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Stephan Rose - 23 Mar 2006 10:55 GMT http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/11965237/
Phil Scott - 23 Mar 2006 20:35 GMT  Signature Phil Scott Ideas are bullet proof.
> > http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/11965237/ Please notice the public response, also typical on this NG virtually all idiots fail to stand up for their rights until it is too late to do anything about it.
A 90 lb person in a bar after one drink is legally under the influence. After two drinks within an hour most people are legally under the influence and are charged routinely with drunk driving.
Many idiots are too dense to fathom what is going on,
Any corrupt government tightens its noose slowly...and not because civil servants are bad people...these are *not bad people, they are just people who want to keep employed, and in many cases insure a lush retirement for themselves.
...the citizenry gets used to the ongoing restrictions and then accepts the next restriction, bogus tax or elevated fee as par for the course... its not an accidental strategy.
Whats happening now in the US is that we are increasingly competing with people willing to work for 2 dollars a day, a bunk and a bowl of rice...
GM and Ford are staving off bankrupcy (its been headline news with GM yesterday)... this is relevant because it is the tax base that pays for the police retirements at 100 to 150k k a year at stake... the noose must get tight in order to force an income stream from those now without work, or working for a quarter of their previous rate..
Tightening the noose is one way to habituate the public into compliance.
When all those homes bought on easy credit are taxed to the max the public will be used to working itself to death and complying with rediculous demands, such as do not drink more than one drink an hour in a bar, even though anyone can call a taxi or get a friend to drive them home.
Notice the well crafted rationale... 'the guy could jump off a balcony and miss the pool'...so we will arrest him first. Utter insanity.
the same approach will be applied to extract the last dime from each working person, person who owns any property or retirement (say for instance the average 900 dollars a month in social security..that will be taxed or hyper inflated to worthlessness in order to keep the civil servants retiring at 10,000 dollars a month in many cases..and at age 51 or earlier in many cases).
The US govt *must hyper inflate the currency, or double taxes to pay for its bloat...or collapse. (in the past when government printed money, called increasing the money supply, it had to anounce the amounts publicly, a law was passed in congress last year allowing govt to keep the amount secret).
A resurrection of the US economy is not going to happen and its no secret...the labor / skills base is evaporating at light speed... but the bloated government keeps growing.
Any civil unrest will result in a doubling of government...thats the final stage in the life of any nation. There is not enough production to pay for such crap without starving the productive segment to death... the problem reverses not when government gets smart... it ends when the population dies off.
All through history govt has not been smart enough to avoid strangling its own poplulations to death to support itself.
The bar thing in Texas is not actually about drinking in my view, its about habituating the public to insane government.
There might be an added motive. Productivity in the US suffers badly from people taking drugs and drinking the previous night and arriving at work loaded, or hung over.
Ive seen statistics in the 40% range, you would have to do your own research. Losses are into the hundreds of billions of dollars a year...we cannot afford our bombing for peace programs in the middle east, and rich civil servant retirements if this working class SCUM is allowed to drink more than one beer... that should be clear.
Government needs its working class to be sober, well rested, not hung over, and working 50 to 60 hours a week, at half previous rates, and more net taxation in order for govt to survive. Government of course is not the nation...it is the leach on the nations back that our funding fathers did their best to limit or starve to death if possible. That great experiment has failed.
(it failed because we became a democracy, never intended by the founding fathers... but then most people don't know that, they think democracy is a good thing and that we should be spreading it world wide....for those in shock at this remark searching google for 'democracy. mobocracy, republic, founding fathers' will bring up their writings at the time and inclusion of those into our US bill of rights and constitution ... being ignorant in these areas has proven fatal it seems)
As the tax base collapses and we need people to work 50 hours a week for half the money, being hung over or tired due to being out late drinking.... won't work.... as the tax base of any nation goes into collapse, government always takes stern measures to get the money it needs to stay fat and dominant.
thats just how it is. Its also human nature.
these things are linked...none of this insanity happens in a vacuum.
When government sees a problem, govt comes up with a 'solution'... any solution but less goverment of course or cutting their retirement benefits that now exceed in many cases what a working MD earns,
amazing isnt it. Now the problem is funding a bloated governemt, governments solution is finding more ways to nail the last of the tax payers.
these messes always drive themselves out the bottom.
Phil Scott
Saddlebag - 23 Mar 2006 23:43 GMT > Please notice the public response, also typical on this NG > virtually all idiots fail to stand up for their rights until > it is too late to do anything about it. Rights? We don't need no stinkin rights here in the US of A. You can take that commie talk somewhere else Mr. Scott.
Bryan - 24 Mar 2006 03:54 GMT >> Please notice the public response, also typical on this NG >> virtually all idiots fail to stand up for their rights until >> it is too late to do anything about it. > > Rights? We don't need no stinkin rights here in the US of A. You can > take that commie talk somewhere else Mr. Scott. When the cities are gone...and all the ruckus has died away, when sunflowers push up through the concrete and asphalt of forgotten interstate freeways, when the Kremlin and the Pentagon are turned into nursing homes for generals, presidents and other such shitheads, when the glass-aluminum skyscraper tombs of Phoenix, Arizona barely show above the sand dunes, why then, why then, why then by God maybe freemen and wildwomen on horses, free women and wild men can roam the sagebrush canyonlands in freedom--goddamit! Herding the feral cattle into box canyons, and gorge on bloody meat and bleeding f.cking internal organs, and dance all night to the music of fiddles! Banjos! Steel guitars! by the light of the reborn moon!--by God--Yes!
Edward Abbey
P.Roehling - 24 Mar 2006 07:46 GMT >>> Please notice the public response, also typical on this NG >>> virtually all idiots fail to stand up for their rights until [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] > > Edward Abbey And as a matter of fact, the FBI showed great interest in mister Abbey and his friends after he penned "The Monkey Wrench Gang". I think they wanted to pin the origins of the Earth Liberation Front on him, but he passed away before they could figure out how to do it.
Pete
Saddlebag - 24 Mar 2006 08:52 GMT > Herding the feral cattle into box canyons, and gorge on bloody meat and > bleeding f.cking internal organs, and dance all night to the music of > fiddles! Banjos! Steel guitars! by the light of the reborn moon!--by > God--Yes! > > Edward Abbey Just so long as you don't do it in a bar...in Texas. Texas is a state where you can legally drive down the road shooting your gun at someone you don't like, but have a beer in a bar? Gotta love GW's homestate. His logic does seem to be infectous.
sqidbait - 24 Mar 2006 09:09 GMT > > Herding the feral cattle into box canyons, and gorge on bloody meat and > > bleeding f.cking internal organs, and dance all night to the music of [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > you don't like, but have a beer in a bar? Gotta love GW's homestate. > His logic does seem to be infectous. It's an interesting place. I was in Dallas for business in '97. One night I went out to a steakhouse somewhere around Plano. Ordered a steak and a beer. The waiter then had to explain to me that only "members" could buy alcohol, but I could get a membership for $5. I had a great retort ready though: I looked at him blanky and said "huh?".
I must have had quite the expression on my face, 'cause he just went and got me a beer anyways. I guess it must have been part of some 'dry county' legislation?
-- Michael
Phil Scott - 24 Mar 2006 10:57 GMT  Signature Phil Scott Ideas are bullet proof.
> >> Herding the feral cattle into box canyons, and gorge on [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > homestate. > His logic does seem to be infectous. I spent 6 years in texas, mid 90's... it was legal to drive with a drink or a beer in your hand (as long as you didnt get over .08)..and you could do this while packing heat, concealed or otherwise.... damn I loved that state.
Now ...we have this eye watering rationale about tagging people in bars for having what amounts to more than one drink an hour?
....for a 90 lb woman, one drink puts them over the legal limit.
Now Kimbra...that girl was always over the legal limit...a red head in the finest tradition...but she got up at 5 am to jog 2 miles regardless.
Lupe's mexican restaurant and bar located on the outermost loop, far west side of town, where Westheimer blvd ends, then east a few miles... run by a crazy gringo, had no toilets in the mens room, just urinals...
so that if the men had to go potty they used the lady's room, and on occasion when the ladies wished to pee standing up, they used the mens room... I built their drive through margaritta stand when I was between projects in about 1993.
3 oz of tequilla in a big paper cup for 4.50, enough to put you way over the legal limit just by the fumes it gave off.
Phil Scott
Saddlebag - 24 Mar 2006 13:25 GMT > -- > Phil Scott [quoted text clipped - 19 lines] > > I spent 6 years in texas, mid 90's... I not only lived there for a few years in both the 60s and 80s, I was born there too. There are things I do like about Texas. GW and his fascist cop squads just ain't one of them Getting awfully crowded down there these days too. Dallas still has the highest percentage of knockout broads of anywhere I've ever been.
Troy the Troll - 24 Mar 2006 14:38 GMT >> I spent 6 years in texas, mid 90's... > > I not only lived there for a few years in both the 60s and 80s, I was > born there too. SADDLE! MAYBE WE'RE RELATED! MAYBE WE WERE SWITCHED AT BIRTH! My momma always did say I didn't resemble anyone else in the family. What town and hospital did you arrive in?
So how did a natural Texan like you end up a head in the sand problem dodger and Dem voter? I would have figured any natural born Texan wouldn't have your natural run and hide nature anywhere in their genes?
Saddlebag - 24 Mar 2006 23:43 GMT > SADDLE! MAYBE WE'RE RELATED! MAYBE WE WERE SWITCHED AT BIRTH! My momma > always did say I didn't resemble anyone else in the family. What town and > hospital did you arrive in? Santa Rosa in downtown San Antonio. y tu?
> So how did a natural Texan like you end up a head in the sand problem dodger > and Dem voter? Don't like living under the auspicies of the science hating, superstituous, greedy, war mongering, freedom hating, envoironment wrecking, superlying crackers of the GOP?
> I would have figured any natural born Texan wouldn't have > your natural run and hide nature anywhere in their genes? You are the one clamoring to send someone else's kiddies out to do YOUR dirty work Mr. Hide and Go Seek, not me.
Troy the Troll - 25 Mar 2006 02:29 GMT >> SADDLE! MAYBE WE'RE RELATED! MAYBE WE WERE SWITCHED AT BIRTH! My momma >> always did say I didn't resemble anyone else in the family. What town and >> hospital did you arrive in? > > Santa Rosa in downtown San Antonio. y tu? The old Air Force base in Fort Worth. Ah well...just an idea....
>> So how did a natural Texan like you end up a head in the sand problem >> dodger [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > You are the one clamoring to send someone else's kiddies out to do YOUR > dirty work Mr. Hide and Go Seek, not me. Better them than me I guess. Chickenhawk Troy...thats me.
Binder Dundat - 24 Mar 2006 16:29 GMT > why then by God maybe freemen and wildwomen on horses, free > women and wild men can roam the sagebrush canyonlands in freedom--goddamit! > Herding the feral cattle into box canyons, and gorge on bloody meat and > bleeding f.cking internal organs, and dance all night to the music of > fiddles! Banjos! Steel guitars! by the light of the reborn moon!--by > God--Yes! Oh, yes. Edward Abbey, the prophet of "Self Discovery in the Wilderness"...
That's what happens when a career college student takes a summer job in a fire watch tower in the desert and sits up there by himself with a bottle of whisky in one hand and his dick in the other hand and the tower gets hit by lightning.
Eco-Frankenstein was born there, on the South Rim one summer afternoon...
"Desert Solitaire" and other Edward Abbey books became cult classics in the 1970's, but, I came to the realization that he was describing the same plant species over and over to decorate his desert landscape (and I still don't know what most of them *look* like) and he was describing all the things that were running through his mind as he wandered through the desert canyons looking for a private canyon to get naked in so he could pleasure himself.
I was stricken by the thought that nobody could be simultaneously aware of so many different things as Abbey wrote about. OTOH, who would have bought a book where the author tightened up his prose to the point of being explicit about what he did with himself in the lonely canyons and on isolated mountain tops and on deserted islands?
Bryan - 25 Mar 2006 14:35 GMT > Oh, yes. Edward Abbey, the prophet of "Self Discovery in the > Wilderness"... [quoted text clipped - 20 lines] > being explicit about what he did with himself in the lonely canyons and > on isolated mountain tops and on deserted islands? "I've never read a review of one of my books that I couldn't have written better myself."
Ed Abbey
P.Roehling - 25 Mar 2006 20:29 GMT > "I've never read a review of one of my books that I couldn't have written > better myself." No doubt said somewhat tongue-in-cheek, but probably true of most successful writers. Critics aren't generally known for their creativity.
Pete
Binder Dundat - 25 Mar 2006 22:23 GMT > > "I've never read a review of one of my books that I couldn't have written > > better myself." > > No doubt said somewhat tongue-in-cheek, but probably true of most successful > writers. Critics aren't generally known for their creativity. No one enjoys the lyrical telling of a fabulous tale more than I do. I am ever looking for a new raconteur to transport me from reality into his world, whether it's new, or merely an oft-overwritten palimpsest, just shine a new light upon it, hook me with the first few sentences, and I'm going to keep reading until the writer's momentum slows...
There's a row of ignored books on the reference shelf of my local library. Those books list all possible plots and twists and denouements of formulaic novel writing. They're not for me.
And, there are Cliffs Notes and Pink Monkey online autopsies of Pulitzer prize winning novels, and I sometimes read the notes to see what sparkling gem some other reader got out of the story that I overlooked.
But, I want to read the real book first, to get its texture. I don't want to rechew hash...
The bard may sing and embellish and fly far away from some archetypal Song as he learned it from others.
But the poor critic is crippled by his need for objectivity. To maintain a rational perpective so that he may be recognized as a critic, he must forego gushing with enthusiasm about what he may or may not have enjoyed immensely.
Compared to juicy, delicious, savory *ideas*, objective facts are tough and dry, and the purveyors of such stale goods are shunned.
Bryan - 26 Mar 2006 01:46 GMT > The bard may sing and embellish and fly far away from some archetypal > Song as he learned it from others. [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > Compared to juicy, delicious, savory *ideas*, objective facts are tough > and dry, and the purveyors of such stale goods are shunned. Holy smokes, you are starting to read like that Henry dude of "civil disobedience" fame.
May I recommend, Vagabond for Beauty, the writings of Everett Ruesse (sp?).
Bryan
Binder Dundat - 26 Mar 2006 21:12 GMT > > Compared to juicy, delicious, savory *ideas*, objective facts are tough > > and dry, and the purveyors of such stale goods are shunned. > > Holy smokes, you are starting to read like that Henry dude of "civil > disobedience" fame. Would you rather read the congressional record or an expose on the doings of "The Hillbillies" at the Bohemian Grove summer camp? Mugshots of the usual RepubliCon suspects are on prisonplanet.com
> May I recommend, Vagabond for Beauty, the writings of Everett Ruesse (sp?). "Vagabond" is somewhere in the valley library system, so I will reserve it if I like "On Desert Trails" which is in the local library.
But, I'm already turned off by Ruess' excessive use of the subjunctive and employment of the pathetic fallacy after reading just a few of his poems found online...
Go ahead, call me a critic, it doesn't bother me a bit.
Troy the Troll - 24 Mar 2006 01:47 GMT > Please notice the public response, also typical on this NG virtually > all idiots fail to stand up for their rights until it is too late to do > anything about it. Versus say the idiots who think any speed they wish to travel is "safe" and waste the courts time displaying their ignorance? Same courts which have many idiots to deal with and obviously recognize senior citizen ex-scientologist idiots as well as the regular kind?
~kurt - 24 Mar 2006 03:07 GMT Phil, your have been starting your posts with "--" at the top quite often. I think it might be the way you are snipping posts. Just a suggestion, but the "--" is generally used to signify the beginning of a signature, and many people configure their newsreaders to automatically trim the sig.
- kurt
Robert Striemer - 25 Mar 2006 00:35 GMT What's drunk and public in Texas?
What if you're foreign - like from Canada or some other planet? What's the penalty then?
Just wondering in case I go there some day.
Rob
> http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/11965237/ Binder Dundat - 25 Mar 2006 16:50 GMT > What's drunk and public in Texas? A bar is a public place. A preacher or a prostitute can walk into a bar and be shocked at what goes on inside. Maybe members of a private, members-only club could get as drunk as they pleased behind locked doors though. Tell 'em "Joe sent me."
Exhibiting any evidence of public intoxication, such as out-of-control behavior, in a bar in Texas *may* result in an undercover officer asking you to go outside where a field sobriety test will be administered. The same blood alcohol level ( 0.08%), will cause you to receive a citation, and upon your signature, you will be promising to appear to face the citation.
Really out-of-control drunks will spend a night in the drunk tank and see the magistrate in the morning.
The undercover officer works inside the bar because the Texas Alcoholic Beverage Control Board also wants to cite the bartender and fine the business owner or revoke his license.
This apparently "insane" law where you're not supposed to get drunk in public has been on the books for 70 years. The moral pendulum in America swings back and forth. During the wars, drinking was more tolerable, because the soldiers getting drunk might never return. During times of peace and fiscal austerity, the public drunk was regarded as someone who wasn't contributing to the betterment of society.
Younger people would tend to be annoyed and upset by the Texas public intoxication law because their own parents were probably substance abusers during the Viet Nam war.
The college kids of the 1970's figured that they might as well party hearty tonight, because they might be drafted tomorrow.
The average thirty-something cubicle dweller in an office with a college degree on his wall might not remember very much about his college days and his memories of his college weekends were probably obliterated by alcohol.
That guy's college age kids have no idea of what the limits are. They are third generation party animals.
The University of California at S***** B****** is located in I*** V*****, and IV is a college town to beat all college towns. Spring break is about to break out *every* weekend In IV.
The local police have to break up Hallowe'en riots that resemble Mardi Gras. The kids get angry at the cops, just like the Mardi Gras revellers used to get mad at the New Orleans police when they arrested them for public drunkenness or having sex in public.
Same thing in IV. The college students would tell the cops, "Hey, man, this is I*** V*****! We're here to party!"
I remember what one kid had to say after a UCSB student went crazy and ran over several students with his car, killing them. The kid complained that college was supposed to be about "having a good time", and that the crazed driver had ruined everything for the UCSB students.
Obviously, the moral pendulum had swung to its extreme that evening in I*** V****, CA.
> What if you're foreign - like from Canada or some other planet? What's the > penalty then? The typical maximum penalty for any misdemeanor offense in the USA is $500 and/or 180 days in jail. But the first offender usually receives a fine of about 1/3rd the maximum. Second offenders typically are fined about $500, third offenders will be fined about $1000
In the cities, you get the citation and never show up, because you've returned to Canada.
But, in some really small southern towns, the sheriff works closely with a magistrate or justice of the peace, so the arresting officer escorts you directly to hizzoner and you get all the insatnt justice you can afford.
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