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Motorcycle Forum / General / Sportbikes / March 2007my wife asked to look for a bike for her
Hi, It is a big day today. My wife asked me to find a bike for her. Will sign up her for MNFC first, but in meantime I need to start a research. What would you recommend for 4'11" tall women (she like sports, swims very well etc). The only requirement she gave me it can not be a chopper.  Signaturealfz1 > Hi, > [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > The only requirement she gave me it can not be a chopper. 250 Ninja? 250 Eliminator? 600 Eliminator? GS500? Me, considering I went through this same event a long time ago, I'd find myself a 20 year old KZ440, GS400, CR250 Kawasaki, and let her learn on that before considering a REAL machine. > 250 Ninja? 250 Eliminator? 600 Eliminator? GS500? 250 Ninja? this sounds interesting. I always wanted to try it out too. and that 70MPG - do you get it. SignatureA >> 250 Ninja? 250 Eliminator? 600 Eliminator? GS500? >> > 250 Ninja? > this sounds interesting. I always wanted to try it out too. and that > 70MPG - do you get it. oh I get it, but its got plastic and it isn't as cheap as a $500 beater bike. The smaller the easier to pass the test with. > 250 Ninja? > this sounds interesting. I always wanted to try it out too. and that > 70MPG - do you get it. Do you get 70 MPG with a Ninja 250? A typical rider will probably get somewhere in the 50-60 MPG range, but I've seen figures ranging anywhere from the mid 40s to the high 60s reported on the Ninja 250 board. One guy claimed to be averaging 73 MPG, but nobody else believed him. >>250 Ninja? >>this sounds interesting. I always wanted to try it out too. and that >>70MPG - do you get it. > > Do you get 70 MPG with a Ninja 250? At 70MPG level +-5MPG is withing error margin so it really does not matter whether it is 65 or 70. The same 5MPG makes huge difference for trucks getting 15MPG. Signaturealfz1 > Hi, > [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > The only requirement she gave me it can not be a chopper. Good for her! - Kawasaki Ninja 250 - Honda Nighthawk 250 The answer to the inevitable question is: Yes, of course she will outgrow it in a few months, but so what? The idea is to be unintimidated while she's learning so that she can learn well. SignatureDenise AFM #732 denise dot howard at comcast dot net '00 SV650 | '00 929 Lippman Racing CBR 400RR > Hi, > [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > The only requirement she gave me it can not be a chopper. Go vintage: http://saltlakecity.craigslist.org/mcy/295614301.html or http://saltlakecity.craigslist.org/mcy/295612058.html > Go vintage: > > http://saltlakecity.craigslist.org/mcy/295614301.html Vintage actually costs more than I envision for some cheapo, disposalable 250-400cc parallel twin of early-mid 80's vintage. >> Go vintage: >> >> http://saltlakecity.craigslist.org/mcy/295614301.html > > Vintage actually costs more than I envision for some cheapo, disposalable > 250-400cc parallel twin of early-mid 80's vintage. Like this: http://saltlakecity.craigslist.org/mcy/295334593.html http://saltlakecity.craigslist.org/mcy/295326722.html http://saltlakecity.craigslist.org/mcy/295087986.html or newer: http://saltlakecity.craigslist.org/mcy/295087986.html >> Go vintage: >> >> http://saltlakecity.craigslist.org/mcy/295614301.html > > Vintage actually costs more than I envision for some cheapo, > disposalable 250-400cc parallel twin of early-mid 80's vintage. (and when she graduates to something fuel-injected... she'll be dazzled!) SignatureDebbie Keith 2002 Daytona "Buell rhymes with Stool" I wouldn't do it! Had a girlfriend that wanted to start MC riding. Bought her a 500cc starter bike, took MC course and proceeded to scare the hell out of me. Not only was I board stiff putting along on my 1000cc BMW while she was scared stiff at every turn. Looking in the rear view mirrior after every turn and hopping she made it. Granted her reflexes wern't too good, but still remember how long it took you to become proficent. > It is a big day today. My wife asked me to find a bike for her. Will > sign up her for MNFC first, but in meantime I need to start a research. > What would you recommend for 4'11" tall women (she like sports, swims > very well etc). Ducati Monster; 620 or 695 >>It is a big day today. My wife asked me to find a bike for her. Will >>sign up her for MNFC first, but in meantime I need to start a research. >>What would you recommend for 4'11" tall women (she like sports, swims >>very well etc). > > Ducati Monster; 620 or 695 any word of why it would be good ... > pjhart...@gmail.com wrote: > [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > > any word of why it would be good ... Low seat height, low center of gravity, flat torque curve that will reward the rider with predictable results at all RPMs. >> pjhart...@gmail.com wrote: >> [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > Low seat height, low center of gravity, flat torque curve that will > reward the rider with predictable results at all RPMs. Sounds just like an sv650 except twice as expensive! >>> pjhart...@gmail.com wrote: >>> [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > > Sounds just like an sv650 except twice as expensive! Monster 800 is $9k, SV650 is $6k. So it is 50% more, not 100% and the Duc is 800cc vs 650cc. Hmmm. Come on Troy, we all know you are big on facts. Besides, one has soul the other is an appliance. :) Oh wait, he wants a bike for the wife, buy an appliance. Wait again, if bikes are shoes then I think the wife would rather have the Italian shoes rather than the Nikes. >>> Low seat height, low center of gravity, flat torque curve that will >>> reward the rider with predictable results at all RPMs. [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > So it is 50% more, not 100% and the Duc is 800cc vs 650cc. Hmmm. So an sv650 is only 50% better? Well...s'all right I guess.... > Come on Troy, we all know you are big on facts. Besides, one has soul the > other is an appliance. :) And this alleged "soul" might be....what exactly? Because it costs more? >>>> Low seat height, low center of gravity, flat torque curve that will >>>> reward the rider with predictable results at all RPMs. [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > > And this alleged "soul" might be....what exactly? Because it costs more? I see you snipped the shoe analogy... That's ok. I think the soul comes from all the welds in a Trellis frame and that outdated Desmo valve train (trying to sound like a former poster that used to swear that triples are the "one true engine"). You know, this whole "soul" vs. "appliance" thing is soooo much more fun to debate than the tired old discussions about flat carbs, idle jets, vibration, rotating mass and H-D debates. It is like aurging about music. Did you know that CCR was a hippie protest band, with songs like Fortunate Son and Who'll Stop the Rain? What do I know about soul. I'm white, I can't dance, I can't hold a rythm and all I have ever really ridden are Hondas? >>>>> Low seat height, low center of gravity, flat torque curve that will >>>>> reward the rider with predictable results at all RPMs. [quoted text clipped - 25 lines] > What do I know about soul. I'm white, I can't dance, I can't hold a rythm > and all I have ever really ridden are Hondas? Don't believe that rascist 'White men can't dance' crap. We just dance differently, to a different beat that only we can hear. Riding Honda's is more of a male/female thing than black/white.....girls ride Honda's. :) > >>>>> Low seat height, low center of gravity, flat torque curve that will > >>>>> reward the rider with predictable results at all RPMs. [quoted text clipped - 31 lines] > Riding Honda's is more of a male/female thing than black/white.....girls > ride Honda's. :)- I think Brian is trying to tell Bryan that he's cute? > Riding Honda's is more of a male/female thing than > black/white.....girls ride Honda's. :) yeah, ain't it cool? I like girls on my Honda. Re > You know, this whole "soul" vs. "appliance" thing is soooo much more fun > to debate than the tired old discussions about flat carbs, idle jets, > vibration, rotating mass and H-D debates. Yes! Motorcycles with SOULS....what are they, who makes them, why do they have it and another one made by someone else to a higher level of quality DOESN'T have it? > It is like aurging about music. Did you know that CCR was a hippie > protest band, with songs like Fortunate Son and Who'll Stop the Rain? But of course. > What do I know about soul. I'm white, I can't dance, I can't hold a rythm > and all I have ever really ridden are Hondas? I started on a Yamaha, worked my way through a nice brace or three of Kawasaki's, switched over to Honda's during the 90's and early 2000's, and of late have been a Zookie man. I have been examining Ducati's, KTM's, ( test rode a Buell) and the occasional Triumph as of late. Perhaps it is time to spend more money than most bikes are really worth and go searching for this "soul" stuff while hoping that Italian or American reliability ( or lack thereof ) doesn't piss me off first. > I have been examining Ducati's, KTM's, ( test rode a Buell) and the > occasional Triumph as of late. Perhaps it is time to spend more money than > most bikes are really worth and go searching for this "soul" stuff while > hoping that Italian or American reliability ( or lack thereof ) doesn't piss > me off first. Why take a chance? Stick with the tried and true Japanese machines. You've been happy with them for what, twenty plus years? It's not like they're getting worse; they're getting better every year. I can't think of a single reason for you to try anything else! >> I have been examining Ducati's, KTM's, ( test rode a Buell) and the >> occasional Triumph as of late. Perhaps it is time to spend more money [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > > Why take a chance? Why not? I've owned my fair share of most of the japanese manufactures, maybe its time for something new? Don't you ever want to try something other than Chevy trucks and expensive Italian/American vtwin motorcycles? Like a Pacific Coast and big touring bike define everything about Japanese bikes? >Stick with the tried and true Japanese machines. > You've been happy with them for what, twenty plus years? Since I started on a 77 RD400. > It's not > like they're getting worse; they're getting better every year. I > can't think of a single reason for you to try anything else! Of course YOU can't think of a reason, but I am a SCIENTIST!! I am required to test the bounds of conventional thinking on a regular basis! Why not in my personal life with motorcycles as well? > Of course YOU can't think of a reason, but I am a SCIENTIST!! I am > required to test the bounds of conventional thinking on a regular basis! > Why not in my personal life with motorcycles as well? Hehehehehehhe! You "test the bounds" buying an appliance? :) of "convential thinking", buying a safe cheap motorcycle. You are a hoot! Admit it, you are either poor or cheap. Me? I am poor and I am cheap. That's why I ride a 6 year old Honda. But I still understand soul. BTW, the S90 has soul. Goddam the Honda 90 has soul. The Lifan Chinese knock off does not. >> Of course YOU can't think of a reason, but I am a SCIENTIST!! I am >> required to test the bounds of conventional thinking on a regular basis! >> Why not in my personal life with motorcycles as well? > > Hehehehehehhe! You "test the bounds" buying an appliance? :) of > "convential thinking", buying a safe cheap motorcycle. I have never bought a "cheap" motorcycle in my life, but I definitely keep my eye open for inexpensive examples of fine bikes. I'm a practical guy, spending $6G's when for $3G's I can get the same thing strikes me as completely reasonable, particularly when the extra qualities can only be described as "soul" and don't show up in fun to ride, lighter weight, more power, better handling, or other things which I can tell after riding it. > You are a hoot! > > Admit it, you are either poor or cheap. Me? I am poor and I am cheap. > That's why I ride a 6 year old Honda. But I still understand soul. I am neither poor nor cheap...I am pragmatic. How much is "soul" worth when buying motorcycles? > BTW, the S90 has soul. Goddam the Honda 90 has soul. The Lifan Chinese > knock off does not. I don't know anything about the Chinese knockoff, or apparently, what you and Tim call "soul" in what I remember as just a run of the mill pipsqueak bike. <snip> > I have been examining Ducati's, KTM's, ( test rode a Buell) and the > occasional Triumph as of late. Perhaps it is time to spend more money > than most bikes are really worth and go searching for this "soul" stuff > while hoping that Italian or American reliability ( or lack thereof ) > doesn't piss me off first. Sod the American (The soul of a bloated she-bitch) and Italian (Soul of a strung out super-model) bikes and go for the Austrian (Soul of a beer drinking blue-eyed blonde) KTM's.....mad as a spider and twice as hairy! > and go for the Austrian (Soul of a beer > drinking blue-eyed blonde) KTM's.....mad as a spider and twice as hairy! I forgot to mention Aprilia's, those Tuono's are real nice looking. >> and go for the Austrian (Soul of a beer drinking blue-eyed blonde) >> KTM's.....mad as a spider and twice as hairy! > > I forgot to mention Aprilia's, those Tuono's are real nice looking. Two of my mates have sold their RSV Mille R's and bought Tuono's. The high handlebars were the selling point. A pity they left the footpegs in the 'racer crouch' position. Instead of going for the high bars ($1800NZ for the 'bolt on' kit) I'm getting some custom footpeg mounts made up. I don't mind the clip-ons, but I'd like a bit more legroom. > <pjhart...@gmail.com> wrote in message > [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] > > Sounds just like an sv650 except twice as expensive! Actually, a Ducati Monster 620 or 695 is about the same price as as an SV650, but retains its value better. It's a much better value than an SV650, and it has soul. The SV650 was born with soul, but sold its soul to the devil so that it could appear 60-strong on lightweight club race grids nationwide. Now the SV650 is merely an empty husk of a motorcycle, waiting to be parted out to other club racers. A Hyosung Comet 650 has more soul. >> > Low seat height, low center of gravity, flat torque curve that will >> > reward the rider with predictable results at all RPMs. [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > Actually, a Ducati Monster 620 or 695 is about the same price as as an > SV650, but retains its value better. I thought Brian said it was 50% more expensive? > It's a much better value than an SV650, and it has soul. sv650's are quite an excellent value, and I have not a clue as to why an Italian made vtwin has soul when a same sized and probably more reliable japanese vtwin does not? > The SV650 was born with soul, but sold its soul to the devil so that > it could appear 60-strong on lightweight club race grids nationwide. ?? The sv650 was a born a beginner bike, a beginner bike which happened to be so good that non beginners enjoy it, and as you mentioned race it, and some of us tour on it, and others trackbike it, and I can understand why its pissed the italian-o-philes off in its ability to offer "soul" except at a lower price. > Now the SV650 is merely an empty husk of a motorcycle, waiting to be > parted out to other club racers. > > A Hyosung Comet 650 has more soul. So what is this soul thing in motorcycles? Besides you being a brand bigot in the same way you accuse me of against Hardleys? > >> > Low seat height, low center of gravity, flat torque curve that will > >> > reward the rider with predictable results at all RPMs. [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > > I thought Brian said it was 50% more expensive? Nah, that's the Monster S2R 800, a completely different and much more expensive motorcycle. > > It's a much better value than an SV650, and it has soul. > > sv650's are quite an excellent value, I agree 100%! > and I have not a clue as to why an > Italian made vtwin has soul when a same sized and probably more reliable > japanese vtwin does not? Of course, you don't. > > The SV650 was born with soul, but sold its soul to the devil so that > > it could appear 60-strong on lightweight club race grids nationwide. [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > pissed the italian-o-philes off in its ability to offer "soul" except at a > lower price. No, Ducatis are tearing the damn things to shreds in club races all over the country. When the SV650 came out, it pissed off FZR400, EX500, and Hawk 650GT club racers because it quickly became dominant in a way not seen since the Yamaha RD350/RD400/RZ350 days. It has NOTHING to do with Italophiles. Silly Troy. > > Now the SV650 is merely an empty husk of a motorcycle, waiting to be > > parted out to other club racers. [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > So what is this soul thing in motorcycles? Besides you being a brand bigot > in the same way you accuse me of against Hardleys? I'm just saying whatever I think might scandalize you. It's fun. Plus, you just don't get it. It's fun AND it's funny! >> > The SV650 was born with soul, but sold its soul to the devil so that >> > it could appear 60-strong on lightweight club race grids nationwide. [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > in a way not seen since the Yamaha RD350/RD400/RZ350 days. It has > NOTHING to do with Italophiles. Silly Troy. Well see, I don't know any Italian-o-philes except you and Saddle, paying more money without getting something decent in return has never really worked with the way I spend my motorcycle money. >> > Now the SV650 is merely an empty husk of a motorcycle, waiting to be >> > parted out to other club racers. [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > I'm just saying whatever I think might scandalize you. It's fun. > Plus, you just don't get it. It's fun AND it's funny! Oh...I've seen the entire "soul" thing before, but you are right, to date I most definitely haven't "gotten it". I buy motorcycles to ride mostly, not to clean, not to pose for my friends or try and collect some free snobbery among those who are limited to japanese motorcycles because of price ( versus guys like me who are more value conscious and just don't get the appeal ), maybe if I test ride one ( I do like the Multistrada ) I will understand better. > >> > The SV650 was born with soul, but sold its soul to the devil so that > >> > it could appear 60-strong on lightweight club race grids nationwide. [quoted text clipped - 37 lines] > appeal ), maybe if I test ride one ( I do like the Multistrada ) I will > understand better. Silly Troy. You don't need to ride one to understand. You just need to buy one and clean it. And pose. >> > I'm just saying whatever I think might scandalize you. It's fun. >> > Plus, you just don't get it. It's fun AND it's funny! [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] > > And pose. Sorry...while I understand the need for people who spend tons of money on a ride which doesn't really do the ride any better than something more "value" oriented, it will require a frontal lobotomy for me to be stupid enough to participate. > >> > I'm just saying whatever I think might scandalize you. It's fun. > >> > Plus, you just don't get it. It's fun AND it's funny! [quoted text clipped - 20 lines] > oriented, it will require a frontal lobotomy for me to be stupid enough to > participate. Well, I suppose we'll just have to wait, and hope. > I buy motorcycles to ride mostly, not > to clean, not to pose for my friends or try and collect some free snobbery > among those who are limited to japanese motorcycles because of price ( > versus guys like me who are more value conscious and just don't get the > appeal Really value concious motorcycle consumers buy Hyosung. You rich Japanese buying posers wouldn't understand. > A Hyosung Comet 650 has more soul. You are scaring me. Did you forget the /sarcasm tag? > <tomor...@erols.com> wrote in message > [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > You are scaring me. Did you forget the /sarcasm tag? Sarcasm? Me? > Hi, > [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > The only requirement she gave me it can not be a chopper. Honda rebel 250, or ninja 250 Reassembler I'm 5-0, and I ride a 250 ninja. it's perfect. Mine's not lowered, but it can be up to 4 inches if needed. |
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