> I stopped, freaked out, and looked back up the road to see a large oil patch
> with half a dozen 'wheelie' marks coming down the hill from it. F#%*ing 'boy
> racers' had been up there the night before doing burnouts in their
> underpowered pieces of sh.t that need oil to get the wheels spinning, when
> only 100 metres away there were 10 km of roadworks with gravel to play in!
> Unimpressed to say the least!
Well done on saving that one. Sounds like it could have been awful. If you
ever encounter the burnout boys, make sure you hide the bodies well. Know
anyone with a pig farm? ;)
> ...and onto safety gear (which I wasn't wearing).
Even better that you saved it then. Maybe you'll think about wearing the
safety gear more frequently?
> I ran into a guy who had binned his ZX12 by locking the front wheel trying to
> slow down in traffic and losing the front end (at 100+ kmh). He showed me the
> scars on his leg/knee where the grafts were done and I was surprised at the
> damage done, considering he was wearing leathers. It turned out that the
> leathers he had weren't 'double stitched' and just ripped apart at the seams
> on impact!
Construction is very important. For leather, the seams are the the weak
points, so the fewer seams (i.e. fewer separate pieces of leather), the
better. Of course you have to have some seams. I like mine to be double,
triple, or even quadruple stitched, preferably with Kevlar reinforced thread
or with the stitches hidden under the leather.
I've slid on my Vansons a twice now at track days, once around 80 mph and
again around 50 mph, both times with minimal damage. A couple of scuffs plus
about 2 inches of abraded stitching on the seat of the pants, where they're
2x or 3x stitched. Vanson fixed the stitching for pocket change.

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Brian - 27 Mar 2006 01:04 GMT
>> I stopped, freaked out, and looked back up the road to see a large oil patch
>> with half a dozen 'wheelie' marks coming down the hill from it. F#%*ing 'boy
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> ever encounter the burnout boys, make sure you hide the bodies well. Know
> anyone with a pig farm? ;)
I'm going 'hunting' next Friday/Saturday nights! It wasn't so bad when
the boy racers would hang out in the industrial areas and do their
thing. But recently there has been a 'crackdown' by police. They think
they have 'solved' the problem, but all they have done is move them out
onto the backroads, which is much more dangerous in my opinion. Now,
instead of having oil on the roads in one place, it could be anywhere.
>> ...and onto safety gear (which I wasn't wearing).
>>
> Even better that you saved it then. Maybe you'll think about wearing the
> safety gear more frequently?
As soon as I got home I dug out my old 'Kiddie fu#*er' bib pants and
made a list of repairs/alterations that need doing....double/triple
stitched!
After years of being ten foot tall and bulletproof, it's taken some
pimply faced youths with oil to burst my bubble of invincibility. Bastards!
I'll be in my car next weekend, but the 'carbon fibre' knuckle bike
gloves will be with me.............
>> I ran into a guy who had binned his ZX12 by locking the front wheel trying to
>> slow down in traffic and losing the front end (at 100+ kmh). He showed me the
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> about 2 inches of abraded stitching on the seat of the pants, where they're
> 2x or 3x stitched. Vanson fixed the stitching for pocket change.
A lesson learned at someone else's expense. I'd never seen skin grafts
over a kneecap before.
bsr3997@my-deja.com - 27 Mar 2006 03:13 GMT
> >> I stopped, freaked out, and looked back up the road to see a large oil patch
> >> with half a dozen 'wheelie' marks coming down the hill from it. F#%*ing 'boy
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> made a list of repairs/alterations that need doing....double/triple
> stitched!
Check how thick the leather is first. It wont help to keep the seams
together if the middle rips out or burns through. Soft and supple just
don't make it when you go pavement surfing.
Bruce
> After years of being ten foot tall and bulletproof, it's taken some
> pimply faced youths with oil to burst my bubble of invincibility. Bastards!
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> A lesson learned at someone else's expense. I'd never seen skin grafts
> over a kneecap before.
> ...and onto safety gear (which I wasn't wearing). I ran into a guy who
> had binned his ZX12 by locking the front wheel trying to slow down in
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> he had weren't 'double stitched' and just ripped apart at the seams on
> impact!
Some leathers are better than others. I slid on a seam from 50mph down to
0mph and didn't even break the stitching, and some people don't like Teknic
suits at all. I don't have the cheapest one of course, but still, its
trackworthy right now without having been repaired.