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Motorcycle Forum / General / Sportbikes / March 2007Wouldn't something like this solve certain racing class issues?
http://www.roadracingworld.com/news/article/?article=28562 Seems reasonable to me anyway. Buells would be free to compete against Busa's and itsy bitsy bikes and Superbikes and 250 two strokes and such without all the usual gyrations required to pretend to make things equal. > http://www.roadracingworld.com/news/article/?article=28562 > > Seems reasonable to me anyway. Buells would be free to compete against > Busa's and itsy bitsy bikes and Superbikes and 250 two strokes and such > without all the usual gyrations required to pretend to make things equal. Honestly Troy, when it comes to racing the sanctioning bodies try to level the playing field and give everyone a chance to win something. Whether by age, weight or other criteria.... > http://www.roadracingworld.com/news/article/?article=28562 > > Seems reasonable to me anyway. Buells would be free to compete against > Busa's and itsy bitsy bikes and Superbikes and 250 two strokes and such > without all the usual gyrations required to pretend to make things equal. Seems like a good idea, but once you add rider weight the ratios will end up being different again. Lighter bikes' hp:wt ratios will be lower than heavier bikes, when you factor in riders of the same weight. Maybe it doesn't end up mattering that much, though.  SignatureJamin "I don't want a pickle..." >> Seems reasonable to me anyway. Buells would be free to compete against >> Busa's and itsy bitsy bikes and Superbikes and 250 two strokes and such [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > heavier bikes, when you factor in riders of the same weight. Maybe it > doesn't end up mattering that much, though. It does if one rider weighs 120 and another weighs 220. But again, that's going to be true in almost any sort of motorcycle racing. (Rossi isn't exactly the Charles Atlas type.) > >> Seems reasonable to me anyway. Buells would be free to compete against > >> Busa's and itsy bitsy bikes and Superbikes and 250 two strokes and such [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > going to be true in almost any sort of motorcycle racing. (Rossi isn't > exactly the Charles Atlas type.) In go-kart racing they use the combined weight of the driver and kart. Just a thought. Bruce >> http://www.roadracingworld.com/news/article/?article=28562 >> [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > up > being different again. Weigh the entire package. > http://www.roadracingworld.com/news/article/?article=28562 > > Seems reasonable to me anyway. Buells would be free to compete against > Busa's and itsy bitsy bikes and Superbikes and 250 two strokes and such > without all the usual gyrations required to pretend to make things equal. You mean like the current ASRA and CCS thunderbike classes? Which are power to weight ratio classes, and as far as i can tell, the same thing as the Canadian Thunder classes. >> http://www.roadracingworld.com/news/article/?article=28562 >> [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > power to weight ratio classes, and as far as i can tell, the same thing as > the Canadian Thunder classes. I didn't notice any detuned 600cc sportbikes or R1's running against the Buells, which under the Canadian rules is perfectly reasonable. So you are saying they were there, and finished so poorly that they got whupped by sv650's as well? >>> http://www.roadracingworld.com/news/article/?article=28562 >>> [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > So you are saying they were there, and finished so poorly that they got > whupped by sv650's as well? Yeah, and you wont see any 600 4 cyl bikes in the "Thunder twins class" in Canada as well. Did you MISS the "twins" part? It's going to be made up of BMWs, Buells, SVs, Ducatis, and the a Bimota here and there. *JUST* like the ASRA and CCS Thunderbike classes. >> I didn't notice any detuned 600cc sportbikes or R1's running against the >> Buells, which under the Canadian rules is perfectly reasonable. [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > Yeah, and you wont see any 600 4 cyl bikes in the "Thunder twins class" in > Canada as well. Did you MISS the "twins" part? Who cares? Make the power to weight ratio equal and I wouldn't care if you ran 6 cylinders or 1. Pick your own poison. > It's going to be made up of BMWs, Buells, SVs, Ducatis, and the a Bimota > here and there. > > *JUST* like the ASRA and CCS Thunderbike classes. So whats wrong with opening up the idea to not just be limited to vtwins only? > >> I didn't notice any detuned 600cc sportbikes or R1's running against the > >> Buells, which under the Canadian rules is perfectly reasonable. [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] > So whats wrong with opening up the idea to not just be limited to vtwins > only? I believe the thinking is that there are plenty of classes that the 600s and 1000cc fours already qualify for, and that there is a certain segment of the viewing public who prefer to watch twins race, and therefore those classes are limited to twins. I guarantee you that if the grids didn't fill and/or the spectators demanded otherwise, the multis would assuredly be permitted to enter. >>>> I didn't notice any detuned 600cc sportbikes or R1's running against the >>>> Buells, which under the Canadian rules is perfectly reasonable. [quoted text clipped - 17 lines] > the grids didn't fill and/or the spectators demanded otherwise, the > multis would assuredly be permitted to enter. Do you guys have BEAR's (British, European and American Racing) classes? I really enjoy watching this class as it has all sorts in it, old and new.....and the sound of twins racing beats the scream of high revving multi's by far. And the people are borderline 1%'ers and associates who know how to party afterwards. > tomor...@erols.com wrote: > >>>> I didn't notice any detuned 600cc sportbikes or R1's running against the [quoted text clipped - 20 lines] > > Do you guys have BEAR's (British, European and American Racing) classes? We used to. We don't any more. >> So whats wrong with opening up the idea to not just be limited to vtwins >> only? [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > the grids didn't fill and/or the spectators demanded otherwise, the > multis would assuredly be permitted to enter. Well, I was approaching this from more of the "gee whats really fair" type angle for everything. I didn't consider that twins guys want to really see twins going at it without throwing other configurations into the mix, because they might get confused, because they are fans of only their favorite breed, etc etc. > >> So whats wrong with opening up the idea to not just be limited to vtwins > >> only? [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > Well, I was approaching this from more of the "gee whats really fair" type > angle for everything. Yeah, I understand that. > I didn't consider that twins guys want to really see > twins going at it without throwing other configurations into the mix, > because they might get confused, because they are fans of only their > favorite breed, etc etc. Personally, I don't think it's that complicated. I think fans of twins racing like the SOUND of twins. I don't give a sh.t if a 600cc Yamaha beats a 600cc Kawasaki, Honda, and/or Suzuki. I would love to see Ducati Superbikes mixing it up with RC51s and TL1000Rs and Aprilia RSVs, etc. Not because I don't like other brands, but because hearing that race would be like a mechanical symphony. >>>> So whats wrong with opening up the idea to not just be limited to vtwins >>>> only? [quoted text clipped - 24 lines] > brands, but because hearing that race would be like a mechanical > symphony. ....standing ovation....encore..... >>>>> So whats wrong with opening up the idea to not just be limited to >>>>> vtwins [quoted text clipped - 28 lines] > > ....standing ovation....encore..... Ditto! SignatureHeaven is where the police are British, the chefs Italian, the mechanics German, the lovers French and it is all organized by the Swiss. Hell is where the police are German, the chefs British, the mechanics French, the lovers Swiss and it is all organized by Italians. http://new.photos.yahoo.com/paul1cart/albums/ > >> I would love to see Ducati Superbikes mixing it up with RC51s and > >> TL1000Rs and Aprilia RSVs, etc. Not because I don't like other [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > Ditto! HWT, Thunderbike, etc. in any of a number of club racing orgs. SignatureTweak > I don't give a sh.t if a 600cc Yamaha beats a 600cc Kawasaki, Honda, > and/or Suzuki. [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > brands, but because hearing that race would be like a mechanical > symphony. Lets not forget that outstanding racing champion against sv650's, the Buell!! Wouldn't be fair not to include them in a noise contest, now would it? How about this then, a singles class with 1 power/weight ratio number, a twins class with another, a triples or I4's class for the upper echelon, state of the art, top flight class? Or, if you prefer the twins, how about THEY get top billing and the best power to weight number, and the triples and I4's can be relegated to support class? I really don't care, but it would be nice if the megabuck factories could have their $$ power diminished somewhat, they'll still buy the best talent no matter what, so they'll still win no matter what, but it would give up and comers a chance to get noticed, if they could afford near parity on the machine itself. Think...Barney back at Daytona a year or two ago. How about just a diplacement limit, and the rest determined by power/weight ratio. Something like motoGP, except that it would reflect the sales floor? >> I don't give a sh.t if a 600cc Yamaha beats a 600cc Kawasaki, Honda, >> and/or Suzuki. [quoted text clipped - 19 lines] > and comers a chance to get noticed, if they could afford near parity on > the machine itself. Think...Barney back at Daytona a year or two ago. > http://www.roadracingworld.com/news/article/?article=28562 > > Seems reasonable to me anyway. Buells would be free to compete against > Busa's and itsy bitsy bikes and Superbikes and 250 two strokes and such > without all the usual gyrations required to pretend to make things equal. And I could've raced my EX500 Superbike .... at 233 pounds! H'mmmmm..... |
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