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Motorcycle Forum / General / Sportbikes / August 2006Sportbikes and stoplights.
I'm sure there probably isn't anything that can be done about it, but man is it annoying how sportbikes lack of iron based metal refuses to trip stoplight sensors. Real late at night i find myself looking real good both ways then rolling on through after waiting for more than 2-3 minuets for the light to go green. This is a pita. > I'm sure there probably isn't anything that can be done about it, but > man is it annoying how sportbikes lack of iron based metal refuses to > trip stoplight sensors. Ebay lists devices to trip it for you. I know they show up all the time when I search for GS-650 Ian Singer  Signature========================================================================= See my homepage at http://www.iansinger.com hosted on http://www.1and1.com/?k_id=10623894 All genealogy is stored in TMG from http://www.whollygenes.com Charts and searching using TNG from http://www.tngsitebuilding.com I am near Toronto Canada, can I tell where you are from your reply? ========================================================================= always thought it looked like a gimick http://www.greenlightstuff.com/trigger.html >I'm sure there probably isn't anything that can be done about it, but >man is it annoying how sportbikes lack of iron based metal refuses to [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > >This is a pita. --- AntiSpam/harvest --- Remove X's to send email to me. >always thought it looked like a gimick > >http://www.greenlightstuff.com/trigger.html I think I may order one of those and report back on if it actually works. It costs little enough to where I can throw money at it and see what happens. I have one traffic light too that I get stuck on every single time without exception.... -- Stephan 2003 Yamaha R6 kimi no koto omoidasu hi nante nai no wa kimi no koto wasureta toki ga nai kara > >always thought it looked like a gimick > > [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > nante nai no wa > kimi no koto wasureta toki ga nai kara Thanks for the reply's. Its not that much cash. Besides 30 day money back guarantee, how can you lose? Where I'm getting stuck seems to be at the older (magnetic?) intersections, the newer ones seem to pick up the bike (pressure?) I'll try it and report back. >>always thought it looked like a gimick >> [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > nante nai no wa > kimi no koto wasureta toki ga nai kara I had several lights on the commute that wouldn't trip. I reported them to the local Traffic Authority and they set the sensor loops up to where they now see bikes. They were very accomodating here. SignatureGopher Greg '77 CB750K Stock '78 CB750K AHRMA '00 ZG1000 Stock '96 Ducati 900SS Former track bike '01 GSXR750 Current race bike **********pull 'mychain' to reply*********** ("I've abandoned the idea of trying to appear a normal, pleasant person. I had to accept myself as I was, even if no one else could accept me. For the rest of my life I would continue to say precisely the wrong thing, touch people in the raw and be generally unpopular. I had a natural gift for it" W. F. Temple) > I had several lights on the commute that wouldn't trip. I reported them > to the local Traffic Authority and they set the sensor loops up to where > they now see bikes. They were very accomodating here. Wow, that is good to hear. I think some states have handled this situation by passing laws that allow motorcyclists to treat red lights as stop signs under certain traffic conditions. - Kurt > Wow, that is good to hear. I think some states have handled this situation > by passing laws that allow motorcyclists to treat red lights as stop signs > under certain traffic conditions. If you're sitting at a red light, and it fails to turn green when it should, then that traffic light is not functioning as intended. I always wait for a full light cycle, just to be sure it's not a slow light, then I treat it as a stop sign. Stop, look, then go when clear, yielding to all other directions of travel. I wouldn't hesitate to do that even if a cop was standing right there watching me, because what's the alternative? SignatureJamin "I don't want a pickle..." -- Posted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com >> Wow, that is good to hear. I think some states have handled this situation >> by passing laws that allow motorcyclists to treat red lights as stop signs [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] >I wouldn't hesitate to do that even if a cop was standing right there >watching me, because what's the alternative? As I was told by the local driving school when I asked them that very same question: wait until a car comes Problem, at least here in germany, are the friggin red light cameras with lights like that. Not really an issue out where I live since I live in the middle of nowhere. But larger cities are very likely to have red light cameras and that camera doesn't give a crap if you just stood there waiting an hour or 5 minutes. -- Stephan 2003 Yamaha R6 kimi no koto omoidasu hi nante nai no wa kimi no koto wasureta toki ga nai kara "everytime i talked to an american,i feel like i am chatting with a hip hop singer" > As I was told by the local driving school when I asked them that very > same question: wait until a car comes Standard government answer: The problem is beyond your ability to solve, wait for help to arrive. What a bunch of crap, in my opinion. Are you supposed to go "baa baa" inside your helmet as you wait? > Problem, at least here in germany, are the friggin red light cameras > with lights like that. Not really an issue out where I live since I > live in the middle of nowhere. But larger cities are very likely to > have red light cameras and that camera doesn't give a crap if you just > stood there waiting an hour or 5 minutes. That would be a hassle, you're right. I would be bitching and complaining to the local authorities that their traffic control devices do not function properly, since my very legal road vehicle fails to trigger a green light. There has to be an established method for the citizens to voice their complaints and get them addressed. I know we can do that here. I will not be held captive by a malfunctioning red lightbulb. The spirit of any traffic law is to aid the safe, smooth flow of vehicles among the various streets and highways. If a traffic control device isn't functioning properly, that is not my problem. I will disobey the letter of the law and abide by the spirit of the law instead. So far, it works just fine. My stress level about stubborn red lights? Zero point zero. I may get a ticket someday, but I'll fight it and win. SignatureJamin "I don't want a pickle..." -- Posted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com >> As I was told by the local driving school when I asked them that very >> same question: wait until a car comes [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] >What a bunch of crap, in my opinion. Are you supposed to go "baa baa" inside >your helmet as you wait? Dunno, trust me...I certainly don't baa baa inside my helmet either. I wait a couple mins, then ride on through the light...everyone else does the same thing as well. Nobody actually sits there and waits. >> Problem, at least here in germany, are the friggin red light cameras >> with lights like that. Not really an issue out where I live since I [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] >There has to be an established method for the citizens to voice their >complaints and get them addressed. I know we can do that here. Sure, I can go to the our DMV and complain about it. I was thinking of trying it one of these days just to see what they say. Haven't really had the time to do so though... >I will not be held captive by a malfunctioning red lightbulb. The spirit of >any traffic law is to aid the safe, smooth flow of vehicles among the >various streets and highways. If a traffic control device isn't functioning >properly, that is not my problem. I will disobey the letter of the law and >abide by the spirit of the law instead. So far, it works just fine. My >stress level about stubborn red lights? Zero point zero. I agree with you there. >I may get a ticket someday, but I'll fight it and win. Considering, at least from my experience in Florida, that most traffic courts consider you guilty until proven innocent...good luck. =) >I wouldn't hesitate to do that even if a cop was standing right there >watching me, because what's the alternative? In the end; you'll be the one that violated the law.. sadly.... The officer told me that the "right thing" to do is to change lanes, continue on, and turn elsewhere. --- AntiSpam/harvest --- Remove X's to send email to me. > In the end; you'll be the one that violated the law.. sadly.... > The officer told me that the "right thing" to do is to change lanes, > continue > on, and turn elsewhere. In California, law officers tend to be a bit more practical. (Thank God.) I was once sitting at a red light that didn't seem to know that I was there when a CHP motor officer came around me and simply blew through the light, beckoning me along behind him. I followed. Pete >> I wouldn't hesitate to do that even if a cop was standing right there >> watching me, because what's the alternative? > > In the end; you'll be the one that violated the law.. sadly.... > The officer told me that the "right thing" to do is to change lanes, continue > on, and turn elsewhere. If I can change lanes and reroute, sure. There are scenarios where that's not possible, and in those cases I guess I'll have to safely break the law. Oh well. SignatureJamin "I don't want a pickle..." http://kutv.com/letbillbuyit/local_story_196170128.html > >>always thought it looked like a gimick > >> [quoted text clipped - 18 lines] > to the local Traffic Authority and they set the sensor loops up to where > they now see bikes. They were very accomodating here. > http://kutv.com/letbillbuyit/local_story_196170128.html Good post, and it should answer the question once and for all. But it won't. Pete > I'm sure there probably isn't anything that can be done about it, but > man is it annoying how sportbikes lack of iron based metal refuses to > trip stoplight sensors. I had read somewhere that putting the kickstand down, and letting the bike settle under you on it helps. It seemed to work when I ran into this problem back in CO. I haven't had much trouble with it here in MD. Just remember to put the kickstand back up before clicking out of neutral. I'm not sure all sensors rely on detecting ferrous material - I thought some were designed to sense pressure instead. - Kurt >I'm not sure all sensors rely on detecting ferrous material - I thought some >were designed to sense pressure instead. I seriously doubt any light relies on pressure -- earth shifting, heating/cooling, especially in CO --- snow/ice... I think perhaps detection of electrical impulses is more likely. --- AntiSpam/harvest --- Remove X's to send email to me. > >I'm not sure all sensors rely on detecting ferrous material - I thought > >some [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > I think perhaps detection of electrical impulses is more likely. Current through a buried wire loop (usually set into the road as a rectangle) creates a magnetic field. Moving a ferrous metal object at right angles to the wire induces a change in the magnetic field which induces a sine-wave fluctuation in the current in the loop. The closer the metal is to the loop, the more of a fluctuation is produced. This is why simply sliding a steel-toed boot across the loop lines in the road as you come to a stop works pretty well (and it's free if you normally wear riding gear to begin with). FZ6 Vet Lost Wages > > >I'm not sure all sensors rely on detecting ferrous material - I thought > > >some [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] > FZ6 Vet > Lost Wages None of my riding boots have steel toes. SignatureTweak > > > >I'm not sure all sensors rely on detecting ferrous material - I thought > > > >some [quoted text clipped - 18 lines] > > > None of my riding boots have steel toes. I ride with steel toes as i have to wear them at work so ill try this tonight also. > > > > >I'm not sure all sensors rely on detecting ferrous material - I > thought [quoted text clipped - 27 lines] > I ride with steel toes as i have to wear them at work so ill try this > tonight also. Tried the steel toe maneuver with 50-50 results. One light seemed to trip and the other i had to run it. >>I'm not sure all sensors rely on detecting ferrous material - I thought some >>were designed to sense pressure instead. [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > --- AntiSpam/harvest --- > Remove X's to send email to me. It's just a capacitance loop (antenna) buried in the pavement and attached to a controller. The sensitivity is adjustable. Many are set up with a larger mass than a motorcycle and therefore won't sense. Turn up the sensitivity and the thing now 'sees' bikes. SignatureGopher Greg '77 CB750K Stock '78 CB750K AHRMA '00 ZG1000 Stock '96 Ducati 900SS Former track bike '01 GSXR750 Current race bike **********pull 'mychain' to reply*********** ("I've abandoned the idea of trying to appear a normal, pleasant person. I had to accept myself as I was, even if no one else could accept me. For the rest of my life I would continue to say precisely the wrong thing, touch people in the raw and be generally unpopular. I had a natural gift for it" W. F. Temple) > It's just a capacitance loop (antenna) buried in the pavement and > attached to a controller. The sensitivity is adjustable. Many are set up > with a larger mass than a motorcycle and therefore won't sense. Turn up > the sensitivity and the thing now 'sees' bikes. All I think I know is there are two common ways of doing it - and the above is one of them. - Kurt > I'm sure there probably isn't anything that can be done about it, but > man is it annoying how sportbikes lack of iron based metal refuses to [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > > This is a pita. Head to Radioshack, or your local electronics store equivalent and buy a rare earth magnet. Super glue it to the bottom of your bike. Done [1]. [1] I've heard this works. But I've never had a problem triggering lights on the Blade. > > I'm sure there probably isn't anything that can be done about it, but > > man is it annoying how sportbikes lack of iron based metal refuses to [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > [1] I've heard this works. But I've never had a problem triggering lights on > the Blade. is this magnet big enough? http://www.radioshack.com/product/index.jsp?productId=2102642&cp=&origkw=rare+ea rth+magnet&kw=rare+earth+magnet&parentPage=search >> > I'm sure there probably isn't anything that can be done about it, but >> > man is it annoying how sportbikes lack of iron based metal refuses to [quoted text clipped - 17 lines] > >http://www.radioshack.com/product/index.jsp?productId=2102642&cp=&origkw=rare+ea rth+magnet&kw=rare+earth+magnet&parentPage=search I like how they list "English" as a supported language for the magnet. What happens if I speak to it in German or something? -- Stephan 2003 Yamaha R6 kimi no koto omoidasu hi nante nai no wa kimi no koto wasureta toki ga nai kara "everytime i talked to an american,i feel like i am chatting with a hip hop singer" > I'm sure there probably isn't anything that can be done about it, but > man is it annoying how sportbikes lack of iron based metal refuses to [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > > This is a pita. My commute route includes three or four intersections with lights that DO NOT recognize Junior (My NX250) , even if I drop the kick stand down on the sensor and rever 'er up to communicate to it. I usually just look around after a respectful full stop and .... go anyway. Jim Stinnett DeadVTR1000 YZF R1 NX250 R1100RS > My commute route includes three or four intersections with lights that DO > NOT recognize Junior (My NX250) , even if I drop the kick stand down on > the sensor and rever 'er up to communicate to it. Revving the bike up won't help at all; it's just a matter of ferrous (well, ferromagnetic) material having a big enough influence on the field being generated by the loop. Bob M. > My commute route includes three or four intersections with lights that DO > NOT recognize Junior (My NX250) , even if I drop the kick stand down on > the sensor and rever 'er up to communicate to it. Revving the bike up won't help at all; it's just a matter of ferrous (well, ferromagnetic) material having a big enough influence on the field being generated by the loop. Bob M. > My commute route includes three or four intersections with lights that DO > NOT recognize Junior (My NX250) , even if I drop the kick stand down on > the sensor and rever 'er up to communicate to it. Revving the bike up won't help at all; it's just a matter of ferrous (well, ferromagnetic) material having a big enough influence on the field being generated by the loop. Bob M. > My commute route includes three or four intersections with lights that DO > NOT recognize Junior (My NX250) , even if I drop the kick stand down on > the sensor and rever 'er up to communicate to it. Revving the bike up won't help at all; it's just a matter of ferrous (well, ferromagnetic) material having a big enough influence on the field being generated by the loop. Bob M. > My commute route includes three or four intersections with lights that DO > NOT recognize Junior (My NX250) , even if I drop the kick stand down on > the sensor and rever 'er up to communicate to it. Revving the bike up won't help at all; it's just a matter of ferrous (well, ferromagnetic) material having a big enough influence on the field being generated by the loop. Bob M. Apologies for the multiple popsts...Lookout Express seems to be having problems this morning....sigh... Bob M. Apologies for the multiple popsts...Lookout Express seems to be having problems this morning....sigh... Bob M. Apologies for the multiple popsts...Lookout Express seems to be having problems this morning....sigh... Bob M. Apologies for the multiple popsts...Lookout Express seems to be having problems this morning....sigh... Bob M. > My commute route includes three or four intersections with lights that DO > NOT recognize Junior (My NX250) , even if I drop the kick stand down on > the sensor and rever 'er up to communicate to it. Revving the bike up won't help at all; it's just a matter of ferrous (well, ferromagnetic) material having a big enough influence on the field being generated by the loop. Bob M. > My commute route includes three or four intersections with lights that DO > NOT recognize Junior (My NX250) , even if I drop the kick stand down on > the sensor and rever 'er up to communicate to it. Revving the bike up won't help at all; it's just a matter of ferrous (well, ferromagnetic) material having a big enough influence on the field being generated by the loop. Bob M. > My commute route includes three or four intersections with lights that DO > NOT recognize Junior (My NX250) , even if I drop the kick stand down on > the sensor and rever 'er up to communicate to it. Revving the bike up won't help at all; it's just a matter of ferrous (well, ferromagnetic) material having a big enough influence on the field being generated by the loop. Bob M. > My commute route includes three or four intersections with lights that DO > NOT recognize Junior (My NX250) , even if I drop the kick stand down on > the sensor and rever 'er up to communicate to it. Revving the bike up won't help at all; it's just a matter of ferrous (well, ferromagnetic) material having a big enough influence on the field being generated by the loop. Bob M. > I'm sure there probably isn't anything that can be done about it, but > man is it annoying how sportbikes lack of iron based metal refuses to [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > > This is a pita. I just drag a steel-toed boot across the trip line (the edges of the square set into the road). Most are motion sensing rather than weight sensing, so about 9 of 10 trip just fine this way. In Maryland they used sonar sensors (you could just barely hear them chirp) which worked great usually. The problem I have had lately here in Las Vegas is that they are replacing the magnetic sensors with a camera-based system designed not to be tripped by pedestrians. If you are directly inline with the camera, sometimes it will not recognize a motorcycle because the image is not wide enough (it thinks it is just a fat pedestrian I guess). > I'm sure there probably isn't anything that can be done about it, but > man is it annoying how sportbikes lack of iron based metal refuses to [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > > This is a pita. Try stopping directly over the lines in the road. I had a problem light that was totally reined in with this technique. SignaturePhil Lee, Squid |
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