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Question: How does the integral 8" zipper found in many cycle jackets attach to cycle pants? It's apparent that the bottom of the zipper comes off the jacket and is sewn to the pants, but in what configuation? This applies to Joe Rocket, AlpineStars, Fieldsheer, etc., jackets/ pants. Thanks in advance. > Question: How does the integral 8" zipper found in many cycle jackets > attach to cycle pants? It's apparent that the bottom of the zipper [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > This applies to Joe Rocket, AlpineStars, Fieldsheer, etc., jackets/ > pants. Matching piece on the jacket. At least one pair of pants I bought came with an matching piece that could be sewn in to a jacket too. While having it zip together is cool and probably safer too, it makes going to the bathroom a real PITA > Question: How does the integral 8" zipper found in many cycle jackets > attach to cycle pants? It's apparent that the bottom of the zipper [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > > Thanks in advance. Hmmm, I have Joe Rockets. but I am too lazy to figure it out right now and describe the procedure. One zipper goes on the top, the other on the bottom. It either zips left or right. A freakin' puzzle it is. I'll figure it out May 2nd when I get to the track and test ride a Buell. >> Question: How does the integral 8" zipper found in many cycle jackets >> attach to cycle pants? My Rocket set just zips together, I tried it once and didn't like it. I guess it makes up for the lack of belt loops?  SignatureStupendous Man, Defender of Freedom, Advocate of Liberty >> Question: How does the integral 8" zipper found in many cycle jackets >> attach to cycle pants? It's apparent that the bottom of the zipper [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > > I'll figure it out May 2nd when I get to the track and test ride a Buell. Joe Rocket & first gear are one way, and can zip to each other. Teknic and Tourmast/Cortech go the other way and can zip together. But most first gear has 10" zippers, but will still work with Joe Rocket's 8". > Hmmm, I have Joe Rockets. but I am too lazy to figure it out right now and > describe the procedure. One zipper goes on the top, the other on the > bottom. It either zips left or right. A freakin' puzzle it is. Yep. Zippers can be tricky. Wait until you try shoe laces! Talk about a headache. ;) Like anything, if you get do it often enough you get used to it and it's not a big deal. It takes an extra couple seconds to work the zipper, but I'd hardly call it pain in the a.s. on 3/24/07 4:14 PM, Stupendous Man wrote: > My Rocket set just zips together, I tried it once and didn't like it. I > guess it makes up for the lack of belt loops? The zipper's function is to prevent your jacket and pants from separating when you crash, to keep cow skin, not your skin, on the pavement. If you're not concerned about your skin, there's no need to use the zipper. SignatureJamin "I don't want a pickle..." > The zipper's function is to prevent your jacket and pants from separating > when you crash, to keep cow skin, not your skin, on the pavement. If > you're > not concerned about your skin, there's no need to use the zipper. Good job, throwing FACTS into the discussion. :) What is weird, I have discovered that my 15+ year old Nordstroms leather jacket keeps me warmer and more comtfortable than Joe Rocket. But on the track, I am going to zip everything. > Good job, throwing FACTS into the discussion. :) I know, I know... it's a habit of mine. ;) > What is weird, I have discovered that my 15+ year old Nordstroms leather > jacket keeps me warmer and more comtfortable than Joe Rocket. But on the > track, I am going to zip everything. The only Joe Rocket stuff I've had have been gloves, and they worked OK. I've never worn a JR jacket to know what they're like. Once I got serious about wearing leathers while riding, I bought Vansons and have been extremely happy with them. At track days it's often required to have jacket and pants zip together unless you have a one-piece suit. SignatureJamin "I don't want a pickle..." > The zipper's function is to prevent your jacket and pants from separating > when you crash, to keep cow skin, not your skin, on the pavement. If > you're > not concerned about your skin, there's no need to use the zipper. Depends. I've attended track days where they won't let you out there unless the jacket and pants are zipped together. No gaps in coverage allowed. > > The zipper's function is to prevent your jacket and pants from separating > > when you crash, to keep cow skin, not your skin, on the pavement. If [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > > No gaps in coverage allowed. Yeah, and this really pisses me off. The nice thing about Pridmore days was that he was very reasonable with the attire. I wear suspenders on my textile britches that I'm willing to bet will hold up every bit as well (if not a heck of alot better) than the silly zippers sewn into the flimsy liners of most leather jackets. In this part of the country it's just too time and money intensive to get to a track day more than a few times a year even if you're a hardcore nut about it. It just isn't worth it to me to invest in the whole leather suit thing, back protector etc for something I might want to do once or twice a year. And I find leather far too hot, inflexible, and heavy for everyday use. So now that Pridmore has retired I reckon the only time I'll be visiting a track is to watch someone else ride on it. Oh well... >> > The zipper's function is to prevent your jacket and pants from >> > separating [quoted text clipped - 21 lines] > only time I'll be visiting a track is to watch someone else ride on > it. Speaking of which....did you get to see the MotoGp today? >Oh well... That's exactly what I thought too:) SignatureBeav VN 750 Zed 1000 OMF# 19 >>> The zipper's function is to prevent your jacket and pants from separating >>> when you crash, to keep cow skin, not your skin, on the pavement. If [quoted text clipped - 18 lines] > only time I'll be visiting a track is to watch someone else ride on > it. Oh well... Generally I agree that it's nice for a "track day" (vs. racing) to not require too much extra expenses, I have to ask how the hell suspenders keep you jacket from around your head when sliding feet first down the tarmac? bruce > Generally I agree that it's nice for a "track day" (vs. racing) to not > require too much extra expenses, I have to ask how the hell suspenders > keep you jacket from around your head when sliding feet first down the > tarmac? Clip them to the bottom of the jacket and loop them under your crotch. Seems obvious to me... Signature"Outback" Jon - KC2BNE outback_jon@ver.no.sp.am.izon.net AMD Opteron 146 (@2.8) and 6.1 GHz of other AMD power... http://folding.stanford.edu - got folding? Team 48435 2006 ZG1000A Concours "Blueline" COG# 7385 CDA# 0157 1980 CB750F SuperSport "CoolerKing" >>>> The zipper's function is to prevent your jacket and pants from >>>> separating [quoted text clipped - 25 lines] > keep you jacket from around your head when sliding feet first down the > tarmac? They don't, which is why it's a general rule (over here) that pants MUST be attached to the jacket. A one piece is best (naturally) but a full length zip is a decent second best. I wouldn't use anything less anyway. SignatureBeav VN 750 Zed 1000 OMF# 19 > Yeah, and this really pisses me off. The nice thing about Pridmore > days was that he was very reasonable with the attire. I wear I did the CLASS thing two summers ago. Another nice thing was the minimal bike prep. I don't know how they got away with making it so you didn't need to take the antifreeze out of the radiators. But, at the same time, they don't advertise themselves as being either a race school, or a performance school. Instead, as a skills/riding school. They explained it helped out with insurance to a great deal. We had all sorts of people there, with all sorts of bikes, in all sorts of attire. - Kurt > I did the CLASS thing two summers ago. Another nice thing was the minimal > bike prep. I don't know how they got away with making it so you didn't need [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > of > bikes, in all sorts of attire. Even though bike prep and proper track attire can be a hassle, those requirements exist for a reason. Coolant spills are awful on the track. Injuries are also awful. Either one can ruin most of a track day for all the riders. I think Reg Pridmore's school was a good compromise between convenience and safety. I did it myself a number of years ago when they were still coming to Portland Int'l Raceway. I remember there were a couple hotshots in the class, people who'd probably been there a few times, who weren't new to track riding. Reg made a point of telling them to calm down, that crashing was unacceptable. Open track days are way different. Sometimes you get a lot of safety oversight, sometimes none. In either case, I'd rather have a very strict tech and safety inspection than a lax one. Everyone else on the track met the requirements, so you can too. You don't get a free pass just because you're cheap and/or lazy. If sloppy bikes, with lazy riders, are on the track, you can imagine what will likely happen. Kurt, I'm not saying "you" as in YOU. You don't come across as sloppy or lazy. I was speaking to the collective "you". SignatureJamin "I don't want a pickle..." -- Posted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com > Even though bike prep and proper track attire can be a hassle, those > requirements exist for a reason. Coolant spills are awful on the track. > Injuries are also awful. Either one can ruin most of a track day for all the > riders. Personally, I think the coolant rule should stick even for CLASS. It is generally such an easy thing to take care of - but cleaning it off the track isn't so easy. > Portland Int'l Raceway. I remember there were a couple hotshots in the > class, people who'd probably been there a few times, who weren't new to > track riding. Reg made a point of telling them to calm down, that crashing > was unacceptable. Yes, there were definitely those there who had taken it a few times. But most of them were older, more mature types not looking to impress anyone. Just as Troy said, you had your yahoos out there on their liter bikes, blasting down the straights, and then hard on the brakes. Still, it was my first time at the track, and I think it was an excellent introduction to the track. There was a lot of hand holding and plenty of track time. Still, I wouldn't spend the extra money on it to do it again. I'll just stick with track days, and hopefully some racing this year. > Open track days are way different. Sometimes you get a lot of safety > oversight, sometimes none. In either case, I'd rather have a very strict > tech and safety inspection than a lax one. Everyone else on the track met It wasn't strict, that is for sure.... > the requirements, so you can too. You don't get a free pass just because > you're cheap and/or lazy. If sloppy bikes, with lazy riders, are on the > track, you can imagine what will likely happen. > > Kurt, I'm not saying "you" as in YOU. You don't come across as sloppy or > lazy. I was speaking to the collective "you". I understand what you are saying. With CLASS, it really isn't supposed to be anything more than a riding school on a closed circuit. It isn't for people who want to go sliding around corners and really pushing the limits. I really think it has its place out there, and makes a good intro to the track. I think Reg's kid has a class that is more suited to racing. - Kurt > I understand what you are saying. With CLASS, it really isn't supposed to > be anything more than a riding school on a closed circuit. It isn't for > people who want to go sliding around corners and really pushing the limits. > I really think it has its place out there, and makes a good intro to the > track. I think Reg's kid has a class that is more suited to racing. Yep. I think CLASS is an excellent intro to track riding. You get lots of good technical info and plenty of instructor attention. And at least when I went the instructors were very good at keeping students from getting too wild on the track. My first few open track days were eye openers after the CLASS experience. I went to a couple that were pretty much free-for-alls. Minimal tech inspection, all kinds of yahoos out there. Those can be sketchy. But then I've been to others that took rider safety more seriously and had more involved control riders, and those were more fun. But each track day has been it's own event. You never know what you're going to get until you're out there. Was it Troy who said something about making a habit of skipping the first and last sessions of the day? There's some wisdom in that. SignatureJamin "I don't want a pickle..." -- Posted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com > But each track day has been it's own event. You never know what you're > going > to get until you're out there. Was it Troy who said something about making > a > habit of skipping the first and last sessions of the day? There's some > wisdom in that. I be brilliant. > I did the CLASS thing two summers ago. We had all sorts of people there, > with all sorts of > bikes, in all sorts of attire. Back in the last millennia, it was overwhelmed by BMW's, when Reg used Beemers in the CLASS. It was decent then, and the clientel was a little older, more mature. During the late 90's-early 2000's ( last time I went ) it seemed like the A group had been overwhelmed by younger, faster ( and less competent ) Gixxer1000-R1-CBR1000-ZX10R pilots who had neither the time nor energy to use an inside line so others could get around them because of their poor corner entrance speeds, but were all willing to dragrace everyone everywhere, which was a tough game at a decent track without the proper buy in to the game. >So now that Pridmore has retired WHAT??!!! > >So now that Pridmore has retired > > WHAT??!!! Jason Pridmore officially announced his retirement from racing after last fall's Mid-Ohio meet. Who knows whether or not he'll stick with it? Not me. So far as I've heard -or the web can tell me- both he and his father Reg are still planning on continuing their separate track schools. They both seem to be booking future dates right now. >> >So now that Pridmore has retired >> [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > fall's Mid-Ohio meet. Who knows whether or not he'll stick with it? Not > me. Oh..thats right, I remember that, but I was somehow thinking that saddle was talking about Reg. > So far as I've heard -or the web can tell me- both he and his father Reg > are still planning on continuing their separate track schools. They both > seem to be booking future dates right now. Yeah, I went and ran off and checked the CLASS schedule, while its still there, it is VERY light. No RA, no Mid-O, no Barber, no VIR, all places he had multiple dates at before. >>> >So now that Pridmore has retired >>> [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] > there, it is VERY light. No RA, no Mid-O, no Barber, no VIR, all places > he had multiple dates at before. I talked with Reg at the M/C show out here in November and he said that he was going in for some surgery in February (IIRC). Something to do with his back, I think. Hope it went well. SignatureHeaven is where the police are British, the chefs Italian, the mechanics German, the lovers French and it is all organized by the Swiss. Hell is where the police are German, the chefs British, the mechanics French, the lovers Swiss and it is all organized by Italians. http://new.photos.yahoo.com/paul1cart/albums/ > Yeah, I went and ran off and checked the CLASS schedule, while its still > there, it is VERY light. No RA, no Mid-O, no Barber, no VIR, all places he > had multiple dates at before. That's not retirement, that's gas prices. > >> >So now that Pridmore has retired > >> [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > there, it is VERY light. No RA, no Mid-O, no Barber, no VIR, all places he > had multiple dates at before. LOT of competition for those venues these days. I don't think any school except Schwantz is done at Road Atlanta (if that is your RA). SignatureTweak >> Yeah, I went and ran off and checked the CLASS schedule, while its still >> there, it is VERY light. No RA, no Mid-O, no Barber, no VIR, all places [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > LOT of competition for those venues these days. I don't think any > school except Schwantz is done at Road Atlanta (if that is your RA). Road America. >> The zipper's function is to prevent your jacket and pants from separating >> when you crash, to keep cow skin, not your skin, on the pavement. If [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > > No gaps in coverage allowed. Yep. The reason they require the full coverage is the same: to keep your skin off the pavement. Well, and probably to keep lawyers off their backs. SignatureJamin "I don't want a pickle..." ["Followup-To:" header set to alt.motorcycle.sportbike.] > Question: How does the integral 8" zipper found in many cycle jackets > attach to cycle pants? It's apparent that the bottom of the zipper > comes off the jacket and is sewn to the pants, but in what > configuation? Motorcycle pants are usually cut high in the back so the zipper normally isn't going to be located right near the top of the waistline. The zipper usually goes on the outside of the pants. Other than that, what else is there? Just make they zip in the same direction. It would probably help if you put both the jacket and pants on, and then got in your typical riding position, to find the best place to attach it. - Kurt |
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