Anyone else riding in the dead of winter?
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Eat Dirt - 25 Jan 2006 19:17 GMT Just curious if you hard core riders out there are doing any riding, in January, the dead of winter.
I know that many decide to do the "proper protocol" of hiding their bikes under a bunker from November to April but for those that will ride when the opportunity arises, are you doing any riding these days?
Yesterday I was riding the Katana at over 12C (or 54 of them Farenheit). Today is another bright, sunny and warm day here in Canada - yes, Canada. And Alberta, of all places, where it isn't unusual for it to be -30 C and F around this time of the year.
This has been an extremely warm winter for us, streets are completely dry and the only hazard are gravel at some spots (due to previous snow combating tactics by the city) and cagers not expecting to see a bike till later in the year.
It is absolutely wonderful not to have spent over 2 weeks without riding since fall/winter started. Heck I may even hit the motocross track this weekend as they will most likely open up.
So, are there any others out there still riding? Where are you?
Jim Tiberio - 25 Jan 2006 19:27 GMT > Just curious if you hard core riders out there are doing any riding, in > January, the dead of winter. [quoted text clipped - 18 lines] > > So, are there any others out there still riding? Where are you? It figures I decided to store my bike for the winter in my buddies garage. It's been excellent winter riding weather here in CT. The worst part is that I did it so my wife could park in the garage when the weather is bad and it hasn't even been cold enough for her to bother using the garage.
Phil Scott - 25 Jan 2006 19:32 GMT >> Just curious if you hard core riders out there are doing >> any riding, in [quoted text clipped - 40 lines] > and it hasn't even been cold enough for her to bother using > the garage. global warming, it will get nasty over the next 10 years.
Phil Scott
Jim Tiberio - 25 Jan 2006 20:23 GMT > global warming, it will get nasty over the next 10 years. This winter has been very mild after a couple of record breaking cold winters. I'm not discounting global warming but I don't think this mild weather is the result of it.
Andrew - 25 Jan 2006 21:24 GMT > global warming, it will get nasty over the next 10 years. > > Phil Scott Is this something you can prove?
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Troy the Troll - 26 Jan 2006 00:35 GMT >> global warming, it will get nasty over the next 10 years. >> >> Phil Scott > > Is this something you can prove? At least with him keyboarding BS instead of speaking it he isn't contributing to the "hot air" much.
Phil Scott - 26 Jan 2006 03:04 GMT >> global warming, it will get nasty over the next 10 years. >> >> Phil Scott > > Is this something you can prove? dont be an idiot.... year to year there can be no proof of global warming..the natural variations in termperature due to other factors give that fluxuation.
However the trend over the last 20 years is now well proven, established and not disputed science for the most part... the oceans have warmed 2 degrees in the last 20 years.. thats not a blip but a trend... the ice polar ice caps are shrinking, the glaciers receeding there is no precident for that as a blip...its a long term trend paralleling the rise in carbon dioxide in the atmosphere.
Search google with those key words and find the news reports of university studies yourself.
Id I post a single link that is always disputable...I am not about to post 200 links for you when the issue is at this point so well known.
Phil Scott
~kurt - 26 Jan 2006 03:28 GMT > However the trend over the last 20 years is now well proven, > established and not disputed science for the most part... the > oceans have warmed 2 degrees in the last 20 years.. thats not I think the big debate with gobal warming isn't if it is happening, but why.
Which reminds me, I still haven't looked up that article Timberwoof had mentioned a while back.
- Kurt
Andy Burnett - 26 Jan 2006 03:57 GMT > the oceans have warmed 2 degrees in the last 20 years.. thats not a > blip but a trend... the ice polar ice caps are shrinking, the glaciers > receeding there is no precident for that as a blip...its a long term > trend paralleling the rise in carbon dioxide in the atmosphere. All true, though don't forget that we are still coming out of the last ice age. To some extent, a warming trend would happen with or without our contributions. What's less clear and is still in dispute, is whether mankind is really accelerating the trend. Whether we are or not, efforts to reduce the pollutants we belch into the atmosphere can't be a bad thing.
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Phil Scott - 26 Jan 2006 04:17 GMT >> the oceans have warmed 2 degrees in the last 20 years.. >> thats not a [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] > to reduce the pollutants we belch into the atmosphere can't > be a bad thing. There has been a steep escalation in the rate of warming.. that most scientists now consider a result of green house gasses.
There is a very quick and easy cure for the problem though that Ive not seen discussed in the press or in academia.
. Volcanic erruptions and asteroid impacts have been known for causing ice ages..they kick up so much particulate matter that the sun is blocked and the earth freezes over if its big enough.
It seems to me that volcanic erruptions could be triggered on a small scale with explosives to release enough particulate into the atmosphere to create any level of cooling desired.
Phil Scott
> ab ~kurt - 26 Jan 2006 05:08 GMT > . Volcanic erruptions and asteroid impacts have been known > for causing ice ages..they kick up so much particulate matter > that the sun is blocked and the earth freezes over if its big > enough. I'd rather be hot than cold
> It seems to me that volcanic erruptions could be triggered on > a small scale with explosives to release enough particulate > into the atmosphere to create any level of cooling desired. And if the model one uses to determine how much should be kicked up isn't correct (and it won't be because we aren't that good at modeling things on this scale) - we will end up either too hot or too cold, and completely f.cked.
Sounds like a good sci-fi movie though.
- Kurt
Mike Nelson - 28 Jan 2006 06:12 GMT > It seems to me that volcanic erruptions could be triggered on > a small scale with explosives to release enough particulate > into the atmosphere to create any level of cooling desired. Hail, Xenu!
Andy Burnett - 29 Jan 2006 03:03 GMT Mike Nelson <uce@ftc.gov> wrote in news:KXDCf.14865$_S7.10132 @newssvr14.news.prodigy.com:
>> It seems to me that volcanic erruptions could be triggered on >> a small scale with explosives to release enough particulate >> into the atmosphere to create any level of cooling desired. > > Hail, Xenu! I saw the same irony you did in Phil's scenario.
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Phil Scott - 30 Jan 2006 05:16 GMT > Mike Nelson <uce@ftc.gov> wrote in > news:KXDCf.14865$_S7.10132 [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > > I saw the same irony you did in Phil's scenario. 'Xenu' was the evil galactic war lord according to Hubbard (who was loaded on dope mich of the time) who sent billions of people to earth to be blown up near volcano's, caught now in an electronic mountain trap powered by an eternal battery... put there by the 'Galactic Patrol' and its band of loyal officers headed up by El Rong hissef.... it only costs about 300,000 dollars to this hot info in the cult...in Elrums own handwritting...copys of which one carries around in a locked brief case, chained to his or her wrist.
Judging by all the screaming Elrum did in the months before he died, about the spirits of these dead space alien crawling around under his skin....most of them stuck to Elrum himself.
Phil Scott
> ab Xiaoding - 26 Jan 2006 13:09 GMT Twenty years is NOTHING in geological time. With that logic, we all should have fried in the middle ages, when it was MUCH warmer than it is now.
Timberwoof - 26 Jan 2006 16:51 GMT > Twenty years is NOTHING in geological time. With that logic, we all > should have fried in the middle ages, when it was MUCH warmer than it > is now. I gotta pick nits. It was warmer starting around 900 or so, which led to the Vikings going all over the place, eventually saving Venice from a famine and accidentally poisoning the Skreylings with milk. However, within a few hundred years the climate changed again, for the worse, and everybody in the Greenland colony died.
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Phil Scott - 25 Jan 2006 19:30 GMT > Just curious if you hard core riders out there are doing any > riding, in > January, the dead of winter. Yes...me... the other day the temperature had nose dived from the usual 72 degrees to 68 but I braved the weather regardless and rode to Oakland...
Phil Scott
> I know that many decide to do the "proper protocol" of > hiding their [quoted text clipped - 27 lines] > So, are there any others out there still riding? Where are > you? Julian D. - 26 Jan 2006 02:35 GMT >> Just curious if you hard core riders out there are doing any >> riding, in [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] >the usual 72 degrees to 68 but I braved the weather regardless >and rode to Oakland... Bastard!
>Phil Scott > [quoted text clipped - 29 lines] >> So, are there any others out there still riding? Where are >> you? Julian D.
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Mike - 25 Jan 2006 19:42 GMT >Just curious if you hard core riders out there are doing any riding, in >January, the dead of winter. [quoted text clipped - 18 lines] > >So, are there any others out there still riding? Where are you? My bike is ready to ride however I am not. I have tendentious in both of my Achilles tendons and am getting Cortisone injections in my neck. Hopefully I will be out in a few weeks.
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Brian - 25 Jan 2006 19:49 GMT > My bike is ready to ride however I am not. I have tendentious in both > of my Achilles tendons and am getting Cortisone injections in my neck. [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > Mike OUCH!.....that doesn't sound like fun! (flinching in sympathy at the thought of a needle in the neck)
krusty kritter - 25 Jan 2006 21:44 GMT > My bike is ready to ride however I am not. I have tendentious in both > of my Achilles tendons and am getting Cortisone injections in my neck. > Hopefully I will be out in a few weeks. It's interesting that you should say that. The steroid injections may not be what you really need, other than to get rid of the localized inflammation.
You might just need warm heat to relax your calf muscles that pull on the tendons.
I started noticing tendonitis in one calf that didn't go away weeks after a strenuous hike up a local mountain trail. I had been taking naproxen for the pain, but I realized that the muscles in my calves were always pumped an wouldn't relax, so I started taking ibuprofen to relax the musles and stop the pain too.
Or, if you can devote an hour or two soaking your lower legs in warm water, that might relax your achilles tendons.
I have suffered from cervical stenosis since I was a teenager, and I found that wearing a hardhat or a motorcycle helmet strained the neck muscles and the cure for was an electric hot pad wrapped in a wet towel to apply local moist heat.
Steve Mackay - 27 Jan 2006 09:46 GMT >> Just curious if you hard core riders out there are doing any riding, in >> January, the dead of winter. [quoted text clipped - 26 lines] > > Mike That DOES not sound like a good time Mike... I've been riding quite a bit this past month.
And bought the wife a new bike last night :) http://homepage.mac.com/mackay.steve/.Pictures/mail.jpg A Black iBuell :)
Mike - 27 Jan 2006 11:08 GMT >>> Just curious if you hard core riders out there are doing any riding, in >>> January, the dead of winter. [quoted text clipped - 33 lines] >http://homepage.mac.com/mackay.steve/.Pictures/mail.jpg >A Black iBuell :) Very nice Steve. What happened to the Blast?
Regards
Mike
P.Roehling - 25 Jan 2006 21:08 GMT > Just curious if you hard core riders out there are doing any riding, in > January, the dead of winter. Sure, but southern California doesn't really have a "dead of winter". Daytime temps out here have been averaging in the mid to high 60s.
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Andrew - 25 Jan 2006 21:23 GMT > Just curious if you hard core riders out there are doing any riding, in > January, the dead of winter. [quoted text clipped - 18 lines] > > So, are there any others out there still riding? Where are you? I rode the Speed Triple and the Daytona yesterday. I'm in Seattle.
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Greek Shipping Magnets - 25 Jan 2006 21:23 GMT >Just curious if you hard core riders out there are doing any riding, in >January, the dead of winter. Thanks to the greenhouse effect, dead of winter here is shaping up to be 40-50 degrees. No trouble at all riding.
Get heated gear for the truly hard days and you won't feel a thing. Or just forget it and go skiing.
krusty kritter - 25 Jan 2006 21:57 GMT > Just curious if you hard core riders out there are doing any riding, in > January, the dead of winter. Pssst! Don't tell anybody about Kalifornia. It's springtime already, here in the foothills.
Locals can't decide if this is southern Kalifornia or northern Kalifornia. The geographic center of the state is north of Fresno, though.
It has rained, breaking the dry spell. The grass is already green, it rarely snows here in the oak tree country, but I can see snow on the pine covered mountains several miles away.
When the wind blows, the sky is clear and I get blown all over the road. When the wind doesn't blow, a dense fog sits in the valley, making motorcycle riding a cold, clammy experience and the idiots in SUV's grope blindly through the mists.
It's warmer than last year. I haven't seen a single Bald Eagle so far this year.
Frost didn't kill my semitropical plants outdoors because it never got that cold this year. My marigolds and nasturtiums are still in bloom. Nobody told them that it's supposed to be winter...
_Bob Nixon_ - 26 Jan 2006 00:45 GMT >Just curious if you hard core riders out there are doing any riding, in >January, the dead of winter. [quoted text clipped - 18 lines] > >So, are there any others out there still riding? Where are you? Central Arizona is warm as SOCAL in the afternoons. In the subburbs it gets down to the twenties, even teens during January. Usually by February it starts to warm some in the AM hours. Central Phoenix has ten degree warmer low temps due to the heat island effect.
http://weather.yahoo.com/forecast/USAZ0166.html http://weather.yahoo.com/forecast/USAZ0034.html
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Bryan - 26 Jan 2006 01:37 GMT > Central Arizona is warm as SOCAL in the afternoons. In the subburbs it > gets down to the twenties, even teens during January. Usually by [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > > See what I mean? (above week forecast) We are in an inversion in SLC UT. Yesterday its 30-33f in the city (~4600 ft) while at Alta (9000 ft) it was 46f. So we are stuck in a haze of really nasty "air".
Can't wait for the next storm.
Bryan
~kurt - 26 Jan 2006 02:03 GMT > Just curious if you hard core riders out there are doing any riding, in > January, the dead of winter. So far, the coldest morning I took the bike out was just over 20 redneck degrees - the fingers got pretty damn cold. But then, after two weeks of winter, global warming kicked in and I have generally been able to ride two or three times a week.
- Kurt
Julian D. - 26 Jan 2006 02:33 GMT >Just curious if you hard core riders out there are doing any riding, in >January, the dead of winter. [quoted text clipped - 18 lines] > >So, are there any others out there still riding? Where are you? I rode on the 21st here in Pennsylvania. Never did get to wash my SV before putting it in the garage the end of November. It was around 50F, took it out to wash it, soaped it up...the soap bubbles formed the words 'Ride Me' on the gas tank. Decided to take a ride for a couple of hours.
Julian D.
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Eat Dirt - 26 Jan 2006 06:36 GMT > So, are there any others out there still riding? Where are you? Good to see you haven't all gone into hibernation. One tip for those cooler days when your fingertips are frozen solid to the point it aches to depress the levers: buy a cheap pair of ski gloves. After having lost my leather street riding gloves I had to scramble to keep my fingers warm, the only part of my body that would suffer. After attempting to use my ski gloves (that only has two fingers) I broke down and spent an entire 10 dollar bill on a cheap pair (and that's canuck dollar). What a diff it makes. I was able to go on a good size ride out of town. Only downside is the size of it, it kinda gets in the way and takes some getting used to. But I'll never again ride without them anytime the temps drops below 7C
Phil, Squid-in-Training - 26 Jan 2006 06:52 GMT > Just curious if you hard core riders out there are doing any riding, in > January, the dead of winter. [quoted text clipped - 18 lines] > > So, are there any others out there still riding? Where are you? Phil, Squid-in-Training - 26 Jan 2006 06:52 GMT > Just curious if you hard core riders out there are doing any riding, in > January, the dead of winter. [quoted text clipped - 18 lines] > > So, are there any others out there still riding? Where are you? Haven't stopped riding in the first place. Florida's nice for that reason. It could stand to dip into the 20's... I won't complain. It was actually around 80 degrees 2 days ago for the high, but then this wonderful cold front came in... no more sweating!
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Jamin Kortegard - 26 Jan 2006 23:56 GMT > Haven't stopped riding in the first place. Florida's nice for that reason. > It could stand to dip into the 20's... I won't complain. It was actually > around 80 degrees 2 days ago for the high, but then this wonderful cold > front came in... no more sweating! And then this awful hurricane comes along... no more house!
I'll stay in the rainy northwest. At least when it rains I know my roof is still firmly attached!
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Phil, Squid-in-Training - 27 Jan 2006 07:54 GMT >> Haven't stopped riding in the first place. Florida's nice for that >> reason. It could stand to dip into the 20's... I won't complain. It [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > I'll stay in the rainy northwest. At least when it rains I know my > roof is still firmly attached! Ah, the one trick: stay away from the coastline, and keep trees around the house pruned.
The media portrays worst-case scenarios. It's not anywhere as bad as you think. Has all of California fallen into chasms whenever an earthquake strikes?
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~kurt - 27 Jan 2006 13:17 GMT > The media portrays worst-case scenarios. It's not anywhere as bad as you > think. Has all of California fallen into chasms whenever an earthquake > strikes? Unfortunately not.
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Jamin Kortegard - 27 Jan 2006 18:26 GMT > Ah, the one trick: stay away from the coastline, and keep trees around the > house pruned. The coastline seems like the prime attraction to the area. What is there in the interior, aside from the swamps and golf courses I've seen on TV?
> The media portrays worst-case scenarios. It's not anywhere as bad as you > think. Has all of California fallen into chasms whenever an earthquake > strikes? Not to my knowledge.
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Phil, Squid-in-Training - 27 Jan 2006 20:56 GMT >> Ah, the one trick: stay away from the coastline, and keep trees >> around the house pruned. >> > The coastline seems like the prime attraction to the area. What is > there in the interior, aside from the swamps and golf courses I've > seen on TV? Look on a map. You don't have to go any more than a couple miles inland to avoid the worst of it. Trailer parks don't count.
Think about it. When newscasters are "LIVE! WITH HURRICANE X" they're on the *coastline*, screaming their heads off and saying, "It's unbeleeeeeevable!!!!! It's sooo dangerous my face is getting ripped off by the wind!"
Plus Walt Disney World is in the interior. I may be getting an internship with them next year ;)
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Jamin Kortegard - 28 Jan 2006 12:04 GMT > Look on a map. You don't have to go any more than a couple miles inland to > avoid the worst of it. Trailer parks don't count. Yeah, you don't have to go very far to get off the coast, granted. I'm wondering what's lovely about the interior. It seems like the beaches are the main reason people go there. I've never been to Florida, so I'm asking: what do you like about it?
> Plus Walt Disney World is in the interior. I may be getting an internship > with them next year ;) Disney World? No thanks, I'll pass.
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Phil, Squid-in-Training - 29 Jan 2006 22:09 GMT >> Look on a map. You don't have to go any more than a couple miles >> inland to avoid the worst of it. Trailer parks don't count. [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > are the main reason people go there. I've never been to Florida, so > I'm asking: what do you like about it? Well, everyone here likes the 3 seasons: summer, fall, and spring. But I'm rather sick of it. The beaches aren't just the only attraction... there's lots of industry, and there are plenty of ports that are conduits for commerce to and from our Southern American partners. (plus drugs and Cubans, but that's different). No earthquakes, tornados, no frozen pipes, no ice on the roads, no shoveling, and decent colleges. The real estate market is also at a high point. The hurricanes really aren't the end of the world... the media loves to show it that way. My parents' house in the Tampa area, since '80 hasn't ever experienced flooding, hurricane-speed winds, or flying debris problems, and they live on a canal that leads to the bay just a 1/2 mile away. But one big detractor is no bicycle infrastructure :(
>> Plus Walt Disney World is in the interior. I may be getting an >> internship with them next year ;) >> > Disney World? No thanks, I'll pass. That would be an internship in ride engineering, not character suits, LOL.
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Tweak - 26 Jan 2006 14:58 GMT > Just curious if you hard core riders out there are doing any riding, in > January, the dead of winter. [quoted text clipped - 18 lines] > > So, are there any others out there still riding? Where are you? Every day unless there is ice on the ground, and we have only had a day or two of that here in Georgia.
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Robert Striemer - 27 Jan 2006 03:07 GMT Snowmobiles are still the preferred mode of transport around here (Winterpeg, Cannuckistan) however daytime highs have been near zero Celcius (32 F) so we are in danger of losing our snow. This in the middle of January seems preposterous and has caused real problems for some. Winter (ice) roads to northern Manitoba communities have not been constructed. They will run out of essential bulk commodities and will really suffer. In the south we just worry about open rivers and losing the ice on outdoor skating rinks. Nobody can really believe their luck but is it global warming? hmmm
I assume Atlantic ocean surface water temperatures will remain high and you folks in the South Eastern USA can expect another nasty '06 hurricane season. Hope you're better prepared this time.
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Rob
>> Just curious if you hard core riders out there are doing any riding, in >> January, the dead of winter. [quoted text clipped - 21 lines] > Every day unless there is ice on the ground, and we have only had a day > or two of that here in Georgia. Eat Dirt - 27 Jan 2006 04:49 GMT > Nobody can really believe their luck but is it global warming? Of course not, the effects of global warming are too slow. This is likely an El Niño year. We have these what, like every 7 years give or take a few? Alberta is very affected by El Niño - in a very positive way if you ride bikes - but in a very negative way if you love outdoor ice skating. Yes, we are losing our skating fast. Good thing it still gets cold overnight. Enjoy while it lasts. Next year it's back to normal.
~kurt - 27 Jan 2006 13:19 GMT > Of course not, the effects of global warming are too slow. This is > likely an El Niño year. We have these what, like every 7 years give or > take a few? Alberta is very affected by El Niño - in a very positive way I think the fact that this isn't an El Niño year is what makes the warm winter so significant.
All I know is I can ride the bike tomorrow without freezing my a.s off.
- Kurt
Eat Dirt - 28 Jan 2006 04:45 GMT > > Of course not, the effects of global warming are too slow. This is > > likely an El Niño year. We have these what, like every 7 years give or [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > > - Kurt Really? This is not an EN year? Wow, this is freaky then. I think the last time we had such a warm and dry winter was back in 92 where I recall riding almost everyday here in Alberta. But that was a strong EN year. Memories of The Day After Tomorrow come to mind. Better aim for higher ground.
Ript - 30 Jan 2006 01:22 GMT > Snowmobiles are still the preferred mode of transport around here > (Winterpeg, Cannuckistan) however daytime highs have been near zero [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > > Rob I went outside last night, here in nortwest ohio, and if felt muggy! So I broke out the rz350 for a spin aropund the block, you know just to get things warmed a bit.
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