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Motorcycle Forum / General / Sportbikes / January 2006Bay Area DJ advocates "dooring" lane sharing riders
A local DJ, recently transplanted from the east coast was on air during the moring commmute last week, advocating that motorists attack lane-sharing motorcyclists by opening their doors in to the path of riders. See the Bay Area Riders forum link below for the response of the riding community. Here is a partial quote from some DJ dweeb named Woody at Live 105 Radio San Francisco: "One of my pet-peeves is people on motorcycles who think they don't have to wait in traffic like everybody else... Nothing would make me happier than to watch somebody, and I've actually seen this happen, somebody open a door and take you out as you are trying to squeeze through..." - DJ Woody 01-12-06 The Bay Area Riders Forum has risen up in response. You might want to add your two cents as well. Link to BARF: http://www.bayarearidersforum.com/forums/showthread.php?s=1722f014a7237c7e8455b4 a79fd39834&threadid=149060&perpage=15&pagenumber=1 Link to station: http://www.live105.com/interact/contact/default.htm My personal opinion is that they should be charged with a criminal offense, and the station sanctioned by the FCC.  SignatureJim Stinnett VTR1000 R1100RS YZF R1 http://www.moto-rama.com > My personal opinion is that they should be charged with a criminal offense, > and the station sanctioned by the FCC. F%#k'n w.nkers! I e-mailed the station voicing my disgust.....I bet they won't be expecting a comment from NZ. Per jim stinnett: > attack lane-sharing >motorcyclists by opening their doors in to the path of riders. In front of a 500-pound-plus motorcycle? Regardless of what happened to the bike/rider it sounds like the perpetrator's car would get some serious damage - as in needing a door replaced and the door mounts bent back into shape. Not to mention possible injury to the driver as the vehicle is thrown off course and/or the bike flips inward. Could this be a resurrection of that story about somebody advocating the same practice against bicycle riders? I did a cursory search of www.snopes.com, but didn't come up with anything. SignaturePeteCresswell > Per jim stinnett: >> attack lane-sharing [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > the same practice against bicycle riders? I did a cursory search of > www.snopes.com, but didn't come up with anything. Damn bicycle riders... tree-huggers, the whole lot of them!!!!! ;) SignaturePhil, Squid-in-Training >>Per jim stinnett: >> [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > > Damn bicycle riders... tree-huggers, the whole lot of them!!!!! ;) http://www.arcataeye.com/011706CriticalMass.shtml http://www.eurekareporter.com/ArticleDisplay.aspx?ArticleID=7518 Not that anything he said is justifiable, but the guy thought lane splitting was illegal. He apaprently didn't know that you can do that in his new home town... He's also offered to pay for the station's DJs to go to the MSF course and agreed to take it himself. Seems like a real stupid comment is being followed up with a real effort to undo what he has the power to undo. The damage is done... He can't fix it, but he seems to realise his error. ...I still sent a complaint. <grin> See http://www.live105.com/music/co-op/default.htm for more details. Joe in Northern, NJ - V#8013-R Currently Riding The "Mother Ship" Ride a motorcycle in or near NJ? http://tinyurl.com/4zkw8 http://www.youthelate.com >A local DJ, recently transplanted from the east coast was on air during the >moring commmute last week, advocating that motorists attack lane-sharing [quoted text clipped - 21 lines] > My personal opinion is that they should be charged with a criminal > offense, and the station sanctioned by the FCC. > Not that anything he said is justifiable, but the guy thought lane > splitting was illegal. He apaprently didn't know that you can do that > in his new home town... Illegal or not, dooring a rider is still assault. ab >> Not that anything he said is justifiable, but the guy thought lane >> splitting was illegal. He apaprently didn't know that you can do that >> in his new home town... > > Illegal or not, dooring a rider is still assault. Absolutely. And threatening to do it is "Terroristic Threats" here in NJ - similar to harassment. SignatureJoe in Northern, NJ - V#8013-R Currently Riding The "Mother Ship" Ride a motorcycle in or near NJ? http://tinyurl.com/4zkw8 http://www.youthelate.com >A local DJ, recently transplanted from the east coast was on air during the >moring commmute last week, advocating that motorists attack lane-sharing [quoted text clipped - 21 lines] >My personal opinion is that they should be charged with a criminal offense, >and the station sanctioned by the FCC. ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ Prediction! This guy will lose his job over this one. If he's stupid enought to say THAT over the airwaves, he'll pull another bonner real soon that will get him fired. Bob Nixon, Chandler AZ 01 Sprint ST "RED" 52K miles http://bigrex.net/pictures > Prediction! This guy will lose his job over this one. If he's stupid > enought to say THAT over the airwaves, he'll pull another bonner real > soon that will get him fired. I don't think he will. The irony of this whole thing is the very first commercial to air after this segment of the show was for Bay Area Yamaha. The Yamaha dealer wasn't listening to the radio, but a bunch of angry riders let them know immediately. The dealer contacted the station and was invited to come to the station and talk on the air with the DJs about riding, the fact lane splitting is legal and the need for all road users to share. The DJ seemed genuinely sorry that he'd said this, though his first few attempts at apologizing were temptered by excuses (I didn't know splitting was legal, etc). He sent a post to the Bay Area Riders' Forum (BARF -- I'm not kidding) today giving an unmitigated apology. He has also agreed to take MSF, the Yamaha dealer said he'll loan him a bike for a day so he can go be in our shoes for a little while. Sounds like the station will begin airing a series of public service announcements about sharing the road by week's end. I don't know that you could get a better outcome by having the guy fired. Here's the copy of the DJ's apology: ==================================================== Begin Quote THE POST FOR BARF ==================================================== First, let me apologize to everyone for causing such a stir. Believe it or not this wasn't any kind of "stunt" to try to get listeners or anything.......what sense would that make? Anyway, I'm really sorry and I've tried to take it back a million times so far, and have advocated lane splitting and encouraged people to STOP PHUCKING WITH PEOPLE ON MOTORCYCLES on the roads, since the initial comment on the 12th. At this point I don't know what else I can say other than I'm sorry and trust me, message received loud and clear......don't phuck with bikers. Ya'll are amazing at sticking together. Besides taking the safety class (which I'll do, I'm actually really looking forward to it. I've always wanted to learn how to ride) I've got some other things cookin' in an attempt to "make good" with you guys and biker broads. Including, but not limited to running some awareness Public Service Announcements about lane sharing.....lots have been asking and suggesting that. So consider it done. They'll be on by weeks end. Is there somewhere I can get some specifics.....facts? We'll need to write copy. Don't take this out on Dan at Bay Area Yamaha, he had nothing to do with this, and trust me when I tell you he gave an earful to everyone here at the radio station about his displeasure over the situation. You can hate me, that's fine.....I'll understand. But Dan wasn't involved in the original segment, and has done nothing but be a stand-up guy and defend motorcycling. He's got it right though.......as do most of you on this board.......let's try to turn this into a positive. We on the morning show will be more than happy to help promote a charity event, or something else of the ilk to help get the word out. Again, I'm really sorry. Not that you have to believe me, but it's my hope that over time all of you can see that I'm not an evil guy. Just a dumb radio DJ. Lesson learned. Woody (yes that Woody) Live 105 ==================================================== End Quote ==================================================== ab > _Bob_Nixon <bilbo@nospam.com> wrote in > The DJ seemed genuinely sorry that he'd said this, though his first few > attempts at apologizing were temptered by excuses (I didn't know > splitting was legal, etc). having read his "apology" and listened to his Scott Mclellan-esque attempt to disavow his own words, squirelling around what he actually said with his own lips, I don't buy any of it. This guy is NOT sincere, and apparently has been fired before for another incident at another station. His motives for aplogizing are simply to get his own sorry a.s out of a sling. I don't see how an apology can undo the harm of something like that. My remedy: Fire his a.s Revoke his FCC license Send him back to NYC, on a Greyhound Bus Revoke the license of the station Dismantle the transmitter Sell the parts to destructive maniacs for a dollar Bulldoze the studio Hold both the DJ and station owner finacially and criminally responsible for any related damages Then we can talk amends. Jim Stinnett YZF R1 VTR1000 R1100RS http://moto-rama.com > > _Bob_Nixon <bilbo@nospam.com> wrote in > > The DJ seemed genuinely sorry that he'd said this, though his first few [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > My remedy: > Fire his a.s No, just fire him. Put his a.s out to pasture. Wasn't his fault. > Revoke his FCC license > Send him back to NYC, on a Greyhound Bus Heh. I used to live on Colorado. Occasionally, I'd see a bumpersticker that read, "I <heart> NY". I once saw a bumpersticker that read, "If you <heart> NY, then get on I-70 East". > Revoke the license of the station > Dismantle the transmitter > Sell the parts to destructive maniacs for a dollar Neaah. Sell them to an NPR or other public radio station for cheap. > Bulldoze the studio > Hold both the DJ and station owner finacially and criminally responsible for > any related damages > > Then we can talk amends. This reminds me of my silly proposal for a Really Secure way to dispose of Secret Documents: shred them, bury them in peat for ten years, dig them up and use them as fertilizer for trees, pulp the trees, make paper, burn that, and spread the ashes over a landfill in NJ. SignatureTimberwoof <me at timberwoof dot com> faq: http://www.timberwoof.com/motorcycle/faq.shtml >> Prediction! This guy will lose his job over this one. If he's stupid >> enought to say THAT over the airwaves, he'll pull another bonner real [quoted text clipped - 19 lines] >I don't know that you could get a better outcome by having the guy >fired. Here's the copy of the DJ's apology: Listen to him apologize: http://www.live105.com/music/audio/friday_morning.rm He sounds really sincere with his apology........NOT. This guy is a first class moron. Regards Mike > Listen to him apologize: > > http://www.live105.com/music/audio/friday_morning.rm > > He sounds really sincere with his apology........NOT. This guy is a > first class moron. Yes, that was one of the earlier qualified apologies. The one I posted seems to have at least provisionally mollified most people. There are some who won't be happy unless the guy is fired. I've had the unpopular view that, even though it was an ignorant and callous thing for him to say originally, I really think his viewpoint has changed. Whether or not it has, I don't buy that his remark will cause anyone to act out on a rider. One BARF poster was trying to tell me to crawl back under my rock when I expressed this, so I suggested to her that she might want to consider alternative transportation for a couple weeks while this blows over, seeing as how she thinks this DJ has endangered all motorcyclists. I said she probably won't though, because deep down she doesn't believe someone will actually door a rider over this any more than I do. Haven't heard anything from her since. I personally would prefer to see the issue turn into positive messages about riding. Best outcome. Second best is everyone shuts up, goes home and lets the public forget about it. They will; we're the ones who keep going on about it. Whether the DJ gets fired or not, I very much doubt he'll ever utter a negative word about a rider on air again. He and the station got an enormous amount of pressure that they're going to be dealing with for some time, I suspect. ab "Andy Burnett" > I've had the unpopular view that, even though it was an ignorant and > callous thing for him to say originally, I really think his viewpoint has > changed. His viewpoint isn't the issue really. It's what came out of his mouth, not what he was/is thinking. Don't you think that there are already some morons who would respond to the DJ's remarks by taking it to the next step and actually doing it? If you spend any time commuting on two wheels on let's say 101, 880, 80, 280 you are aware that the roads are already populated with unstable homicidal maniacs, so anyone that would encourage an assault on others should be held responsible. (don't believe me? ride with me to work any day of the week, from Brotherhood Way in SF to the Crystal Springs exit in San Bruno) What's at stake here are actual lives, I don't think his job is comparable, at all. SignatureJim Stinnett R1100RS VTR1000 YZF R1 http://moto-rama.com > His viewpoint isn't the issue really. It's what came out of his mouth, > not what he was/is thinking. What initially came out of his mouth was likely forgotten by most everybody by Saturday morning (comments made Thursday). I think we're the only ones who really remember it by now. > Don't you think that there are already some morons who would respond > to the DJ's remarks by taking it to the next step and actually doing > it? No, I honestly don't. Have you stopped commuting on your bike because of this? If you haven't, I would suggest you don't really believe it either. > If you spend any time commuting on two wheels on let's say 101, > 880, 80, 280 you are aware that the roads are already populated with [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > Springs exit in San Bruno) What's at stake here are actual lives, I > don't think his job is comparable, at all. Did you hear the original broadcast? A lot of people who have share your view, but just as many people who keep ranting about this didn't hear the broadcast, but instead read the excerpted quotes online. I'm just curious if you've heard it. The DJ was backpedaling even before the phone started ringing -- practically in the same breath. He's certainly used a lot more airtime about the need to share the lane and how he was wrong to make his original comment than he did making the comment in the first place. Some people think that makes a difference, while others feel that you can't stuff the bullet back into the gun. ab >> His viewpoint isn't the issue really. It's what came out of his mouth, >> not what he was/is thinking. [quoted text clipped - 30 lines] > Some people think that makes a difference, while others feel that you > can't stuff the bullet back into the gun. I listened to the archived file of that particular broadcast, and it is actually even more inflammatory if you here the others in the studio agreeing with "woody". I will see if I can find a file of it online and put up a link to it. You might not be so forgiving if you heard it. No I will not stop commuting by bike, since my car was killed off by one of those above-mentioned commuters a few weeks back. No, I won't consider getting back into my car, until the rain starts pouring out of the sky again. "jim stinnett" <js@idunno.com> wrote in news:ThFBf.15588$Jd.6062 @newssvr25.news.prodigy.net: > You might not be so forgiving if you heard it. I've heard the broadcast. ab > My personal opinion is that they should be charged with a criminal offense, and the station sanctioned by the FCC. My personal opinion is that he needs pool cue enema. > A local DJ, recently transplanted from the east coast was on air during the > moring commmute last week, advocating that motorists attack lane-sharing > motorcyclists by opening their doors in to the path of riders. Seems to me like your typical Eastern-know-it-all telling the westerns how to do things "the right way". Canada is no different, where folk from the over populated east seem to think that they're any smarter than their western counterparts. Often they get beat up round these bands when they show such arrogance. Guess this dj needs a quick lesson on how the western educational system works. These big mouth DJs are morons. We have them here around Chicago\Milwaukee too. FM radio just plain sucks. If you are listening to it for music forget it. They play very little and what they do play is crap anyway. Most stations are controlled by some huge corporate entity. I remember FM back in the mid 70s. Now that was cool. No commericals and DJs with brains. >A local DJ, recently transplanted from the east coast was on air during the >moring commmute last week, advocating that motorists attack lane-sharing [quoted text clipped - 21 lines] >My personal opinion is that they should be charged with a criminal offense, >and the station sanctioned by the FCC. Regards Mike >These big mouth DJs are morons. We have them here around >Chicago\Milwaukee too. FM radio just plain sucks. If you are >listening to it for music forget it. They play very little and what >they do play is crap anyway. Most stations are controlled by some >huge corporate entity. I remember FM back in the mid 70s. Now that >was cool. No commericals and DJs with brains. Oh and check this out. Their playlist for the week just 34 songs over and over again. http://www.live105.com/music/playlist/default.htm What a joke of a radio station. >>A local DJ, recently transplanted from the east coast was on air during the >>moring commmute last week, advocating that motorists attack lane-sharing [quoted text clipped - 25 lines] > >Mike Regards Mike > >These big mouth DJs are morons. We have them here around > >Chicago\Milwaukee too. FM radio just plain sucks. If you are [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > > What a joke of a radio station. Joke is right! The dweeb who types up the playlist in Dreamweaver[1] puts his own name in the credits. [1] I looked at the code. It looks like code that Dreamweaver produces. What was it that the jock called someone in "The Breakfast Club"--neo-maxie zoom-dweeble? Can't even make the edges of the tape recorder show up right in the animated GIF. SignatureTimberwoof <me at timberwoof dot com> faq: http://www.timberwoof.com/motorcycle/faq.shtml "Timberwoof" <timberwoof.spam@infernosoft.com> > [1] I looked at the code. It looks like code that Dreamweaver produces. <body> What's wrong with <strong>Dreamweaver </strong>code anyway? It sure looks cleaner than front page or NetObjects. </body> <if you know what I mean</> SignatureJim Stinnett R1100RS VTR1000 YZF R1 http://moto-rama.com > "Timberwoof" <timberwoof.spam@infernosoft.com> > [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > > <if you know what I mean</> Nothing's wrong with Dreamweaver; I use it so I can spare brainpower on the important stuff. I'm just saying that one doesn't have to be a genius to use it to make web pages and that "the guy who typed up the web page" isn't really something I expected to see in page credits. SignatureTimberwoof <me at timberwoof dot com> faq: http://www.timberwoof.com/motorcycle/faq.shtml > >These big mouth DJs are morons. We have them here around > >Chicago\Milwaukee too. FM radio just plain sucks. If you are [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > > What a joke of a radio station. I dunno. It's a good backup station that I can turn to when 107.7[1] is playing a song I don't like. Live 105 also has some good dj'd stuff on fridays. They USED to have Stern in the mornings. And if it's after 10PM and I'm in the car I can listen to "Loveline"... always good for a laugh. -- Michael [1] "The Bone rocks!" http://www.1077thebone.com/listenlive.html http://www.1077thebone.com/lastplayed.html > A local DJ, recently transplanted from the east coast was on air during the > moring commmute last week, advocating that motorists attack lane-sharing [quoted text clipped - 22 lines] > My personal opinion is that they should be charged with a criminal offense, > and the station sanctioned by the FCC. Last week when the story broke, I called the radio station to complain. I also called up the CHP. The public affairs officer I spoke to was already familiar with the case and said he would have a talk with the station manager tomorrow (Tuesday). I thanked him for taking it seriously. If the guy gets fired, call the radio station to thank them and call the CHP to thank them for watching out for our safety. :-) Then, if -- heaven forbid! -- anyone ever gets doored, we must all raise a severe stink about it to the CHP (or your local version) and the DA in whatever jurisdiction that happens in. SignatureTimberwoof <me at timberwoof dot com> faq: http://www.timberwoof.com/motorcycle/faq.shtml > Then, if -- heaven forbid! -- > anyone ever gets doored, we must all raise a severe stink about it to > the CHP (or your local version) and the DA in whatever jurisdiction > that happens in. Yes, after all, nobody else has ever independently thought of dooring a rider. Get real. ab > > Then, if -- heaven forbid! -- > > anyone ever gets doored, we must all raise a severe stink about it to [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > Yes, after all, nobody else has ever independently thought of dooring a > rider. Get real. So what's wrong with pressuring the DA to file appropriate charges against somebody who does that? SignatureTimberwoof <me at timberwoof dot com> faq: http://www.timberwoof.com/motorcycle/faq.shtml >> > Then, if -- heaven forbid! -- >> > anyone ever gets doored, we must all raise a severe stink about it [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > So what's wrong with pressuring the DA to file appropriate charges > against somebody who does that? I may have jumped the gun, TW. I had taken your comment to mean that we should send the DA after the DJ if someone got doored. Other people on BARF have been suggesting things along that line and I find that silly at this point. If you really meant that we should press the DA to file charges against anyone who doors a rider, I'm sorry for jumping on you and agree completely. ab >A local DJ, recently transplanted from the east coast was on >air during the moring commmute last week, advocating that [quoted text clipped - 23 lines] > My personal opinion is that they should be charged with a > criminal offense, and the station sanctioned by the FCC. I called the station manager and he said they got a lot of complaints last week and had handled it with free air time, and public education about lane splitting and that they talked to the DJ doood...'who was taken out of context'..... I read the station manager the quote above and asked how on earth could that be taken out of context... then he changed his tune a bit to indicate that the DJ got a talking to. My expererience in this area with lane splitting almost 100% cooperation so far is good. many people move over for me. My first experience though the day after I bought my first bike in 1962, a 305 honda super hawk...I was just learning to ride and a guy tried to run me off the road on a curved bridge going into sacramento on I- 80.. 2 miles before you hit the alphabet streets in down town Since then it hasnt happened. Phil Scott "Phil Scott" <philscott@philscott.net> wrote in message > My first experience though the day after I bought my first bike in 1962, a > 305 honda super hawk...I was just learning to ride and a guy tried to run > me off the road on a curved bridge going into sacramento on I- 80.. Maybe it was those bell bottoms and head band that pissed him off.... Of course you were ahead of your time, since that stuff wasn't popular till '66-67----- SignatureJim Stinnett R1100RS VTR1000 YZF R1 http://moto-rama.com |
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