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Motorcycle Forum / General / Sportbikes / March 2007Why aren't the deer lovers going to jail?
http://www.620wtmj.com/_content/news/story_7187.asp  SignatureAndrew 00 Daytona 00 Speed Triple 71 Kawi H1 05 Infant > http://www.620wtmj.com/_content/news/story_7187.asp Don't be surprised if this individual is "rehabilitated" and released, and eventually decides he'd like to try having sex with a dead human. He'd probably start with children or the elderly, since they'd be easier victims in most cases. Or maybe just a fresh corpse, if he were able to gain access to one. Kurt, this is a case where I think shooting is appropriate. Or hanging. Or stoning. We like to think that everything's fixable, but some people are just messed up and can't be fixed. SignatureJamin "I don't want a pickle..." -- Posted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com >> http://www.620wtmj.com/_content/news/story_7187.asp > [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] >stoning. We like to think that everything's fixable, but some people are >just messed up and can't be fixed. This is the guys SECOND conviction for it. Gee, does that indicate a trend ? Then again, there's that guy who was being taken to court from jail in handcuffs in Georgia for ( I forget ), he grabbed a deputy's gun, killed the Judge, 2 cops, and the court reporter, and so far the Public Defender's office has spent 1.4 MILLION dollars defending him , and the trial is on hold because they say they need more money for it. I'd volunteer to pay for, and personally deliver, 25 cents worth of lead .... and that's just for the PD who wants more money. SignatureClick here every day to feed an animal that needs you today !!! http://www.theanimalrescuesite.com/ Paul ( pjm @ pobox . com ) - remove spaces to email me 'Some days, it's just not worth chewing through the restraints.' 'With sufficient thrust, pigs fly just fine.' HVAC/R program for Palm PDA's Free demo now available online http://pmilligan.net/palm/ >> http://www.620wtmj.com/_content/news/story_7187.asp > [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > stoning. We like to think that everything's fixable, but some people are > just messed up and can't be fixed. Jumping to conclusions here? Whats the bit that deserves the death penalty?......the killing of the animal (aren't deer pests that need to be destroyed for the sake of keeping them off the road to save motorcyclists lives)?........or the 'sex' part?.....or your wild fantasy situation (which you seem to have thought out in detail)? Are you an Islamic fundamentalist or something......... > Jumping to conclusions here? Which conclusions did I jump to? > Whats the bit that deserves the death penalty? The bit where he's killing and then f.cking large mammals, and is therefore not someone who belongs in polite society. And he's done it more than once, which means getting in trouble the first time didn't teach him much. I.e. he can't make himself not want to do it again. He will continue if given the chance. How soon before the mammal he chooses is a person? Are you willing to bet THAT person's life on your guess that this guy will ONLY kill forest and farm animals? Would you want him to live down the road from your family? Why not? I'll say it again: some people are broken and can't be fixed. Do you disagree? > ......the killing of the > animal (aren't deer pests that need to be destroyed for the sake of > keeping them off the road to save motorcyclists lives)?........or the > 'sex' part?.....or your wild fantasy situation (which you seem to have > thought out in detail)? What fantasy is that? You lost me. I don't care if he kills 10,000 deer. Just don't kill them to f.ck the corpses. > Are you an Islamic fundamentalist or something......... Nope. Just a normal dude who doesn't kindly accept dangerously deviant behavior. He deserves a fair trial, of course, everyone deserves that. But once that's done, if he's indeed as guilty of these crimes as it appears, then he needs to be removed from society forever. That's either lockup or death, and frankly I think lockup is the more cruel of the two. What would you suggest for this guy, assuming he's guilty as charged? Counseling? Do you honestly think it would work? Somehow the therapist would give him "tools" to help him control his kill-a-mammal-and-f.ck-it urges? I'm sure there's a niche group of behavioral therapists out there who specialize in murderous, sexual animal fetishes. SignatureJamin "I don't want a pickle..." -- Posted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com >> Jumping to conclusions here? >> > Which conclusions did I jump to? This one....... "eventually decides he'd like to try having sex with a dead human. He'd probably start with children or the elderly, since they'd be easier victims in most cases. Or maybe just a fresh corpse, if he were able to gain access to one." >> Whats the bit that deserves the death penalty? >> > The bit where he's killing and then f.cking large mammals, Killing a deer/horse, then f.cking it, doesn't deserve the death penalty. > and is therefore > not someone who belongs in polite society. Which is why he's doing it in the bush. > And he's done it more than once, > which means getting in trouble the first time didn't teach him much. Except his sexual bend is f.cking dead animals....instead of S&M, homsexuality or any number of other fetishes. > I.e. he > can't make himself not want to do it again. He will continue if given the > chance. Just as anyone with a fetish will do. > How soon before the mammal he chooses is a person? If his kink is dead animals, why would he change to humans?. Thats like assuming a homosexual will go for children. > Are you willing > to bet THAT person's life on your guess that this guy will ONLY kill forest > and farm animals? So you want the death penalty for the off chance that he may harm someone later on. You might as well condemn the whole population to death if thats your case. > Would you want him to live down the road from your family? Why not? > Why not? Indeed. > I'll say it again: some people are broken and can't be fixed. Do you > disagree? I'd consider him bent, not broken. Just because they are different, doesn't mean they should be killed. You want to kill handicapped people? >> ......the killing of the >> animal (aren't deer pests that need to be destroyed for the sake of [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] >> > What fantasy is that? You lost me. The wild speculation that....... "He'd probably start with children or the elderly, since they'd be easier victims in most cases. Or maybe just a fresh corpse, if he were able to gain access to one." > I don't care if he kills 10,000 deer. Just don't kill them to f.ck the > corpses. Does it really matter that much.....some guy humping a dead deer in the bush? >> Are you an Islamic fundamentalist or something......... >> > Nope. Just a normal dude who doesn't kindly accept dangerously deviant > behavior. Ok, it's deviant, but whats dangerous about it? > He deserves a fair trial, of course, everyone deserves that. But > once that's done, if he's indeed as guilty of these crimes as it appears, > then he needs to be removed from society forever. That's either lockup or > death, and frankly I think lockup is the more cruel of the two. Massive over-reaction here.....death penalty for being deviant!...now thats deviant. He hasn't hurt anyone. Do you have the death penalty for rapists?.....for robbers?......for muggers?....all crimes that involve hurting some one. Oh, thats right, you want him dead 'in case' he doses something to someone in 'what if' land. > What would you suggest for this guy, assuming he's guilty as charged? > Counseling? Do you honestly think it would work? Somehow the therapist would > give him "tools" to help him control his kill-a-mammal-and-f.ck-it urges? > I'm sure there's a niche group of behavioral therapists out there who > specialize in murderous, sexual animal fetishes. Give him a job out in the backwoods, culling deer of course. He wants to kill animals, give him the chance until he's sick of it. Why try to 'control' an urge when it can be put to good use? >> Which conclusions did I jump to? >> [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > victims in most cases. Or maybe just a fresh corpse, if he were able to > gain access to one." I was speculating. That's the use of the conditional future tense there, with words like "if", "were", "would". Still, I think the likelihood of escalation is high. Most killers start by hurting lower animals before they graduate to people. >>> Whats the bit that deserves the death penalty? >>> >> The bit where he's killing and then f.cking large mammals, > > Killing a deer/horse, then f.cking it, doesn't deserve the death penalty. What does such behavior deserve? Respect? >> and is therefore >> not someone who belongs in polite society. > > Which is why he's doing it in the bush. Someone caught him. If he's out in the bush, he's not far enough out there to avoid contact. >> And he's done it more than once, >> which means getting in trouble the first time didn't teach him much. > > Except his sexual bend is f.cking dead animals....instead of S&M, > homsexuality or any number of other fetishes. Sounds like his thing is killing THEN f.cking the dead animal. I don't see how S&M or homosexuality are at all similar, since both involve only consenting adults and involve no killing of the sexual partner. >> I.e. he >> can't make himself not want to do it again. He will continue if given the >> chance. > > Just as anyone with a fetish will do. Yep. His "fetish" is way more twisted than most. Don't forget the killing part. Does he kill them only to be able to have sex with them, as a means to an end, or is the killing itself significant? >> How soon before the mammal he chooses is a person? > > If his kink is dead animals, why would he change to humans?. Thats like > assuming a homosexual will go for children. Is a deer different than a horse? He switched species once, he could do it again. This is where psych evaluation is key to find out (if possible) whether his thing is specifically limited to furry quadrupeds that are dead, and whether the killing is significant to him. >> Are you willing >> to bet THAT person's life on your guess that this guy will ONLY kill forest [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > someone later on. You might as well condemn the whole population to > death if thats your case. Is the whole population killing forest creatures and having sex with the fresh corpses? No. Most people only have sex with willing adult partners. And killing generally isn't part of the act. Implying this dude is just like everyone else is totally nuts. Yeah, there are some cracked people out there. Sometimes they're harmless. This one doesn't seem to be. >> Would you want him to live down the road from your family? > > Why not? Seriously? That's messed up. >> I'll say it again: some people are broken and can't be fixed. Do you >> disagree? > > I'd consider him bent, not broken. Just because they are different, > doesn't mean they should be killed. > You want to kill handicapped people? Oh, okay. Is "different" the word for this guy? Really? That's the word you'd use? "Different"? I guess you've seen a lot crazier sh.t than I have, because what I see is a likely future murderer/rapist, not just someone who's a little "different". Benignly different is the guy who obsesses about Star Trek and wears vulcan ears to parties. Dangerously different is more along the lines of killing and having sex with large animals. Yeah, there's a gray area somewhere in between benign and dangerous, but this case doesn't seem very gray to me. >> I don't care if he kills 10,000 deer. Just don't kill them to f.ck the >> corpses. > > Does it really matter that much.....some guy humping a dead deer in the > bush? Well, maybe not in your way of thinking, but I think it SHOULD matter. Some things shouldn't matter, like who we choose to have consensual sex with, but this definitely SHOULD. I wouldn't respect a society where it didn't matter. >>> Are you an Islamic fundamentalist or something......... >>> >> Nope. Just a normal dude who doesn't kindly accept dangerously deviant >> behavior. > > Ok, it's deviant, but whats dangerous about it? Call me suspicious, but for some reason I just can't trust a guy who kills horses and deer and whatever else then f.cks the fresh corpses. >> He deserves a fair trial, of course, everyone deserves that. But >> once that's done, if he's indeed as guilty of these crimes as it appears, [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > He hasn't hurt anyone. Do you have the death penalty for > rapists?..... We should. For damn sure we should. We should let a pack of pissed off women tear them limb from limb. > for robbers?......for muggers?....all crimes that involve > hurting some one. If the crime involves serious and irreparable bodily or psychological damage to your victim, then yes, death is an appropriate punishment. Do you think people would commit robbery or muggings if they knew they could be executed for it? > Oh, thats right, you want him dead 'in case' he doses something to > someone in 'what if' land. Yes, I'm way off-base thinking the guy who kills horses and deer and has sex with the corpses is any threat to society. It's not my fault. My mom yelled at me when I was a kid. It made me mean sometimes. >> What would you suggest for this guy, assuming he's guilty as charged? >> Counseling? Do you honestly think it would work? Somehow the therapist would [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > kill animals, give him the chance until he's sick of it. Why try to > 'control' an urge when it can be put to good use? So cast him out from society where he can't hurt anyone? Not a bad idea. Can we put a big cage around him? Or maybe chain him up? Or how about a shock collar with an electric fence? I don't like the idea of reward his sick behavior, though. If a different guy got busted strangling kittens, would you give him a job at an animal shelter and put him charge of euthanizing animals? That sounds like grotesquely twisted "justice". There are better ways to cull deer, besides. This guy would be horrible at it, since he'd have to get it on with the corpses. That's maybe 1 deer a day, 2 max. SignatureJamin "I don't want a pickle..." -- Posted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com >>> Which conclusions did I jump to? >>> [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > escalation is high. Most killers start by hurting lower animals before they > graduate to people. Speculating just adds fuel to the fire....As if it's not bad enough getting caught f.cking an animal you killed, now youv'e thrown children and the elderly into the mix for good measure to demonise him further. And he wasn't 'hurting' the animals, as in torture. >>>> Whats the bit that deserves the death penalty? >>>> >>> The bit where he's killing and then f.cking large mammals, >> Killing a deer/horse, then f.cking it, doesn't deserve the death penalty. >> > What does such behavior deserve? Respect? Not at all....but it doesn't deserve stoning to death either. >>> and is therefore >>> not someone who belongs in polite society. >> Which is why he's doing it in the bush. >> > Someone caught him. If he's out in the bush, he's not far enough out there > to avoid contact. Fair enough. But look at other horror's that go in 'polite society' to put it in context. >>> And he's done it more than once, >>> which means getting in trouble the first time didn't teach him much. [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > how S&M or homosexuality are at all similar, since both involve only > consenting adults and involve no killing of the sexual partner. True. I'd rate a dead deer f.cker higher than a pedophile or rapist. >>> I.e. he >>> can't make himself not want to do it again. He will continue if given the [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > part. Does he kill them only to be able to have sex with them, as a means to > an end, or is the killing itself significant? I'd say it was a means to an end. It's not something you would ponder on every day, but think of a horse or deer, now think how you would have sex with them if they were alive......difficult, to say the least. >>> How soon before the mammal he chooses is a person? >> If his kink is dead animals, why would he change to humans?. Thats like >> assuming a homosexual will go for children. >> > Is a deer different than a horse? Closer to each other than to a human....... > He switched species once, he could do it > again. This is where psych evaluation is key to find out (if possible) > whether his thing is specifically limited to furry quadrupeds that are dead, > and whether the killing is significant to him. I enjoy killing animals, but I'm no murderer of humans. there should definately be some psych evaluation. It would be a bizzare meeting to be a fly on the wall. They guy is only 20....he got busted at 18.....I wonder if he's ever had a woman? >>> Are you willing >>> to bet THAT person's life on your guess that this guy will ONLY kill forest [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > Is the whole population killing forest creatures and having sex with the > fresh corpses? No. Is it only people who kill forest creatures and have sex with them that commit murders? No. But the whole population 'could' become murderers. We all have that potential, just different reasoning to justify it. > Most people only have sex with willing adult partners. > And killing generally isn't part of the act. Implying this dude is just like > everyone else is totally nuts. Yeah, there are some cracked people out > there. Sometimes they're harmless. This one doesn't seem to be. The killing is a means to an end. I'm not implying he's just like everyone else, just that he doesn't deserve your death sentence for his actions. >>> Would you want him to live down the road from your family? >> Why not? >> > Seriously? That's messed up. Not at all. Why would I have to worry about an animal necrophiliac? I'm not a horse or a deer....... >>> I'll say it again: some people are broken and can't be fixed. Do you >>> disagree? [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > because what I see is a likely future murderer/rapist, not just someone > who's a little "different". You see what you want to see. You figure that because he's already done something that repulses you, that he will do other things that repulse you. I see a deviant with a particular bend. > Benignly different is the guy who obsesses about Star Trek and wears vulcan > ears to parties. Dangerously different is more along the lines of killing > and having sex with large animals. Yeah, there's a gray area somewhere in > between benign and dangerous, but this case doesn't seem very gray to me. I still don't see your 'dangerous' part. It's only in yoour 'what if' scenario. What if you were to kill someone....does my 'what if' automatically make you dangerous? >>> I don't care if he kills 10,000 deer. Just don't kill them to f.ck the >>> corpses. [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > things shouldn't matter, like who we choose to have consensual sex with, but > this definitely SHOULD. I wouldn't respect a society where it didn't matter. I wouldn't respect a society where it is acceptable to torture inmates, yet it happens. Are those guards who torment and torture prisoners 'dangerous', or just ordinary guys doing a job? I don't think what he's done is a good thing, but again, it doesn't deserve the death penalty. >>>> Are you an Islamic fundamentalist or something......... >>>> [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > Call me suspicious, but for some reason I just can't trust a guy who kills > horses and deer and whatever else then f.cks the fresh corpses. I don't expect you to trust him, just don't put him to death. >>> He deserves a fair trial, of course, everyone deserves that. But >>> once that's done, if he's indeed as guilty of these crimes as it appears, [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > We should. For damn sure we should. We should let a pack of pissed off women > tear them limb from limb. Andd the guy who thought he was having consentual sex, only to have the woman cry rape the next day....he should die too? >> for robbers?......for muggers?....all crimes that involve >> hurting some one. [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > people would commit robbery or muggings if they knew they could be executed > for it? Of course they would. Those people are doing it for the money, not for fun. it would just make the violence more extreme, as if you are goingt o be put to death, you might as well murder your victims and get rid of the #1 eye-witness. >> Oh, thats right, you want him dead 'in case' he doses something to >> someone in 'what if' land. >> > Yes, I'm way off-base thinking the guy who kills horses and deer and has sex > with the corpses is any threat to society. It's not my fault. My mom yelled > at me when I was a kid. It made me mean sometimes. He's a threat to horses and deer all right....but 'society'? >>> What would you suggest for this guy, assuming he's guilty as charged? >>> Counseling? Do you honestly think it would work? Somehow the therapist would [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] >> > So cast him out from society where he can't hurt anyone? Not that he's hurt anyone to start with....... > Not a bad idea. Can > we put a big cage around him? Or maybe chain him up? Or how about a shock > collar with an electric fence? Why would he need any of those.....he's killing deer, not people. > I don't like the idea of reward his sick behavior, though. If a different > guy got busted strangling kittens, would you give him a job at an animal > shelter and put him charge of euthanizing animals? That sounds like > grotesquely twisted "justice". Do you enjoy your job? Different strokes for different folks. Remember, someones got to do your dirty work when it comes to the death penalty. Why not use a murderer to kill people, eh? > There are better ways to cull deer, besides. This guy would be horrible at > it, since he'd have to get it on with the corpses. That's maybe 1 deer a > day, 2 max. maybe after the first couple of hundred he would be sick of the killing/humping?....Where's that psych report?! > And he wasn't 'hurting' the animals, as in torture. Right. Just killing them, maybe humanely, then having sex with the corpses. He loves animals. > Fair enough. But look at other horror's that go in 'polite society' to > put it in context. That's a bad way to think. If you follow that logic, then ANYTHING can be deemed acceptable, when clearly not everything is. Some things are simply wrong, and everyone who's not crazy knows it. > I'd say it was a means to an end. It's not something you would ponder on > every day, but think of a horse or deer, now think how you would have > sex with them if they were alive......difficult, to say the least. Granted. But you're making an assumption on his motivation. Since we're pondering, why don't you try to put yourself inside the head of a guy for whom the killing is a necessary part of the sexual act. That's a bit more frightening than what you've been thinking, isn't it? >> Is a deer different than a horse? > > Closer to each other than to a human....... So next maybe he'll choose a goat, then a dog, then... ? The point is, if he's killing and screwing animals, how can we even begin to guess where his limits are? He's already so far outside of normal behavior that we really have no idea what he will or won't do. > I enjoy killing animals, but I'm no murderer of humans. > [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > They guy is only 20....he got busted at 18.....I wonder if he's ever had > a woman? I'd say not. Probably a lonely bastard who doesn't get along well with others. He's sexually frustrated and socially inept. > Is it only people who kill forest creatures and have sex with them that > commit murders? No. > > But the whole population 'could' become murderers. We all have that > potential, just different reasoning to justify it. Are you saying that people who kill forest and farm creatures and have sex with the fresh corpses are JUST AS LIKELY as normal people to commit murder or rape? Sure anyone COULD commit murder, but this guy sounds like he's working up to it. > The killing is a means to an end. > I'm not implying he's just like everyone else, just that he doesn't > deserve your death sentence for his actions. You assume the killing is a means to an end because thinking that it's part of the thrill is so disturbing it couldn't possibly be true. You're putting yourself in his situation and asking "how would I have sex with a deer?", when you should be wondering why HE killed and had sex with a dead deer and horse. Remember that he isn't making decisions using your value system. > Not at all. Why would I have to worry about an animal necrophiliac? > I'm not a horse or a deer....... Again, you're making the assumption that his kill-then-f.ck-the-corpse habit only applies to animals. That's not an assumption I'd stake my family's safety on. > You see what you want to see. You figure that because he's already done > something that repulses you, that he will do other things that repulse you. > > I see a deviant with a particular bend. You're exactly right, we do see what we want. And yes, I figure that because he's demonstrated a pattern of killing animals and having sex with them that he will continue to do so. And because he's varied the animal already, he'll likely continue to do that as well. Frankly I think my assumptions are more logical than yours. > I still don't see your 'dangerous' part. It's only in yoour 'what if' > scenario. What if you were to kill someone....does my 'what if' > automatically make you dangerous? Depends on why I did it. Did I kill someone in self defense? Then I guess I'm dangerous to attack. Did I kill someone because they pissed me off? Then I could be dangerous to make upset. Did I kill someone for some sort of twisted sexual thrill? Then I'm dangerous as long as I want to have that thrill again. > I wouldn't respect a society where it is acceptable to torture inmates, > yet it happens. Are those guards who torment and torture prisoners > 'dangerous', or just ordinary guys doing a job? > > I don't think what he's done is a good thing, but again, it doesn't > deserve the death penalty. How about forced labor? Chain gang type of thing. Doing menial, difficult work that's hard to get done otherwise. That could be a good middle ground between slap on the wrist and death penalty. As for guards who abuse inmates, they are people who see cruelty and violence every day of their working lives. It's bound to have an effect. Not excusable, but explainable. I don't like the idea of jails full of criminals. If we killed the really bad ones, the ones who are dedicated violent victimizers, put the mid level ones to work for some years, our jails wouldn't be nearly so bad. > I don't expect you to trust him, just don't put him to death. Should I wait until he rapes and murders a child? > Andd the guy who thought he was having consentual sex, only to have the > woman cry rape the next day....he should die too? Depends. Would any reasonable person think the same way he thought? Or was he crazy in thinking it was consensual, like an obsessed stalker? There are bound to be fringe cases that require careful looking into, but the REAL rapists should be killed. Any woman who is found to be crying wolf maybe should be sent to prison herself. We can always use another cheap laborer. Plenty of work to go around. > Of course they would. Those people are doing it for the money, not for > fun. it would just make the violence more extreme, as if you are goingt > o be put to death, you might as well murder your victims and get rid of > the #1 eye-witness. Or maybe... just maybe... the violent criminal would think that mugging little old ladies on the street for $40 isn't worth risking getting caught when the penalty could be death. > He's a threat to horses and deer all right....but 'society'? There you go with your assumptions again. Let me ask you this... after he killed and f.cked the horse corpse, did anything think he was a threat to deer? Not using your logic. But look what happened. >> So cast him out from society where he can't hurt anyone? > > Not that he's hurt anyone to start with....... Not yet. >> Not a bad idea. Can >> we put a big cage around him? Or maybe chain him up? Or how about a shock >> collar with an electric fence? > > Why would he need any of those.....he's killing deer, not people. Hurting animals is a common behavior for most serial killers before they claim their first human victim. But maybe this guy's different. Maybe he "loves" those animals. > Do you enjoy your job? Different strokes for different folks. Remember, > someones got to do your dirty work when it comes to the death penalty. > Why not use a murderer to kill people, eh? Nope. I don't like that one bit. Sure I enjoy my job. Enjoy it enough not to leave it, anyway. People who commit crimes should NOT be rewarded for it. > maybe after the first couple of hundred he would be sick of the > killing/humping?....Where's that psych report?! You'd think after getting busted once he'd get tired of all the negative attention, but... SignatureJamin "I don't want a pickle..." >> And he wasn't 'hurting' the animals, as in torture. >> > Right. Just killing them, maybe humanely, then having sex with the corpses. > He loves animals. Literally! >> Fair enough. But look at other horror's that go in 'polite society' to >> put it in context. >> > That's a bad way to think. If you follow that logic, then ANYTHING can be > deemed acceptable, when clearly not everything is. Some things are simply > wrong, and everyone who's not crazy knows it. No, I'm not saying it's acceptable, just that there are worse things happening. It is wrong, but not death penalty wrong. >> I'd say it was a means to an end. It's not something you would ponder on >> every day, but think of a horse or deer, now think how you would have [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > whom the killing is a necessary part of the sexual act. That's a bit more > frightening than what you've been thinking, isn't it? Thats what the psych report should show. > >>> Is a deer different than a horse? [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > limits are? He's already so far outside of normal behavior that we really > have no idea what he will or won't do. You can't put someone to death because you don't know what they are going to do in the future. >> I enjoy killing animals, but I'm no murderer of humans. >> [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > I'd say not. Probably a lonely bastard who doesn't get along well with > others. He's sexually frustrated and socially inept. And for that he should die? > >> Is it only people who kill forest creatures and have sex with them that [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > or rape? Sure anyone COULD commit murder, but this guy sounds like he's > working up to it. Why not? People snap all the time......does 'going postal' ring any bells? >> The killing is a means to an end. >> I'm not implying he's just like everyone else, just that he doesn't [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > when you should be wondering why HE killed and had sex with a dead deer and > horse. Remember that he isn't making decisions using your value system. True. >> Not at all. Why would I have to worry about an animal necrophiliac? >> I'm not a horse or a deer....... >> > Again, you're making the assumption that his kill-then-f.ck-the-corpse habit > only applies to animals. That's not an assumption I'd stake my family's > safety on. Innocent until proven guilty? does that still apply over there or did the Patriot Act do a number on that as well? >> You see what you want to see. You figure that because he's already done >> something that repulses you, that he will do other things that repulse you. [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > likely continue to do that as well. Frankly I think my assumptions are more > logical than yours. It would be interesting if we were both on his jury.......... >> I still don't see your 'dangerous' part. It's only in yoour 'what if' >> scenario. What if you were to kill someone....does my 'what if' [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > twisted sexual thrill? Then I'm dangerous as long as I want to have that > thrill again. See, you are just as dangerous as the dead deer f.cker. You just have a different excuse for your actions. >> I wouldn't respect a society where it is acceptable to torture inmates, >> yet it happens. Are those guards who torment and torture prisoners [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > work that's hard to get done otherwise. That could be a good middle ground > between slap on the wrist and death penalty. I'd agree with that. > As for guards who abuse inmates, they are people who see cruelty and > violence every day of their working lives. It's bound to have an effect. Not > excusable, but explainable. I don't like the idea of jails full of > criminals. If we killed the really bad ones, the ones who are dedicated > violent victimizers, put the mid level ones to work for some years, our > jails wouldn't be nearly so bad. Iv'e only seen jail movies,,,,if they are even close to real life, I wouldn't want to go there. >> I don't expect you to trust him, just don't put him to death. >> > Should I wait until he rapes and murders a child? Yes, that is a death sentence crime. And if he doesn't rape and murder a child, he shouldn't be treated like a child rapist murderer. >> Andd the guy who thought he was having consentual sex, only to have the >> woman cry rape the next day....he should die too? [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > should be sent to prison herself. We can always use another cheap laborer. > Plenty of work to go around. I'd like to see that. A woman laying a false charge doing the time the guy would have if he had gone away. >> Of course they would. Those people are doing it for the money, not for >> fun. it would just make the violence more extreme, as if you are goingt [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > little old ladies on the street for $40 isn't worth risking getting caught > when the penalty could be death. The more draconian the punishment, the harder the crimes will become. it wouldn't be a mugging for $40, it would be a murder. >> He's a threat to horses and deer all right....but 'society'? >> > There you go with your assumptions again. Let me ask you this... after he > killed and f.cked the horse corpse, did anything think he was a threat to > deer? Not using your logic. But look what happened. It's still him vs. an animal. >>> So cast him out from society where he can't hurt anyone? >> Not that he's hurt anyone to start with....... >> > Not yet. And neither have you. Should you be treated like a child rapist murderer because mabye,sometime in the future, you might possibly do the crime? >>> Not a bad idea. Can >>> we put a big cage around him? Or maybe chain him up? Or how about a shock [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > claim their first human victim. But maybe this guy's different. Maybe he > "loves" those animals. Maybe he does. >> Do you enjoy your job? Different strokes for different folks. Remember, >> someones got to do your dirty work when it comes to the death penalty. >> Why not use a murderer to kill people, eh? >> > Nope. I don't like that one bit. Sure I enjoy my job. Enjoy it enough not to > leave it, anyway. People who commit crimes should NOT be rewarded for it. carry out the death sentence is more of a function, than a reward. What better person for the job than a convicted murderer? >> maybe after the first couple of hundred he would be sick of the >> killing/humping?....Where's that psych report?! >> > You'd think after getting busted once he'd get tired of all the negative > attention, but... A cry for help? nah, he just gets his rocks off humping dead animals. Apologies in advance to people who's attention span is only this long: --> <-- > No, I'm not saying it's acceptable, just that there are worse things > happening. It is wrong, but not death penalty wrong. Well, in all honesty, my first comment about shooting, hanging, or stoning the guy was made with old time community justice in mind. I wasn't thinking of due process, lawyers, appeals, juries and all that. I agree: his crimes aren't bad enough to warrant a death penalty conviction, based on our legal system. > Thats what the psych report should show. Too bad we rely on the psycho himself to report his feelings. If he's smart enough he can say exactly what the doc wants to hear, so then he can be approved for early release. Sounds like pretty good motivation to lie, eh? > And for that he should die? He should die the instant he chooses a human target to rape and/or murder. Too bad nobody will be there to take care of it since we're too busy respecting his rights to be a crazy guy who kills animals and has sex with their corpses. But at least we didn't hurt his feelings by treating him like a CRIMINAL. >> Are you saying that people who kill forest and farm creatures and have sex >> with the fresh corpses are JUST AS LIKELY as normal people to commit murder >> or rape? Sure anyone COULD commit murder, but this guy sounds like he's >> working up to it. > > Why not? People snap all the time......does 'going postal' ring any bells? So ARE you saying that your average normal person, YOU for instance, is just as likely to commit murder or rape as a person who's repeatedly killed animals and had sex with the corpses? I know you get uncomfortable judging people for being different, being an easygoing and enlightened Kiwi, but come on, be honest now. Who's the bigger threat to the public, you or the dead deer f.cker? > Innocent until proven guilty? does that still apply over there or did > the Patriot Act do a number on that as well? He's already guilty of some pretty f.cked up crimes. Certainly enough to warrant detention and in depth psychological evaluation. > It would be interesting if we were both on his jury.......... We'd be there a long, long time. :) >> Depends on why I did it. Did I kill someone in self defense? Then I guess >> I'm dangerous to attack. Did I kill someone because they pissed me off? Then [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > See, you are just as dangerous as the dead deer f.cker. You just have a > different excuse for your actions. Are you stoned right now? I'd believe you if you said yes. How am I just as dangerous as the dead deer f.cker? Dangerous to whom? >> How about forced labor? > > I'd agree with that. The more I think of it, the more I like the chain gang punishment. Don't let them sit on their a.ses in prison. Make 'em work for their room and board! > Iv'e only seen jail movies,,,,if they are even close to real life, I > wouldn't want to go there. Hence, you're not a dangerous criminal. This is how most normal people think. "Jail sounds bad, I'll pass." Some people don't think that way. >> Should I wait until he rapes and murders a child? > > Yes, that is a death sentence crime. And if he doesn't rape and murder a > child, he shouldn't be treated like a child rapist murderer. Tell it to the child's parents. Can you think of a way to stop him from committing child rape and murder? Assume for the sake of argument that he will commit the crime if given the time and opportunity. If it's in his future, how do we stop him? > I'd like to see that. A woman laying a false charge doing the time the > guy would have if he had gone away. Hell yes. Someone needs to be guilty of something in that instance. > The more draconian the punishment, the harder the crimes will become. it > wouldn't be a mugging for $40, it would be a murder. Why would he decide to commit such a crime for $40 in the first place? You're saying he'd MAKE the crime fit the punishment. I'm saying he'd choose a different crime where the risk/reward was more in his favor. >> There you go with your assumptions again. Let me ask you this... after he >> killed and f.cked the horse corpse, did anything think he was a threat to >> deer? Not using your logic. But look what happened. > > It's still him vs. an animal. It is now. But you sidestepped my point that after the horse incident nobody expected the deer incident. How arrogant do you have to be to think you have any idea now who he'll choose as his next victim? > And neither have you. Should you be treated like a child rapist murderer > because mabye,sometime in the future, you might possibly do the crime? No, but then I don't give any of the signs of being a threat to my community. Never killed an animal and had sex with the corpse, for example. >> But maybe this guy's different. Maybe he "loves" those animals. > > Maybe he does. I think Jeffrey Dahmer loved all those boys, in his own way. > carry out the death sentence is more of a function, than a reward. What > better person for the job than a convicted murderer? It's a reward if you like killing. What if you were "sentenced" to ride you motorcycle from pub to pub, delivering the daily mail for a year? Sound like punishment to you? > A cry for help? nah, he just gets his rocks off humping dead animals. Maybe a cry for help, which would explain why he picked a roadside ditch as his honeymoon suite with Bambi: easily spotted. You seem pretty sure about his "love" for animal corpses being relatively non-threatening. Why? SignatureJamin "I don't want a pickle..." > Apologies in advance to people who's attention span is only this long: > --> <-- [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > aren't bad enough to warrant a death penalty conviction, based on our legal > system. The Islamic fundamentalists are looked down on for their extreme views, yet when it comes to punishing people, many Christians/non-Islamic have the same extreme views....... I must admit that 'an eye for an eye, and a tooth for a tooth' does appeal to me.....especially for assaults. >> Thats what the psych report should show. >> > Too bad we rely on the psycho himself to report his feelings. If he's smart > enough he can say exactly what the doc wants to hear, so then he can be > approved for early release. Sounds like pretty good motivation to lie, eh? If he's stupid enough to do what he's done, I doubt he'd be cunning enough to lie. I wonder if he's proud of what he's done? I was talking to some mates about this guy and they pointed out that a local farmer was done for having sex with a cow......standing on a beer crate in the middle of a paddock......next to the main road! maybe there is some form of exhibitionism involved in these cases as well? >> And for that he should die? >> [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > their corpses. But at least we didn't hurt his feelings by treating him like > a CRIMINAL. he is being treated like the criminal he is....he's been charged for the crime he's committed. >>> Are you saying that people who kill forest and farm creatures and have sex >>> with the fresh corpses are JUST AS LIKELY as normal people to commit murder [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > come on, be honest now. Who's the bigger threat to the public, you or the > dead deer f.cker? As I kill animals whenever possible, I only see the sex part as odd, and I don't see it as any kind of threat, just a perversion. The earlier horse incident is a strange one though....he was done for killing it 'with the intention of having sex with it'. So he must have told the cops that was what he wanted to do (A really good time to tell a lie!)? I think this shows he won't be cunning enough to lie to the person doing the psych report. You never know what tomorrow may bring. >> Innocent until proven guilty? does that still apply over there or did >> the Patriot Act do a number on that as well? >> > He's already guilty of some pretty f.cked up crimes. Certainly enough to > warrant detention and in depth psychological evaluation. They are f.cked up crimes, but not against people. >> It would be interesting if we were both on his jury.......... >> > We'd be there a long, long time. :) nah....he's guilty as sin, I'd just like to read the psych reports and see what he looked like. Maybe he's retarded? >>> Depends on why I did it. Did I kill someone in self defense? Then I guess >>> I'm dangerous to attack. Did I kill someone because they pissed me off? Then [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > Are you stoned right now? I'd believe you if you said yes. How am I just as > dangerous as the dead deer f.cker? Dangerous to whom? Anyone who attacks you , upsets you or becomes your twisted sexual thrill kill. >>> How about forced labor? >> I'd agree with that. >> > The more I think of it, the more I like the chain gang punishment. Don't let > them sit on their a.ses in prison. Make 'em work for their room and board! And let them sleep in tents while they are at it! I recently watched a documentary of the returned servicemen building roads in the backblocks of NZ after WW2. There was no dole back then and you worked or went hungry. Those guys scratched roads out of solid rock and lived in atrocious conditions. I would like to see the criminal element face those hardships to make them realise how easy they really do have it compared to previous generations. >> Iv'e only seen jail movies,,,,if they are even close to real life, I >> wouldn't want to go there. >> > Hence, you're not a dangerous criminal. This is how most normal people > think. "Jail sounds bad, I'll pass." Some people don't think that way. Iv'e been close a few times. :) And I am what many would class as a 'danger' to society....a recidivous drink driver! Is drink driving less of a hazard to the community than f.cking dead animals? >>> Should I wait until he rapes and murders a child? >> Yes, that is a death sentence crime. And if he doesn't rape and murder a >> child, he shouldn't be treated like a child rapist murderer. >> > Tell it to the child's parents. Can you think of a way to stop him from > committing child rape and murder? Give him a job culling deer....... > Assume for the sake of argument that he > will commit the crime if given the time and opportunity. If it's in his > future, how do we stop him? You can't, just as assuming you or I will do the same, given the time and opportunity. You cannot be tried for crimes you haven't committed. >> I'd like to see that. A woman laying a false charge doing the time the >> guy would have if he had gone away. >> > Hell yes. Someone needs to be guilty of something in that instance. It may put off woman reporting a rape case if they may end up doing the time....but it may stop innocent men going inside on the word of a bitter woman. >> The more draconian the punishment, the harder the crimes will become. it >> wouldn't be a mugging for $40, it would be a murder. >> > Why would he decide to commit such a crime for $40 in the first place? > You're saying he'd MAKE the crime fit the punishment. I'm saying he'd choose > a different crime where the risk/reward was more in his favor. I'm broke, I need money for my habit, $40 is $40 and it's better than nothing. Now dispose of witness #1. The rape laws were changed here and the sentences went up to 10 years. if you do a murder, you are out in 12 anyway. There was a rise in women being murdered after they had been raped. Just as when the 'boy racer' law where your vehicle will be impounded and you automatically lose your licence for a month if you are caught doing more than 40kmh over the speed limit came in. Now the police are having more people do runners from them. >>> There you go with your assumptions again. Let me ask you this... after he >>> killed and f.cked the horse corpse, did anything think he was a threat to [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > expected the deer incident. How arrogant do you have to be to think you have > any idea now who he'll choose as his next victim? The same level of arrogance that says he will move to children and the elderly. >> And neither have you. Should you be treated like a child rapist murderer >> because mabye,sometime in the future, you might possibly do the crime? >> > No, but then I don't give any of the signs of being a threat to my > community. Never killed an animal and had sex with the corpse, for example. Have you ever killed an animal? Does that mean you are moving to humans next? have you ever done anything kinky in a sexual way (for arguments sake I'll include masterbation in this, as it 'offends' a certain segment of society)? Did you then move on to the children and elderly? >>> But maybe this guy's different. Maybe he "loves" those animals. >> Maybe he does. >> > I think Jeffrey Dahmer loved all those boys, in his own way. Animals?....boys?......different ball game entirely. >> carry out the death sentence is more of a function, than a reward. What >> better person for the job than a convicted murderer? >> > It's a reward if you like killing. OK, lets assume he;s done his time and is a free man.....having 'convicted murderer' on your resume should help you get a job as a hangman. > What if you were "sentenced" to ride you > motorcycle from pub to pub, delivering the daily mail for a year? Sound like > punishment to you? What...on the rainy ,windy days as well? >> A cry for help? nah, he just gets his rocks off humping dead animals. >> > Maybe a cry for help, which would explain why he picked a roadside ditch as > his honeymoon suite with Bambi: easily spotted. You seem pretty sure about > his "love" for animal corpses being relatively non-threatening. Why? Because he's doing it to animals. If he wanted to do it to children and the elderly, he could have. They are more plentiful than deer. Do paedofiles move from children to animals, or stick with children? > The Islamic fundamentalists are looked down on for their extreme views, > yet when it comes to punishing people, many Christians/non-Islamic have > the same extreme views....... Islamic fundamentalists that I've heard about think that anyone non-Islamic should be enslaved or killed. Sounds a bit extreme to me. I don't feel that way about foreigners. > I must admit that 'an eye for an eye, and a tooth for a tooth' does > appeal to me.....especially for assaults. Yep. Let the punishment fit the crime. We need to stop rewarding bad behavior. > If he's stupid enough to do what he's done, I doubt he'd be cunning > enough to lie. I wonder if he's proud of what he's done? I doubt he did it because he's stupid. He did it because he's f.cked up in the head, which doesn't preclude him manipulating the perceptions of a therapist during an evaluation. > I was talking to some mates about this guy and they pointed out that a > local farmer was done for having sex with a cow......standing on a beer > crate in the middle of a paddock......next to the main road! maybe there > is some form of exhibitionism involved in these cases as well? For some people, I'm sure there is. Did the cow live, btw? >> I know you get uncomfortable judging >> people for being different, being an easygoing and enlightened Kiwi, but [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > As I kill animals whenever possible, I only see the sex part as odd, and > I don't see it as any kind of threat, just a perversion. That's because you're thinking of the killing and the corpse sex as separate events, not as part of the same event. I bet they're linked. > The earlier > horse incident is a strange one though....he was done for killing it > 'with the intention of having sex with it'. So he must have told the > cops that was what he wanted to do (A really good time to tell a lie!)? > I think this shows he won't be cunning enough to lie to the person doing > the psych report. And I think it shows he's a dangerous person who's exhibited a pattern of killing large creatures to have sex with their corpses. > They are f.cked up crimes, but not against people. So what, if anything, could he do to an animal that would make you think that he's a danger to people? Say he was your neighbor down the road and you have a 6 yr old daughter named Lucy. What if he dressed his dog in a little girl's dress, put a wig on the dog, then strangled it while calling it "Lucy", then had sex with the corpse? Just making sh.t up here, but would THAT make you nervous? He didn't hurt any people doing it. > nah....he's guilty as sin, I'd just like to read the psych reports and > see what he looked like. Maybe he's retarded? Maybe. >>>> Depends on why I did it. Did I kill someone in self defense? Then I guess >>>> I'm dangerous to attack. Did I kill someone because they pissed me off? [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > Anyone who attacks you , upsets you or becomes your twisted sexual > thrill kill. If you were making a point with this, I missed it. Maybe re-read what I wrote above. My "actions" were all hypothetical. Notice all the question marks. :) > I would like to see the criminal element face > those hardships to make them realise how easy they really do have it > compared to previous generations. We've gone pretty soft, across the board. Criminals and normal folk. > Is drink driving less of a hazard to the community than f.cking dead > animals? That's a tricky one. If I think the killing then f.cking of animal corpses is indicative of a homicidal pattern, and that the animals are "practice victims", then I think the deer f.cker is more of a threat. If I believe that he'll only ever harm deer or horses, then I'd be more concerned about a drunk driver. On the whole, drunk driving is more of a threat, because so many people do it. What if we had that many people killing animals and having sex with their corpses? >> Assume for the sake of argument that he >> will commit the crime if given the time and opportunity. If it's in his >> future, how do we stop him? > > You can't, just as assuming you or I will do the same, given the time > and opportunity. You cannot be tried for crimes you haven't committed. I wasn't talking about trying him, but preventing the crime that we believe to be in his future. Again, you're implying that you and I are as likely as he is to commit future violent crimes. I don't know you that well, but I can say for certain I am not awaiting the opportunity to kill animals and have sex with the corpses. If the opportunity presented itself, say alone in the woods with a deer and a deer rifle, I would pass. You? > I'm broke, I need money for my habit, $40 is $40 and it's better than > nothing. Now dispose of witness #1. [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > doing more than 40kmh over the speed limit came in. Now the police are > having more people do runners from them. Valid points. > The same level of arrogance that says he will move to children and the > elderly. Touché. To be clear, though, I said he probably would do that, not definitely. You seemed convinced that he absolutely would not, which I think is dangerously naïve. > Have you ever killed an animal? Yep. But never to have sex with the corpse. Only for food or money. > Does that mean you are moving to humans > next? Nope. But then I don't get my kicks killing things to have sex with the corpses. This guy does. > have you ever done anything kinky in a sexual way (for arguments sake > I'll include masterbation in this, as it 'offends' a certain segment of > society)? Did you then move on to the children and elderly? Kinky? Killing a deer and f.cking the corpse on the side of the road is "kinky"? Holy crap, man... that's putting it lightly. Anytime sex involves death, something is terribly wrong. It's worse of course if it's human death, but even so, it's way beyond harmless "kinky". > Animals?....boys?......different ball game entirely. True. But one often precedes the other. Killers frequently practice on animals before moving to people. What makes this guy seem like a killer is that the killing is tied to the sex. As a hunter, did you get a boner from taking a nice deer to put meat on the table? No, of course not. > Because he's doing it to animals. If he wanted to do it to children and > the elderly, he could have. They are more plentiful than deer. Do > paedofiles move from children to animals, or stick with children? I don't know about pedophiles so much, but murderers frequently start as kids by torturing and killing animals, and then move on to people as they get older, grow more bold and have practiced their techniques. Usually the first human victims are the easiest targets, which very frequently are children, women, homeless, or the elderly. If you want to see what awful things some people are capable of, look up author John Douglas. He did pioneering work in the FBI's Behavioral Science Unit and talks about some of the cases, showing parallels between different types of crimes and the motivations of the subjects who commit them. Pretty interesting stuff, if you're not squeamish. SignatureJamin "I don't want a pickle..." -- Posted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com Back to the real world. I'll leave it at....the guys a screw up and needs professional help while serving a custodial sentence. I don't think he deserves the "shooting is appropriate. Or hanging. Or stoning." >> Apologies in advance to people who's attention span is only this long: >> --> <-- [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] >I must admit that 'an eye for an eye, and a tooth for a tooth' does >appeal to me.....especially for assaults. Oh - then we should kill the deer guy and f.ck him in the a.s, right ? >>>> Depends on why I did it. Did I kill someone in self defense? Then I guess >>>> I'm dangerous to attack. Did I kill someone because they pissed me off? Then [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] >Anyone who attacks you , upsets you or becomes your twisted sexual >thrill kill. What a complete bunch of sh.t from the guy whose favorite complaint is 'you're talking about maybe's and what ifs' . If we didn't know you were either a troll or a moron, we do now. SignatureClick here every day to feed an animal that needs you today !!! http://www.theanimalrescuesite.com/ Paul ( pjm @ pobox . com ) - remove spaces to email me 'Some days, it's just not worth chewing through the restraints.' 'With sufficient thrust, pigs fly just fine.' HVAC/R program for Palm PDA's Free demo now available online http://pmilligan.net/palm/ >>> Apologies in advance to people who's attention span is only this long: >>> --> <-- [quoted text clipped - 17 lines] > Oh - then we should kill the deer guy and f.ck him in the a.s, > right ? So you equate a deers life as the same as a human life?. >>>>> Depends on why I did it. Did I kill someone in self defense? Then I guess >>>>> I'm dangerous to attack. Did I kill someone because they pissed me off? Then [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > What a complete bunch of sh.t from the guy whose favorite > complaint is 'you're talking about maybe's and what ifs' . yep, well were right in the middle of what if land here. > If we didn't know you were either a troll or a moron, we do > now. Whatever..... >>>> Apologies in advance to people who's attention span is only this long: >>>> --> <-- [quoted text clipped - 19 lines] > >So you equate a deers life as the same as a human life?. Not at all. I LIKE deer. SignatureClick here every day to feed an animal that needs you today !!! http://www.theanimalrescuesite.com/ Paul ( pjm @ pobox . com ) - remove spaces to email me 'Some days, it's just not worth chewing through the restraints.' 'With sufficient thrust, pigs fly just fine.' HVAC/R program for Palm PDA's Free demo now available online http://pmilligan.net/palm/ >>So you equate a deers life as the same as a human life?. > > Not at all. I LIKE deer. Venison is pretty good. >>>So you equate a deers life as the same as a human life?. >> >> Not at all. I LIKE deer. > > Venison is pretty good. No, no, no, no, nooo he "LIKES" deer. SignatureBeav VN 750 Zed 1000 OMF# 19 >>So you equate a deers life as the same as a human life?. > > Not at all. I LIKE deer. I hate deer, so there. SignatureAndrew 00 Daytona 00 Speed Triple 71 Kawi H1 05 Infant >>>So you equate a deers life as the same as a >>>human life?. >> >> Not at all. I LIKE deer. > > I hate deer, so there. Ditto! The only good deer is either in your sights or on the plate other than that they aren't worth a tinkers damn. I haven't hit one yet and I've had too many friends grievously hurt and or crippled by the furry f.ckers. Ought to be open season on them, that equals fewer deer and more meat on my table...f.ck the kings forest. SignatureKeith Schiffner History does not record anywhere at any time a religion that has any rational basis. Religion is a crutch for people not strong enough to stand up to the unknown without help. But, like dandruff, most people do have a religion and spend time and money on it and seem to derive considerable pleasure from fiddling with it. Robert Heinlein >>>>So you equate a deers life as the same as a >>>>human life?. [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] >them, that equals fewer deer and more meat on my >table...f.ck the kings forest. So, the thread has expanded in scope. First it was about f.cking the deer, now you want to f.ck the whole damned forest. Shame on you. SignatureClick here every day to feed an animal that needs you today !!! http://www.theanimalrescuesite.com/ Paul ( pjm @ pobox . com ) - remove spaces to email me 'Some days, it's just not worth chewing through the restraints.' 'With sufficient thrust, pigs fly just fine.' HVAC/R program for Palm PDA's Free demo now available online http://pmilligan.net/palm/ >>>>So you equate a deers life as the same as a human life?. >>> [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > Ought to be open season on them, that equals fewer deer and more meat on > my table...f.ck the kings forest. You'd need wood for THAT. SignatureBeav VN 750 Zed 1000 OMF# 19 >>>> Apologies in advance to people who's attention span is only this long: >>>> --> <-- [quoted text clipped - 23 lines] > > So you equate a deers life as the same as a human life?. And what made him think the deer was male and needed f.cking in the arse? Why not think it was a doe? Closet faggot you ask me. SignatureBeav VN 750 Zed 1000 OMF# 19 "BrianNZ" <> wrote in message > I'd just like to read the psych reports and > see what he looked like. Maybe he's retarded? http://www.thesmokinggun.com/archive/1116061deer1.html Sue Minocqua, WI Yamaha '00 VStar 650 '04 TW200 (mud = fun) Kawasaki '95 Vulcan 1500 V#15937 "Do what you want and say what you feel because those that mind, don't matter and those that matter, don't mind". ~Dr. Seuss > "BrianNZ" <> wrote in message > I'd just like to read the psych reports > and [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > "Do what you want and say what you feel because those that mind, don't > matter and those that matter, don't mind". ~Dr. Seuss That's the first time I've seen a Bily Crystal quote in a motion to dismiss. SignatureAndrew 00 Daytona 00 Speed Triple 71 Kawi H1 05 Infant > "BrianNZ" <> wrote in message > I'd just like to read the psych reports and > > see what he looked like. Maybe he's retarded? [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > "Do what you want and say what you feel because those that mind, don't > matter and those that matter, don't mind". ~Dr. Seuss Thanks for that....So it turns out he didn't kill the deer as a thrill kill. He looks normal enough......just goes to show looks CAN be deceiving. >> "BrianNZ" <> wrote in message > I'd just like to read the psych reports >> and > see what he looked like. Maybe he's retarded? [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > kill. He looks normal enough......just goes to show looks CAN be > deceiving. I found an old report a couple months back saying that as many as half of the males raised on a farm had sex with an animal as least once. The kid above might be very normal, for a 20 year old anyway. Robert > I found an old report a couple months back saying that as many as > half of the males raised on a farm had sex with an animal as least > once. The kid above might be very normal, for a 20 year old anyway. Well, I imagine very few people would give a straight answer to questions like that. >> I found an old report a couple months back saying that as many as >> half of the males raised on a farm had sex with an animal as least >> once. The kid above might be very normal, for a 20 year old anyway. > > Well, I imagine very few people would give a straight answer to > questions like that. So you think the percentage might be higher? >>> I found an old report a couple months back saying that as many as >>> half of the males raised on a farm had sex with an animal as least [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > So you think the percentage might be higher? Depends how many of them have sisters ;-) Reassembler > Apologies in advance to people who's attention span is only this long: > --> <-- [quoted text clipped - 19 lines] > approved for early release. Sounds like pretty good motivation to lie, > eh? The only psycho I know is very smart, but he can't act normal. He's been convicted of road rage and is awaiting senencing. You'd think he would be carefull to show the judge he's not at all subject to rage, but instead he lost his temper during a bail reduction hearing. The judge noted it and said he'd have to think about bail reduction for awhile. He's been thinking about it for around 4 months now. Robert and is therefore >> not someone who belongs in polite society. > > "BrianNZ" <> wrote in message >> Which is why he's doing it in the bush. Actually, he wasn't in the woods or bush. He was in the ditch along the state highway for all the world to see and enjoy. <sarcasm on> Sue, who lives in this perverts backyard and wishes we had concealed carry in Wisconsin. Minocqua, WI Yamaha '00 VStar 650 '04 TW200 (mud = fun) Kawasaki '95 Vulcan 1500 V#15937 "Do what you want and say what you feel because those that mind, don't matter and those that matter, don't mind". ~Dr. Seuss > and is therefore >>> not someone who belongs in polite society. [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > "Do what you want and say what you feel because those that mind, don't > matter and those that matter, don't mind". ~Dr. Seuss Well thanks for the additional info....that wasn't in the link. Would a 'concealed carry' make any difference in a case like this? "BrianNZ" <> wrote in message > > Well thanks for the additional info....that wasn't in the link. > > Would a 'concealed carry' make any difference in a case like this? Well, for me it would make a difference. I usually ride the backroads alone. There's more of a feeling of security here than in bigger cities. Not that I like having these kind of weirdos around but in a way, it will help me practice safety. But, should I ever be in harms way, I'd prefer to blow their brains out than try to reason with them. Sue Minocqua, WI Yamaha '00 VStar 650 '04 TW200 (mud = fun) Kawasaki '95 Vulcan 1500 V#15937 "Do what you want and say what you feel because those that mind, don't matter and those that matter, don't mind". ~Dr. Seuss > "BrianNZ" <> wrote in message > > Well thanks for the additional > info....that wasn't in the link. [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > "Do what you want and say what you feel because those that mind, don't > matter and those that matter, don't mind". ~Dr. Seuss So, your'e with Jamin on the death penalty for this kind of crime?...your'e riding along and there's some guy humping a dead horse/deer, you'd stop and shoot him? We aren't allowed to carry firearms here, but if youv'e got a hunting permit, you have a 'reasonable' excuse to have a gun in the car (over your shoulder on a bike). The hunting permits are free and last for 3 months....Iv'e always got one. Maybe you have the same sort of loophole you could use? >> "BrianNZ" <> wrote in message > > Well thanks for the additional >> info....that wasn't in the link. [quoted text clipped - 23 lines] >months....Iv'e always got one. >Maybe you have the same sort of loophole you could use? Dunno, I'll have to look up the official season on deerfuckers. SignatureClick here every day to feed an animal that needs you today !!! http://www.theanimalrescuesite.com/ Paul ( pjm @ pobox . com ) - remove spaces to email me 'Some days, it's just not worth chewing through the restraints.' 'With sufficient thrust, pigs fly just fine.' HVAC/R program for Palm PDA's Free demo now available online http://pmilligan.net/palm/ >> But, should I ever be in harms way, I'd prefer to >> blow their brains out than try to reason with them. [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > crime?...your'e riding along and there's some guy humping a dead > horse/deer, you'd stop and shoot him? She said "should I ever be in harm's way". Presumably if she were to see the guy, or another like him, having sex with an animal corpse alongside the road, she could just ride on (fast) and get to the nearest town to report it. If she were changing a flat and the scene from Deliverance started playing out, then a gun would be a great thing to have. "You got a purty mouth." Bang, bang, bang, bang! SignatureJamin "I don't want a pickle..." <SNIP> > If she were changing a flat and the scene from Deliverance started playing > out, then a gun would be a great thing to have. > > "You got a purty mouth." > Bang, bang, bang, bang! Is that a real concern for Americans? I thought Deliverance was a movie, not a documentary? I mean, how many weirdo's are there out there.....are the streets safe to walk on? Have any of you ever been in a gunplay situation?, or is it all hot air and boasting....... >> "You got a purty mouth." >> Bang, bang, bang, bang! > > Is that a real concern for Americans? I thought Deliverance was a movie, > not a documentary? Spoken like a man who has never been lost in Appalachia. > I mean, how many weirdo's are there out there.....are the streets safe to > walk on? Streets are fine. Its the inbreeds in the backwoods you gotta worry about. > Have any of you ever been in a gunplay situation?, or is it all hot air > and boasting....... I had 2 guys break into my house when I was in high school, and was forced to even the odds with a deer rifle. Does that count? To this day, I will insist that nothing sobers up a couple of idiots faster than the noise of a slide action weapon chambering a round while being pointed at them. That "clack-clack" is pretty distinctive, only nowadays the deterrent of choice is a short barreled 12 gauge with 3" mags and 00 buckshot. >>> "You got a purty mouth." >>> Bang, bang, bang, bang! [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > Spoken like a man who has never been lost in Appalachia. And you have been? Iv'e spent a lot of time in the bush and come across some real wolly bro's (complete with guns, dogs & chopped down bayonets) in the backblocks, but Iv'e never felt threatened by them. >> I mean, how many weirdo's are there out there.....are the streets safe >> to walk on? > > Streets are fine. Its the inbreeds in the backwoods you gotta worry about. So they are really there?...not just a group made infamous by Hollywood? >> Have any of you ever been in a gunplay situation?, or is it all hot >> air and boasting....... > > I had 2 guys break into my house when I was in high school, and was > forced to even the odds with a deer rifle. Does that count? Yep, that counts. > To this day, I will insist that nothing sobers up a couple of idiots > faster than the noise of a slide action weapon chambering a round while > being pointed at them. That "clack-clack" is pretty distinctive, only > nowadays the deterrent of choice is a short barreled 12 gauge with 3" > mags and 00 buckshot. Sod the 'clack-clack'....all they'd hear from me would be the safety coming off. >>> Is that a real concern for Americans? I thought Deliverance was a >>> movie, not a documentary? >> >> Spoken like a man who has never been lost in Appalachia. > > And you have been? I grew up there. Got lost there. Found my way out. Toted a rifle and pistol across more farms and fields and gunned down more innocent creatures than I care to remember, particularly considering I was then required to eat them. If I had been fat then with bad teeth at age 18 I could have been confused with the bad guys from the movie. Except I am a nice guy of course. > Iv'e spent a lot of time in the bush and come across some real wolly bro's > (complete with guns, dogs & chopped down bayonets) in the backblocks, but > Iv'e never felt threatened by them. I never threatened anyone either. I'm guessing its like anywhere, there are occasionally bad apples, and bad apples can be roaming city streets or the backwoods of America. > So they are really there?...not just a group made infamous by Hollywood? I have never met any group between the Smokies and on up into central PA anything like what was represented in that movie, well, not their BEHAVIOR anyway. The ratty housing, poor dental health, welfare recipients, etc etc, sure, thats all there. I think Hollywood invented and then exaggerated the characters for their own purposes. The poor folks are usually good people...now city slickers who buy a 100 acre hobby farm and then fence it and act like you stepped into their living room when you cross a corner of the property, now THOSE people are pains in the a.s. > Sod the 'clack-clack'....all they'd hear from me would be the safety > coming off. That night, I had a clip, but not in the gun. I was always afraid my sister would find any weapon I kept loaded and blow a hole in the roof or something, so guns were at the head of the bed, clip was under the bed. >>>> "You got a purty mouth." >>>> Bang, bang, bang, bang! [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > (complete with guns, dogs & chopped down bayonets) in the backblocks, but > Iv'e never felt threatened by them. I've spent a whole lot of time in the bush, as well. Sometimes it gets pretty nasty down there. One of the problems is that you never know it until it's too late. T. >>> I mean, how many weirdo's are there out there.....are the streets safe >>> to walk on? [quoted text clipped - 20 lines] > Sod the 'clack-clack'....all they'd hear from me would be the safety > coming off. > Is that a real concern for Americans? I thought Deliverance was a movie, > not a documentary? > > I mean, how many weirdo's are there out there.....are the streets safe > to walk on? Enough for us to talk about endlessly. Did you hear we have guys who kill forest animals and then have sex with the corpses? > Have any of you ever been in a gunplay situation?, or is it all hot air > and boasting....... Well, I can tell you I don't "play" with them. Does it have to be A or B? SignatureJamin "I don't want a pickle..." > <SNIP> >> [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > Is that a real concern for Americans? I thought Deliverance was a movie, > not a documentary? Ahhh Ha! A title for a new movie script. "The Deer f.cker". I bet I could get that fruitcake, Cimino to direct it. SignatureBy it's very nature, my sig. makes this posting 100% on topic. "Of course, you'll have the good taste not to mention that I posted this." Thumper "I don't want a pickle..." http://www.thumpers-roadhouse.ws 2007 H-D FXSTD Deuce 2006 BMW K1200GT 2004 H-D Road King Classic 1978 Triumph T140V Bonneville 1975 Triumph T160 Trident 1974 Norton Commando Interstate 1969 BSA R75 Red Rocket III 1962 Triumph T20 Tiger Cub 1958 BSA Super Bantam COCK 1954 Velocette MAC > I mean, how many weirdo's are there out there.....are the streets safe to > walk on? > > Have any of you ever been in a gunplay situation?, or is it all hot air > and boasting....... Thumper wrote this on Thu, 22 Mar 2007 12:16:58 +0000. My reply is below. > Ahhh Ha! A title for a new movie script. "The Deer f.cker". I bet I > could get that fruitcake, Cimino to direct it. I kinda liked |
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