesels get better city mileage than SI engines due to the lack of throttling in the latter. Look back and stop equivocating. >And if new diesels are so damn clean burning how come the CA emissions >states banned them with the latest round of regs? [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] >work after an overnight charge. Do 100 miles for a dollar of >electricity (or thereabouts)! The Prius has a constant RPM SI engine. That's the difference. A hybrid Diesel would do even better. >>Bull sh.t! name one! > >My Ford V8 had 17X,XXX miles on it when I sold the car. It had plenty >of life left. Wish I could say the same for the tranny and chassis. How do you know how much it had left in it? My RX-7 Gen 1 had 160K miles when I sold it but it was beginning to leak oil. Did you do a compression and oil pressure test before selling the Ford? >>Sure NYC is full of Taxi's with 400K on the second to fifth engine. > >They're puttering about on the same engine with maybe 300k. And >belching blue smoke into your faceshield. ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ Exactly. >And let me know when those little TDIs make it to 250+k with alarming >regularity. [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] >impress you with my posessions. Now you ask for them to prove what >exactly? That I've taken a picture of a Mercedes diesel? [...] You just blew your whole argument! I'm done with this thread and the lack of anyone else who really UNDERSTANDS engines;) Bob Nixon, Chandler AZ 01 Sprint ST "RED" 50K miles http://bigrex.net/pictures >If anything Jet fuel has less a problem at low temps due to the >additives. Also, both Diesel #2 & Kerosene=(Diesel #1) have native [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] >mixing Diesel #1 & #2 for cold weather operation. It actually uses the >word KEROSINE! That's fine sweetie but saying Diesel 1 and kero are the same is like saying iso-octane and gasoline are the same. Not really. >I have more knowledge of Diesels and Jet engines in the tip of my >finger than you've amassed in your lifetime. Good for you but certainly not part of the discussion here eh? >Your original argument was against my assertion that Diesels get >better city mileage than SI engines due to the lack of throttling in >the latter. Look back and stop equivocating. Eh? Stop huffing your diesel's tailpipe and see clearly for a change. You said: >3) Diesel engines have no air throttle, which makes them far more >efficient during stop-n-go for city driving. I said: >I suggest you visit a city with stop-n-go diesels. You'll find after >the newness wears off the air becomes thick with particulates. They >don't emissions test diesels. To me this looks like I'm countering your comment about how wonderfully efficient diesels are in city driving with the reality of putting millions of not-so-perfectly running diesels in the same airspace of an urban environment. >The Prius has a constant RPM SI engine. That's the difference. A >hybrid Diesel would do even better. Certainly. They've gotten close to 100mpg out of diesel hybrids. But why add the spendier diesel on top of the already spendy hybrid drivetrain? At some point your added savings result in limited returns. I mean is spending an extra $4/week on gas vs. diesel going to offset the initial outlay? Not every station sells diesel. Of those that do, you'd better have a case of disposable gloves handy unless you enjoy reeking something awful! >How do you know how much it had left in it? My RX-7 Gen 1 had 160K >miles when I sold it but it was beginning to leak oil. Did you do a >compression and oil pressure test before selling the Ford? No. But it was running perfectly, no odd noise, no smoke, passed emissions with flying colors, same mileage as always, ZERO oil consumption.... all signs of a healthy motor. >Exactly. Yerp. About as much soot as a diesel with 300k miles on the clock! Point being emissions requirements should have taken both motors off the road. Yet curiously goobermints refuse to add particulates into their testing programs. All the while getting more annoying about unburned HC's. So a mint musclecar bigblock doesn't pass, but a blue smoke belching latemodel does! >You just blew your whole argument! I'm done with this thread and the >lack of anyone else who really UNDERSTANDS engines;) Try being less cryptic next time bro. We're not all channeling those ancient Indian spirits of the southwest during our desert twisty excursions. >Diesel engines produce more usable >power/torque at lower RPM's Warning! I am going to hijack this thread Bob. I am sorry.:-)For motorcycles the Buell shares this same quality. Some say that a high revving bike is the cats meow on the street but, as I have been saying for years in here for real world riding high torque numbers @ lower RPM's works best on the street. As Bob mentioned above more usable power. I have to agree with Bob on this and thanks for your keen insight and comparison between gas and diesel motors. Regards Mike >>Diesel engines produce more usable >>power/torque at lower RPM's [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > >Regards Big difference, Mike. Its called turbocharging and it's not practical on a MC. With turbocharging, the torque at any given RPM is higher than a NA engine. However a NA SI engine beats out a NA CI Diesel engine, so the MFGs must push more boost for the leaner running Diesel to match the power of a SI engine. The unthrottled nature of the Diesel also takes better advantage a turbo, as does the lack of octane concerns. Bob Nixon, Chandler AZ 01 Sprint ST "RED" 50K miles http://bigrex.net/pictures > >Well in the spirit of having flawlessly passed my driving test for my > >German drivers license this past monday, I thought I would actually [quoted text clipped - 31 lines] > higher priority in the US and pushes the price of all > hydrocarbon-"fossil based" fuels up in the wintertime. My problem with them is that they STINK! The smell makes me sick. > Additionally, consider Europeans still pay twice the pump prices for > gasoline than we here in the USA/Canada. So.... your relatively low [quoted text clipped - 20 lines] > engine. Example: UP to 55MPH a 1.9 liter 90HP VW TDI feels more like a > 180HP 3 liter V6 NA SI gasoline engine. SI engines can be made to put out low end power as well. Different cam timing and maybe a supercharger to put it on equal footing with a turbo diesel. > 5) Diesels, given the current injection / particulate trap technology > are actually cleaner burning, as quiet and produce equal to > HP per > liter compared to equivalent displacement "automotive" NA gasoline > engines. But they STINK! They may be cleaner than SI for the emissions tested, but there is no standard for stench yet. The worst offenders here are pickup trucks and others of that size. Quite often I can tell when there is one ahead before I can see it. Why they are worse than the big rigs I have no idea, but they are. The last few years I have noticed a strong sulfer smell coming from some of the big rigs. I'm not talking rotten eggs here, I'm talking the burn your eyes and nose smell of a battery being cooked by the charging system. Until these problems are addressed there are already too many diesels on the road. > Finally a question: When are we going to get off the dime in the > USA/Canada and get rid of our old prejudices of low power & smoke [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > the only motivation being driven by sub 100 IQ wannabee > "mother-truckers". Prejudices are at work both ways here. Some of the virtues sited for diesels are not just because they are diesels, but because they have evolved for a particular market. Everyone says diesels last longer than SI engines, but not all do. They got that reputation from their use in commercial equipment where longevity is a strong selling point. Those heavy castings to provide rigidity and large bearing surfaces make them last longer, but they also make heavy lumps. Who cares when you talking trucks? But when you start pearing metal off to lighten them for automotive use they lose something. I found two of your statements amusing. "Diesel engines produce more usable power/torque at lower RPM's thus reducung noise and engine wear compared to SI engines." and "So far, the only market for consumer Diesels is the stodgy and still intentionally noisy pickup market, with that heavy Dodge Cummins/Case tractor, low RPM, inline 6, noise maker, leading the pack in terms of confidence." Is low RPM a virtue or not? Also seems to disprove the low RPM=low noise theory. > [...] > > Bob Nixon, Chandler AZ > 01 Sprint ST "RED" 50K miles > http://bigrex.net/pictures >> >Well in the spirit of having flawlessly passed my driving test for my >> >German drivers license this past monday, I thought I would actually [quoted text clipped - 33 lines] > >My problem with them is that they STINK! The smell makes me sick. So does the smell of a pre-cat gas burner/beater/hot-rod or motorcycle with a power commander. Particularly Hondas;) >> Additionally, consider Europeans still pay twice the pump prices for >> gasoline than we here in the USA/Canada. So.... your relatively low [quoted text clipped - 24 lines] >timing and maybe a supercharger to put it on equal footing with a turbo >diesel. Not the same footing as a variable vane/pulsed Turbo-Diesel with the same displacement below 2000 RPM. >> 5) Diesels, given the current injection / particulate trap technology >> are actually cleaner burning, as quiet and produce equal to > HP per >> liter compared to equivalent displacement "automotive" NA gasoline >> engines. > >But they STINK! VW TDI's or those with particulate traps do not. >They may be cleaner than SI for the emissions tested, but there is no >standard for stench yet. You sound like an ignorant bigot but I'll go ahead and explain things to you. >The worst offenders here are pickup trucks >and others of that size. Quite often I can tell when there is one >ahead before I can see it. Why they are worse than the big rigs I have >no idea, but they are. Most are old. The new "big rigs" have better FI and some even have particulate traps. >The last few years I have noticed a strong >sulfer smell coming from some of the big rigs. I'm not talking rotten >eggs here, I'm talking the burn your eyes and nose smell of a battery >being cooked by the charging system. Until these problems are >addressed there are already too many diesels on the road. Funny, I notice that same smell under "certain conditions" on SI engines with catalytic converters. >> Finally a question: When are we going to get off the dime in the >> USA/Canada and get rid of our old prejudices of low power & smoke [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] >evolved for a particular market. Everyone says diesels last longer >than SI engines, but not all do. Of really? And exactly how many Diesels you owned. Big trucks do 1-million miles easy and oil changes at 50K mile intervals. 1500-1800 RPM does help with the wear problems:) Note that the word Diesel should always be capitalized as it reflects the inventor, "Rudolf Diesel's" name. >They got that reputation from their >use in commercial equipment where longevity is a strong selling point. [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > >I found two of your statements amusing. That's only because you're an ignoramus where your knowledge of the Diesel engine is concerned. BTW, Particulate traps kill all the smell you're taking about. I personally find Diesel exhaust has a sweeter smell than non-completely burned gasoline but neither is good for your health. >"Diesel engines produce more >usable power/torque at lower RPM's thus reducung noise and engine wear [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] >leading the pack in terms of confidence." Is low RPM a virtue or not? >Also seems to disprove the low RPM=low noise theory. The above is true. Now go back and read up on Diesel engines before you embarrass yourself with your gross ignorance/bigotry again. Bob Nixon, Chandler AZ 01 Sprint ST "RED" 50K miles http://bigrex.net/pictures > >> >Well in the spirit of having flawlessly passed my driving test for my > >> >German drivers license this past monday, I thought I would actually [quoted text clipped - 36 lines] > So does the smell of a pre-cat gas burner/beater/hot-rod or motorcycle > with a power commander. Particularly Hondas;) There's really no comparison IMO. Properly tuned pre-cat cars do not stink. *Some* cat equiped cars emit a sulfer smell. That should not be permitted, but is for some reason. And like I said below, not all Diesels stink, but some do big time. > >> Additionally, consider Europeans still pay twice the pump prices for > >> gasoline than we here in the USA/Canada. So.... your relatively low [quoted text clipped - 27 lines] > Not the same footing as a variable vane/pulsed Turbo-Diesel with the > same displacement below 2000 RPM. How many modern SI do you know of that were designed with low end grunt as a priority? SI engines are better suited to reving higher. That's what gearing is for. While it may not give the same mpg it can be in the ballpark if done right. Not all of us are interested in running in fuel economy competitions. If Diesles are so great, why is there not a single Diesel sportbike out there? (Note actual MC content here :) > >> 5) Diesels, given the current injection / particulate trap technology > >> are actually cleaner burning, as quiet and produce equal to > HP per [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > VW TDI's or those with particulate traps do not. Fine, bring them on, just ban the ones that do stink. Actually I'd like it demonstrated that they don't stink first. Your nose is a bit suspect ;) > >They may be cleaner than SI for the emissions tested, but there is no > >standard for stench yet. [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > Most are old. The new "big rigs" have better FI and some even have > particulate traps. Read it again. I was talking about pickups above, not big rigs. I hope it's not the new big rigs that are making the sulfer smell. Like I said, it just started in the last few years. > >The last few years I have noticed a strong > >sulfer smell coming from some of the big rigs. I'm not talking rotten [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > Funny, I notice that same smell under "certain conditions" on SI > engines with catalytic converters. I totally agree that they should not be allowed out of the factory if they are going to smell like that under normal conditions. Most seldom if ever smell like that. (Gotta tread lightly here, I still ride my old H2 now and then :) > >> Finally a question: When are we going to get off the dime in the > >> USA/Canada and get rid of our old prejudices of low power & smoke [quoted text clipped - 18 lines] > 1-million miles easy and oil changes at 50K mile intervals. 1500-1800 > RPM does help with the wear problems:) I don't want no stinking POS Diesel ;) Seriously, If the new ones correct the problems I have seen up until now I would buy one. The problems? 1. Weight. They are heavy. The higher CR alone requires heavier castings. 2. Noise. From the coffee can full of marbles when you start them to the excessive valve clatter when you rev them. 3. Response. I don't like heavy flywheel effects, and Diesels need heavy flywheels to overcome the high CR at low rpm. 4. Cost. You pay a healthy premium for a Diesel, especially something like a variable vane/pulsed Turbo-Diesel. If it can't do something better than a SI engine why should I get it. Fuel mileage is not my top priority. Even if it was, how long will it take a TDI to pay back the higher purchase price? > Note that the word Diesel should always be capitalized as it reflects > the inventor, "Rudolf Diesel's" name. Noted > >They got that reputation from their > >use in commercial equipment where longevity is a strong selling point. [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > I personally find Diesel exhaust has a sweeter smell than > non-completely burned gasoline but neither is good for your health. A couple of times I have been behind Diesels that smelled like a fast food joint or peanut vendor. That was almost pleasent. Of course I didn't have to put up with it too long. It may have gotten annoying after the novelty wore off. > >"Diesel engines produce more > >usable power/torque at lower RPM's thus reducung noise and engine wear [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > 01 Sprint ST "RED" 50K miles > http://bigrex.net/pictures Below lies the crux of you false bias against Diesels. >I don't want no stinking POS Diesel ;) Seriously, If the new ones >correct the problems I have seen up until now I would buy one. The >problems? > >1. Weight. They are heavy. The higher CR alone requires heavier >castings. Not any more. Metalurgy has avanced to the point of titanium rods & valves + chrome moly alloys and closer machining tolerances than just ten years ago. As example, would a 17,500RPM RL R6 been doable just a few years ago? >2. Noise. From the coffee can full of marbles when you start them to >the excessive valve clatter when you rev them. You've not even heard a modern automotive Diesel. Due to advances in common rail, high pressure multiple injection per firing; a pilot squirt allows a minimum of ignition delay ( the main source of Diesel clatter & smoke). >3. Response. I don't like heavy flywheel effects, and Diesels need >heavy flywheels to overcome the high CR at low rpm. Some but not like the old days and you've obviously never heard of the two stroke (closed crankcase Diesel engine). Note the advances in metalurgy have helped here as well. >4. Cost. You pay a healthy premium for a Diesel, especially something >like a variable vane/pulsed Turbo-Diesel. If it can't do something >better than a SI engine why should I get it. Fuel mileage is not my >top priority. Even if it was, how long will it take a TDI to pay back >the higher purchase price? Here's your punch line. "Fuel economy not important". Nice try at weaseling out of your silly Diesel bigotry/ignorance. >> Note that the word Diesel should always be capitalized as it reflects >> the inventor, "Rudolf Diesel's" name. [quoted text clipped - 21 lines] >didn't have to put up with it too long. It may have gotten annoying >after the novelty wore off. That was Bio-Diesel. [...] Bob Nixon 01 Sprint ST "RED" 50K Chandler,AZ http://bigrex.net/pictures > Below lies the crux of you false bias against Diesels. > [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > ten years ago. As example, would a 17,500RPM RL R6 been doable just a > few years ago? The R6 is a Diesel? The light weight components listed are also being used in SI engines that are continuing to improve. They help the engines tolerate revs but don't save a lot of weight. Try comparing weight of blocks, cranksafts and flywheels. As for the 17,500 rpm R6, the 1989 Honda NR750 street bike would do over 15,000 RPM and the 1980 NR500 would do something like 22,000 RPM, so a 17,500 RPM NR600 could have been done twenty years ago. And I don't think you'll find much titanium in that R6 either. > >2. Noise. From the coffee can full of marbles when you start them to > >the excessive valve clatter when you rev them. [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > allows a minimum of ignition delay ( the main source of Diesel clatter & > smoke). Could very well be that I haven't heard a modern automotive Diesel. There aren't many around. If they are quiet and don't smoke or stink they may have snuck by me. But I have still seen way to many "new" Diesels that are still noisy, smoke and stink. > >3. Response. I don't like heavy flywheel effects, and Diesels need > >heavy flywheels to overcome the high CR at low rpm. > > Some but not like the old days and you've obviously never heard of the > two stroke (closed crankcase Diesel engine). Note the advances in > metalurgy have helped here as well. I'm well aware of two stroke Diesels. "Not like the old days" still leaves a lot of room for improvement. > >4. Cost. You pay a healthy premium for a Diesel, especially something > >like a variable vane/pulsed Turbo-Diesel. If it can't do something [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > Here's your punch line. "Fuel economy not important". Nice try at > weaseling out of your silly Diesel bigotry/ignorance. I did not say "not important", I said "not my top priority". There's a difference. I put up with driving a little underpowered shitbox for a while in an effort to save on gas. Eventually the overworked little engine swallowed a valve. The replacement was considerably larger, more powerful and comfortable. It gets about 5 mpg less than the little shitbox did. Considering I live 8 miles from work, that's not a big deal. When the gas prices get stupid I just limit my long trips. > >> Note that the word Diesel should always be capitalized as it reflects > >> the inventor, "Rudolf Diesel's" name. [quoted text clipped - 30 lines] > Chandler,AZ > http://bigrex.net/pictures >> Below lies the crux of you false bias against Diesels. >> [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > >The R6 is a Diesel? Are you really that stupid to not understand my point of relativity? >The light weight components listed are also being >used in SI engines that are continuing to improve. They help the [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] >NR500 would do something like 22,000 RPM, so a 17,500 RPM NR600 could >have been done twenty years ago There is a HUGE difference between performance at any cost and an $8500 R6 production bike with steel valve springs and titanium rods & valves spinning 17.5K RPM. >And I don't think you'll find much >titanium in that R6 either. See about or read the pamphlets on the new R6. Look, whatever the F*ck your name really is, you're digging yourself in a deeper hole with each and every reply in this thread. It's all too obvious you're sorely out of your league and have stooped to the level of trying to just save face now, Either read up, listen or just bail out of the thread, No one will even notice at this point;) >> >2. Noise. From the coffee can full of marbles when you start them to >> >the excessive valve clatter when you rev them. Again you're talking about Diesels 30 years old. And that's not valve clatter but ignition delay. >> You've not even heard a modern automotive Diesel. Due to advances in >> common rail, high pressure multiple injection per firing; a pilot squirt [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] >Could very well be that I haven't heard a modern automotive Diesel. >There aren't many around. There may not be many around where you live but in the rest of the world they are plentiful.. >If they are quiet and don't smoke or stink >they may have snuck by me. But I have still seen way to many "new" >Diesels that are still noisy, smoke and stink. We're behind in the USA, I'll be the 1st to admit this. >> >3. Response. I don't like heavy flywheel effects, and Diesels need >> >heavy flywheels to overcome the high CR at low rpm. [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] >I'm well aware of two stroke Diesels. "Not like the old days" still >leaves a lot of room for improvement. But as usual you've missed the intricacy of relativity here. Two stroke, by their nature, do not require heavy flywheels as there is a power stoke on each and every down stroke of the piston. Thus a flywheel can be lighter due to the higher momentum. >> >4. Cost. You pay a healthy premium for a Diesel, especially something >> >like a variable vane/pulsed Turbo-Diesel. If it can't do something [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] >little shitbox did. Considering I live 8 miles from work, that's not a >big deal. When the gas prices get stupid I just limit my long trips. Your still juggling with non relating points to weasel out of your original argument. >> >> Note that the word Diesel should always be capitalized as it reflects >> >> the inventor, "Rudolf Diesel's" name. [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] >> >> >you talking trucks? But when you start pearing metal off to lighten >> >> >them for automotive use they lose something. Read up on modern aluminum block & head Diesels, There are plenty including the 6V-53TA. A 513Cubic Inch, 60 degree V6, two stroke Diesel with 400HP. That's better than an early Z06. [...] Bob Nixon 01 Sprint ST "RED" 50K Chandler,AZ http://bigrex.net/pictures > >> Below lies the crux of you false bias against Diesels. > >> [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > > Are you really that stupid to not understand my point of relativity? Are you so stupid you can't tell a joke without a smilely face after it? My point was SI engines are getting the same bennefits from new materials as Diesels. They are a moving target. Both are getting better. > >The light weight components listed are also being > >used in SI engines that are continuing to improve. They help the [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > R6 production bike with steel valve springs and titanium rods & valves > spinning 17.5K RPM. You just asked if it was doable and I showed it was. > >And I don't think you'll find much > >titanium in that R6 either. [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > now, Either read up, listen or just bail out of the thread, No one will > even notice at this point;) My name is Bruce S Richmond. I've never tried to hide that. So the R6 uses titanium rods and valves, saving how much weight? That's what my complaint was about. What part of, "They help the engines tolerate revs but don't save a lot of weight." did you not understand? > >> >2. Noise. From the coffee can full of marbles when you start them to > >> >the excessive valve clatter when you rev them. > > Again you're talking about Diesels 30 years old. And that's not valve > clatter but ignition delay. Whatever it is, it is a discusting amount of noise. And it is from many of the new Diesels sold around here. Sure, they are 30+ year old designs, but that's what they are selling here now. > >> You've not even heard a modern automotive Diesel. Due to advances in > >> common rail, high pressure multiple injection per firing; a pilot squirt [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > There may not be many around where you live but in the rest of the world > they are plentiful.. Fine, if they ever find their way here I will check them out. > >If they are quiet and don't smoke or stink > >they may have snuck by me. But I have still seen way to many "new" > >Diesels that are still noisy, smoke and stink. > > We're behind in the USA, I'll be the 1st to admit this. Wow, I don't believe it. I finally got through ;) (ducks and runs) > >> >3. Response. I don't like heavy flywheel effects, and Diesels need > >> >heavy flywheels to overcome the high CR at low rpm. [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > stoke on each and every down stroke of the piston. Thus a flywheel can > be lighter due to the higher momentum. I understand the concept. I don't recall seeing any cars with two stroke Diesels advertised around here. Care to name a few? > >> >4. Cost. You pay a healthy premium for a Diesel, especially something > >> >like a variable vane/pulsed Turbo-Diesel. If it can't do something [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] > Your still juggling with non relating points to weasel out of your > original argument. What non related points? Other than mileage what does the Diesel have going for it? Power to weight? Not against an equally tweeked SI. Responsiveness? Lack of vibration? Longevity? Not against a SI of equal cost. Maintenence? I doubt it. My current car still has its original spark plugs at 150,000 miles. They work just fine with the distributorless CDI. Other than oil and filter changes the only thing the engine has needed is a serpentine belt. It has a chain driving the dual overhead cams which is doing fine. It does not smoke in the least and I do not need to add oil between changes. What advantage do I get by buying a Diesel? > >> >> Note that the word Diesel should always be capitalized as it reflects > >> >> the inventor, "Rudolf Diesel's" name. [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > including the 6V-53TA. A 513Cubic Inch, 60 degree V6, two stroke Diesel > with 400HP. That's better than an early Z06. What cars sold around here have these? > [...] > > Bob Nixon > 01 Sprint ST "RED" 50K > Chandler,AZ > http://bigrex.net/pictures [...] big snip, end of thread, >> Read up on modern aluminum block & head Diesels, There are plenty >> including the 6V-53TA. A 513Cubic Inch, 60 degree V6, two stroke Diesel >> with 400HP. That's better than an early Z06. That was a typo on my part. That's 318 cubic inches or 5.3 liters @ 400HP & 700+ foot pounts of torque. >What cars sold around here have these? None. Just military vehicles. Bob Nixon 01 Sprint ST &q |
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