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Oro Valley couple killed in motorcycle accident By Alexis Huicochea Arizona Daily Star Tucson, Arizona | Published: 08.21.2006 advertisementChris M. Hoffman, security coordinator for Pima County Superior Court and retired Pima County Sheriff's sergeant, was killed, along with his wife, in a motorcycle accident Saturday, an official said Monday. Hoffman and his wife, Salle J. Hoffman, were riding on a 2006 Harley Davidson motorcycle eastbound on U.S. 60 in Superior around 10:20 a.m. when he took his left hand off of the handle bars to wave at a passing motorcyclist, said Officer Jim Oien, a Department of Public Safety spokesman. He lost control of the motorcycle and the couple was thrown from the Harley after it went off the roadway, striking a dirt mound, Oien said. Chris Hoffman was not wearing a helmet, but his wife was, Oien added. They were both taken to a Phoenix hospital where they died as a result of their injuries, Oien said. The couple lived in Oro Valley, Oien said. They are survived by a son who is in the Army and a daughter who resides in Maryland. Chris Hoffman worked for the Pima County Sheriff's Department for 20 years before retiring in 1998 as a sergeant, said Deputy Dawn Barkman a Pima County Sheriff's Department. He was in charge of the civil unit, she said. On May 15, 2000, he began working at Pima County Superior Court. "Chris will be greatly missed by his family at the Pima County Sheriff's Department," Barkman said in a news release. Added Kent Batty, a Pima County Superior Court administrator: "Chris Hoffman was a valued member of the court's staff. His law enforcement experience, his rapid grasp of court security issues and the strength of his devotion to his role, combined with his work ethic, congeniality and persistence brought about many improvements in the court's security profile. He will be deeply missed." http://www.azstarnet.com/sn/hourlyupdate/143066.php I always wondered why I hardly ever get waves returned from Harley riders. Ted > Oro Valley couple killed in motorcycle accident > By Alexis Huicochea [quoted text clipped - 32 lines] > > http://www.azstarnet.com/sn/hourlyupdate/143066.php > I always wondered why I hardly ever get waves returned from > Harley riders. [quoted text clipped - 37 lines] > > > > http://www.azstarnet.com/sn/hourlyupdate/143066.php It's a shame, but I think a Rider must use a bit of caution and reserve when waving other Riders. It wasn't the wave, but the inexperience and lack of thought that ended his life. My 2 Cents! > I always wondered why I hardly ever get waves returned from > Harley riders. Ouch! That is cold. I only return waves. I don't bother to initiate them. And I return with a nod if I'm on the clutch or in a tight turn. Usually people don't wave in corners. I have trouble with the theory that taking your hand off the left bar will cause a crash if you are going straight. I have a problem with holding the grips too tightly and will drop my left hand to let the blood back in sometimes. I could drop my right hand if I had a throttle lock or cruise control. The bike tracks perfectly straight.  SignatureThis post uses 100% post consumer electrons and 100% virgin photons. At 2.6 miles per minute, you don't really have time to get bored. --- Pete Roehling on rec.motorcycles >> I always wondered why I hardly ever get waves returned from >> Harley riders. [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > blood back in sometimes. I could drop my right hand if I had a > throttle lock or cruise control. The bike tracks perfectly straight. Get a heavy rubber band and put it between the throttle handgrip and the electrical block......the friction will hold your throttle open.......you should be able to do stand up tricks on the seat in no time. Do not attempt this in your living room....... :) Oh yeah.....could be hazardous to your health. >> I always wondered why I hardly ever get waves returned from >> Harley riders. [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > blood back in sometimes. I could drop my right hand if I had a > throttle lock or cruise control. The bike tracks perfectly straight. He might have hit a dip in the road while he was waving, pulled one side of the bar when the bike bumped, and lost it. Or, the wife could have shifted while he was waving and caused the same result. My guess is that something caused instability and the rider couldn't handle it with only one hand on the bar. Robert >Oro Valley couple killed in motorcycle accident >By Alexis Huicochea [quoted text clipped - 32 lines] > >http://www.azstarnet.com/sn/hourlyupdate/143066.php Christ, this is almost unbelievable. Why all these old neophytes on Harleys, anyway? I can be mid-turn at max lean and either wave to an oncoming biker or scrape the ground with my glove and I'm 61 years old with only one leg & half (physically) a heart. We should have a better way to qualify riders in the USA. Just like some of us old duffers shouldn't be driving cars, that goes in spades for riding motorcycles, Harley gets the bad press because that's what most old dudes end up buying; like some clueless childhood dream of the less than mentally enhanced. What I'm saying is don't blame Harley for this one. My Doctor said he recently lost an older patient under similar circumstances but the helmeted wife survived. Bob Nixon, Chandler AZ 01 Sprint ST "RED" 54K miles http://bigrex.net/pictures > Christ, this is almost unbelievable. Why all these old neophytes on > Harleys, anyway? [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > 01 Sprint ST "RED" 54K miles > http://bigrex.net/pictures I'm curious how they determined it was the wave that caused the loss of control, as both principles involved are deceased. SignatureTweak >> Christ, this is almost unbelievable. Why all these old neophytes on >> Harleys, anyway? [quoted text clipped - 17 lines] > I'm curious how they determined it was the wave that caused the loss of > control, as both principles involved are deceased. Hell from the title I thought it was a bike caught in a Tsunami or something. To die from something so mundane seems particularly brutal, karma wise. SignatureAndrew 00 Daytona 00 Speed Triple 71 Kawi H1 05 Toddler > >> Christ, this is almost unbelievable. Why all these old neophytes on > >> Harleys, anyway? [quoted text clipped - 21 lines] > something. To die from something so mundane seems particularly brutal, > karma wise. My first thought as well. Had me wondering just what the hell those folks are doing at Daytona now... SignatureTweak >> Christ, this is almost unbelievable. Why all these old neophytes on >> Harleys, anyway? [quoted text clipped - 17 lines] >I'm curious how they determined it was the wave that caused the loss of >control, as both principles involved are deceased. Waving is one thing. Looking around to see if the other guy waves back so you know he thinks you're cool is another. SignatureClick here every day to feed an animal that needs you today !!! http://www.theanimalrescuesite.com/ Paul ( pjm @ pobox . com ) - remove spaces to email me 'Some days, it's just not worth chewing through the restraints.' 'With sufficient thrust, pigs fly just fine.' HVAC/R program for Palm PDA's Free demo now available online http://pmilligan.net/palm/ >I'm curious how they determined it was the wave that caused the loss of >control, as both principles involved are deceased. Actually, he was flipping someone off. 8) >> Oro Valley couple killed in motorcycle accident <SNIP> >> Hoffman and his wife, Salle J. Hoffman, were riding on a 2006 Harley >> Davidson motorcycle eastbound on U.S. 60 in Superior around 10:20 a.m. [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] >> They were both taken to a Phoenix hospital where they died as a result >> of their injuries, Oien said. <SNIP> >> http://www.azstarnet.com/sn/hourlyupdate/143066.php > [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > for this one. My Doctor said he recently lost an older patient under > similar circumstances but the helmeted wife survived. Can't say what really happened except what is expressed in the media. What if he had a stroke? In Clovis NM about two years ago, there was a pastor and pillion wife riding on a Harley. They tried to overtake a semi on the right in the short extra lane at this village on US 60/84 west of Clovis. He ran out of lane and struck a parked semi trailer off the side of the road, killing them both. He was a long time rider, so lack of experience was not a factor. They were in their early '40s from what I gather. It seemed they may have been returning late and my guess is possibly fatigue, although that wasn't stated. Unfortunately they left several underage children without parents. SignatureHPT > They tried to overtake a semi on the right in the short extra > lane at this village on US 60/84 west of Clovis. He ran out of lane and [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > returning late and my guess is possibly fatigue, although that wasn't > stated. Unfortunately they left several underage children without parents. I can't quite fathom why you'd try to overtake a semi in a righthand pullout lane or fail to see a parked semi at the end of the lane before you ran into it. If it was fatigue, that's fatigued to the point of dementia. > I can be mid-turn at max lean and either wave to an oncoming biker or > scrape the ground with my glove and I'm 61 years old with only one leg > & half (physically) a heart. If you spot me in mid turn riding my sidecar rig and I nod instead of waving, you should know that since it doesn't lean, I have to hang on to the bars with both hands to keep them turned. Accelerating through left turns is particularly difficult since the weight to the right makes the bike want to pull that way instead. Right turns are easier ... except that if you go too fast, you'll unweight the sidecar and find yourself back on two wheels. Sidecars make for an interesting ride, yes they do. However, if I'm on my regular bike I'll wave unless I'm leaned over far (for me.) But then, I don't have the experience that you do. -hank > Oro Valley couple killed in motorcycle accident <SNIP STORY> Well Duh! He had a pillion, so he didn't need to wave, thats her job! A nods as good as a wink to a blind man......... >He had a pillion, so he didn't need to wave, thats her job! Yep. I understand when I don't get a wave from a rider, there might be any number of things on his or her mind. But the pillion, that's biblical law! I'm on board with Manny's 2c also. Inexperience, as evidenced by the failure to instruct the pillion as to her proper duties. >>He had a pillion, so he didn't need to wave, thats her job! > >Yep. I understand when I don't get a wave from a rider, there might be any >number of things on his or her mind. But the pillion, that's biblical law! The pillion may be hanging on for dear life with both hands. On Wed, 23 Aug 2006 01:55:36 GMT, in message <44ebb4ee.381739343@news.la.sbcglobal.net>, ls650{modelname}@sbcglobal.net (Paladin) scribed: >>>He had a pillion, so he didn't need to wave, thats her job! >> >>Yep. I understand when I don't get a wave from a rider, there might be any >>number of things on his or her mind. But the pillion, that's biblical law! > >The pillion may be hanging on for dear life with both hands. <retch> That just doesn't cut the mustard. I'd have a new pillion :-) > Hoffman and his wife, Salle J. Hoffman, were riding on a 2006 Harley > Davidson motorcycle eastbound on U.S. 60 in Superior around 10:20 a.m. [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > Harley after it went off the roadway, striking a dirt mound, Oien > said. > http://www.azstarnet.com/sn/hourlyupdate/143066.php Reminds me of the time I was drag racing my V-Max against a friend's Suzuki GS1150E. We were up around 125mph when it became obvious that I won the race, so I pumped left fist a few times to hammer home the victory. Wind has a lot of force at that speed, and it pulled my arm back quite a ways! I didn't wreck or die, but it definitely got my attention.... |
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