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Motorcycle Forum / General / Sportbikes / July 2006couple new pics of the bike...
finished some misc. 'cleanup' work of the bike. de-badged, fender elim, and passenger peg removal: http://www.nasland.nu/gix6/gix6_3.jpg http://www.nasland.nu/gix6/gix6_4.jpg only thing left i was planning on doing is the exhaust. thinking about the m4 black as it looks really great. ;) >finished some misc. 'cleanup' work of the bike. de-badged, fender elim, >and passenger peg removal: [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] >only thing left i was planning on doing is the exhaust. thinking about >the m4 black as it looks really great. ;) Nice but it looks just like my buddy's 1000. No difference that's obvious. Bob Nixon, Chandler AZ 01 Sprint ST "RED" 54K miles http://bigrex.net/pictures > finished some misc. 'cleanup' work of the bike. de-badged, fender elim, > and passenger peg removal: De-badged? I see Suzuki, GSX-R, and "S" on the tank. Were there other things you took off? http://www.nasland.nu/gix6/gix6_4.jpg Looks good! Maybe consider getting rid of those front fork side reflectors.  SignatureJamin "I don't want a pickle..." -- Posted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com > De-badged? I see Suzuki, GSX-R, and "S" on the tank. Were there other things > you took off? there were a couple suzuki stickers front/rear as well as the 600 on either side on the tail. been considering taking off those graphics and the gsx-r logo too, but i dunno. seen pics of others who have taken them off and it looks good, but at the same time it looks like something is missing. > Looks good! Maybe consider getting rid of those front fork side reflectors. thanks. im thinking about it. they seem to be apart of the bolt which holds the fairing though. law here says you need side reflectors though, so i may keep them. -chris h. > thanks. im thinking about it. they seem to be apart of the bolt which > holds the fairing though. Dremel tool. ;) > law here says you need side reflectors though, > so i may keep them. It says the same thing in my state as well. SignatureJamin "I don't want a pickle..." > > thanks. im thinking about it. they seem to be apart of the bolt which > > holds the fairing though. [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > > It says the same thing in my state as well. It also says no bent license plates, but we know a cops would never pull someone over for something like that... Speaking of which, I got pulled over yesterday. Took Mama up to the lake on the backroads. I was pretty confident I got her pulled down before he could have tagged me. Knowing that, I played Mr. Niceguy with the yes sir, no sir BS (if I know I'm had I never give them the satisfaction). He actually was a pretty nice guy and told me to please keep it down and that there was going to be a lot of traffic at the lake this weekend. A bit of a country bumpkin though, apparently to him anytime three cars were lined up at a stop sign a major traffic crisis was underway. Man there were cops around everywhere around the lake itself. And yet all the bars were still packed full of Harleys and pickups... > It also says no bent license plates, but we know a cops would never > pull someone over for something like that... Some cops are jerks. Oh well. > Speaking of which, I got pulled over yesterday. Took Mama up to the > lake on the backroads. I was pretty confident I got her pulled down [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > itself. And yet all the bars were still packed full of Harleys and > pickups... I've been seeing lots of state troopers on the road lately myself. Got pulled over about a week ago, coming home late from a friend's house, down the main highway around midnight. I was going too fast, I know: 20-30 mph over the 60 mph limit. But traffic moves at 70-75 mph, and I was just anxious to get home. He must have been speeding through traffic, running no radar gun, just looking for something to cite. He pulled me over, we had a cordial chat, he jotted down my license number and just told me to slow down the rest of the way home. I think maybe he was cruising for drunk drivers or something. He certainly didn't want to write me a ticket just then, given the circumstances. SignatureJamin "I don't want a pickle..." > > finished some misc. 'cleanup' work of the bike. de-badged, fender elim, > > and passenger peg removal: [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > > Looks good! Maybe consider getting rid of those front fork side reflectors. Jesus! My bike obsessed buddy Jamin has lost his friggin mind. If you plan to ride after dark don't you dare f.ck with the reflectors. No offfense, but your bike has a dime a dozen "stunt em and replace em" appeal. With the underseat exhaust the new Zuk has some of the most stunning lines in bikedom. Paint it a hot solid color with the two tone blacked out chassis and a decent seat/grip aftermarket solution and your sh.t will be timeless. Follow the crowd and it will be yet another case of 80's big hair band excersise in silly cliqueisms... >> > finished some misc. 'cleanup' work of the bike. de-badged, fender elim, >> > and passenger peg removal: [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] >Jesus! My bike obsessed buddy Jamin has lost his friggin mind. If you >plan to ride after dark don't you dare fk with the reflectors. You are right Saddle. Regards Mike PETITION TO THE UNITED STATES CONGRESS & President Bush to Stop Amnesty for Illegal Aliens.HIT THE LINK BELOW and fill out the form. Takes one minute or so. http://www.citizenslobby.com/petitions.htm#gephardt >>> finished some misc. 'cleanup' work of the bike. de-badged, fender elim, >>> and passenger peg removal: [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > your sh.t will be timeless. Follow the crowd and it will be yet another > case of 80's big hair band excersise in silly cliqueisms... Mr. Bags just reminded me there was a band called "Loverboy." SignatureAndrew 00 Daytona 00 Speed Triple 71 Kawi H1 05 Infant > >>> finished some misc. 'cleanup' work of the bike. de-badged, fender elim, > >>> and passenger peg removal: [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] > > > Mr. Bags just reminded me there was a band called "Loverboy." Canadian fellers. Remember "Take Me to the Top" with the phase shifter guitar licks? I can remember trying to get into my buddy's sister's drawers to that one once. Kooky guitars effects make me so horny, but she not love me long time... >>>>> finished some misc. 'cleanup' work of the bike. de-badged, fender elim, >>>>> and passenger peg removal: [quoted text clipped - 19 lines] > drawers to that one once. Kooky guitars effects make me so horny, but > she not love me long time... everybody's working for the weekend SignatureAndrew 00 Daytona 00 Speed Triple 71 Kawi H1 05 Infant >>>>>> finished some misc. 'cleanup' work of the bike. de-badged, fender >>>>>> elim, [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > > everybody's working for the weekend Only the *Lucky Ones* but they'll be *Lovin' Every Minute Of It* *When It's Over* because then, it will be time for *Hot Girls In Love*. Whew, *The Kid Is Hot Tonight*. SignatureNorse of Course '00 SV650 DoD# 2338 > >>>>>> finished some misc. 'cleanup' work of the bike. de-badged, fender > >>>>>> elim, [quoted text clipped - 17 lines] > Over* because then, it will be time for *Hot Girls In Love*. Whew, *The Kid > Is Hot Tonight*. I think we know the 1981 Fan Club president. >>>> finished some misc. 'cleanup' work of the bike. de-badged, fender elim, >>>> and passenger peg removal: [quoted text clipped - 17 lines] >> > Mr. Bags just reminded me there was a band called "Loverboy." HHmmm, and I happened to see them live at the Rich stadium, Buffalo NY in -82... Along with Foreigner and Ted Nugent.. J. >> Mr. Bags just reminded me there was a band called "Loverboy." >> > HHmmm, and I happened to see them live at the Rich stadium, Buffalo NY > in -82... Along with Foreigner and Ted Nugent.. > > J. Bet that was a bitchin' concert!!! > >> Mr. Bags just reminded me there was a band called "Loverboy." > >> [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > Bet that was a bitchin' concert!!! I saw the Nug back in the late 70s. Def Leopard opened up for him. Both were the opening acts for the immortal Foghat... I wouldn't have been caught dead at some sissy boy hair band show back in the day. In retrospect, this was a dumb philosophy. Far less good drugs...sure, but far less hot babes too! >>>> Mr. Bags just reminded me there was a band called "Loverboy." >>>> [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > in the day. In retrospect, this was a dumb philosophy. Far less good > drugs...sure, but far less hot babes too! I think Iron Maiden played at the same concert mentioned, so long ago now.. I seem to remember their big "Monster" on stage.. I used to have that ticket stump on my wall back in the days I lived at home, long gone now.. J. > Jesus! My bike obsessed buddy Jamin has lost his friggin mind. If you > plan to ride after dark don't you dare f.ck with the reflectors. No [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > your sh.t will be timeless. Follow the crowd and it will be yet another > case of 80's big hair band excersise in silly cliqueisms... i have absolutely no idea what you're talking about. :) all im trying to do is cleanup the look of the bike, to help it flow even better than it does from the factory. if someone seems to think it then looks like some silly stunna/stunta (whatever the idiots call themselves these days) then whatever. i ride the piss out of this bike, not "stunt". if someone wants to draw a conclusion based on the look of the bike, then its their ignorance, not mine. the bike is also hardly a month old, i have no idea what you're takling about in regards to painting it. the paint is fine. i dont "follow the crowd" either. as stated, i go with what *i* think looks good. if it turns out to look like another...well, so be it. this is a common bike with a limited aftermarket due to the newness of the model so chances are very good that someone else has the same things done to it. its not a one off custom, nor should it be. its a bike bought to be ridden...its a bike that *is* ridden. most of my riding is done in the early morning to early evenings. its very very rare that i go out after dark. the reflectors, while a nice little safety item for night riding, mean little to me during this time frame. the only times its dark enough to worry about during this time frame, is the time when its to cold to ride anyway (winter). -chris h. >> Jesus! My bike obsessed buddy Jamin has lost his friggin mind. If you >> plan to ride after dark don't you dare f.ck with the reflectors. No [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] >then looks like some silly stunna/stunta (whatever the idiots call >themselves these days) then whatever. i ride the piss out of this bike, Chris, one look at your tires tells me your POINT OF REFERENCE for "riding the sh.t out of something" is REALLY relative. Particularly when this 60 year old, one legged fart regularly gets greater lean angles on a bike 5 year old Sport tourer with hard bags/top box on it. http://bigrex.net/pictures/Boots/Team1.jpg http://bigrex.net/pictures/Boots/Team3.jpg http://bigrex.net/pictures/Boots/Team5.jpg http://bigrex.net/pictures/Boots/Me_too.jpg http://bigrex.net/pictures/Boots/Me_tooR.jpg http://bigrex.net/pictures/Boots/ST_Bags+topBox=stab;e%20150.jpg http://bigrex.net/pictures/Boots/M1F_4500.jpg http://bigrex.net/pictures/Boots/010R-5000.jpg http://bigrex.net/pictures/Boots/010R-5000.jpg http://bigrex.net/pictures/Boots/Fairing.jpg http://bigrex.net/pictures/Boots/PegL.jpg http://bigrex.net/pictures/Boots/PegR.jpg http://bigrex.net/pictures/Boots/Bob_ugly-legs.jpg http://bigrex.net/pictures/Boots/Stump.jpg [...] Bob Nixon, Chandler AZ 01 Sprint ST "RED" 54K miles http://bigrex.net/pictures > Chris, one look at your tires tells me your POINT OF REFERENCE for > "riding the sh.t out of something" is REALLY relative. Particularly [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > 01 Sprint ST "RED" 54K miles > http://bigrex.net/pictures thats great, but they look like track pics. as i dont currently have access to the track, i have to try and maintain some ounce of control on the street. even so, im rolling over the rubber along the edges, so i am using *all* of the tire. but thats beside the point anyway. i ride my ride within my limits, if that meant 12 inch chicken strips or no chicken strips whats it matter to anyone? all i was trying to say is that i ride my ride, not go off and do some stupid stunts or the like as was suggested its what the bike "looks" like. because it has some "mods" done to it that may make it look somewhat like a stunt bike, doesnt mean it is. its a sport bike...like thousands of others...it looks like both a race bike and a stunt bike...at the same time. it doesnt matter what you say or do, you cant get around that fact. people will think what they will based on *their* perception of what they have experienced in life with 'bikers', not with you personally. ignoring what is posted above, i dont see how one could get the impression either way because i have removed the passenger pegs, some stickers (i thought stunters loved their stickers, so wouldnt this invoke the opposite reaction?), and removed that huge mud flap they call a license plate bracket. to me its just cleaning up the lines a bit to appeal to myself that much more. im not trying to appeal to other people, or worry about what they think. to hell with them. its *my* bike, and *my* choice. -chris h. "Chris H." <chris@thezengarden.net> wrote in news:h677p3-9ps.ln1 @mercury.nasland.nu: > thats great, but they look like track pics. as i dont currently have > access to the track, i have to try and maintain some ounce of control on > the street. even so, im rolling over the rubber along the edges, so i am > using *all* of the tire. but thats beside the point anyway. i ride my > ride within my limits, if that meant 12 inch chicken strips or no > chicken strips whats it matter to anyone? Don't worry Chris, it only matters to Bob. FWIW, I like your bike. Looks really good cleaned up the way you did. ab > Don't worry Chris, it only matters to Bob. > > FWIW, I like your bike. Looks really good cleaned up the way you did. > > ab thanks, i appreciate it. :) they could have said "nice bike" or "that looks like crap", either would have been fine. to come off and state the bike now looks like its for this or that is just absurd. its like saying this person must do this or must be like this because he/she dresses like this and their hair is like that. whatever. as for bob, well...i love speed and lean as much as the next guy, but to even hint at a possible suggestion that i should be pushing harder on the street is just stupidity. i dont know bob, or how he rides...but for me personally...i really enjoy being able to come home each sunday on my unwrecked bike and my pants, jacket, and gloves only scarred by dead bugs. you'd think others would agree with that, or at least other fellow riders. -chris h. On Fri, 21 Jul 2006 11:14:09 -0500, Andy Burnet <tzrider@DONTEVENTHINKABOUTSPAMMINGyahoo.com> wrote: >"Chris H." <chris@thezengarden.net> wrote in news:h677p3-9ps.ln1 >@mercury.nasland.nu: [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > >ab Hey buttinski! I complaimented him on his bike earier but you know as well as I that when someone claims to "ride the sh.t out of his bike", he's asking for someone to set him straight. BTW, Andy, why don't you prove me wrong and post a stot of your ST-1100 rubbe instead of coming off with a smartass remark without reading the WHO:E thread. Got the stones or just talking sh.t? Bob Nixon, Chandler AZ 01 Sprint ST "RED" 54K miles http://bigrex.net/pictures > Got the stones or just talking sh.t? I admit I didn't read the thread and missed your compliment to his bike. What requires stones on my part? Posting pictures of my tires? What's the point? FWIW, my current tires have 3/8" of unused rubber on the front and none on the rear. The rear shows signs of having been spun. Both front fork seals are blown and the forks are probably missing a third of their oil. And all of this proves what? Perhaps: - I lean the wrong way and use too much lean angle - I'm too stupid to fix my forks - I got luck and saved a rear-end slide Or make up the story of your choice. I've just never seen the point in drawing conclusions about a rider from the condition of his tires. Or, for that matter, in putting down someone else's riding abilities. This is supposed to be fun. I'll be offline for about a week starting tomorrow morning. ab > What requires stones on my part? Posting pictures of my tires? What's the > point? FWIW, my current tires have 3/8" of unused rubber on the front and > none on the rear. For shame! http://moto-rama.com/photo/cs.02.jpg SignatureJim Stinnett VTR1000 R1100RS YZF R1 NX250 http://moto-rama.com > i ride my > ride within my limits, if that meant 12 inch chicken strips or no > chicken strips whats it matter to anyone? It matters to several people on the internet. SignatureJamin "I don't want a pickle..." > Chris, one look at your tires tells me your POINT OF REFERENCE for > "riding the sh.t out of something" is REALLY relative. Particularly > when this 60 year old, one legged fart regularly gets greater lean > angles on a bike 5 year old Sport tourer with hard bags/top box on it. How is my "lean angle here? Pretty dam far over if you ask me. http://colevalley.net/five_twenty/images/p1010033.jpg SignatureJim Stinnett VTR1000 R1100RS YZF R1 NX250 http://moto-rama.com >> Chris, one look at your tires tells me your POINT OF REFERENCE for >> "riding the sh.t out of something" is REALLY relative. Particularly [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] >How is my "lean angle here? Pretty dam far over if you ask me. >http://colevalley.net/five_twenty/images/p1010033.jpg That's a bit TOO far, Jim-:) How's the deer injuries getting along? I did a 300 miler today but it was at the wheel of a CAGE. My longest bike ride since the deer accident is 220 miles. Our group is talking about a 600 mile round trip ride taken in three days over in Eastern AZ (191 old 666, Coronado trail). Sounds doable as long as my heart doesn't balk at the 9000ft altitude & I've been on several airliners since the accident without any problems. But on an airplane you just sit there and do nothing. Hmmm, a bike isn't much more work. My two peddle bikes ( real and stationary get about 8 miles daily). That and walkin' the dog to the park is about the only regular work I get on a daily basis. I know TMI;) Bob Nixon, Chandler AZ 01 Sprint ST "RED" 54K miles http://bigrex.net/pictures > > Jesus! My bike obsessed buddy Jamin has lost his friggin mind. If you > > plan to ride after dark don't you dare f.ck with the reflectors. No [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > > i have absolutely no idea what you're talking about. :) Hell, sometimes I get so loaded I don't either. All I was trying to say is that cleaning it up at the expense of making yourself even more invisible to the public at large is not in your best interests. > All I was trying to say is that cleaning it up at the expense of making > yourself even more invisible to the public at large is not in your best > interests. Maybe you should put even more reflectors on? If one is good, seven must be great! They just look stupid to me, that's all. Plus, I can't think of a situation where a fork reflector is going to make the difference between getting hit or not. SignatureJamin "I don't want a pickle..." > Maybe you should put even more reflectors on? If one is good, seven must be > great! > > They just look stupid to me, that's all. Plus, I can't think of a situation > where a fork reflector is going to make the difference between getting hit > or not. i do agree with that as well. i mean, if they cant see my lights, they're sure as hell arent going to see a reflector or two. -chris h. > > All I was trying to say is that cleaning it up at the expense of making > > yourself even more invisible to the public at large is not in your best > > interests. > > Maybe you should put even more reflectors on? If one is good, seven must be > great! By that logic, you should be wearing seven leather suits everytime you so much as back the bike out of the garage. > They just look stupid to me, that's all. On his bike they do, only because Suzuki cuts costs where ever possible..big ugly round reflector on a straight fork. OTOH, look how nicely integrated they are on this bike: http://www.members.aol.com/saddlebag/vrod.jpg > Plus, I can't think of a situation where a fork reflector is going to make the difference > between getting hit or not. Oh, maybe a situation that occurs around this time of day: http://www.members.aol.com/saddlebag/ride.jpg At least it appears the makers of your tankbag are looking out for you. > By that logic, you should be wearing seven leather suits everytime you > so much as back the bike out of the garage. If I thought it was a necessary precaution for the level of protection I wanted, I would. But I don't. > OTOH, look how > nicely integrated they are on this bike: > > http://www.members.aol.com/saddlebag/vrod.jpg OK, but I like it even better like this: http://home.comcast.net/~jkortegard/img/vrod.jpg >> Plus, I can't think of a situation where a fork reflector is going to make >> the difference [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > http://www.members.aol.com/saddlebag/ride.jpg Reflectors work best in the dark, granted. Now can you describe a scenario where a fork reflector is going to save my a.s? Am I stalled in the middle of crossing a busy, poorly lit, high-speed road? I'm pushing the bike because it died and I'm hoping not to get t-boned? Just seems like a stupid legal requirement ("all vehicles must have front and rear side reflectors") that serves little practical purpose on a motorcycle. On a car, I can see it, because when you're creeping out from a stop sign to check cross traffic, and you can't see too well down the cross street because of parked cars, then the nose of your car sticks out a fair bit beyond where your eyes need to be. SignatureJamin "I don't want a pickle..." > OK, but I like it even better like this: > > http://home.comcast.net/~jkortegard/img/vrod.jpg LOL > >> Plus, I can't think of a situation where a fork reflector is going to make > >> the difference [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > of crossing a busy, poorly lit, high-speed road? I'm pushing the bike > because it died and I'm hoping not to get t-boned? Anytime something flashy appears in the eye of a half drunk cager, your chances of him sobering up enough to take notice improve proportionally to deficit spending under Republican administrations. You don't have to be at a 90° angle to the reflector for it to operate ya know. > Just seems like a stupid legal requirement ("all vehicles must have front > and rear side reflectors") that serves little practical purpose on a [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > because of parked cars, then the nose of your car sticks out a fair bit > beyond where your eyes need to be. Just wait til you get aboard next years new and improved raked out R1. >> All I was trying to say is that cleaning it up at the expense of making >> yourself even more invisible to the public at large is not in your best [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] >where a fork reflector is going to make the difference between getting hit >or not. While I agree it doesn't look particularly good, they could have used something a little better looking I wouldn't classify them as useless. It is impossible to see any vehicles headlight from the side. The only thing you do actually see is the light bounced into your direction by the road surface. And I think we all know black isn't that efficient of a light reflector. And since most road surfaces tend to be rather dark...then throw some bad weather into the mix... In that scenario that side reflector is going to be by magnitudes more visible... But you are right, it is friggin ugly and they could have done a much much better job. -- Stephan 2003 Yamaha R6 kimi no koto omoidasu hi nante nai no wa kimi no koto wasureta toki ga nai kara > >> All I was trying to say is that cleaning it up at the expense of making > >> yourself even more invisible to the public at large is not in your best [quoted text clipped - 21 lines] > But you are right, it is friggin ugly and they could have done a much > much better job. I went out to see what they looked like on my bikes. The Yami has rectangular jobs on the forks that don't look too gawdy. On its rear fender they are round and look more out of place though you can't see them with the bags on anyway. The Duc OTOH, has rectangular ones on the rear fender that look fine (again they are hidden by the bags which like the Yami have their own reflectors), but the front has no reflectors. I thought it might be because the integrated turn signals were reflective, but the Yami has that feature too. Then I started looking through a few mags and noticed none of the Ducs had front reflectors even without fairing integrated turn signals. Hmm... > Then I started looking through a few mags and noticed > none of the Ducs had front reflectors even without fairing integrated > turn signals. Hmm... Those Italians are all just plain crazy. That's what it is. ;) SignatureJamin "I don't want a pickle..." > It is impossible to see any vehicles headlight from the side. The only > thing you do actually see is the light bounced into your direction by [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > In that scenario that side reflector is going to be by magnitudes more > visible... You still haven't described a scenario. Why am I sideways in the middle of the traffic flow instead of lined up with it? SignatureJamin "I don't want a pickle..." >> It is impossible to see any vehicles headlight from the side. The only >> thing you do actually see is the light bounced into your direction by [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] >You still haven't described a scenario. Why am I sideways in the middle of >the traffic flow instead of lined up with it? Well dunno about you but I cross intersections on a daily basis =) >> It is impossible to see any vehicles headlight from the side. The only >> thing you do actually see is the light bounced into your direction by [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] >You still haven't described a scenario. Why am I sideways in the middle of >the traffic flow instead of lined up with it? Or side streets for that matter...which generally don't have traffic lights... Or, at least here in germany, there are some types of intersections where I can very much see the benefit of such reflectors. Basically it's a T intersection where the road that has the right of way turns into the leg of the T instead of going straight and if you have the right of way you cannot stop first to see if the way is clear. If you are coming from the leg of the T towards the straight part though and are making say a right turn following your right of way, the intersecting traffic coming from the left may have a problem seeing you due to your headlight being pointed right shining very little towards the left. >>> It is impossible to see any vehicles headlight from the side. The only >>> thing you do actually see is the light bounced into your direction by [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] > into the leg of the T instead of going straight and if you have the > right of way you cannot stop first to see if the way is clear. You can still look and slow down, right? And then certainly you should be able to stop if you see what appears to be a person not yielding the right of way. > If you > are coming from the leg of the T towards the straight part though and > are making say a right turn following your right of way, the > intersecting traffic coming from the left may have a problem seeing > you due to your headlight being pointed right shining very little > towards the left. I could see the use of some reflectors there. I guess my point is that side reflectors have very limited utility. I'll admit it's not completely zero, but for me it's still very small. SignatureJamin "I don't want a pickle..." >>>> It is impossible to see any vehicles headlight from the side. The only >>>> thing you do actually see is the light bounced into your direction by [quoted text clipped - 20 lines] >able to stop if you see what appears to be a person not yielding the right >of way. Not...really. It is treated the exact same way as a main road with a T intersection that is straight. The fact that it makes a phyiscal left or right turn is irrelevant from that standpoint. Since you wouldn't slow down for every side road intersection along a main road when it goes straight, you don't here in this case either. If you do then you risk a rear-end collision because people don't expect you to. Now if you slowed down because you had to due to your right of way being violated then ok, you had no other choice. If you hit the brakes though just to see if it's clear and the guy behind you hits you because of it...it's your fault. You essentially have to trust the traffic from the intersecting piece to yield your right of way. Yes I know, it sucks...I don't like it either...and it used to really freak me out at first. >> If you >> are coming from the leg of the T towards the straight part though and [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] >reflectors have very limited utility. I'll admit it's not completely zero, >but for me it's still very small. At least for me, roads like that are very common. But true, in the US that situation is very different. > Not...really. It is treated the exact same way as a main road with a T > intersection that is straight. The fact that it makes a phyiscal left [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > you slowed down because you had to due to your right of way being > violated then ok, you had no other choice. Good. For a moment I was worried the Germans expected you to follow the letter of the law regardless of consequences. > If you hit the brakes > though just to see if it's clear and the guy behind you hits you [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > to yield your right of way. Yes I know, it sucks...I don't like it > either...and it used to really freak me out at first. Yeah... I wouldn't like that so much. Following a rule system like that on faith could end up with a motorcyclist who has the law on his side but is still dead in the ditch. The only way that system has a chance of working is when all the drivers are supremely attentive and more highly skilled than what I'm used to, e.g. German drivers. > At least for me, roads like that are very common. But true, in the US > that situation is very different. Yup. SignatureJamin "I don't want a pickle..." -- Posted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com >> Not...really. It is treated the exact same way as a main road with a T >> intersection that is straight. The fact that it makes a phyiscal left [quoted text clipped - 21 lines] >when all the drivers are supremely attentive and more highly skilled than >what I'm used to, e.g. German drivers. Generally speaking this stands true. However as we all know, exceptions do occur and you can generally read about them in the regional newspaper every couple of weeks. Almost every motorcycle related accident that I have read or been told about is as you describe above, a dead rider with the law on his side due to a right of way violation. If there is one thing I really don't like about our traffic laws it is the right of way. Here is one thing I just absolutely consider just plain stupid though it generally only applies to residential areas not main roads. The rule essentially states "Right before left". So this means if I am driving down a straight road with intersections, and this is not a main road with a marked right of way, then if a car approaches the intersetion from my right side, I need to yield to them. This also applies if it is a side street connecting to my road. I need to stop to let them turn into my street in front of me. And the above is where a lot of motorcycle accidents occur, especially with weekend riders and such. Due to the right of way laws being as above, you are not required to come to a stop when making a right hand turn onto another street. When it comes to cars, this actually works reasonably well, accidents are rare. But we all know how invisible we are once on the motorcycle. Some riders however...forget. You can generally then read about them in the newspaper. When taking the lessons here I always got into arguments about this with my instructor because I refused to just blindly turn onto a street and trust that oncoming traffic will let me. Like I said, this primarily applies to residential areas or low-speed areas (less than 50 km/h). On main roads that have a explicitly marked right of way (we have a sign for this) then the above does not apply and traffic from either right or the left needs to yield. -- Stephan 2003 Yamaha R6 kimi no koto omoidasu hi nante nai no wa kimi no koto wasureta toki ga nai kara > And the above is where a lot of motorcycle accidents occur, especially > with weekend riders and such. Due to the right of way laws being as [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > are once on the motorcycle. Some riders however...forget. You can > generally then read about them in the newspaper. Sure. If you have a rule system that tells you to not be cautious when making right turns, and people do that when they drive, it's not at all surprising that people forget that the game is different when they're on a bike. > When taking the lessons here I always got into arguments about this > with my instructor because I refused to just blindly turn onto a > street and trust that oncoming traffic will let me. I agree with you. > Like I said, this primarily applies to residential areas or low-speed > areas (less than 50 km/h). On main roads that have a explicitly marked > right of way (we have a sign for this) then the above does not apply > and traffic from either right or the left needs to yield. I treat every unmarked intersection as if it's a blinking yellow: use caution. I'm only required by state law in those scenarios to yield to cars on my right, but you can bet your a.s I still look to the left for the one car out of twenty that fails to yield the right of way to me. Believing and following laws and rules is great. But prioritizing that above your own safety is ridiculous. SignatureJamin "I don't want a pickle..." -- Posted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com >I treat every unmarked intersection as if it's a blinking yellow: use >caution. I'm only required by state law in those scenarios to yield to cars >on my right, but you can bet your a.s I still look to the left for the one >car out of twenty that fails to yield the right of way to me. Yup, I pretty much do the same. >Believing and following laws and rules is great. But prioritizing that above >your own safety is ridiculous. Agreed, it's a difficult concept to teach to my instructor I had though. I don't think he ever undestood it... -- Stephan 2003 Yamaha R6 kimi no koto omoidasu hi nante nai no wa kimi no koto wasureta toki ga nai kara > Agreed, it's a difficult concept to teach to my instructor I had > though. I don't think he ever undestood it... He's German, and is very good at following rules. :) SignatureJamin "I don't want a pickle..." -- Posted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com >> Agreed, it's a difficult concept to teach to my instructor I had >> though. I don't think he ever undestood it... > >He's German, and is very good at following rules. :) I am good at breaking them =) -- Stephan 2003 Yamaha R6 kimi no koto omoidasu hi nante nai no wa kimi no koto wasureta toki ga nai kara > I could see the use of some reflectors there. I guess my point is that side > reflectors have very limited utility. I'll admit it's not completely zero, > but for me it's still very small. Speaking of a lone reflector I'd agree, but coupled with reflective clothing, tank bag, proper turn signals, etc. I think it makes one FAR more obvious in low visibility situations. But there is that fashion angle to consider I suppose... > Speaking of a lone reflector I'd agree, but coupled with reflective > clothing, tank bag, proper turn signals, etc. I think it makes one FAR > more obvious in low visibility situations. Diminishing returns as you keep reflectorizing everything. > But there is that fashion > angle to consider I suppose... If riding were only about safety for me, I wouldn't be riding. I'd be driving the most crash-resistant vehicle I could find. SignatureJamin "I don't want a pickle..." -- Posted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com > > Speaking of a lone reflector I'd agree, but coupled with reflective > > clothing, tank bag, proper turn signals, etc. I think it makes one FAR > > more obvious in low visibility situations. > > > Diminishing returns as you keep reflectorizing everything. In a fashion sense? Surely you can't be implying that a couple of swatches of reflectorized material sewn into your clothes and a few cheap plastic plastic reflectors is too high an investment cost for the mere return of being seen? > > But there is that fashion angle to consider I suppose... > > If riding were only about safety for me, I wouldn't be riding. I'd be > driving the most crash-resistant vehicle I could find. Too clean, Mr Bling, rides hard thru the night don't care if he's seen... And that's a rap. > In a fashion sense? Surely you can't be implying that a couple of > swatches of reflectorized material sewn into your clothes and a few > cheap plastic plastic reflectors is too high an investment cost for the > mere return of being seen? No, I mean if you have 2 reflectors, that's 100% more than just having 1. If you have 3, that's 50% more than having 2. If you have 4, that's 33% more than having 3, and so on. If you're already glowing in the dark, a little thingy on your forks doesn't really add much to the overall picture. Not that this applies to me, because I don't have much reflective gear aside from a sticker or two on my helmet and the trim on my tank bag. Just making an observation. You know... I'm pretty sure they make dull colored retroreflective tape. If I could find some dark gray or black that lights up when lit at night, maybe I'd do that to my forks to replace the goofy orange things I took off years ago. Stealth in the day, reflective at night. > Too clean, Mr Bling, rides hard thru the night don't care if he's > seen... > > And that's a rap. Fo shizzle. SignatureJamin "I don't want a pickle..." -- Posted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com >> Speaking of a lone reflector I'd agree, but coupled with reflective >> clothing, tank bag, proper turn signals, etc. I think it makes one FAR [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] >If riding were only about safety for me, I wouldn't be riding. I'd be >driving the most crash-resistant vehicle I could find. Very good point!! =) -- Stephan 2003 Yamaha R6 kimi no koto omoidasu hi nante nai no wa kimi no koto wasureta toki ga nai kara |
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