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Motorcycle Forum / General / Sportbikes / March 2006New Bike Pics and Whining...
Maybe I'm just getting old. 20 years ago, new bike in the garage, I would still be out in 35F weather tooling around appreciating it. Tonight? 20 miles in 40F weather and I'm ready to go home, worse yet, I'm ready to go home and WHINE about the bike. So here is the good stuff first. New bike nekkid... http://home.comcast.net/~f4boy/nekkid.JPG New bike with luggage... http://home.comcast.net/~f4boy/racked.JPG http://home.comcast.net/~f4boy/racked1.JPG Now the whining. 4 years ago nearly to the month I rode one of these things and decided before I die I HAD to have one. It was that good. And I've ridden exactly THIS bike before as well, matter of fact, its got 1700 miles on the odometer and I'll bet 200+ of those are mine. So I go for a ride this evening....and the entire bike was irritating me. Its big....much bigger than the mighty mite, much heftier and bigger than the Gixxer. 100 pounds wet weight heavier than both, more or less. The thing is comfy, and has NICE luggage for traveling, and is strong, and starts right up even after a winter of sitting. Its been 5 months since I've been out on a track, so I'm rusty, and I'm careful, but I can't get over the idea that the thing feels like a freight train, top heavy to boot, feels like it needs a steering damper, stronger front springs to keep the nose from diving so much, more grab and better bite out of the brakes, and better fuel injection function below 2500rpms. Lug this thing and it'll jack hammer you into submission, believe me. The windblast ALL around the helmet is pretty fierce, something I don't remember from my 2002 ride, the hand guards don't keep SQUAT wind off your hands ( 40F and I wasn't wearing gloves...something completely possible behind the cold weather aerodynamic package on the mighty mite). The tranny shifts from N->1 and 1->2 with a ker-CHUNK....I mean, it feels SOLID, but after the buttery smooth 750 tranny, and the not so bad at all mighty mite, what the hell is the deal? Its WAY more than I need for connuting to the office, whereas the mighty mite is an absolute jewel slicing through traffic, ready for its big 8K moment squid shotting traffic, this thing feels like you are patrolling Santa Monica harbor with the USS Iowa, but not quite that bad, but CLOSE. Out on the interstate at 70mph it felt perfectly fine, except for the soft front end, which I might be able to solve with some heavy handed preload adjusting, but thats this weekends problem. The seat is tall, and I've already kicked 2 bags getting on and off the thing. I must just be spoiled, spoiled by purpose built machines like the 750, and the "do everything better than most other bikes can do anything" mighty mite. Or I'm just getting old and the mighty mite is more than enough machine for most of the kind of riding I do. I'm getting too practical....this is a really nice bike....maybe I'll feel better about it after it hits 65F this weekend and I take it for a long fast ride somewhere ( where the mighty mite tends to fall flat ). Maybe I'll feel better if I test rode a MultiStrada and realized it isn't much different ( which would at least mean my tastes were wandering somewhere else rather than just wandering away from this particular bike ), or some other powerful standard......I don't know. I suppose I will know when I fix the crash damage on the mighty mite and I'm faced each morning and weekend with the choice of riding one or the other....after a few weekends I'll know by the percentage of times I reach for the keys for whichever I suppose. > Maybe I'm just getting old. 20 years ago, new bike in the garage, I would > still be out in 35F weather tooling around appreciating it. Tonight? 20 > miles in 40F weather and I'm ready to go home, worse yet, I'm ready to go > home and WHINE about the bike. Very cool. I was wondering if you got the yellow one. I used to see a bike exactly like that on my morning commute. Despite all your whining, know this: that bike can take you around the world. Think about it, that bike is a modern sportbike/tourer/adventurer/v-twin wrapped in one package. That is the perfect bike for the old Pony Express Trail from Salt Lake to Nevada. I want one. Bryan With respect, you are talking too early. Every time in my life I have got a new bike I have longed for what I had before and fallen into a kick-the-cat black funk ... and then a dawn has come and there is an epifany .. and I get to learn and adapt and fall in love with the friggin thing ... and then I wonder what THAT whining was all about ... until I get rid of it and repeat the cycle again, because I keep forgetting taht it even happens. Your bike is a great choice is my humble opinion. In fact, I very nearly went that way but I have a huge top-box on the SVthou and so I tell myself that I get to eat my cake and keep it too. But in truth, I would have morphed into either bike. So give it time. You know a lot about bikes, but get to understand this one. Learn what the bike can do, get out of your groove and create a new one - that is your opportunity. It was a great choice. > Maybe I'm just getting old. 20 years ago, new bike in the garage, I would > still be out in 35F weather tooling around appreciating it. Tonight? 20 [quoted text clipped - 62 lines] > other....after a few weekends I'll know by the percentage of times I reach > for the keys for whichever I suppose. Troy enjoy the bike. So it handles like a tugboat in a hurricane. It has great storage and great reliability. You have the little mini 650 to keep you happy in the handling department. >Maybe I'm just getting old. 20 years ago, new bike in the garage, I would >still be out in 35F weather tooling around appreciating it. Tonight? 20 [quoted text clipped - 61 lines] >other....after a few weekends I'll know by the percentage of times I reach >for the keys for whichever I suppose. Regards Mike > Troy enjoy the bike. So it handles like a tugboat in a hurricane. Yeah but if I had wanted a Buell I would have bought one. At least its a decent v-twin versus the "other" kind. > It > has great storage and great reliability. You have the little mini 650 > to keep you happy in the handling department. the problem is, the 650 isn't just a "handler". Give it a bigger gas tank and its perfectly acceptable for cross country jaunts. Hell, its acceptable for cross country jaunts WITHOUT a bigger gas tank...you just have to stop more often than someone might like. >> Troy enjoy the bike. So it handles like a tugboat in a hurricane. > >Yeah but if I had wanted a Buell I would have bought one. At least its a >decent v-twin versus the "other" kind. The Buell lump is a descent street engine. It is nothing short of a miracle they actually use them for the race bike while putting out over 150 rwhp. >> It >> has great storage and great reliability. You have the little mini 650 [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] >for cross country jaunts WITHOUT a bigger gas tank...you just have to stop >more often than someone might like. Sometimes you may need to stop but, you may find there are no gas stations in sight. Well depending on where you are riding. That all said the little itty bitty 650 was not designed for touring. Regards Mike > >> Troy enjoy the bike. So it handles like a tugboat in a hurricane. > > [quoted text clipped - 17 lines] > stations in sight. Well depending on where you are riding. That all > said the little itty bitty 650 was not designed for touring. I have decided to pull a mold from the fairing on my ST1100, make a copy, and then buy another SV and mount said fairing and add some Givi bags. Since no one wants to make a small, light and fun sport touring bike...I'll make my own.  SignatureTweak [snip] > > >the problem is, the 650 isn't just a "handler". Give it a bigger gas tank > > >and its perfectly acceptable for cross country jaunts. Hell, its acceptable [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > bags. Since no one wants to make a small, light and fun sport touring > bike...I'll make my own. Honda actually makes one, but American Honda doesn't import it: http://www.mcnews.com.au/Testing/Honda/Deauville/Page1.htm -- Michael > [snip] > > > >the problem is, the 650 isn't just a "handler". Give it a bigger gas tank [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] > > -- Michael Needs that big ST fairing/windshield, though. Otherwise I get chilly. SignatureTweak >> >> Troy enjoy the bike. So it handles like a tugboat in a hurricane. >> > [quoted text clipped - 25 lines] > bags. Since no one wants to make a small, light and fun sport touring > bike...I'll make my own. There are a few... VStrom 650, Honda Deauville.. but I agree, more options are needed > The Buell lump is a descent street engine. It is nothing short of a > miracle they actually use them for the race bike while putting out > over 150 rwhp. Must mean those pesky 600's were making 170HP then, considering how badly the Buells were getting spanked on a BIG track which would reward horsepower. > Sometimes you may need to stop but, you may find there are no gas > stations in sight. Well depending on where you are riding. That all > said the little itty bitty 650 was not designed for touring. > Regards > > Mike Yeah but what is amazing is it will do trackwork and it can still go touring. I found a website where one lady ran hers to Alaska....but I must admit, when I was in Deadhorse Alaska, it was KLR's and VStroms and Beemers and crashed Hardleys...didn't see any sv650's that day. > I must just be spoiled, spoiled by purpose built machines like the 750, and > the "do everything better than most other bikes can do anything" mighty mite. There's an mint RC30 on Ebay... own the legendary 750... http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Honda-RC30-VFR750R-RC-30-VFR-750R-HONDA-VFR750R-R C30-SUPER-MINT-RARE-BIKE_W0QQitemZ4623058331QQcategoryZ6708QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem Larry L 94 RC45 #2 Have a wheelie NICE day... Lean & Mean it in every corner of your life... If it wasn't for us the fast lane would rust... V4'S are music to the seat of my pants... 1952 De Havilland Chipmunk... Yank and bank your brains loose... http://members.ebay.com/aboutme/-xlax-/ http://home.comcast.net/~netters2/ http://www.fox302.com/index.pl?s=vg&user=netters2 http://www.reeky.org/gallery/xlax >> I must just be spoiled, spoiled by purpose built machines like the 750, >> and [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > There's an mint RC30 on Ebay... own the legendary 750... > http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Honda-RC30-VFR750R-RC-30-VFR-750R-HONDA-VFR750R-R C30-SUPER-MINT-RARE-BIKE_W0QQitemZ4623058331QQcategoryZ6708QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem I already owned a 750. If I had wanted another trackbike, I would have kept the all conquering, lightweight and supremely powerful Suzuki 750. > > I must just be spoiled, spoiled by purpose built machines like the 750, and > > the "do everything better than most other bikes can do anything" mighty mite. > > There's an mint RC30 on Ebay... own the legendary 750... > http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Honda-RC30-VFR750R-RC-30-VFR-750R-HONDA-VFR750R-R C30-SUPER-MINT-RARE-BIKE_W0QQitemZ4623058331QQcategoryZ6708QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem 30 grand for something a thrashed 5 year old gixxer for 3 grand would spank from here to Sunday. I guess if you wanted decoration in the living room... SignatureTweak >> > I must just be spoiled, spoiled by purpose built machines like the 750, and >> > the "do everything better than most other bikes can do anything" mighty mite. [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] >spank from here to Sunday. I guess if you wanted decoration in the >living room... LOL! At least with the Buell going slow is affordable. Good Lord Larry when you going to get off this Honda kick you are on? Regards Mike > LOL! At least with the Buell going slow is affordable. Good Lord > Larry when you going to get off this Honda kick you are on? Mr.Honda was a genius that even Mr. Buell worships... so what else is there in the world of motorcyling for Erik to spend his millions on than a mint RC30??? Larry L 94 RC45 #2 Have a wheelie NICE day... Lean & Mean it in every corner of your life... If it wasn't for us the fast lane would rust... V4'S are music to the seat of my pants... 1952 De Havilland Chipmunk... Yank and bank your brains loose... http://members.ebay.com/aboutme/-xlax-/ http://home.comcast.net/~netters2/ http://www.fox302.com/index.pl?s=vg&user=netters2 http://www.reeky.org/gallery/xlax > 30 grand for something a thrashed 5 year old gixxer for 3 grand would > spank from here to Sunday. I guess if you wanted decoration in the > living room... So you can't picture any use for a bike except being the "biggest" guy on the block? Pete > > 30 grand for something a thrashed 5 year old gixxer for 3 grand would > > spank from here to Sunday. I guess if you wanted decoration in the [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > Pete For a "pedigreed sportbike"? Pretty much, unless you are a collector. SignatureTweak > 30 grand for something a thrashed 5 year old gixxer for 3 grand would > spank from here to Sunday. I guess if you wanted decoration in the > living room... RC30 Club members are all consummate riders and would be glad to show you the way on your 3 grand Gixxer... but you're right about the RC30 being an object to behold in your living room... http://www.northbaysportriders.com/forums/uploads/1132474755/gallery_300_42_1214 04.jpg Larry L 94 RC45 #2 Have a wheelie NICE day... Lean & Mean it in every corner of your life... If it wasn't for us the fast lane would rust... V4'S are music to the seat of my pants... 1952 De Havilland Chipmunk... Yank and bank your brains loose... http://members.ebay.com/aboutme/-xlax-/ http://home.comcast.net/~netters2/ http://www.fox302.com/index.pl?s=vg&user=netters2 http://www.reeky.org/gallery/xlax > > 30 grand for something a thrashed 5 year old gixxer for 3 grand would > > spank from here to Sunday. I guess if you wanted decoration in the > > living room... > > RC30 Club members are all consummate riders and would be glad to show you the > way on your 3 grand Gixxer... And would probably commit suicide once soundly trounced by a stunted out, fur covered gixxer. SignatureTweak > And would probably commit suicide once soundly trounced by a stunted > out, fur covered gixxer. Stunters freeze up like a small animal at the sight of a tight technical corner... they break... we pass... Larry L 94 RC45 #2 Have a wheelie NICE day... Lean & Mean it in every corner of your life... If it wasn't for us the fast lane would rust... V4'S are music to the seat of my pants... 1952 De Havilland Chipmunk... Yank and bank your brains loose... http://members.ebay.com/aboutme/-xlax-/ http://home.comcast.net/~netters2/ http://www.fox302.com/index.pl?s=vg&user=netters2 http://www.reeky.org/gallery/xlax >Stunters freeze up like a small animal at the sight of a tight technical >corner... Hon-duh riders shrivel up like small children at the sight of anything produced by Yamaha or Suzuki... Other than an impetus to disc replacement surgery, for what other purpose would Troy want an RC30 for? Methinks Troy needs to go on a long legged tour to appreciate his new toy. Otherwise it's like owning a riding mower but having the Mexicans do the yard. You'll always find something to nitpick if you're using the wrong tool for the job. Maybe the end result is that Troy is tired of street riding and wants to roll over his play money into a bunch of track events. > So here is the good stuff first. > > New bike nekkid... what happened to your SV-650 you had before IIRC? >> So here is the good stuff first. >> >> New bike nekkid... > > what happened to your SV-650 you had before IIRC? I still have the sv650. I just haven't repaired it from last falls track crash is all. >Maybe I'm just getting old. 20 years ago, new bike in the garage, I would >still be out in 35F weather tooling around appreciating it. Tonight? 20 [quoted text clipped - 61 lines] >other....after a few weekends I'll know by the percentage of times I reach >for the keys for whichever I suppose. Troy, 1st of all, thanks for sharing your nice pictures. Next, why a tall, top heavy, twin-paint shaking Vsrtrom? I'm thinking you should have test rode that new Sprint you were looking at down at the BMW/Triumph dealer. Yeah, it would have been ~$5000 more OTD but if you never intend on riding on fire trails if would have been a better ride in of so many ways. You're short like me and that bike; 1000 V-strom, is going to make you work for every stop in traffic you make. And like you said, they shake and balk when you try to lug them in tall gears. That new 1050 Sprint would have pulled your teeth out in sixth gear down to 2000RPM or lower. BTW, I know a couple guys with SV-1000's and I can pull them on my 5 year old Sprint with just a pipe and aggressive FI map (104 HP DYNO'd). Also, did you try riding a used Priller Futura? They're taller that my Sprint or VFR but are nice-n-narrow. Also a Duc ST3 would be another contended. But the Multi-Strada isn't faired enough for long distance ST work. Congrats and hope you get used to that TL motor and the tall frame. PS. You could have gotten a nice Give bag setup for the SV-650 as well.You already have a nice big fly screen for than one and the suspension fixed the way you like it. Sure, it's only got 70+ HP but so what? Bob Nixon 01 Sprint ST "RED" 52K Chandler,AZ http://bigrex.net/pictures > Troy, 1st of all, thanks for sharing your nice pictures. Next, why a > tall, top heavy, twin-paint shaking Vsrtrom? I'm thinking you should [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > pull them on my 5 year old Sprint with just a pipe and aggressive FI map > (104 HP DYNO'd). You don't expect to get away with a comment like that I hope? :) One of the guys I work with has a 1050 Sprint and last weekend we rode Black Spur and kept changing our minds at coffee breaks about which of our bikes was faster. In the end, we just couldn't call it, even after swapping bikes. I tell you straight out it's no quicker than the SV thou. It just didn't pull ahead when it had the chance. It has a smoother feel, is nice to ride, is a better touring bike, looks nice, great accessories available....but with all due respect, you don't seem to have ever ridden an sv thou? I would be interested in you first hand impression. It's a 90 deg V, nicely balanced, no paint shaker (save that description for older style Buell type engines :) Also, did you try riding a used Priller Futura? They're > taller that my Sprint or VFR but are nice-n-narrow. Also a Duc ST3 would > be another contended. But the Multi-Strada isn't faired enough for long [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > Chandler,AZ > http://bigrex.net/pictures >> Troy, 1st of all, thanks for sharing your nice pictures. Next, why a >> tall, top heavy, twin-paint shaking Vsrtrom? I'm thinking you should [quoted text clipped - 18 lines] >with all due respect, you don't seem to have ever ridden an sv thou? I would >be interested in you first hand impression. Yannick, I use to own one (see photo below) and have ridden two RC-51's,, two superchicken's, a 748 and a TL-S. No SV-1000 but pretty damnded close. As to my reference of beating an SV-1000, I'm not lying. I pulled the guy on an uphill freeway onramp which we later discussed and he said he was ON-IT as much as it would go. My Sprint is not completely stock, with the most aggressive aftermarket pipe FI map, two bros pipe and K&N air filter. http://bigrex.net/pictures/Old%20bikes/SV002.jpg Hers's my former 2000 SV. >t's a 90 deg V, nicely >balanced, no paint shaker (save that description for older style Buell type >engines :) IMO, on or offf throttle, all twins are paint shakers, even the baby SV-650 to a small degree, Only at steady state throttle are the 90 degree twins smooth. [...] Bob Nixon 01 Sprint ST "RED" 52K Chandler,AZ http://bigrex.net/pictures >>> Troy, 1st of all, thanks for sharing your nice pictures. Next, why a >>> tall, top heavy, twin-paint shaking Vsrtrom? I'm thinking you should [quoted text clipped - 26 lines] > RC-51's,, two superchicken's, a 748 and a TL-S. No SV-1000 but pretty > damnded close. Yeah, I knew that you owned a pre FI sv650, (but not an SV thou) and have RIDDEN some bigger Vee twins, but you not owned and lived with them on a day to day basis. It still doesn't qualify you to trash an unridden bike as a paint shaker - why wouldn't you listen to those that have ridden that exact bike? I'm sure it's not as smooth as a Sprint, but paint shaker it aint. >As to my reference of beating an SV-1000, I'm not lying. If I thought you were lying, I wouldn't even bother to post a reply. There are many reasons though why this result may have occurred. The other guy may be heavier than you with a full tank of fuel, his bike may have some problem, it could be gear selection/riding style issue, etc etc. The sv thou and sprint are among my favorite bikes and I have often looked up comparisons in mags and the performance issue is just not that clear cut. Like I said, my riding friend with the Sprint 1050 was feeling very philosophical the day after our little trek and I wasn't lying about that either :) > I pulled the guy on an uphill freeway onramp which we later discussed > and he said he was ON-IT as much as it would go. My Sprint is not [quoted text clipped - 19 lines] > Chandler,AZ > http://bigrex.net/pictures >> Yannick, I use to own one (see photo below) and have ridden two >> RC-51's,, two superchicken's, a 748 and a TL-S. No SV-1000 but pretty [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > that exact bike? I'm sure it's not as smooth as a Sprint, but paint shaker > it aint. Well, having ridden Bobs Sprint, and having a detuned TL1000 engine in the VStrom, let me comment. Bobs sprint felt surprisingly like my old Kawasaki ZX10, all turbine smooth seamless rush type power. The VStrom doesn't feel like that at all. There is a vibration that can be heard and felt, at no times obtrusive, that gives it a completely different feel than an inline 4. It is by no measure a paint shaker however. I'm betting it can't beat Bobs bike in a race either. But I'm down some 20-25HP over the more powerful TL1000S and TL1000R, not a clue what level they tuned the SV1000 to though. >>> Yannick, I use to own one (see photo below) and have ridden two >>> RC-51's,, two superchicken's, a 748 and a TL-S. No SV-1000 but pretty [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] > powerful TL1000S and TL1000R, not a clue what level they tuned the SV1000 > to though. I would say that you are 100% correct with that. Yes, of course there is a vibration, that's one of the reason's people WANT these things because they like that, but this baby will do a lousy job of paint shaking. sv1000 is tuned to somewhere in the middle of TL and your bike, but like the sv650, it is a nice, lightly framed bike, so this gives it some added edge which you know about very well. I guess everyone has a comment about the sv thou... what would I know? I'm just someone who just turned over 20,000 miles on one I guess. > I'm just someone who just turned over 20,000 miles on one I guess. You ride that thing alot do you? >> I'm just someone who just turned over 20,000 miles on one I guess. > > You ride that thing alot do you? You would too if you lived here...Here it's an all year round riding climate, Australia is great like that, I take my kid to school on the bike, I shop on the bike, rides down to holiday place on beach, Phillip Island... I don't even own a car these days and I'm not missing it. (well, OK, I sometimes use wife's WRX) >>> I'm just someone who just turned over 20,000 miles on one I guess. >> [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > Island... I don't even own a car these days and I'm not missing it. > (well, OK, I sometimes use wife's WRX) I had mine out for 100 miles today, rides for all the kids, changed the oil, checked everything there was to check. It rides alot better with air in the tires and a stiffer suspension, a couple of turns of preload made alot of difference in the way it works. Damn the thing needs better/higher quality wind protection though, the buffeting is right on the helmet. It needs either a smaller windshield or a bunch bigger one. I think I'm going to go find a bigger one first. I'm thinking about a cross country trip in June...haven't done that before. Year ride riding is nice, I used to have that in Louisiana, but they don't have any roads worth a damn, plus when its hot, its nearly too hot for bikes. >>>> I'm just someone who just turned over 20,000 miles on one I guess. >>> [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > needs either a smaller windshield or a bunch bigger one. I think I'm going > to go find a bigger one first. Wind buffetting is a bit of obsession with me. Yeah, bigger is the way to go. This crap you read about smaller screens leaving your head in "clean non-turbulent air" is prcisely that. > I'm thinking about a cross country trip in June...haven't done that > before. > > Year ride riding is nice, I used to have that in Louisiana, but they don't > have any roads worth a damn, plus when its hot, its nearly too hot for > bikes. > Damn the thing needs better/higher quality > wind protection though, the buffeting is right on the helmet. It needs > either a smaller windshield or a bunch bigger one. I think I'm going to go > find a bigger one first. Bad move IMO. The aerodynamics of most bikes I've ridden with windscreens (save the Goldwing) are horrible. They don't vent air under the screen to equalize pressures so you always end up with turbulent air around the top of the windscreen. The closer the top of the windscreen is to your head, the worse the buffeting. The FJR I rode last year was absolutely horrible in that respect. One of the design changes for the '06 model is to vent. Both my bike have low screens so any turbulence created hits me in the chest where I don't notice it. The airflow across the helmet is all the linear goodness of mother nature. > Both my bike have low screens so any turbulence created hits me in the > chest where I don't notice it. The airflow across the helmet is all the > linear goodness of mother nature. Yeah. when I stand up on the pegs I notice the instant smoothness around the helmet as well, noticed the same effect when I was playing around with windshields on the sv650. Some people on the Strom boards have even chopped the top 2 or 3 inches off their stock, short, windshield, to achieve exactly the effect you are describing. Might not be a bad idea after all. > Yannick, I use to own one (see photo below) and have ridden two > RC-51's,, two superchicken's, a 748 and a TL-S. No SV-1000 but pretty > damnded close. As to my reference of beating an SV-1000, I'm not lying. > I pulled the guy on an uphill freeway onramp which we later discussed > and he said he was ON-IT as much as it would go. Yeah, but he was in sixth gear and you were in third... I've rode a Sprint across western Canada a couple years back so I too am in a position to judge. And the Sprint would (and has in many magazine comparisons) get beaten like Tom Tom in Mike Fell's house in a contest of acceleration against the likes of my old 916 Duc ST let alone a full liter twin. > IMO, on or offf throttle, all twins are paint shakers, even the baby > SV-650 to a small degree, Only at steady state throttle are the 90 > degree twins smooth. Only because you've apparently never ridden a *real* paint shaker. Go get yourself a ride on a 2001 Sportster or equivalent then report back. What little visceral feedback a mighty L-twin gives you is just enough to let you know she's on and happy. Does the massive vibration of a cat purring atop your lap offend you so too? > What little visceral feedback a mighty L-twin gives you is just enough > to let you know she's on and happy. Does the massive vibration of a cat > purring atop your lap offend you so too? My Kee Hee purring on my lap is good vibrations but an 360 degree crank V4 divides the vibrations and multiplies the power of the mighty L-Twin... so Bags if like Twins... you'll like V4s more... Larry L 94 RC45 #2 Have a wheelie NICE day... Lean & Mean it in every corner of your life... If it wasn't for us the fast lane would rust... V4'S are music to the seat of my pants... 1952 De Havilland Chipmunk... Yank and bank your brains loose... http://members.ebay.com/aboutme/-xlax-/ http://home.comcast.net/~netters2/ http://www.fox302.com/index.pl?s=vg&user=netters2 http://www.reeky.org/gallery/xlax > > What little visceral feedback a mighty L-twin gives you is just enough > > to let you know she's on and happy. Does the massive vibration of a cat [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > divides the vibrations and multiplies the power of the mighty L-Twin... so Bags > if like Twins... you'll like V4s more... I've ridden a VFR and I liked it. I've ridden a triple and I liked it too. But in my estimation, at this time, no one builds an all porpoise SPORTtouring MC better than Ducati, end of story. >> > What little visceral feedback a mighty L-twin gives you is just enough >> > to let you know she's on and happy. Does the massive vibration of a cat [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > too. But in my estimation, at this time, no one builds an all porpoise > SPORTtouring MC better than Ducati, end of story. Yeah, Ducati has a huge following. I probably would have bought one if I wasn't so stingy. > Troy, 1st of all, thanks for sharing your nice pictures. Next, why a > tall, top heavy, twin-paint shaking Vsrtrom? Because its what the buddy had, and I'd ridden one back in 2002 and liked it as a general, do everything except trackwork kinda bike. It is tall, isn't much heavier than your Sprint probably, is actually lighter than a Honda Interceptor I think, and its quite a bit smoother than you might think, once it gets moving above 2500 rpms. > I'm thinking you should > have test rode that new Sprint you were looking at down at the > BMW/Triumph dealer. Yeah, it would have been ~$5000 more OTD but if you > never intend on riding on fire trails if would have been a better ride > in of so many ways. But it is Colorado, and there are so many dirt roads which I might explore, just a little, so I figure the "dirtiness" of the VStrom might come in handy. >You're short like me and that bike; 1000 V-strom, is > going to make you work for every stop in traffic you make. No problem with seat height, except when getting on I have to hike one leg pretty well to clean the seat or luggage, which is a pain. A KLR650 is tall, this thing isn't quite that bad. >And like you > said, they shake and balk when you try to lug them in tall gears. That [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > distance ST work. Congrats and hope you get used to that TL motor and > the tall frame. We shall see. One of the reasons I haven't considered some of the bikes you mentioned is that I really didn't want to buy new, or exotic, and I knew I had enough experience on a VStrom to know I would like it for something...I'm just surprised I didn't find the "something" on the first ride I took on it once it was in my possession. > PS. You could have gotten a nice Give bag setup for the SV-650 as > well.You already have a nice big fly screen for than one and the > suspension fixed the way you like it. Sure, it's only got 70+ HP but so > what? Unfortunately for the baby sv, the ride I went on with you and the boys is a perfect example of where it falls flat on its face. Wide open at 80mph at 9000' of elevation and the mighty mite does nothing. Doesn't accelerate, barely can maintain the speed, just won't go no 'mo. I figure the extra 25HP or so on this bike might come in handy on either highspeed highway rides ( might have one coming up in June ) or those high altitude rides which are pretty common around here. > > Troy, 1st of all, thanks for sharing your nice pictures. Next, why a > > tall, top heavy, twin-paint shaking Vsrtrom? [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > Interceptor I think, and its quite a bit smoother than you might think, once > it gets moving above 2500 rpms. Which begs the question, why would anyone ever ride below that engine speed? >> > Troy, 1st of all, thanks for sharing your nice pictures. Next, why a >> > tall, top heavy, twin-paint shaking Vsrtrom? [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > Which begs the question, why would anyone ever ride below that engine > speed? After putting another 30 miles on it today, commuting the long way to and from work, it turns out that you don't lug it there at all unless you do it on purpose. Today I just rode it, and didn't have any jack hammer vibrations from the motor at all. Also turns out to be throttle sensitive, crack it just a little, no problem, grab a big handful down low and SHAKE-SHAKE-SHAKE you can almost feel the revolutions. >>> > Troy, 1st of all, thanks for sharing your nice pictures. Next, why a >>> > tall, top heavy, twin-paint shaking Vsrtrom? [quoted text clipped - 17 lines] >just a little, no problem, grab a big handful down low and SHAKE-SHAKE-SHAKE >you can almost feel the revolutions. In all seriousness Troy the DL looks great. That's a very street worthy motorcycle. Quite a bit more practical than the Gixxer. You done good. Love the Yellow too. With that bike you can ride out the Cheeseland. I don't want to see you stunting on it anytime soon.:-) Regards Mike > I don't want to see you stunting on it anytime soon.:-) > Regards > > Mike Back in 2004 when Mark and I got back from Deadhorse Alaska I was at his place and we were putting stuff away and messing around, and I was riding this thing up and down the parking lot behind his apartment seeing how far I could pop the front end off the ground. It wasn't stunting, but it sure was an easy bike to pop the front wheel off the ground. It doesn't have quite the same uummppphhhhh here at altitude. > http://home.comcast.net/~f4boy/racked.JPG Who's the female? SignaturePhil, Squid-in-Training >> http://home.comcast.net/~f4boy/racked.JPG > > Who's the female? I didn't notice a female in the picture you reference. >>> http://home.comcast.net/~f4boy/racked.JPG >> >> Who's the female? > > I didn't notice a female in the picture you reference. Oops, the other one: http://home.comcast.net/~f4boy/racked1.JPG SignaturePhil, Squid-in-Training > >>> http://home.comcast.net/~f4boy/racked.JPG > >> [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > Oops, the other one: > http://home.comcast.net/~f4boy/racked1.JPG Why that's the grim reaper coming to collect the Troll's soul. After discovering he didn't have one, she returned purgatory empty handed. >>>> http://home.comcast.net/~f4boy/racked.JPG >>> [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > Oops, the other one: > http://home.comcast.net/~f4boy/racked1.JPG Thats the wife. |
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