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Stephan Rose - 23 Mar 2006 10:55 GMT
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Phil Scott - 23 Mar 2006 20:35 GMT
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   Please notice the public response, also typical on this NG
virtually all idiots fail to stand up for their rights until
it is too late to do anything about it.

  A 90 lb person in a bar after one drink is legally under
the influence.   After two drinks within an hour most people
are legally under the influence and are charged routinely with
drunk driving.

 Many idiots are too dense to fathom what is going on,

Any corrupt government tightens its noose slowly...and not
because civil servants are bad people...these are *not bad
people, they are just people who want to keep employed, and in
many cases insure a lush retirement for themselves.

...the citizenry gets used to the ongoing restrictions and
then accepts the next restriction, bogus tax or elevated fee
as par for the course... its not an accidental strategy.

  Whats happening now in the US is that we are increasingly
competing with people willing to work for 2 dollars a day, a
bunk and a bowl of rice...

GM and Ford are staving off bankrupcy (its been headline news
with GM yesterday)... this is relevant because it is the tax
base that pays for the police retirements at 100 to 150k k a
year at stake...   the noose must get tight in order to force
an income stream from those now without work, or working for a
quarter of their previous rate..

Tightening the noose is one way to habituate the public into
compliance.

When all those homes bought on easy credit are taxed to the
max the public will be used to working itself to death and
complying with rediculous demands, such as do not drink more
than one drink an hour in a bar, even though anyone can call a
taxi or get a friend to drive them home.

Notice the well crafted rationale... 'the guy could jump off a
balcony and miss the pool'...so we will arrest him first.
Utter insanity.

the same approach will be applied to extract the last dime
from each working person, person who owns any property or
retirement (say for instance the average 900 dollars a month
in social security..that will be taxed or hyper inflated to
worthlessness in order to keep the civil servants retiring at
10,000 dollars a month in many cases..and at age 51 or earlier
in many cases).

The US govt *must hyper inflate the currency, or double taxes
to pay for its bloat...or collapse.   (in the past when
government printed money, called increasing the money supply,
it had to anounce the amounts publicly, a law was passed in
congress last year allowing govt to keep the amount  secret).

A resurrection of the US economy is not going to happen and
its no secret...the labor / skills base is evaporating at
light speed... but the bloated government keeps growing.

Any civil unrest will result in a doubling of
government...thats the final stage in the life of any nation.
There is not enough production to pay for such crap without
starving the productive segment  to death...    the problem
reverses not when government gets smart... it ends when the
population dies off.

All through history govt has not been smart enough to avoid
strangling its own poplulations to death to support itself.

The bar thing in Texas is not actually about drinking in my
view, its about habituating the public to insane government.

There might be an added motive.  Productivity in the US
suffers badly from people taking drugs and drinking the
previous night and arriving at work loaded, or hung over.

Ive seen statistics in the 40% range, you would have to do
your own research.  Losses are into the hundreds of billions
of dollars a year...we cannot afford our bombing for peace
programs in the middle east, and rich civil servant
retirements if this working class SCUM is allowed to drink
more than one beer...  that should be clear.

Government needs its working class to be sober, well rested,
not hung over, and working 50 to 60 hours a week, at half
previous rates, and more net taxation in order for govt to
survive.      Government of course is not the nation...it is
the leach on the nations back that our funding fathers did
their best to limit or starve to death if possible.    That
great experiment has failed.

 (it failed because we became a democracy, never intended by
the founding fathers... but then most people don't know that,
they think democracy is a good thing and that we should be
spreading it world wide....for those in shock at this remark
searching google for 'democracy. mobocracy, republic, founding
fathers'  will bring up their writings at the time and
inclusion of those into our US bill of rights and constitution
... being ignorant in these areas has proven fatal it seems)

As the tax base collapses and we need people to work 50 hours
a week for half the money, being hung over or tired due to
being out late drinking....  won't work.... as the tax base of
any nation goes into collapse, government always takes stern
measures to get the money it needs to stay fat and dominant.

thats just how it is.  Its also human nature.

these things are linked...none of this insanity happens in a
vacuum.

When government sees a problem, govt comes up with a
'solution'... any solution but less goverment of course or
cutting their retirement benefits that now exceed in many
cases what a working MD earns,

amazing isnt it.  Now the problem is funding a bloated
governemt, governments solution is finding more ways to nail
the last of the tax payers.

these messes always drive themselves out the bottom.

Phil Scott
Saddlebag - 23 Mar 2006 23:43 GMT
>     Please notice the public response, also typical on this NG
> virtually all idiots fail to stand up for their rights until
> it is too late to do anything about it.

Rights? We don't need no stinkin rights here in the US of A. You can
take that commie talk somewhere else Mr. Scott.
Bryan - 24 Mar 2006 03:54 GMT
>>     Please notice the public response, also typical on this NG
>> virtually all idiots fail to stand up for their rights until
>> it is too late to do anything about it.
>
> Rights? We don't need no stinkin rights here in the US of A. You can
> take that commie talk somewhere else Mr. Scott.

When the cities are gone...and all the ruckus has died away, when sunflowers
push up through the concrete and asphalt of forgotten interstate freeways,
when the Kremlin and the Pentagon are turned into nursing homes for
generals, presidents and other such shitheads, when the glass-aluminum
skyscraper tombs of Phoenix, Arizona barely show above the sand dunes, why
then, why then, why then by God maybe freemen and wildwomen on horses, free
women and wild men can roam the sagebrush canyonlands in freedom--goddamit!
Herding the feral cattle into box canyons, and gorge on bloody meat and
bleeding f.cking internal organs, and dance all night to the music of
fiddles! Banjos! Steel guitars! by the light of the reborn moon!--by
God--Yes!

Edward Abbey
P.Roehling - 24 Mar 2006 07:46 GMT
>>>     Please notice the public response, also typical on this NG
>>> virtually all idiots fail to stand up for their rights until
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>
> Edward Abbey

And as a matter of fact, the FBI showed great interest in mister Abbey and
his friends after he penned "The Monkey Wrench Gang".
I think they wanted to pin the origins of the Earth Liberation Front on him,
but he passed away before they could figure out how to do it.

Pete
Saddlebag - 24 Mar 2006 08:52 GMT
> Herding the feral cattle into box canyons, and gorge on bloody meat and
> bleeding f.cking internal organs, and dance all night to the music of
> fiddles! Banjos! Steel guitars! by the light of the reborn moon!--by
> God--Yes!
>
> Edward Abbey

Just so long as you don't do it in a bar...in Texas. Texas is a state
where you can legally drive down the road shooting your gun at someone
you don't like, but have a beer in a bar? Gotta love GW's homestate.
His logic does seem to be infectous.
sqidbait - 24 Mar 2006 09:09 GMT
> > Herding the feral cattle into box canyons, and gorge on bloody meat and
> > bleeding f.cking internal organs, and dance all night to the music of
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> you don't like, but have a beer in a bar? Gotta love GW's homestate.
> His logic does seem to be infectous.

It's an interesting place. I was in Dallas for business in '97. One
night I went out to a steakhouse somewhere around Plano.
Ordered a steak and a beer. The waiter then had to explain to
me that only "members" could buy alcohol, but I could get a
membership for $5. I had a great retort ready though: I looked
at him blanky and said "huh?".

I must have had quite the expression on my face, 'cause he
just went and got me a beer anyways. I guess it must have
been part of some 'dry county' legislation?

-- Michael
Phil Scott - 24 Mar 2006 10:57 GMT
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Phil Scott
Ideas are bullet proof.

>
>> Herding the feral cattle into box canyons, and gorge on
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> homestate.
> His logic does seem to be infectous.

I spent 6 years in texas, mid 90's... it was legal to drive
with a drink or a beer in your hand (as long as you didnt get
over .08)..and you could do this while packing heat, concealed
or otherwise.... damn I loved that state.

Now ...we have this eye watering rationale about tagging
people in bars for having what amounts to more than one drink
an hour?

....for a 90 lb woman, one drink puts them over the legal
limit.

Now Kimbra...that girl was always over the legal limit...a red
head in the finest tradition...but she got up at 5 am to jog 2
miles regardless.

Lupe's mexican restaurant and bar located on the outermost
loop, far west side of town, where Westheimer blvd ends, then
east a few miles... run by a crazy gringo, had no toilets in
the mens room, just urinals...

so that if the men had to go potty they used the lady's room,
and on occasion when the ladies wished to pee standing up,
they used the mens room... I built their drive through
margaritta stand when I was between projects in about 1993.

3 oz of tequilla  in a big paper cup for 4.50, enough to put
you way over the legal limit just by the fumes it gave off.

Phil Scott
Saddlebag - 24 Mar 2006 13:25 GMT
> --
> Phil Scott
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>
> I spent 6 years in texas, mid 90's...

I not only lived there for a few years in both the 60s and 80s, I was
born there too. There are things I do like about Texas. GW and his
fascist cop squads just ain't one of them Getting awfully crowded down
there these days too. Dallas still has the highest percentage of
knockout broads of anywhere I've ever been.
Troy the Troll - 24 Mar 2006 14:38 GMT
>> I spent 6 years in texas, mid 90's...
>
> I not only lived there for a few years in both the 60s and 80s, I was
> born there too.

SADDLE! MAYBE WE'RE RELATED! MAYBE WE WERE SWITCHED AT BIRTH! My momma
always did say I didn't resemble anyone else in the family. What town and
hospital did you arrive in?

So how did a natural Texan like you end up a head in the sand problem dodger
and Dem voter? I would have figured any natural born Texan wouldn't have
your natural run and hide nature anywhere in their genes?
Saddlebag - 24 Mar 2006 23:43 GMT
> SADDLE! MAYBE WE'RE RELATED! MAYBE WE WERE SWITCHED AT BIRTH! My momma
> always did say I didn't resemble anyone else in the family. What town and
> hospital did you arrive in?

Santa Rosa in downtown San Antonio. y tu?

> So how did a natural Texan like you end up a head in the sand problem dodger
> and Dem voter?

Don't like living under the auspicies of the science hating,
superstituous, greedy, war mongering, freedom hating, envoironment
wrecking, superlying crackers of the GOP?

> I would have figured any natural born Texan wouldn't have
> your natural run and hide nature anywhere in their genes?

You are the one clamoring to send someone else's kiddies out to do YOUR
dirty work Mr. Hide and Go Seek, not me.
Troy the Troll - 25 Mar 2006 02:29 GMT
>> SADDLE! MAYBE WE'RE RELATED! MAYBE WE WERE SWITCHED AT BIRTH! My momma
>> always did say I didn't resemble anyone else in the family. What town and
>> hospital did you arrive in?
>
> Santa Rosa in downtown San Antonio. y tu?

The old Air Force base in Fort Worth. Ah well...just an idea....

>> So how did a natural Texan like you end up a head in the sand problem
>> dodger
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> You are the one clamoring to send someone else's kiddies out to do YOUR
> dirty work Mr. Hide and Go Seek, not me.

Better them than me I guess. Chickenhawk Troy...thats me.
Binder Dundat - 24 Mar 2006 16:29 GMT
> why then by God maybe freemen and wildwomen on horses, free
> women and wild men can roam the sagebrush canyonlands in freedom--goddamit!
> Herding the feral cattle into box canyons, and gorge on bloody meat and
> bleeding f.cking internal organs, and dance all night to the music of
> fiddles! Banjos! Steel guitars! by the light of the reborn moon!--by
> God--Yes!

Oh, yes. Edward Abbey, the prophet of "Self Discovery in the
Wilderness"...

That's what happens when a career college student takes a summer job in
a fire watch tower in the desert and sits up there by himself with a
bottle of whisky in one hand and his dick in the other hand and the
tower gets hit by lightning.

Eco-Frankenstein was born there, on the South Rim one summer
afternoon...

"Desert Solitaire" and other Edward Abbey books became cult classics in
the 1970's, but, I came to the realization that he was describing the
same plant species over and over to decorate his desert landscape (and
I still don't know what most of them *look* like) and he was describing
all the things that were running through his mind as he wandered
through the desert canyons looking for a private canyon to get naked in
so he could pleasure himself.

I was stricken by the thought that nobody could be simultaneously aware
of so many different things as Abbey wrote about. OTOH, who would have
bought a book where the author tightened up his prose to the point of
being explicit about what he did with himself in the lonely canyons and
on isolated mountain tops and on deserted islands?
Bryan - 25 Mar 2006 14:35 GMT
> Oh, yes. Edward Abbey, the prophet of "Self Discovery in the
> Wilderness"...
[quoted text clipped - 20 lines]
> being explicit about what he did with himself in the lonely canyons and
> on isolated mountain tops and on deserted islands?

"I've never read a review of one of my books that I couldn't have written
better myself."

Ed Abbey
P.Roehling - 25 Mar 2006 20:29 GMT
> "I've never read a review of one of my books that I couldn't have written
> better myself."

No doubt said somewhat tongue-in-cheek, but probably true of most successful
writers. Critics aren't generally known for their creativity.

Pete
Binder Dundat - 25 Mar 2006 22:23 GMT
> > "I've never read a review of one of my books that I couldn't have written
> > better myself."
>
> No doubt said somewhat tongue-in-cheek, but probably true of most successful
> writers. Critics aren't generally known for their creativity.

No one enjoys the lyrical telling of a fabulous tale more than I do. I
am ever looking for a new raconteur to transport me from reality into
his world, whether it's new, or merely an oft-overwritten palimpsest,
just shine a new light upon it, hook me with the first few sentences,
and I'm going to keep reading until the writer's momentum slows...

There's a row of ignored books on the reference shelf of my local
library. Those books list all possible plots and twists and denouements
of formulaic novel writing. They're not for me.

And, there are Cliffs Notes and Pink Monkey online autopsies of
Pulitzer prize winning novels, and I sometimes read the notes to see
what sparkling gem some other reader got out of the story that I
overlooked.

But, I want to read the real book first, to get its texture. I don't
want to rechew hash...

The bard may sing and embellish and fly far away from some archetypal
Song as he learned it from others.

But the poor critic is crippled by his need for objectivity. To
maintain a rational perpective so that he may be recognized as a
critic, he must forego gushing with enthusiasm about what he may or may
not have enjoyed immensely.

Compared to juicy, delicious, savory *ideas*, objective facts are tough
and dry, and the purveyors of such stale goods are shunned.
Bryan - 26 Mar 2006 01:46 GMT
> The bard may sing and embellish and fly far away from some archetypal
> Song as he learned it from others.
[quoted text clipped - 6 lines]
> Compared to juicy, delicious, savory *ideas*, objective facts are tough
> and dry, and the purveyors of such stale goods are shunned.

Holy smokes, you are starting to read like that Henry dude of "civil
disobedience" fame.

May I recommend, Vagabond for Beauty, the writings of Everett Ruesse (sp?).

Bryan
Binder Dundat - 26 Mar 2006 21:12 GMT
> > Compared to juicy, delicious, savory *ideas*, objective facts are tough
> > and dry, and the purveyors of such stale goods are shunned.
>
> Holy smokes, you are starting to read like that Henry dude of "civil
> disobedience" fame.

Would you rather read the congressional record or an expose on the
doings of "The Hillbillies" at the Bohemian Grove summer camp? Mugshots
of the usual RepubliCon suspects are on prisonplanet.com

> May I recommend, Vagabond for Beauty, the writings of Everett Ruesse (sp?).

"Vagabond" is somewhere in the valley library system, so I will reserve
it if I like "On Desert Trails" which is in the local library.

But, I'm already turned off by Ruess' excessive use of the subjunctive
and employment of the pathetic fallacy after reading just a few of his
poems found online...

Go ahead, call me a critic, it doesn't bother me a bit.
Troy the Troll - 24 Mar 2006 01:47 GMT
>    Please notice the public response, also typical on this NG virtually
> all idiots fail to stand up for their rights until it is too late to do
> anything about it.

Versus say the idiots who think any speed they wish to travel is "safe" and
waste the courts time displaying their ignorance? Same courts which have
many idiots to deal with and obviously recognize senior citizen
ex-scientologist idiots as well as the regular kind?
~kurt - 24 Mar 2006 03:07 GMT
Phil, your have been starting your posts with "--" at the top quite often.
I think it might be the way you are snipping posts.  Just a suggestion, but
the "--" is generally used to signify the beginning of a signature, and many
people configure their newsreaders to automatically trim the sig.

- kurt
Robert Striemer - 25 Mar 2006 00:35 GMT
What's drunk and public in Texas?

What if you're foreign - like from Canada or some other planet? What's the
penalty then?

Just wondering in case I go there some day.

Rob

> http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/11965237/
Binder Dundat - 25 Mar 2006 16:50 GMT
> What's drunk and public in Texas?

A bar is a public place. A preacher or a prostitute can walk into a bar
and be shocked at what goes on inside. Maybe members of a private,
members-only club could get as drunk as they pleased behind locked
doors though. Tell 'em "Joe sent me."

Exhibiting any evidence of public intoxication, such as out-of-control
behavior, in a bar in Texas *may* result in an undercover officer
asking you to go outside where a field sobriety test will be
administered. The same blood alcohol level ( 0.08%), will cause you to
receive a citation, and upon your signature, you will be promising to
appear to face the citation.

Really out-of-control drunks will spend a night in the drunk tank and
see the magistrate in the morning.

The undercover officer works inside the bar because the Texas Alcoholic
Beverage Control Board also wants to cite the bartender and fine the
business owner or revoke his license.

This apparently "insane" law where you're not supposed to get drunk in
public has been on the books for 70 years. The moral pendulum in
America swings back and forth. During the wars, drinking was more
tolerable, because the soldiers getting drunk might never return.
During times of peace and fiscal austerity, the public drunk was
regarded as someone who wasn't contributing to the betterment of
society.

Younger people would tend to be annoyed and upset by the Texas public
intoxication law because their own parents were probably substance
abusers during the Viet Nam war.

The college kids of the 1970's figured that they might as well party
hearty tonight, because they might be drafted tomorrow.

The average thirty-something cubicle dweller in an office with a
college degree on his wall might not remember very much about his
college days and his memories of his college weekends were probably
obliterated by alcohol.

That guy's college age kids have no idea of what the limits are. They
are third generation party animals.

The University of California at S***** B****** is located in I***
V*****, and IV is a college town to beat all college towns. Spring
break is about to break out *every* weekend In IV.

The local police have to break up Hallowe'en riots that resemble Mardi
Gras. The kids get angry at the cops, just like the Mardi Gras
revellers used to get mad at the New Orleans police when they arrested
them for public drunkenness or having sex in public.

Same thing in IV. The college students would tell the cops, "Hey, man,
this is I*** V*****! We're here to party!"

I remember what one kid had to say after a UCSB student went crazy and
ran over several students with his car, killing them. The kid
complained that college was supposed to be about "having a good time",
and that the crazed driver had ruined everything for the UCSB students.

Obviously, the moral pendulum had swung to its extreme that evening in
I*** V****, CA.

> What if you're foreign - like from Canada or some other planet? What's the
> penalty then?

The typical maximum penalty for any misdemeanor offense in the USA is
$500 and/or 180 days in jail. But the first offender usually receives a
fine of about 1/3rd the maximum. Second offenders typically are fined
about $500, third offenders will be fined about $1000

In the cities, you get the citation and never show up, because you've
returned to Canada.

But, in some really small southern towns, the sheriff works closely
with a magistrate or justice of the peace, so the arresting officer
escorts you directly to hizzoner and you get all the insatnt justice
you can afford.
 
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