 |
 | Home | Contact Us | FAQ | Search & Site Map | Link to Us |
 | Sign In | Join | Other 45 Sites in Network |
| HomeDiscussion Groups General MotorcyclesHarleyYamahaSportbikesRacingOff-roadSnowmobilesTechnicalCountry Specific Australian GroupUK GroupClassic (UK Group)Related Topics CarsBoatsMore Topics ... |
Motorcycle Forum / General / Sportbikes / March 2007SS1000 vs S4Rs for trackdays
So, I took my S4Rs (998cc 4v liquid-cooled testastretta-engined Monster w/ Ohlins shock and fork & Brembo radial-mount calipers) out for two track days last year. It was fun. The suspension and brakes were killer. The motor was WWWAAAAAAYYYYYYYYYYYY more than I need or want at the track, having spent all my club racing days on bikes with little more than HALF the horsepower of this bike. The bike won't go back on the track without a steering dampener, and to be frank, I'm not really sure I want to take it back out on the track at all. At nearly 50 years of age, braking from well over 150mph for turn one at Summit Point is, honestly, more excitement than I really need any more. So, I've been kicking around the idea of a 2v air-cooled supersport Ducati for a track bike; I raced a 750SS, and while I didn't get comfortable on it at the time, by the time I finished my racing career, it was a great fit for my needs. I have the opportunity to acquire a late model Ducati SS1000 dualspark model with the Ohlins rear shock, fully adjustable Showa front fork, about 80-85 hp (my 750SS in race trim made 72 hp) and about 70 ft-lbs of torque. Seems to me that this would be a great trackday bike. I hate SuperSports on the road; way too radical a riding position for me, but they seem to fit well and work well on the track. No worries about coolant, MUCH less expensive to maintain than a Superbike (or my S4Rs), less expensive (by FAR) if I drop it, and still that great Ducati sound. Plus, it's yellow, as all my racebikes were (and as the S4Rs is NOT.) That's gotta count for something. Whaddya think? On Mar 19, 3:53 pm, "tomor...@erols.com" <tomor...@erols.com> wrote: > So, I took my S4Rs (998cc 4v liquid-cooled testastretta-engined > Monster w/ Ohlins shock and fork & Brembo radial-mount calipers) out [quoted text clipped - 27 lines] > > Whaddya think? 1. You are making me rethink this whole track day thing on my 100hp F4i, dear lord I hope we run the short track and don't have to face really high top speeds. 2. The coolant thing. Yeah that is good. 3. I still have an itch for that Multistrada. > On Mar 19, 3:53 pm, "tomor...@erols.com" <tomor...@erols.com> wrote: > [quoted text clipped - 33 lines] > F4i, dear lord I hope we run the short track and don't have to face > really high top speeds. Speed in and of itself is not frightening and I personally don't find it particularly exhilarating. Sit on any airplane taking off and you'll go way faster than you will on any racetrack straightaway. What takes some balls and skill is waiting until the last minute to brake. Unless you have something to prove, you can just sit up and brake a little bit earlier. > 2. The coolant thing. Yeah that is good. Yeah, and more likely to overheat too. > 3. I still have an itch for that Multistrada. A sound decision. FWIW, yellow is the only proper Ducati color. As long as it's not that pastelly yellow crap they painted the S2R Monster with. >> On Mar 19, 3:53 pm, "tomor...@erols.com" <tomor...@erols.com> wrote: >> [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > brake. Unless you have something to prove, you can just sit up and > brake a little bit earlier. You mean I control the throttle? Yeah I got nothing to prove. I'm just doing the track day so I can demo a Buell. >> 2. The coolant thing. Yeah that is good. > > Yeah, and more likely to overheat too. Many Ducs are aircooled. Are they known to overheat? >> 3. I still have an itch for that Multistrada. > > A sound decision. And it's air cooled. > FWIW, yellow is the only proper Ducati color. As long as it's not that > pastelly yellow crap they painted the S2R Monster with. The Multi 620 comes in red or black..... > >> On Mar 19, 3:53 pm, "tomor...@erols.com" <tomor...@erols.com> wrote: > [quoted text clipped - 23 lines] > > And it's air cooled. Presumably you aren't going to wring its neck track style. > > FWIW, yellow is the only proper Ducati color. As long as it's not that > > pastelly yellow crap they painted the S2R Monster with. > > The Multi 620 comes in red or black..... Too bad, it used to come yellow. >> > A sound decision. >> >> And it's air cooled. > > Presumably you aren't going to wring its neck track style. Hehe, and you'd be wrong. I can only afford one bike, I figure if my F4i is good enough for dirt roads the Multi can handle a little track time. Run what ya brung and all that. Of course, if I was Troy I'd over analyze the cost / benefit ratio factoring in specs, reliability and depreciation and get a Suzuki 650. :) All said and done, that is probably a safe decision, with all the soul of a Nissan. Besides if I get a Duc I can rant about the costs and rave about the brakes and handling.... >>> > A sound decision. >>> [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > Of course, if I was Troy I'd over analyze the cost / benefit ratio > factoring in specs, reliability and depreciation and get a Suzuki 650. :) Brilliance is that obvious even across a keyboard, eh? > All said and done, that is probably a safe decision, with all the soul of > a Nissan. > > Besides if I get a Duc I can rant about the costs and rave about the > brakes and handling.... Get a SuperDuke! Or Tuono! > >> > A sound decision. > [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > good enough for dirt roads the Multi can handle a little track time. Run > what ya brung and all that. People take them all the time: http://www.multistrada.net/ Just not sure that they'll handle the abuse as well as a watercooled bike over time. > Of course, if I was Troy I'd over analyze the cost / benefit ratio factoring > in specs, reliability and depreciation and get a Suzuki 650. :) [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > Besides if I get a Duc I can rant about the costs and rave about the brakes > and handling.... They are outstanding machines. > On Mar 19, 3:53 pm, "tomor...@erols.com" <tomor...@erols.com> wrote: > [quoted text clipped - 33 lines] > F4i, dear lord I hope we run the short track and don't have to face > really high top speeds. It's not the high speeds that bother me... it's the split second nature of the transition from top speed to max braking for a slow corner that bothers me, and Summit Point has three such corners. Timing is everything, and timing is one thing that DOESN'T improve with age. Most trackday riders seem to adjust by simply braking earlier and braking less hard, but my racing background is hard to dismiss; when I KNOW where the braking markers are for various classes and speeds. Standing the S4Rs on its nose with those Brembos and feeling the back-end dance was fun, but only in a perverse, "Am I as close to tossing $15k down the track in its side as it feels like I am" kinda way! > 1. You are making me rethink this whole track day thing on my 100hp > F4i, dear lord I hope we run the short track and don't have to face > really high top speeds. If only there were a way for the rider to control how fast the motorcycle goes.  SignatureJamin "I don't want a pickle..." > > 1. You are making me rethink this whole track day thing on my 100hp > > F4i, dear lord I hope we run the short track and don't have to face > > really high top speeds. > > If only there were a way for the rider to control how fast the motorcycle > goes. Money! More money == more speed. Er, or something like that... -- Michael > Plus, it's yellow, as all my racebikes were (and as the S4Rs is NOT.) > That's gotta count for something. > > Whaddya think? They make sv650's in yellow. Get one of them, they crash great! And are cheap! > > Plus, it's yellow, as all my racebikes were (and as the S4Rs is NOT.) > > That's gotta count for something. [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > They make sv650's in yellow. Get one of them, they crash great! And are > cheap! I can guarantee you that I will never own or operate a Suzuki SV650. They are the devil bike from hell and I am a good christian. Get thee behind me, Satan! >> > Plus, it's yellow, as all my racebikes were (and as the S4Rs is NOT.) >> > That's gotta count for something. [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > They are the devil bike from hell and I am a good christian. Get > thee behind me, Satan! Zookie's itsy bitsy vtwin really has Ducati owners scared, does it? I didn't realize that the infringement on "their" territory brought out such zealotry among Ducati owners. I want a MultiStrada, but if someone offered me a SuperDuke I might not refuse. > <tomor...@erols.com> wrote in message > [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] > realize that the infringement on "their" territory brought out such zealotry > among Ducati owners. Nope. I beat SV650s all the time with my 51-hp EX500. They're cheap, fast (in the right hands) readily available, and ubiquitous. They are the Toyota Camry of racebikes. Dull, boring, anvil-like, no soul, no excitement, appliances. I have no desire to ride, race, or own a motorcycle appliance. I got that out of my system with my PC800 and VX800. >> Zookie's itsy bitsy vtwin really has Ducati owners scared, does it? I >> didn't [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > Nope. I beat SV650s all the time with my 51-hp EX500. Yeah baby! Pettiford, local race trainer guy, does the same thing. Heck, sv650's even lose to BUELLS!! Of course, the Buells get something like a 100% displacement advantage to make up for their deficiencies, but an EX500, now THAT is a good bike. > They're cheap, > fast (in the right hands) readily available, and ubiquitous. They are > the Toyota Camry of racebikes. Dull, boring, anvil-like, no soul, no > excitement, appliances. I thought sv650's qualified as the same type of thing? Or are they more exciting because they are a V instead of just a "regular" twin? > I have no desire to ride, race, or own a motorcycle appliance. I got > that out of my system with my PC800 and VX800. I like motorcycle appliances..cheap as dirt, last forever, good value, EXCELLENT value. Now where have I heard that before? > I like motorcycle appliances..cheap as dirt, last forever, good value, > EXCELLENT value. Now where have I heard that before? Not from me,. not taking about motorcycles. You can have all the motorcycle appliances you want. And by the way? A reliable, cheap as dirt, last forever, good value pickup truck that is an EXCELLENT value can certainly be an appliance. But not if it has the legendary Chevy small block V8 in it. Then, it has a soul, just like a Ducati. But a Titin or a Trundle would make a good SV650 hauler. Either one should be able to handle that job, as long as you keep up with the TSBs, recalls, and get the brakes serviced regularly. >> I like motorcycle appliances..cheap as dirt, last forever, good value, >> EXCELLENT value. Now where have I heard that before? > > Not from me,. not taking about motorcycles. You can have all the > motorcycle appliances you want. Motorcycle VALUE...lets get out terminology straight. > And by the way? A reliable, cheap as dirt, last forever, good value > pickup truck that is an EXCELLENT value can certainly be an > appliance. But not if it has the legendary Chevy small block V8 in > it. Then, it has a soul, just like a Ducati. I think I saw "soul" once, like in the Mustang, what with the rumbling, poor sorted suspension and other quirks which people obviously mistake for "soul" or something...but I don't know, some days I wish I could fall for a motorcycle the way Larry fell for his RC45. > But a Titin or a Trundle would make a good SV650 hauler. Either one > should be able to handle that job, as long as you keep up with the > TSBs, recalls, and get the brakes serviced regularly. My Titan could haul both my bikes, so yeah, it works fine for such duty. > I think I saw "soul" once, like in the Mustang, what with the rumbling, > poor sorted suspension and other quirks which people obviously mistake for > "soul" or something...but I don't know, some days I wish I could fall for > a motorcycle the way Larry fell for his RC45. Uhhh, you don't see "soul", you feel it, you hear it. BTW, what kind of music do you like? Oh yeah, today I talked to a fellow on a brand new KTM SuperDuke. He owned an F4i like mine previously. I think the KTM has soul, or at least a bad attitude. >> I think I saw "soul" once, like in the Mustang, what with the rumbling, >> poor sorted suspension and other quirks which people obviously mistake [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > Uhhh, you don't see "soul", you feel it, you hear it. BTW, what kind of > music do you like? CCR, George ThoroughGood(?) and a Johnny Cash collection were the last 3 CD's I purchased. > Oh yeah, today I talked to a fellow on a brand new KTM SuperDuke. He > owned an F4i like mine previously. I think the KTM has soul, or at least > a bad attitude. The entire "soul" comments have always driven me nuts. I mean seriously, Ducati's sound nice, but slap a set of pipes on a SuperHawk and holy bejesus does THAT sound nice as well. Most every vtwin I've ever heard sounds nice, pretending that only Italian ones have "soul" because of it strikes me as slightly weird and extremely hypocritical. > >> I think I saw "soul" once, like in the Mustang, what with the rumbling, > >> poor sorted suspension and other quirks which people obviously mistake [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] > pretending that only Italian ones have "soul" because of it strikes me as > slightly weird and extremely hypocritical. Oh, but it's not just Italian v-twins that have soul, Troy. The SuperHawk is a nice bike. So was the Honda Hawk 650GT. So was my VX800. So is an SV650 or an SV1000. Nice bikes, Troy. Hell, your GSX1100G is a nice bike. I like all those bikes, Troy. They're nice. A Toyota T100 was a nice truck. I had an S10, it was a nice truck, too. I liked my S10. I liked the T100. Nice trucks, those two. I'll bet your Titan is a nice truck, Troy. Lots of Harleys sound like el crapola to me. I hate the sound of 2- inch shotgun drag pipes, I purely do. I don't think of a Sportster 1200 with forward controls and 2-inch shotgun drag pipes as a nice bike. I'm sure there's someone out there who does, but I don't. I don't think a Sportster 1200 with 2-inch shotgun drag pipes has soul, but I think a Sportster 1200 with most of Storz performance's flat track replica performance bits on it has soul. But that's just me. Hey, here's a trick question. I had a 1967 Honda Super 90. I also had a 1978 Honda CM185T Twinstar. I liked both bikes. Both were nice bikes. One had soul. One didn't. Can you guess which one was which? >> The entire "soul" comments have always driven me nuts. I mean seriously, >> Ducati's sound nice, but slap a set of pipes on a SuperHawk and holy [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > > Oh, but it's not just Italian v-twins that have soul, Troy. I can believe it. A SuperHawk with pipes sounds as great as most any Ducati I've ever heard. > The SuperHawk is a nice bike. So was the Honda Hawk 650GT. So was my > VX800. So is an SV650 or an SV1000. Nice bikes, Troy. Hell, your > GSX1100G is a nice bike. I like all those bikes, Troy. They're > nice. A Toyota T100 was a nice truck. I had an S10, it was a nice > truck, too. I liked my S10. I liked the T100. Nice trucks, those > two. I'll bet your Titan is a nice truck, Troy. Tell me something I don't know? > Hey, here's a trick question. I had a 1967 Honda Super 90. I also > had a 1978 Honda CM185T Twinstar. I liked both bikes. Both were nice > bikes. One had soul. One didn't. Can you guess which one was which? I've ridden both, as a matter of fact. Didn't like either. And neither had soul. Does Larrys RC45 have soul? > >> The entire "soul" comments have always driven me nuts. I mean seriously, > >> Ducati's sound nice, but slap a set of pipes on a SuperHawk and holy [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > I can believe it. A SuperHawk with pipes sounds as great as most any Ducati > I've ever heard. Sounding nice does not make a bike have soul or prevent it from having soul. Personally, the best sounding big v-twins I've ever heard at the racetrack are, in order, the Britten, the Suzuki TL1000R, and any Ducati Superbike (748, 851, 888, 916, 955, 996, 998, 999, etc.) But I don't want a Suzuki TL1000R more than a Ducati, even though with the right exhaust system, they sound better to my ear. Likewise, I don't particularly like the sound of Harleys at all.... > > The SuperHawk is a nice bike. So was the Honda Hawk 650GT. So was my > > VX800. So is an SV650 or an SV1000. Nice bikes, Troy. Hell, your [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > Tell me something I don't know? Nice bikes and nice trucks don't necessarily have soul. Of course, they don't necessarily NOT have soul, either. But there's not a bike or a truck in the list above that moves me in any way other than transportation. > > Hey, here's a trick question. I had a 1967 Honda Super 90. I also > > had a 1978 Honda CM185T Twinstar. I liked both bikes. Both were nice > > bikes. One had soul. One didn't. Can you guess which one was which? > > I've ridden both, as a matter of fact. Didn't like either. And neither had > soul. Well, you're wrong there. > Does Larrys RC45 have soul? Oh, yeah. It's definitely got soul. But then, that doesn't mean that every Honda Interceptor had or has soul, either. >> > Oh, but it's not just Italian v-twins that have soul, Troy. >> [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > Sounding nice does not make a bike have soul or prevent it from having > soul. This is obvious, but nonstop jackass Hardley riders have for a long time pretended that open pipes with window shattering ability somehow makes their bike "special", which I assume is somehow similar to the "soul" which others claim certain bikes have. So its got to be related to noise in here somewhere doesn't it? >> > The SuperHawk is a nice bike. So was the Honda Hawk 650GT. So was my >> > VX800. So is an SV650 or an SV1000. Nice bikes, Troy. Hell, your [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > > Nice bikes and nice trucks don't necessarily have soul. This is quite obvious because I've always bought nice bikes and I haven't run into any of this "soul" stuff yet, but that FZR400, I dunno, maybe that had something special? >> > Hey, here's a trick question. I had a 1967 Honda Super 90. I also >> > had a 1978 Honda CM185T Twinstar. I liked both bikes. Both were nice [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > > Well, you're wrong there. Of course not. I simply view motorcycles in a different way than you do. And having ridden your two examples, I didn't really like either, but it was a long time ago, and perhaps my memory isn't what it used to be. And soul? No way. >> Does Larrys RC45 have soul? > > Oh, yeah. It's definitely got soul. But then, that doesn't mean that > every Honda Interceptor had or has soul, either. I see. How about a VMax? > >> > Oh, but it's not just Italian v-twins that have soul, Troy. > [quoted text clipped - 47 lines] > > I see. How about a VMax? I could make you a list, but sonce you aren't willing to accept my authority on the subject at hand, it would be pointless. But I will help you out one last time. You did own at least one bike that had soul. >> >> Does Larrys RC45 have soul? >> [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > help you out one last time. You did own at least one bike that had > soul. I don't accept your authority because your example of soul and non soul machines that I've actually ridden doesn't work for me. I've owned what I consider some "special" machines, machines which did what they did so well, and so easily that they were just amazing. And I've owned quite a few which were practical and reliable and did exactly what they were supposed to do in a regular sorta way. You tell me which of my bikes had soul, and then point me at a modern equivalent, preferably something Ducati/Aprilia/Ktm makes, and I'll try and get myself a testride this summer. Hell, if I can waste an afternoon trying out a Buell, I can do the same for some pretty Italian jobby. For some reason people really are talking up the SuperDuke, which I find insanely ugly, but am strangely attracted to for some reason. > >> >> Does Larrys RC45 have soul? > [quoted text clipped - 23 lines] > For some reason people really are talking up the SuperDuke, which I find > insanely ugly, but am strangely attracted to for some reason. It's pointless. You think a Honda Super 90 has no soul. Buy what you will, it makes no difference at all to me! >> You tell me which of my bikes had soul, and then point me at a modern >> equivalent, preferably something Ducati/Aprilia/Ktm makes, and I'll try [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > It's pointless. You think a Honda Super 90 has no soul. Buy what > you will, it makes no difference at all to me! I rode it. I was bored. Angels did not descend from heaven and sing, I did not wheelie off into stunna nirvana, I did not feel anything in particular beyond "gee....I wonder where the power went?". I rode it around an afternoon with a buddy and moved on. A few years later I got a crack at the Twinstar. No different. But that RD400...that was a much nicer machine. But still...soul? Well...it was nice...but soul? Dunno. > >> You tell me which of my bikes had soul, and then point me at a modern > >> equivalent, preferably something Ducati/Aprilia/Ktm makes, and I'll try [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > not wheelie off into stunna nirvana, I did not feel anything in particular > beyond "gee....I wonder where the power went?". Like I said. Pointless. > > It's pointless. You think a Honda Super 90 has no soul. Buy what > > you will, it makes no difference at all to me! > > I rode it. I was bored. Angels did not descend from heaven and sing Huh. You must've been doing something wrong. It was the angels in particular that whispered to me about the Super 90's soul. Maybe you should try again, on a quieter street! > The entire "soul" comments have always driven me nuts. I mean seriously, > Ducati's sound nice, but slap a set of pipes on a SuperHawk and holy bejesus > does THAT sound nice as well. Most every vtwin I've ever heard sounds nice, > pretending that only Italian ones have "soul" because of it strikes me as > slightly weird and extremely hypocritical. I maintain that one day I will buy a TLR with a pair of Yosh RS3s on it, if only to sit in the garage and listen to it. SignatureTweak >> The entire "soul" comments have always driven me nuts. I mean seriously, >> Ducati's sound nice, but slap a set of pipes on a SuperHawk and holy [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > I maintain that one day I will buy a TLR with a pair of Yosh RS3s on it, > if only to sit in the garage and listen to it. Makes sense to me...but does it having a nice noise mean it has "soul"? I heard a SuperHawk awhile back at the local race shop and the thing was awe inspiring in the noise it made, sounded just like alot of the Ducks when they slap whatever pipes are most popular on their rides. > In article <YMudnZDZq4ys6p3bnZ2dnUVZ_ompn...@giganews.com>, f4 > _...@hotmail.com says... [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > I maintain that one day I will buy a TLR with a pair of Yosh RS3s on it, > if only to sit in the garage and listen to it. Can I come over? I'll bring Coronas..... > >> Zookie's itsy bitsy vtwin really has Ducati owners scared, does it? I > >> didn't [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > 100% displacement advantage to make up for their deficiencies, but an EX500, > now THAT is a good bike. Well, you know everyone on EX500s are beating SV650s. Happens all the time, as the rider doesn't fit into the equation. Don't know what that says about the 999s I've smoked with the SV, but there it is. > > They're cheap, > > fast (in the right hands) readily available, and ubiquitous. They are [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > I thought sv650's qualified as the same type of thing? Or are they more > exciting because they are a V instead of just a "regular" twin? It's an "elite" thing. If you have to ask... SignatureTweak > In article <I6mdnfTNlbCOz2LYnZ2dnUVZ_hGdn...@giganews.com>, f4 > _...@hotmail.com says... [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] > time, as the rider doesn't fit into the equation. Don't know what that > says about the 999s I've smoked with the SV, but there it is. Precisely. Silly chaps who think that the rider has anything to do with track results. Bwa-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha etc. > > > They're cheap, > > > fast (in the right hands) readily available, and ubiquitous. They are [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > > It's an "elite" thing. If you have to ask... See? Someone else who 'gets' it! Bwa, etc. >> It's an "elite" thing. If you have to ask... > > See? Someone else who 'gets' it! Bwa, etc. See, why didn't you just come out and say that posing/status/elite/"I'm better than other vtwin riders because I paid more!" was a factor in what has "soul" and what doesn't? At least that concept makes sense and is generally obvious in the attitudes of most Duck riders I've ever sat down and talked to for awhile. Without matching yellow leathers and expensive pipes and high dollar maintenance issues every 3000 miles and an ability to pretend to be someone exotic they are probably just regular rider types, and the last few I actually ran into on the street appeared to be nearly as terrified of cornering with their expensive hardware as the hardley riders were incompetent. Admittedly, the Duck guys were much cooler looking, and definitely weren't trying to create parade type conditions and speeds, and I've definitely seen some at the track who knew the front end of the bike from the rear end, but some of them took regular track-hoe type bikes to the tracki instead of their expensive hardware...which strikes me as a smart move. And kinda defeats the entire "posing in a proper environment" attitude which they spend so much money reinforcing elsewhere. > Well, you know everyone on EX500s are beating SV650s. Happens all the > time, as the rider doesn't fit into the equation. Don't know what that > says about the 999s I've smoked with the SV, but there it is. Tim doesn't like to think about the flip side to his "I beat all sv650's on my bicycle!" chest thumping episodes. >> > They're cheap, >> > fast (in the right hands) readily available, and ubiquitous. They are [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] >> > It's an "elite" thing. If you have to ask... After Tims recent comments, I've been wondering if that is mixed in here. He rides expensive touring bikes and dumps all this silly money into them to collect a measly 100HP, he rides a pretty poser intensive Duck, talks about a bunch of stuff which can't be measured, seen, or heard as some excuse for WHY blowing such a load of money is okay, versus those of us on regular, run of the mill, as good or better than anyone elses vtwin type motorcycles. > > Well, you know everyone on EX500s are beating SV650s. Happens all the > > time, as the rider doesn't fit into the equation. Don't know what that > > says about the 999s I've smoked with the SV, but there it is. > > Tim doesn't like to think about the flip side to his "I beat all sv650's on > my bicycle!" chest thumping episodes. What are you talking about? That there are people on EX500s who can pbeat other people on SV650s and that there are people on SV650s that can beat other people on 999s? Right. I've never claimed anything other than that it's the bike, not the rider. A good bike will always provide a crappy rider with a way to beat a better rider. Heck, I could beat Rossi and Hayden any day of the week, if you just gave me a chance to ride a decent bike. Bwa-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha- ha-ha. I never beat a single fast guy on an SV650 while I was riding my EX500, and a lot of the medium fast guys were uncatchable, too. However, I still did beat LOTS of riders on SV650s that had 20-25 horsepower more than I did, and SOME of them were good riders. I didn't beat "all" SV650s, and I never claimed too. In fact, you can't find a single example of me ever claiming to beat a decent expert ranked club racer on an SV650, because I never made that claim. My EX500 in Lightweight Superbike trim was no match for a good SV650 in Lightweight SuperSport trim, which is why it was so rewarding to beat a bunch of guys on SV650s. The fact that there were other guys on SV650s who finished ahead of me was no problem, they SHOULD have finished in front of me. I don't think I ever won a single race with a well-ridden SV650 entered, but then again, I SHOULDN'T have. How's *that* for "chest thumping"? Sheesh. > >> > They're cheap, > >> > fast (in the right hands) readily available, and ubiquitous. They are [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > WHY blowing such a load of money is okay, versus those of us on regular, run > of the mill, as good or better than anyone elses vtwin type motorcycles. That's it, you've finally gotten it. I'm an elitist a.shole who has never had or enjoyed any motorcycle that didn't cost at least three times what it was worth. Ask anyone who knows me; you've got me pegged. And *that's* why I sold my Ducati 750SS racebike and bought and raced a second EX500. Bwa-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha!!!! You got me, Troy! >> After Tims recent comments, I've been wondering if that is mixed in here. >> He [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > times what it was worth. Ask anyone who knows me; you've got me > pegged. Don't you feel better now, having admitted it? Thats the start to curing it you know. >>> After Tims recent comments, I've been wondering if that is mixed in >>> here. He [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] > Don't you feel better now, having admitted it? Thats the start to curing > it you know. I think you missed the sarcasm again......... > I think you missed the sarcasm again......... Oh please, I just love it when I can accept some Tim-ism straight up. > > I think you missed the sarcasm again......... > > Oh please, I just love it when I can accept some Tim-ism straight up. Oh, all the Timism's you've ever gotten have been straight up. Keep bending over..... >> > I think you missed the sarcasm again......... >> >> Oh please, I just love it when I can accept some Tim-ism straight up. > > Oh, all the Timism's you've ever gotten have been straight up. Keep > bending over..... You and Krusty should get a room, considering the level of your curiousity. > >> > They're cheap, > >> > fast (in the right hands) readily available, and ubiquitous. They are [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > WHY blowing such a load of money is okay, versus those of us on regular, run > of the mill, as good or better than anyone elses vtwin type motorcycles. I have no idea. Rolex syndrome, I guess. SignatureTweak > I have no idea. Rolex syndrome, I guess. People buy Rolexes for different reasons. Troy blasting Tim for spending too much money on too little bike is no different than Bob blasting me for buying an R1 (two of them, actually). In Bob's eyes, the R1 was the embodiment of the squid mindset. I don't know that he actually ever acknowledged that the R1 was anything BUT a squid poser bike. Did I buy it because I'm a squid poser? Nope. But Bob thought so, at least for a while. He was utterly convinced for a long time. I think I may have convinced him otherwise over the years. So to anyone who says Tim shouldn't buy Ducati's and Harley's and whatever else he wants to buy, with the money HE earned, all I can say is shut the hell up. If you've got a functional higher brain, you should realize that it's impossible for you to know how Tim values those bikes. Your value system is not his. By the sounds of things, Tim's Monster S4Rs makes him smile with glee every time he rides it. How much is Tim's glee worth to Troy? Not much, probably. How much is it worth to Tim, though? Could be priceless. Should be, I think. SignatureJamin "I don't want a pickle..." -- Posted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com > > I have no idea. Rolex syndrome, I guess. > [quoted text clipped - 19 lines] > time he rides it. How much is Tim's glee worth to Troy? Not much, probably. > How much is it worth to Tim, though? Could be priceless. Should be, I think. ROTFLMAO. Get the net, Troy. I got a good 'un. SignatureTweak > ROTFLMAO. > > Get the net, Troy. I got a good 'un. I know, I know... I go for that bait every freakin' time. Call me naïve, but I actually take what people say at face value, rather than assume they're just trying to lure someone in. If you say something, I'll think you mean it. Plus I get really damn bored watching all you girls whining about who's prom dress is prettier. No offense meant to the ACTUAL girls who may be reading this. I don't see any of them whining. They just talk about which track bike to get. SignatureJamin "I don't want a pickle..." -- Posted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com >> ROTFLMAO. >> [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > No offense meant to the ACTUAL girls who may be reading this. I don't see > any of them whining. They just talk about which track bike to get. LOL! My wife always asks... "What are you arguing about NOW?!" when I'm on here :) > I know, I know... I go for that bait every freakin' time. > > Call me naïve, but I actually take what people say at face value, rather > than assume they're just trying to lure someone in. If you say something, > I'll think you mean it. H'mmmmm. And yet, your response was succinct and accurate. I'm trying to think of who told me my motorcycle choices were all wrong for me back when I was riding my VX800, or my ST1100, my T509, my CM400E, or my LS650 around. Um, .... no one? Hey, maybe it's just that certain brands bring out the worst in people! And you're absolutely right about the glee factor. I'm pleased any time anyone has fun on a motorcycle and helps spread that feeling, and I simply don't give a single damn what bike they have fun on. > H'mmmmm. And yet, your response was succinct and accurate. Who woulda thunk it? > I'm trying to think of who told me my motorcycle choices were all wrong for me > back when I was riding my VX800, or my ST1100, my T509, my CM400E, or my LS650 > around. Um, .... no one? Hey, maybe it's just that certain brands bring > out the worst in people! I think it's more that certain people let their worst be brought out. > And you're absolutely right about the glee factor. > > I'm pleased any time anyone has fun on a motorcycle and helps spread that > feeling, and I simply don't give a single damn what bike they have fun on. Better living through endorphin release. Good idea. SignatureJamin "I don't want a pickle..." -- Posted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com > > ROTFLMAO. > > [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > than assume they're just trying to lure someone in. If you say something, > I'll think you mean it. That's the fun (or hazard) of online communication...you don't get to see the smile in my eyes while I'm typing like you would in person. > Plus I get really damn bored watching all you girls whining about who's prom > dress is prettier. > > No offense meant to the ACTUAL girls who may be reading this. I don't see > any of them whining. They just talk about which track bike to get. Sorry, sorry. I get bored with the continual truck/bike/gear bash sometimes. FWIW, my prom dress is bug splatter on spray paint. SignatureTweak > That's the fun (or hazard) of online communication...you don't get to > see the smile in my eyes while I'm typing like you would in person. Gotcha. Sometimes people use smiley faces when they're kidding or being smartasses. ;) I wasn't picking on you, anyway. I was mostly addressing Troy for heckling Tim. > Sorry, sorry. I get bored with the continual truck/bike/gear bash > sometimes. Me too! Not to mention the long-winded political rants. > FWIW, my prom dress is bug splatter on spray paint. I love it. My favorite color! It's so YOU! SignatureJamin "I don't want a pickle..." -- Posted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com > Plus I get really damn bored watching all you girls whining about who's > prom > dress is prettier. Apparently Tims is. But it cost too much. And has "soul". I think. >> I have no idea. Rolex syndrome, I guess. > [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > that he actually ever acknowledged that the R1 was anything BUT a squid > poser bike. I know exactly what it is. Tim spews out VALUE every time he opens his mouth about his Chevy or his daughters Taurus, and the instant its motorcycles he becomes a brand bigot as bad as anything I have been accused of, and to HECK with value because it doesn't have "soul". As long as it costs 3X what its worth...etc etc. An interesting, and quite hypocritical, switcharoo. > So to anyone who says Tim shouldn't buy Ducati's and Harley's and whatever > else he wants to buy, with the money HE earned, all I can say is shut the > hell up. I never said Tim shouldn't be a brand bigot and buy something else, the question seemed to start out on what has "soul", and Tweak made the observation on "Rolex Syndrome", which I believe I understand, and have seen pieces of among Duck riders here in Colorado, so there is a ring of true mixed in here. > If you've got a functional higher brain, you should realize that > it's impossible for you to know how Tim values those bikes. Your value > system is not his. Thats the truth. Good thing I don't tell him what to buy then... > I know exactly what it is. Tim spews out VALUE every time he opens his mouth > about his Chevy or his daughters Taurus, and the instant its motorcycles he [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > An interesting, and quite hypocritical, switcharoo. It's not hypocritical at all if he values "soul", and is able to define it as he sees fit. It would be hypocritical if he were to blast someone else for buying an overpriced Ducati then turn around and buy the same thing for himself. Either hypocritical or a change of heart, anyway. SignatureJamin "I don't want a pickle..." -- Posted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com >> An interesting, and quite hypocritical, switcharoo. > > It's not hypocritical at all if he values "soul", and is able to define it > as he sees fit. We all define it as we see fit, which makes the definition of ANYTHING somewhat problematic. So, I can claim my sv650 has soul for the same reasons Tim declares his Duck has soul, except I get the points on value because of what his cost. I win again! > >> An interesting, and quite hypocritical, switcharoo. > [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > Tim declares his Duck has soul, except I get the points on value because of > what his cost. I win again! Your SV does have soul. It's just a two knee transplant away from being a real motorcycle. > he rides a pretty poser intensive Duck See, that just sounds like whining to me. Yeah, my Monster is "poser intensive." Heh. Oh yeah, and don't forget, it wasn't a good "value," either. Heh-heh. > Yeah, my Monster is "poser > intensive." > > Heh. > > Oh yeah, and don't forget, it wasn't a good "value," either. This we know. But I imagine the poser factor is...priceless? Ugly as sin though, can't they make it better looking? > > Yeah, my Monster is "poser > > intensive." [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > This we know. But I imagine the poser factor is...priceless? Spoken like a man who has never wrung out a Duc. Every future jap ride will make you feel so antiseptic. > Ugly as sin though, can't they make it better looking? Yes, they make one without the radiator and associated tube maze. >> > Yeah, my Monster is "poser >> > intensive." [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > Spoken like a man who has never wrung out a Duc. Every future jap > ride will make you feel so antiseptic. Can I borrow yours this summer? I'll be heading west fast on I-70 sometime in June. > >> > Yeah, my Monster is "poser > >> > intensive." [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > Can I borrow yours this summer? I'll be heading west fast on I-70 sometime > in June. My antiseptic Yammi? Then what the hell do I get to ride? >> > Spoken like a man who has never wrung out a Duc. Every future jap >> > ride will make you feel so antiseptic. [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > My antiseptic Yammi? Then what the hell do I get to ride? I don't want your soulless Yammi, I wanna ride a Duck. If you don't have one then forget it, you aren't worth talking to, what with the innately superior qualities owning such a machine obviously bestows apon its rider. Without it, you are just another soulless rider of fine japanese machinery. > I don't want your soulless Yammi, I wanna ride a Duck. If you don't have one > then forget it, you aren't worth talking to, what with the innately superior > qualities owning such a machine obviously bestows apon its rider. Without > it, you are just another soulless rider of boring japanese appliances. My work here is done.... > So, I took my S4Rs (998cc 4v liquid-cooled testastretta-engined > Monster w/ Ohlins shock and fork & Brembo radial-mount calipers) out [quoted text clipped - 27 lines] > > Whaddya think? Those #s are pretty close to Buell XB12s, if that's taken at as RWHP. You like your HD, go try out a Buell :) But, I have to agree, there is nothing like that Duc sound :) > tomor...@erols.com wrote: > > So, I took my S4Rs (998cc 4v liquid-cooled testastretta-engined [quoted text clipped - 32 lines] > > You like your HD, go try out a Buell :) I've ridden quite a few Buells, and they're fun, but ultimately I don't care for the off-idle torque avalanche, low-redline, run-out-of- steam at the top power delivery. I also don't like the nothing- nothing-nothing-nothing-everything power delivery of Japanese 600s, which is kind of what led me to becoming hooked on Triumph FI triples and Ducati twins. Rheostat-like, linear power delivery, with lots of torque coming out of corners, and plenty of power on the top end, too. That said, I've ridden enough superbikes on the track and on the road to know that I simply don't covet one as a trackday (or race) weapon. Not my cup of tea, is all. My former race partner simply can't get enough power, and is currently scheming to replace his race-spec 916 with a new 1098S, as soon as he can. I look at the 1098 and the 992 (SS1000) and for me, there's no comparison. I want the lower powered bike.... but can I please have the 1098S's suspenders and brakes? Thank-you very much! Tim > Rheostat-like, linear power delivery, with lots of > torque coming out of corners, and plenty of power on the top end, too. Sounds like we're talking about sv650's again! With value thrown in as well!! > > Rheostat-like, linear power delivery, with lots of > > torque coming out of corners, and plenty of power on the top end, too. > > Sounds like we're talking about sv650's again! With value thrown in as > well!! Heh. Value. I can get a brand new SS1000 DS for $7k. Now *that's* value. H'mmmm. Which SV650 comes with 85 hp, Ohlins shock, and Brembo brakes for $7k brand new? >> > Rheostat-like, linear power delivery, with lots of >> > torque coming out of corners, and plenty of power on the top end, too. [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > Heh. Value. I can get a brand new SS1000 DS for $7k. Now *that's* > value. Could be. I'm a big fan of discounts as much as the next guy. What is a SS1000 DS? A Duck of some sort? > H'mmmm. Which SV650 comes with 85 hp, Ohlins shock, and Brembo brakes > for $7k brand new? This sounds good. Are they are reliable as the average sv650? Do they vibrate badly, or in such a way as to resemble the Dl1000 or somesuch which I didn't like? > <tomor...@erols.com> wrote in message > [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > Could be. I'm a big fan of discounts as much as the next guy. What is a > SS1000 DS? A Duck of some sort? Yeah, it's the replacement for the 900SS. A 992cc Dual Spark Super Sport. > > H'mmmm. Which SV650 comes with 85 hp, Ohlins shock, and Brembo brakes > > for $7k brand new? > > This sounds good. Are they are reliable as the average sv650? Do they > vibrate badly, or in such a way as to resemble the Dl1000 or somesuch which > I didn't like? I have no idea. >> > Heh. Value. I can get a brand new SS1000 DS for $7k. Now *that's* >> > value. [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > Yeah, it's the replacement for the 900SS. A 992cc Dual Spark Super > Sport. I just went here... http://www.faymyers.com/new_vehicle_list.asp?Category=1&CatDesc=Motorcycles&Desc =&sid=7290286E-02X3K20K2007J10I03I40JPMQ2074R0&ModelYear=2007&Manufacturer=9&Dis pType=0 and couldn't find it. Is it a leftover type model? >> > H'mmmm. Which SV650 comes with 85 hp, Ohlins shock, and Brembo brakes >> > for $7k brand new? [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > > I have no idea. Have you ridden one, or are you just recommending the cheapest Ducati you can find in some hope of it not looking ridiculously expensive when compared to japanese machines of reasonably similar specs? >>> > Heh. Value. I can get a brand new SS1000 DS for $7k. Now *that's* >>> > value. [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > > and couldn't find it. Is it a leftover type model? WTF? $72000? http://www.faymyers.com/new_vehicle_detail.asp?sid=7290286E-02X3K20K2007J10I03I4 0JPMQ2074R0&veh=42993&CatDesc=Motorcycles Where the hell do shop Troy? > >>> > Heh. Value. I can get a brand new SS1000 DS for $7k. Now *that's* > >>> > value. [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > > WTF? $72000? > http://www.faymyers.com/new_vehicle_detail.asp?sid=7290286E-02X3K20K2... > > Where the hell do shop Troy? Hey, if he buys a desmosedici, he might actually find out wtf motorcycle soul IS !!! >> I just went here... >> [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > > Where the hell do shop Troy? The same place which has a few SuperDukes sitting around which are apparently hard to find elsewhere. Its quite a decent sized shop, but I'm not particularly enamored with it. Too sterile, but they do have a decent selection. > >> > Heh. Value. I can get a brand new SS1000 DS for $7k. Now *that's* > >> > value. [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > > and couldn't find it. Is it a leftover type model? Sure looks like it. Introduced in 2003, in 620, 800, and 1000 version, discontinued in the U.S. except for the 800cc version last year, discontinued in the U.S. entirely this model year. http://www.sportrider.com/bikes/2003/146_03_ducati_supersport_models/ http://www.sportrider.com/bikes/146_0312_buell_xb12r_ducati_ss1000/index.html http://onewheeldrive.net/index.php?option=content&task=view&id=405&Itemid=126 http://www.ducati.com/bikes/my2006/popup_tech_spec.jhtml?modelName=SS1000DS-06 > >> > H'mmmm. Which SV650 comes with 85 hp, Ohlins shock, and Brembo brakes > >> > for $7k brand new? [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > > Have you ridden one, I've ridden them. You asked me if it was as reliable as the average SV650. I have no idea how reliable an SS1000 DS would be. I have no idea how reliable the average SV650 is. So, I have no idea. Yo asked me if they virate badly or in such a way as to resemble the Dl1000 or somesuch which you didn't like. I've never ridden a Dl1000, so I have no idea what your point of comparison is. I could relate that my experience is that they don't vibrate at all in any way that I find objectionable, that I've been riding Ducati 90-degree V-twin motorcycles since 1986 when I bought my 1973 Ducati 750GT, and that they've all been exceptionaly smooth and practically vibration free, but I don't think you'd believe me, or you would discount my experience and tell me that you've ridden Ducatis and that you know they vibrate, so what would be the point? As I said, I have no idea. > or are you just recommending the cheapest Ducati you > can find in some hope of it not looking ridiculously expensive when compared > to japanese machines of reasonably similar specs? I'm not recommending the Ducati to anyone at all. I don't care if anyone buys one or not. I don't care if other people believe that an SV650 is a better motorcycle, or a better buy, or a better value, or anything. If they want one, they can buy one. If they don't, they don't have to. I'M considering buying one. I know why I want one, and I am comparing it NOT to an SV650, but to MY S4Rs as a track bike. If someone wants ME to consider an SV650 for MYSELF instead of a SS1000 DS, I'll certainly list MY reasons for preferring the Ducati, and for not even CONSIDERING the SV650. Obviously, other people not only consider the SV650, they PREFER the SV650. I couldn't possibly care less. I've ridden SV650s, I don't like SV650s and I don't want an SV650. I've never said that an SV650 wasn't a good bike, to the contrary, I think it's a perfectly fine motorcycle. There are LOTS of perfectly fine motorcycles out there that I don't like or want. As far as "ridiculously expensive," I buy what I want, at the price that I find palatable, or I don't buy it at all. Again, I couldn't possibly care less if someone else buys themself a motorcycle that has better numbers for less money. If I liked that bike better, I'd probably buy it, too. Nothing like getting what you like for less than the cost of something else that you don't like! Personally, I think the Ducati SS1000DS is a bargain at the price that I can get it. I'm just not sure that I want to spend ANY money on a track bike right now, having just bought a 2006 Harley, a 2006 Chevy, and a 2007 Ducati. Buying another brand new vehicle, making it my fourth in 18 months, seems a bit excessive even for me. But, I still might do it. >> and couldn't find it. Is it a leftover type model? > [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > http://www.sportrider.com/bikes/2003/146_03_ducati_supersport_models/ I see. Much better looking than those Monster things, but still pretty much on the ugly side of the spectrum. >. I could relate > that my experience is that they don't vibrate at all in any way that I [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > experience and tell me that you've ridden Ducatis and that you know > they vibrate, so what would be the point? As I said, I have no idea. I only discount what you say when you make no sense or spew obvious falsehoods just for fun. With vibration though, I think I am weirdly particularly in how my hands react to it, and no, I haven't ridden Ducati's before, so no, I don't know how they vibrate, but saddle seems to think his is pretty smooth. I should probably get a test ride on his next one, that would help solve some of this. > Personally, I think the Ducati SS1000DS is a bargain at the price that > I can get it. I'm just not sure that I want to spend ANY money on a [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > But, I still might do it. Life is short. Enjoy. >>> Rheostat-like, linear power delivery, with lots of >>> torque coming out of corners, and plenty of power on the top end, too. [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > H'mmmm. Which SV650 comes with 85 hp, Ohlins shock, and Brembo brakes > for $7k brand new? If you can get a brand new SS1000 DS for $7K, why isn't it in your garage yet? :) > If you can get a brand new SS1000 DS for $7K, why isn't it in your > garage yet? :) Mainly because I've just bought a new Harley, a new Chevy, a new Ducati, and a custom Ducati 916 street tracker showbike (that is currently in a thousand pieces in my garage) all in the past 18 months and I'm kind of afraid to bring the subject up wih mny loving spouse. She is (obviously) a very patient woman, but I'm pretty sure there are limits to her patience, and I'm not sure I want to bump up against them! Tim P.S. I spoke to my longtime Ducati dealer and mechanic about this particular bike, and he told me to snap it up immediately. >I also don't like the nothing- > nothing-nothing-nothing-everything power delivery of Japanese 600s, > which is kind of what led me to becoming hooked on Triumph FI triples > and Ducati twins. Rheostat-like, linear power delivery, with lots of > torque coming out of corners, and plenty of power on the top end, too. I was going to say you hurt my feelings by dissin' the 600s, but then I remember pulling out of work today and getting on the gas of the F4i as I whipped through the golf course and realized that the accelleration no longer really gives me that "Wow" feeling. Someday those campus cops are going to catch me. > <tomor...@erols.com> wrote in message > [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > > Someday those campus cops are going to catch me. Well, I did point out that the 600s do have a power delivery that ends up giving you "everything." Watch out for those cops! >> tomor...@erols.com wrote: >>> So, I took my S4Rs (998cc 4v liquid-cooled testastretta-engined [quoted text clipped - 34 lines] > which is kind of what led me to becoming hooked on Triumph FI triples > and Ducati twins. In that case, have you tried the Triumph 675? > In that case, have you tried the Triumph 675? I haven't, for two reasons. Lack of torque and cost. But I ought to wangle a ride on one. H'mmmmmmm. >> tomor...@erols.com wrote: >>> So, I took my S4Rs (998cc 4v liquid-cooled testastretta-engined [quoted text clipped - 31 lines] > don't care for the off-idle torque avalanche, low-redline, run-out-of- > steam at the top power delivery. So, with all this talk about "soul". Do you think the Buells have soul? I know my answer... I'm picking up my 7th one this evening :) > tomor...@erols.com wrote: > >> tomor...@erols.com wrote: [quoted text clipped - 36 lines] > I know my answer... > I'm picking up my 7th one this evening :)- Well, I'm not sure about the Blast.... The Cyclone M2 that I rode years ago oozed soul. Luckily, that was the only thing it oozed! >> tomor...@erols.com wrote: >>>> tomor...@erols.com wrote: [quoted text clipped - 35 lines] > > Well, I'm not sure about the Blast.... Yeah, the blast, while an EXCELLENT starter bike(my wife started on one), doesn't really have much, if any soul. Even with a V&H pipe it also sounded like crap. But it was cheap. Bought it for $1800 with under 3K on it. > The Cyclone M2 that I rode years ago oozed soul. Luckily, that was > the only thing it oozed! And I think the older "tube frame" Buells have more character than the newer XBs. But the newer XBs are so much more refined. I couldn't resist buying another :) But I'm still keeping my '98 S3T, and the '06 iBuell(the wife's current bike). > I have the opportunity to acquire a late model Ducati SS1000 dualspark > model with the Ohlins rear shock, fully adjustable Showa front fork, [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > > Whaddya think? I think if your efforts have put you in a position to do cool stuff like that, why the hell not? Reassembler On Mar 19, 4:53 pm, "tomor...@erols.com" <tomor...@erols.com> wrote: > I have the opportunity to acquire a late model Ducati SS1000 dualspark > model with the Ohlins rear shock, fully adjustable Showa front fork, > about 80-85 hp (my 750SS in race trim made 72 hp) and about 70 ft-lbs > of torque. Seems to me that this would be a great trackday bike. I'll find out later this spring; I just bought the bike. Road trip to Ohio next week to pick it up. > I'll find out later this spring; I just bought the bike. Road trip > to Ohio next week to pick it up. Congrats on the new bike, Tim. SignatureJamin "I don't want a pickle..." -- Posted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com > On 3/22/07 5:10 PM, "tomor...@erols.com" wrote: > > > I'll find out later this spring; I just bought the bike. Road trip > > to Ohio next week to pick it up. > > Congrats on the new bike, Tim. Thanks. George is already pressing me to sign up for a track day at VIR April 9. The bastard. ;-) > On Mar 19, 4:53 pm, "tomor...@erols.com" <tomor...@erols.com> wrote: > [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > I'll find out later this spring; I just bought the bike. Road trip > to Ohio next week to pick it up. CONGRATS! What took ya so long? :) > tomor...@erols.com wrote: > > On Mar 19, 4:53 pm, "tomor...@ero |
Enable EMail Alerts
Start New Thread
Reply to this Message