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Motorcycle Forum / General / Sportbikes / January 2006State Borders.......
I see on a lot of the US 'Cop' type shows that people head for the state line when they are being chased (insert 'on sportsbikes' to remain on topic and keep some peoples blood pressures under control). Is crossing the state line like a 'get out of jail free' card and you will remain free unless you go back to that state? >I see on a lot of the US 'Cop' type shows that people head for the state >line when they are being chased (insert 'on sportsbikes' to remain on >topic and keep some peoples blood pressures under control). > >Is crossing the state line like a 'get out of jail free' card and you >will remain free unless you go back to that state? No or at least no more. They're nail ya or call ahead to the next states police. It could then become a federal case but they've still got you. Bob Nixon 01 Sprint ST "RED" 52K Chandler,AZ http://bigrex.net/pictures >> I see on a lot of the US 'Cop' type shows that people head for the state >> line when they are being chased (insert 'on sportsbikes' to remain on [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > Chandler,AZ > http://bigrex.net/pictures So the police from one state have to stop at the border and let the next states cops take over, or can they continue the chase until more help arrives? What constitutes a 'Federal' crime? (I'm assuming that it's more important than a 'State' crime)....like speeding for example, is that Federal or State? >>> I see on a lot of the US 'Cop' type shows that people head for the state >>> line when they are being chased (insert 'on sportsbikes' to remain on [quoted text clipped - 18 lines] >important than a 'State' crime)....like speeding for example, is that >Federal or State? Speeding would be state... But fleeing from the police across state borders is not speeding anymore, but I suppose in a case such as due to speeding, they will prolly just hand you over to the appropriate state. I guess it could go either state or federal though depending on the mood of the officers. Either way its a stupid idea, only way to outrun a motorola is to die trying. My ex-gf's sisters fiance learnt that the hard way when he got run over by a 18-wheeler while trying to get away from cops on his bike. > Either way its a stupid idea, only way to outrun a motorola is to die > trying. Go to rec.motorcycles for a post on this topic. Bryan >> Either way its a stupid idea, only way to outrun a motorola is to die >> trying. > >Go to rec.motorcycles for a post on this topic. That's just sad.... > I see on a lot of the US 'Cop' type shows that people head for the state > line when they are being chased (insert 'on sportsbikes' to remain on > topic and keep some peoples blood pressures under control). > > Is crossing the state line like a 'get out of jail free' card and you > will remain free unless you go back to that state? Are you familiar with the concept of "hot pursuit"? When the cops are after you, and you don't yield to their red lights and siren, they can and will follow you into another state. But they are worried about pursuits through many small cities with independant police forces. The original law enforcement agency will often break off pursuit of somebody who has only committed the *misdemeanor* of failing to yield. They will let the next town's police force take over pursuit to avoid having a whole parade of cop cars following one fleeing misdemeanant. Hot pursuit of a felon is a different matter. Felons cannot be allowed to escape by crossing into another jurisdiction. I remember vaguely talking to a wild young prisoner in custody about how he thought he'd be able to cross some western state line in a stolen car and the cops in hot pursuit couldn't follow him. He was raving about how they were charging him with a "dire act", in taking a stolen car across a state line and that they shouldn't have arrested him and shot him and everything. He was wrong. The cops chased him, he was shooting at them and they finally shot him and the car was wrecked and he was charged with a long list of offenses including violating the *Dyer Act*, which has been on the books since 1919. In some of the smaller east coast states, you can drive through two or three small states after you steal a vehicle in, say Delaware. You'd go through New Jersey, New York, and Connecticut on your way to say, Boston. So the Dyer Act was necessary to control interstate trafficking in stolen cars. Then there are the guys who think they can cross an international border and be free. That didn't work for a guy who was pursued from California's central valley, from Bakersfield, over the Tejon Pass on Interstate 5 and all the way to the Mexican border at San Ysidro/Tijuana. He jumped out of the car and tried to run across the border and the Mexican police grabbed him. As I recall, that might have been the guy who had his own baby in the car, and threatened to kill the child if he wasn't allowed to escape. As the cops wrestled him to the ground, somebody grabbed the baby. The only way to successfully escape police pursuit is to commit suicide. One guy who was being chased blew his own head off with a shotgun. That went out in its entirety on KTLA channel 5 in Los Angeles. > Are you familiar with the concept of "hot pursuit"? Ummmmmm....yes (looking sheepishly at his feet)....you win some, you lose some. Our guys have to call off the pursuit once the speed get over 140kmh.....but they usually get their man the next day. It's hard to drive away when you live on an island. :) Our worst offenders lately have been boy racers wrapping themselves around the scenery trying to get away. (snip the information I was after, and well said) >I see on a lot of the US 'Cop' type shows that people head for the state >line when they are being chased (insert 'on sportsbikes' to remain on >topic and keep some peoples blood pressures under control). > >Is crossing the state line like a 'get out of jail free' card and you >will remain free unless you go back to that state? Yes. And all Americans beat their wives, yell at the sports games, talk really loudly and wear white socks with sandals. Whatever you do you don't want to come here. Some days it's a miracle I get my butt back into bed safely what with all the race/class riots and bullets a flying. After choking down my McDonalds of course... >> I see on a lot of the US 'Cop' type shows that people head for the state >> line when they are being chased (insert 'on sportsbikes' to remain on [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > Yes. Apparently not, Krusty Kritter put me straight on that one. > And all Americans beat their wives, yell at the sports games, talk > really loudly and wear white socks with sandals. [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > After choking down my McDonalds of course... Maybe it's just the neighbourhood you live in or the people you associate with.......? > > Whatever you do you don't want to come here. Some days it's a miracle > > I get my butt back into bed safely what with all the race/class riots > > and bullets a flying. > Maybe it's just the neighbourhood you live in or the people you > associate with.......? I would bet that GSM could afford to live in a nicer area out on Long Island but chooses to stay in Brooklyn because it's cheaper and closer to Manhattan by subway. Brooklyn or Queens is a pretty rough area to live in. When I went into Kentucky Fried Chicken in Brooklyn, some African Americans shoved into line ahead of me as though I wasn't there. I didn't say anything, I was on vacation, headed for Niagara Falls on the other side of the state where better-behaved human people live. When I finally got to the order window, there was bulletproof glass between me and the cashier who took my order. Maybe parts of New Jersey are even worse than Brooklyn, which was once inhabited by struggling Jewish immigrants. Some of the best known Jewish comedians, like Woody Allen, all went to a certain high school in Brooklyn. But they all moved their families out and the African Americans moved in. Even Charles Town, Massachusetts, which my family founded, is now a really rough square mile which was terrorized by an Irish gang who robbed armored cars all over New England in the 1980's. That was on TV. The FBI caught the Irish gang red-handed as they tried to rob a bank, and Charles Town is a bit more relaxed. People aren't as afraid to talk to strangers as they used to be. But, successful people always move out of the neighborhoods they were born in and go to some more upscale and peaceful place. The worst "crime" that ever occurs in the neighborhood I presently live in is when somebody walks their dog and it poops on a neighbor's lawn and the owner doesn't pick up the dog poop and carry it back home to dispose of it. Back to urban violence in America. It happens mostly in the poorer neighborhoods, where police who don't live there try to control the immigrants and the African Americans. The foreigners violently victimize each other and the cops have to beat on the foreigners to get them to stop. You may have heard of the Rodney King incident, where an African American ex-convict was stopped for drunk driving and he resisted arrest, so the Los Angeles Police Department officers under the command of Sergeant Stacy Koon beat him into submission. That happened in Lake View Terrace, a mostly African American or Mexican area. The police officers were called "thugs" by African American city councilmen and lawyers and were brought to trial for use of excessive force against King. The pre-trial publicity was so intense the judge ordered a change of venue. The trial took place in Simi, California, a so-called "bedroom community" of mostly successful working class White people who figure that beating up African American criminals like Rodney King was what the police were paid to do. I certainly think so. When the involved White officers were acquitted, African Americans and Mexicans and even poor Whites in the less-affluent sections of the city rioted and set businesses on fire and beat up innocent bypassers. The world saw that on TV, but may not have noticed that Rodney King just keeps getting arrested for his criminal ways. And, I met Sergeant Stacy Koon once, too, in my backyard in Hollywood, when some illegal imigrants were throwing rocks over the fence and a rock hit me in the head. Koon was a very laid-back cop, he said that I wasn't bleeding, so I wasn't hurt and he wouldn't arrest anybody. His inaction when Rodney King was being beaten up was symptomatic of LAPD attitudes towards NHI arrests. "NHI" is an acronym for "no humans involved". The LAPD officers normally don't live in the areas they patrol. They have enough money to afford to live in affluent neighborhoods on the other side of the county. >>> Whatever you do you don't want to come here. Some days it's a miracle >>> I get my butt back into bed safely what with all the race/class riots [quoted text clipped - 78 lines] > money to afford to live in affluent neighborhoods on the other side of > the county. We get that here as well.....Immigrant gangs having a go at each other (mainly Auckland) and when the police break it up and hurt someone, they are called racists. Too many people are prepared to break the law and fell it's not fair when they get caught. The latest was a guy on 'p' who raped his neighbour after abducting her and taking her to a forest (where she escaped, or she'd be dead).....it wasn't really his fault, it was the drugs fault. Police Harrassment - An Officers Explaination Recently, a California website ran an e-mail forum (a question and answer exchange) where the topic was "Policing the Community." One of the civilian email participants posed the following question: "I would like to know how it is possible for police officers to continually harass people and get away with it?" From the "other side" (the law enforcement side) a cool cop with a sense of humor replied: It is not easy. In California we average one cop for every 2,000 people. About 60% of those cops are on patrol, where we do most of the harassing. One-fifth of that 60% are on duty at any given moment and are available for harassing people. So, one cop is responsible for harassing about 10,000 residents. When you toss in the commercial, business and tourist locations that attract people from other areas, sometimes you have a situation where a single cop is responsible for harassing 20,000 or more people each day. A ten-hour shift runs 36,000 seconds. This gives a cop one second to harass a person, and three-fourths of a second to eat a donut AND then find a new person to harass. This is not an easy task. Most cops are not up to it, day in and day out. It is just too tiring. What we do is utilize some tools to help us narrow down those people which we harass. They are as follows: PHONE: People will call us up and point out things that cause us to focus on a person for special harassment. "My neighbor is beating his wife" is a code phrase we use. Then we come out and give special harassment Another popular one on a weeknight is, "The kids next door are having a loud party." CARS: We have special cops assigned to harass people who drive. They like to harass the drivers of fast cars, cars blasting music, cars with expired registration stickers and the like. It is lots of fun when you pick them out of traffic for nothing more obvious than running a red light. Sometimes you get to really heap the harassment on when you find they have drugs in the car, are driving drunk, or they have an outstanding warrant. RUNNERS: Some people take off running just at the sight of a police officer. Nothing is quite as satisfying as running after them like a beagle on the scent of a bunny. When you catch them you can harass them for hours. CODES: When you can think of nothing else to do, there are books that give ideas for reasons to harass folks. They are called "Codes". Penal, Vehicle, Health and Safety, Business and Professional Codes, to name a few. They spell out all sorts of things for which you can really mess with people. After you read the code, you can just drive around for a while until you find someone violating one of these listed offenses and harass them. Just last week I saw a guy smash a car window Well, the code says that is not allowed. That meant I got permission to harass this guy. It is a pretty cool system that we have set up, and it works pretty well. We seem to have a never-ending supply of folks to harass. And we get away with it. Why? Because the good citizens who pay the tab actually like the fact that we keep the streets safe for them. Next time you are in my town, give me a single finger wave. That will be a signal that you wish for me to take a little closer look at you, and then maybe I'll find a reason to harass YOU. > Police Harrassment - An Officers Explaination > > Recently, a California website ran an e-mail forum (a question and > answer exchange) where the topic was "Policing the Community." One of the > civilian email participants posed the following question: > PHONE: People will call us up and point out things that cause us to > focus on a person for special harassment. "My neighbor is beating his wife" > is a code phrase we use. Then we come out and give special harassment That was a funny post. Actually, the cops won't do anything to the husband beating his wife (or vice versa) unless one of the spouses is bleeding. Most of the police work in such situations is public relations work. The officers tactfully refer the case to the city attorney's office or they will tell the parties to get restraining orders on each other. Cops fear going into a building to talk to the quarreling parties, as they never know if the husband or wife is going to pick up a weapon and attack one of the officers. If the quarreling parties won't listen to the officers telling them how to peacefully resolve their differences, the cops can arrest them for interfering with an officer in the pursuit of his duties. The cops will tell the parties that they don't have a crystal ball, they don't know who did what to whom, but the interfering with an officer charge is for a crime committed in their presence. They will back each other up as witnesses if necessary. Shows like COPS or America's Most Wanted show the public what they can expect if they are stopped by the police for some infraction or misdemeanor. Unfortunately, the voluntary segregation of Los Angeles' population into different neighborhoods which have ethnic majorities of different races based upon the past inequalities of various ethnicities does result in the appearance of police harassment on the basis of race. This segregation is rapidly breaking down though, as the "managerial state" epitomized by Bill and Hillary Clinton and offering job opportunity regardless of race is rapidly replacing ethnocentric civil services in departments such as the Department of Water and Power. When I worked there almost thirty years ago, DWP was understood to mean "Department of White People". But they had to admit racial minorities or be sued and wind up paying damages to some female or ethnic. I was looking up names of former co-workers to see who was still at the Department of Sanitation, and I was amazed to see all the different ethnicities coexisting harmoniously at the sewage treatment plant. I can't say as whether they actually accomplish much. They couldn't make the biosolids energy recovery system work, because it's really hard to burn sh.t, even if it's dry. They are still looking for ways to dispose the digested and de-watered sludge that they can't dump in the ocean anymore. Need some sludge? Los Angeles can ship you all you want, and maybe we can send you some illegal aliens to herd your sheep. Or, if you don't want the Mexicans, can I come to NZ and live with you? The scenery down there seems to be even more awesome than the scenery I have here by the Sierra Nevada foothills. > I was looking up names of former co-workers to see who was still at the > Department of Sanitation, and I was amazed to see all the different > ethnicities coexisting harmoniously at the sewage treatment plant. You were actually amazed?  SignatureJamin Kortegard a popular motorcycle / a popular car "Hokey 600s and trackday usability are no match for a good literbike at your side, kid." - Michael > Or, if you don't want the Mexicans, can I come to NZ and live with you? > The scenery down there seems to be even more awesome than the scenery I > have here by the Sierra Nevada foothills. I don't know about the 'live with you' part (sounds a bit gay) but if you are looking for a change, come on down and bring your wallet. NZ is always looking for more skilled workers. The South Island is a motorcyclists paradise. > really loudly and wear white socks with sandals. Europeans wear black/grey socks with sandals. - Kurt |
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